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2012-10-11 10:47:03 AM  

stonicus: $10/hr on a 40 hour work week gets you $20,800/year before taxes. Below the poverty line.


WalMart doesn't give 40 hour weeks. It's less expensive to hire a billion part timers.
 
2012-10-11 10:47:09 AM  

Weaver95: wow. I don't know what's more shocking - that walmart workers are growing a spine or that walmart hasn't fired them all and hired new people.


They're gonna run out of new people to fire.

/I don't do black friday.
//My sleepy time is worth more than any deal that requires me to be up at 5am.
 
2012-10-11 10:48:56 AM  

sodomizer: Unions destroy everything they touch.

They create a threat of economic terrorism to the companies who employ these workers, and pay them well given their abilities.

In the end, what happens is that costs go up to the consumer, competitiveness goes down, organized crime and corruption come in, and while the union workers are overpaid, they're no longer in a growth industry.

As a result only incompetents remain.

Look at what unions did to American automakers.


You sound privileged.
 
2012-10-11 10:49:48 AM  

mortimer_ford: AverageAmericanGuy: AverageAmericanGuy: I wish these groups would use acronyms that spelled easily remembered words.

For example:
United Food and Commercial Workers' Making Change At Walmart
UFCWMCAW?

That's meaningless..

You can always incorporate secondary letters.

UnFoaCoWMaCaW

There. Unfoa-Cow-Macaw It's f*cking easy, people.


Federation of America Industrial Labor, Merchandise, Agricultural and Retail Tradespeople.
 
2012-10-11 10:50:01 AM  

sodomizer: Valiente: Ironically, perhaps, a lot easier to replace than actual slaves, who were always in short supply and cost a lot more per capita than minimum wage.

With actual slaves, you're responsible for their welfare.

With wage slaves, you just wait for people who are not bright and/or make bad decisions to come along. They are unskilled, so you pay them a reasonable rate, and then it's not your concern what happens to them. If they blow it on drugs and end up dead on the street, just "lol" and that's their personal choice.

From what I've seen of Wal-mart workers, very few actually do much of anything. It's an easy job.


Uh no. They aren't paid a "reasonable rate", they are paid the absolute minimum that Wal-Mart can get away with paying them. It's minimum wage, or slightly above it if labor costs in the area are higher.

I've worked low-wage jobs before, not for a lack of determination, education and drive, but for a lack of actual jobs out there when the economy is/has been crap. What I've learned is just how abused the workers in America are. They are treated like modern-day slaves, and underpaid and overworked, and told if they don't like it and want to change things then they are lazy, entitled evil socialists engaging in "class warfare". The rich use the media to send a steady stream of propaganda to keep the proles docile, but it doesn't work all the time.

Try to support yourself on a Wal-Mart wage without needing welfare programs, I dare you. Maybe you can do it if you live in a dive, eat lousy food, are healthy enough to not need medical care, and live in a place with good public transportation or somehow live close enough that you can walk to work.

If you've got some kind of medical condition requiring treatment, food allergies needing a special diet to stay alive or be healthy, have any pride whatsoever in where and how you live or dress, or need a car for anything you'll find that minimum wage is starvation wages.
 
2012-10-11 10:50:17 AM  

sodomizer: When they make a good point, just call them names. - Al Capone


Every nickel is a coin, but not every coin is a nickel. - Confucius
 
2012-10-11 10:50:35 AM  

Silverstaff: Wal-Mart is famous for opposing unions. They are known to close down stores or cancel opening ones at any serious talk of unionization.

Expect Mal-Wart to take this seriously. They employ more of the weak, poor and downtrodden in the US than any other company, and they are very effective at keeping them that way.

I recall reading that Wal-Mart makes so much profit, that they could afford to pay every worker there at least $10/hour and it would only raise the average cost of a shopping trip there by $0.50. It would be only pennies to the item to pay a living wage to their workers.

They don't want workers making living wages, they want maximum profits at any cost. The typical Wal-Mart has employees at it receiving $450,000 in food stamps every year. They underpay their employees, then pass along the cost of their workers being able to afford food and basic cost of living to taxpayers in the form of social welfare programs. But since it doesn't show up on the sales receipt, they don't care.


So what you are saying is... we could SAVE the taxpayers money and cut social program costs by paying people a living wage?

/Hmmmmm...
 
2012-10-11 10:50:37 AM  

Marcintosh: You sound privileged.


Privileged, adj.. Descriptive term for anyone winning an argument with a leftist. (See also racist, classist, sexist, and homophobe.)
 
2012-10-11 10:50:38 AM  
Oh no, we wont be able to celebrate the day after being thankful for our friends, family, and what scant goods we have with an orgy of materialistic gluttony... heaven forbid. What retailers do to their employees for black friday is just sick. This new trend of opening right at midnight just totally farks thanksgiving for millions of poor people who are already having a hard time finding a good day... all so some shareholders can buy a new teak table for the boat.
 
2012-10-11 10:50:41 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Yeah I mean it was the auto workers unions that forced planned obsolescence on management, that caused them to ignore the Japanese threat, to lower quality year after year, to continue to manufacture big inefficient cars and trucks when the price of gas was sky rocketing. Oh wait, no it was not.


While packing gigantic golden parachutes. I'm no big fan of unions but management has done more to destroy domestic manufacturing in blind pursuit of profit (especially personal) than any unions.

But you can't enlighten the unconscious. They won't rest until the country is gutted and we're all working for next to nothing. In the meantime they'll keep us fighting amongst ourselves because we're lemmings.
 
TWX
2012-10-11 10:52:18 AM  

sodomizer: Look at what unions did to American automakers.


You mean, like insisting on taking a fad and turning it into the bulk of vehicles manufactured, and choosing a platform that was fuel economy exempt so that there was reduced development into more fuel efficient powertrains, and fighting against adding fuel economy standards to those vehicle classes, and converting production to where the bulk of plants couldn't produce fuel efficient vehicles when the demand for them sharply rose and the buying public didn't want the inefficient truck-based vehicles in such quantities anymore, and then finding retail sales dropping due to lack of good efficient models on dealer lots, and then declaring bankruptcy?

Yeah, the unions did that to American automakers...
 
2012-10-11 10:53:40 AM  
David Tovar, Walmart VP of communications, countered the protesters' claims in an interview with The Huffington Post. "These strikes are an attempt by the unions to further their own political and financial agendas,"

Well there you have it.

Walmart would never do anything to further their own political and financial agendas, only those petty employees would do such a thing.
 
2012-10-11 10:53:45 AM  

Weaver95: Walker: Easily replaceable.

you reach a point of diminishing returns though. if you end up firing and replacing your entire staff once every six months then you've officially spent more money hiring, training and replacing workers than you did if you had just given them what they wanted in the first place. do you want to make money or do you want to crush union activity? if the goal is making money, then in the long term it pays off to treat your workers better. if you want to crush unions then get used to a complete turnover every 6 months, or until you completely exhaust the local labor pool and start shutting down stores.


They aren't going anywhere. Walmart workers have no guts, goals, or hope. Why do you think they work at Walmart? People who work there have given up on life and are soul less drones. This applies to most retail workers actually. I should know, I was one for 14 years. It's only by pure chance I was able to get out. You really think they are gonna quit right at the start of the Christmas season? Sorry kids, Christmas is cancelled. Mommy wanted to teach the big ol Walmart a lesson. That'll learn them. Now pass the dirt soup, mommy's hungry.
 
2012-10-11 10:55:22 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: AverageAmericanGuy: I wish these groups would use acronyms that spelled easily remembered words.

For example:
United Food and Commercial Workers' Making Change At Walmart
UFCWMCAW?

That's meaningless..


UFC. What? MaCAW!!!

Easy peasy.
 
2012-10-11 10:55:43 AM  
FTA: "David Tovar, Walmart VP of communications, countered the protesters' claims in an interview with The Huffington Post. "These strikes are an attempt by the unions to further their own political and financial agendas," he said, noting that the majority of Walmart's 1.4 million workers are pleased with their jobs. Tovar wouldn't comment on the possibility of Black Friday strikes.

"More than half of Walmart's one million hourly store associates have an hourly wage at least $10.00 or higher," he said.


What I just learned - almost half of Walmart's workers make less than $10 per hour. If you assume a 40 hour work week (and probably most of them don't get that many hours) at $9 per hour, that's a gross wage of about $18K per year. And then you have to take out taxes. A 30 hour work week, which is more likely, is about $14K per year. There's no way you could live on that and raise a family. Those are poverty wages.

"an attempt by the unions to further their own political and financial agendas"
You think so, ass? What would you call the BS that Walmart pulls every single day? Would perhaps the political and economic maneuvering that one of the world's largest employers engages in be classified as "an attempt to... further [Walmart's] political and financial agenda"? Why do you get to do it and the workers don't?
 
2012-10-11 10:55:59 AM  
black friday hasn't been replaced by an app yet?
 
2012-10-11 10:56:29 AM  

Weaver95: Walker: Easily replaceable.

you reach a point of diminishing returns though. if you end up firing and replacing your entire staff once every six months then you've officially spent more money hiring, training and replacing workers than you did if you had just given them what they wanted in the first place. do you want to make money or do you want to crush union activity? if the goal is making money, then in the long term it pays off to treat your workers better. if you want to crush unions then get used to a complete turnover every 6 months, or until you completely exhaust the local labor pool and start shutting down stores.


Really? I think Walmart knows how to be profitable over the long term. It doesn't involve being generous to employers, apparently.

I agree that these workers are easily replaceable, but they have every right to not work (strike) if they want. Honestly, good luck to them.
 
2012-10-11 10:56:41 AM  

Silverstaff: They aren't paid a "reasonable rate", they are paid the absolute minimum that Wal-Mart can get away with paying them. It's minimum wage, or slightly above it if labor costs in the area are higher.


That's the nature of the economy, and that's exactly what other employers are paying them. If those employers were paying more, they wouldn't be at Wal-mart.

The people I see in Wal-mart aren't suffering. They may not be getting paid much, but they aren't doing much, either. It's a trade-off.

If we tried to pay everyone the same wage, we'd all be earning $12 an hour. Unions effect this kind of wealth redistribution, which results in more costs to employers, thus the jobs get shiattier and the management above is downgraded from "good" to "whoever will put up with this shiat."

That's in effect what shattered Detroit. When you can't win anyway because your labor costs are too high and labor uncertainty destroys any grand plans, you shift to option B, which is milk short-term cash out of the unstable situation.

Everyone loses. Except the union, and its new Mafia (or other organized crime equivalent) overlords.
 
2012-10-11 10:57:08 AM  
I think the thing that bothered me the most about Wal-Mart was how they forced all these people with terrible health problems (which they couldn't get treated because Wal-Mart's health plan is awful) to do jobs that actively aggravated/worsened their condition. Mostly back conditions probably caused by working for goddamn Wal-Mart for 20 years. If you asked to be transferred to an area where you didn't have to pick up 50lb crates all day every day they'd just slash your hours until you went (literally) crawling back for more suffering. You'd think they'd transfer the older people to check-out, layaway, whatever, but no, you've got teenagers on the registers and 60-year-old women hauling stock.

And then there was the woman in deli who fell IN WAL-MART'S ENTRYWAY and broke her arm and they made her come back the next day, still working deli (which is pretty much next-to-impossible to do with one arm), because they told her if she took another day off they'd terminate her.

...burn them to the ground. All of them.
 
2012-10-11 10:58:45 AM  
"Let us form a union so we can bully everyone who works here in to joining. We can then collect union dues and funnel that money to Democrats. Consequences to the store be damned."
 
2012-10-11 10:59:58 AM  

Walker: Walmart workers have no guts, goals, or hope. Why do you think they work at Walmart? People who work there have given up on life and are soul less drones.


For people in rural areas, it's a great starter job that they can list on a resume showing basic skills and responsibility. For the elderly and housewives, it's a great part-time job. For many impoverished people, it's a great way to have entry-level work that requires no skills and thus is easy to get better at and rise.

I've known people who've done all of the above. It's not even hard work: it just requires taking it seriously, day after day.

The average Wal-mart employee here doesn't do much of anything. There's a lot of wandering around, sometimes stoned (I don't object to this at all if it doesn't impede function, which in many cases it does not), and relatively little oversight.

Should I give a shiat that these people aren't paid more than they're worth?
 
2012-10-11 11:00:01 AM  

Weaver95: Walker: Easily replaceable.

you reach a point of diminishing returns though. if you end up firing and replacing your entire staff once every six months then you've officially spent more money hiring, training and replacing workers than you did if you had just given them what they wanted in the first place. do you want to make money or do you want to crush union activity? if the goal is making money, then in the long term it pays off to treat your workers better. if you want to crush unions then get used to a complete turnover every 6 months, or until you completely exhaust the local labor pool and start shutting down stores.


You assume it is going to happen once every six months and at every store.

They get crushed at one place and it discourages peopel from trying again.

/not that I agreee with wal-mart practices
//if I won the lottery Ithink Iwould start working there just to keep track of abuses and sue the shiat out of them.
 
2012-10-11 11:00:14 AM  
BLACK Friday?!?

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2012-10-11 11:02:05 AM  

TaterTot_HotDish: FTA: "David Tovar, Walmart VP of communications, countered the protesters' claims in an interview with The Huffington Post. "These strikes are an attempt by the unions to further their own political and financial agendas," he said, noting that the majority of Walmart's 1.4 million workers are pleased with their jobs. Tovar wouldn't comment on the possibility of Black Friday strikes.

"More than half of Walmart's one million hourly store associates have an hourly wage at least $10.00 or higher," he said.

What I just learned - almost half of Walmart's workers make less than $10 per hour. If you assume a 40 hour work week (and probably most of them don't get that many hours) at $9 per hour, that's a gross wage of about $18K per year. And then you have to take out taxes. A 30 hour work week, which is more likely, is about $14K per year. There's no way you could live on that and raise a family. Those are poverty wages.


And keep in mind every time Dems try to raise the minimum wage the Repugs oppose it. As quoted by their fearless leader Mittens: "I'm not worried about poor people". Yet lots of people in red states will vote for him. You can show a poor Republican person the reality that the party they support is working against them, but you can't make them see that reality. All they see is "Nobama is a socialist mooslim destroying our country!". You may be shocked to hear this, but there are a lot of idiots in this country.
 
2012-10-11 11:02:29 AM  
When will people that work for any company that deals with the public finally understand their job is not for the employer? It is for the consumer, client, customer, or whatever the fark you are instructed to identify the buyer. People using that for leverage should get the farking point that they have a choice to work for Wal-Mart or Best Buy or Target or....whatthefarkever...and that whomthefarkever has a choice to employ them.

Customer service died a long time ago. It's time someone took a stand and taught that shiat again.
 
2012-10-11 11:03:42 AM  

sodomizer: derrrpppppppp


Trolling used to mean something, back in my day. Now it's just pathetic.
 
2012-10-11 11:03:54 AM  
Man, if that happens, then they'll probably only be able to open 2 lanes out of 36 available, instead of the normal 4. It will be chaos.
 
2012-10-11 11:04:32 AM  

ghare: BronyMedic: Line the bolsheviks up against the wall and shoot them!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 466x305]

Is that the Ludlow Massacre or maybe the Matewan Massacre or maybe the Lattimer massacre? Which time American companies murdered union workers (using local law enforcement) is it?


That would be an execution of resistance fighters in the Soviet Union by the Nazis during World War II.
 
2012-10-11 11:07:55 AM  

sodomizer: The people I see in Wal-mart aren't suffering. They may not be getting paid much, but they aren't doing much, either. It's a trade-off.

If we tried to pay everyone the same wage, we'd all be earning $12 an hour. Unions effect this kind of wealth redistribution, which results in more costs to employers, thus the jobs get shiattier and the management above is downgraded from "good" to "whoever will put up with this shiat."

That's in effect what shattered Detroit. When you can't win anyway because your labor costs are too high and labor uncertainty destroys any grand plans, you shift to option B, which is milk short-term cash out of the unstable situation.


You know jack and shiat about people who work at Wal-Mart. Ever worked there? Ever had a lot of friends who worked there? Ever see them have to worry about which bill to pay this month: electricity or water? Ever see them have to sell their car to pay for dental work?

Myopic greed of the "Big 3" shattered Detroit. They took the fad of the SUV, and the fact that as a "truck" it was exempt from fuel standards (and thus cheaper to engineer) and geared their entire industry towards making them and pushing them. When fuel prices skyrocketed in '08 under Bush Jr., suddenly those Escalades and H2's weren't so hot and sales plummeted. Then they had to go hat-in-hand to Washington for a bailout.

Yeah, unions forced them to make fuel inefficient vehicles, unions forced them to not think long-term in planning, unions forced them to try to dictate to the market what vehicles would be sold instead of listening to the market.

It was hardly the first time Detroit ran in to that problem. They hit the same crisis in the early 70's. They avoided bankruptcy, but they had the same problem of blithely producing inefficient vehicles and being blindsided by an increase in fuel prices. A company that was wisely managed might realize that gas prices will go up, and are subject to sudden spikes, so they should make fuel-efficient vehicles and be able to switch to highly efficient designs rapidly. They should have learned that lesson 40 years ago.

Instead they acted like it couldn't happen again, or more specifically if it did they wouldn't be affected because of generous "golden parachute" severance clauses and hand-over-fist bonuses that let them have enough money that even if the whole company crashed they'd be set for life.

No, it wasn't unions. Unions were the scapegoat set up by the rich executives to cover for their own greed and poor judgment.
 
2012-10-11 11:08:04 AM  

Weaver95: Walker: Easily replaceable.

you reach a point of diminishing returns though. if you end up firing and replacing your entire staff once every six months then you've officially spent more money hiring, training and replacing workers than you did if you had just given them what they wanted in the first place. do you want to make money or do you want to crush union activity? if the goal is making money, then in the long term it pays off to treat your workers better. if you want to crush unions then get used to a complete turnover every 6 months, or until you completely exhaust the local labor pool and start shutting down stores.


==============

^This^

Henry Ford discovered this 90 years ago. Ford was the first industrial employer to pay his workers a wage of $5 per day....the going rate at the time was $1 per day. Fomoco also provided free medical clinics for its workers and their families. The other industrialists attacked Crazy Henry for being an idiot at best or a crypto-Bolshevik at worst. Bottom line: Ford's profits increased as the price of his cars came down.

BTW, Ford Motor Company is the last surviving American auto company that has never been forced into bankruptcy.

Detroit during Henry's time:

mw2.google.com

Detroit today:

civiliansnews.com
 
2012-10-11 11:08:15 AM  
We had several merce- err, contracting firms in Iraq that are well seasoned to be Neo-Pinkertons.

And if you think something like that can't happen again, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2012-10-11 11:08:45 AM  

Walker: And keep in mind every time Dems try to raise the minimum wage the Repugs oppose it.


Absolutely we oppose it. Raising the minimum wage will not fix the problems you speak of, and in fact will impoverish more people by lowering the rate at which they are hired and/or causing companies to hire more of them part time.

Democrats don't get it: "squeeze money from the rich" is an illusion (the "rich" aren't a uniform group) that causes people to take from productive sectors of the economy and transfer it to unproductive sectors. The result is devaluation of currency and loss of future prospects.

Raising the minimum wage is a bad idea not because it's emotionally bad, but because it doesn't work. It will not achieve its goals and will make a huge mess in the process.
 
2012-10-11 11:08:55 AM  

Walker: TaterTot_HotDish: FTA: "David Tovar, Walmart VP of communications, countered the protesters' claims in an interview with The Huffington Post. "These strikes are an attempt by the unions to further their own political and financial agendas," he said, noting that the majority of Walmart's 1.4 million workers are pleased with their jobs. Tovar wouldn't comment on the possibility of Black Friday strikes.

"More than half of Walmart's one million hourly store associates have an hourly wage at least $10.00 or higher," he said.

What I just learned - almost half of Walmart's workers make less than $10 per hour. If you assume a 40 hour work week (and probably most of them don't get that many hours) at $9 per hour, that's a gross wage of about $18K per year. And then you have to take out taxes. A 30 hour work week, which is more likely, is about $14K per year. There's no way you could live on that and raise a family. Those are poverty wages.

And keep in mind every time Dems try to raise the minimum wage the Repugs oppose it. As quoted by their fearless leader Mittens: "I'm not worried about poor people". Yet lots of people in red states will vote for him. You can show a poor Republican person the reality that the party they support is working against them, but you can't make them see that reality. All they see is "Nobama is a socialist mooslim destroying our country!". You may be shocked to hear this, but there are a lot of idiots in this country.


Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do...

Just because people are uneducated or even downright stupid doesn't mean that we shouldn't have compassion for them. I mean, if you want to live in a nice society... which sometimes when it comes to conservatives, I really doubt.
 
2012-10-11 11:09:07 AM  
1. Thousands of people will line up for jobs

2. Hundreds of thousands of union-busting shoppers will go out of their way to shop at Walmart that day.

3. Walmart will have a "BUSTING PRICES!!!" sale that day.

Unions need to understand that these days, you do something quick and by surprise or you get killed.
 
2012-10-11 11:10:37 AM  

sodomizer: If we tried to pay everyone the same wage, we'd all be earning $12 an hour. Unions effect this kind of wealth redistribution, which results in more costs to employers, thus the jobs get shiattier and the management above is downgraded from "good" to "whoever will put up with this shiat."

That's in effect what shattered Detroit. When you can't win anyway because your labor costs are too high and labor uncertainty destroys any grand plans, you shift to option B, which is milk short-term cash out of the unstable situation.

Everyone loses. Except the union, and its new Mafia (or other organized crime equivalent) overlords.


If unions are too strong, they can price the businesses out. This more or less never actually happens. If unions are too weak, you end up with armed thugs breaking up strikes and Upton Sinclair novels. No one wants that. It's a continuum. We've veered away from strong organized labor towards worker exploitation over the last 40 years or so, and as a result 5% of the people control a majority of the wealth in the country. Those 5% mostly think that's the way that it should be, but majority opinion is starting to shift.
 
2012-10-11 11:11:24 AM  

Silverstaff: You know jack and shiat about people who work at Wal-Mart. Ever worked there?


You're claiming to know me and my experience. What's my second child's middle name?
 
2012-10-11 11:11:39 AM  

sodomizer: Raising the minimum wage is a bad idea not because it's emotionally bad, but because it doesn't work.


Well, except that it just keeps working. All the nightmare scenarios that over-rich capitalists spout about increasing minimum wage never ever come to pass.
 
2012-10-11 11:11:51 AM  
"In fact, in many metropolitan areas in which we operate, our entry level start rates regularly exceeds that of new hires for comparable positions under the UFCW contracts."

How about the benefits? Health insurance? Sick days? Vacation?
 
2012-10-11 11:12:57 AM  

you have pee hands: If unions are too strong, they can price the businesses out.


Business found a better option: shift the labor offshore.

Wait until robotics gets more advanced.

The answer isn't unions. It has never been a workable approach. it isn't socialism either. We need to find a better solution, which in my view involves letting market forces work for us.
 
2012-10-11 11:14:07 AM  

sodomizer: Raising the minimum wage is a bad idea not because it's emotionally bad, but because it doesn't work. It will not achieve its goals and will make a huge mess in the process.


It's goal is to make sure people can make a living wage. It only fails that because people refuse to raise it to the point to where you can actually make a living on it.
 
2012-10-11 11:14:26 AM  

Weaver95: Walker: Easily replaceable.

you reach a point of diminishing returns though. if you end up firing and replacing your entire staff once every six months then you've officially spent more money hiring, training and replacing workers than you did if you had just given them what they wanted in the first place. do you want to make money or do you want to crush union activity? if the goal is making money, then in the long term it pays off to treat your workers better. if you want to crush unions then get used to a complete turnover every 6 months, or until you completely exhaust the local labor pool and start shutting down stores.


Walmart hates unions more than they love money.

And if a few dozen stores around the country end up closing as a result, Fox News will simply blame the unions, since they also hate unions more than they love money.
 
2012-10-11 11:15:22 AM  
I honestly don't care much about unions one way or the other, but any opportunity to attack giant corporations AND disgusting, shameless materialism in one go is awesome in my book.
 
2012-10-11 11:15:30 AM  
And the Walmart stooge immediately blames the evil unions.
 
2012-10-11 11:15:50 AM  

jj325: "In fact, in many metropolitan areas in which we operate, our entry level start rates regularly exceeds that of new hires for comparable positions under the UFCW contracts."

How about the benefits? Health insurance? Sick days? Vacation?


Also, pay scale. You may start higher, but if you have no opportunity to get a raise...
 
2012-10-11 11:16:29 AM  
Considering Walmart actively encourages new hires to apply for government benefits in the form of state-provided Medicaid in lieu of Walmart's ludicrously expensive and difficult-to-obtain private insurance, don't I, as a "shareholder," get a say?
 
2012-10-11 11:16:49 AM  

sodomizer: The answer isn't unions. It has never been a workable approach.


This would come as a massive surprise to Germans, along with most civilized societies.

Basically if you're anti-union, you're anti-free speech.
 
2012-10-11 11:17:04 AM  

sodomizer: you have pee hands: If unions are too strong, they can price the businesses out.

Business found a better option: shift the labor offshore.

Wait until robotics gets more advanced.

The answer isn't unions. It has never been a workable approach. it isn't socialism either. We need to find a better solution, which in my view involves letting market forces work for us.


Sure. While we're there, can we abolish all labor laws, and get paid in currency that we can only spend at the company store? Because that's what was happening before unions were formed.
 
2012-10-11 11:17:09 AM  

RedPhoenix122: It's goal is to make sure people can make a living wage.


I know what the goal is. The method doesn't achieve that goal.
 
2012-10-11 11:18:24 AM  

sodomizer: RedPhoenix122: It's goal is to make sure people can make a living wage.

I know what the goal is. The method doesn't achieve that goal.


It would if we'd stop paying CEO's millions while paying employees pennies.
 
2012-10-11 11:18:59 AM  

sodomizer: Walker: And keep in mind every time Dems try to raise the minimum wage the Repugs oppose it.

Absolutely we oppose it. Raising the minimum wage will not fix the problems you speak of, and in fact will impoverish more people by lowering the rate at which they are hired and/or causing companies to hire more of them part time.


Raising min wage will have no effect on number of part vs full time employees.

I would like to see your figures for lowering the number of peopel hired. Not many places like walmart have peopel sitting around they could get rid of.


Democrats don't get it: "squeeze money from the rich" is an illusion (the "rich" aren't a uniform group) that causes people to take from productive sectors of the economy and transfer it to unproductive sectors. The result is devaluation of currency and loss of future prospects.

Somebody working 40 hours a week isn't an "unproductive" member of society.


Raising the minimum wage is a bad idea not because it's emotionally bad, but because it doesn't work. It will not achieve its goals and will make a huge mess in the process.

I think it should be linked to congressional pay.
 
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