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(The Daily Beast)   "Sonny, back in grandpa's day, our computers sat on our desks and we liked them that way." "Wow, grandpa, you really HAVE seen lots of changes in your lifetime"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 65
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-11 01:09:26 PM
In grandpa's day our secretaries sat on our desks. And WE LIKED IT. Because miniskirts.
 
2012-10-11 03:19:40 PM
Here we go again....
 
2012-10-11 03:19:57 PM
Uh, maybe it's because the lifecycle on PCs is pretty long these days.
 
2012-10-11 03:21:10 PM
Could it be that upgrading computers really doesn't improve performance unless you play games? I think for most office work and web browsing anything that is dual core is more than enough power.
 
2012-10-11 03:21:11 PM
Who uses a (home) PC for anythign other than media storage and a place to back up your smart phone? I can't remember the last time I surfed the net at home or did anyting constructive on my home PC.
 
2012-10-11 03:21:12 PM
Sometimes those computers sat under our desks.
 
2012-10-11 03:24:37 PM
In my Grandfathers day...the automobile was a rare site, still used gas lamps in the house, hunted small animals with a stick...born 1915...currently 97 1/2 and still going strong!
 
2012-10-11 03:26:32 PM
I haven't had a desktop in quite some time. With laptops being portable and having the power to play the same games as PCs, it's much easier to have a laptop for gaming in a LAN session.

CSB:

went to a friend's place and did a LAN session of Minecraft because...why the hell not? Well actually, found out why the hell not. After an all night creative mode session, we had a pretty nice farking minecart highway that wasn't really that long and not much else. Looking into taking the spare parts in my spare room and building a Minecraft server. A private one just for me and a couple of friends.
 
2012-10-11 03:26:58 PM

stuhayes2010: Who uses a (home) PC for anythign other than media storage and a place to back up your smart phone? I can't remember the last time I surfed the net at home or did anyting constructive on my home PC.


People who like real games and responding to obvious trolls being obvious
 
2012-10-11 03:27:29 PM
FTA: "Microsoft is unveiling Windows 8 along with fancy new gadgets later this month, which they hope will revive struggling sales."

Ha!
 
2012-10-11 03:29:58 PM

kibbled: Could it be that upgrading computers really doesn't improve performance unless you play games? I think for most office work and web browsing anything that is dual core is more than enough power.


True for gaming, and also 3D CAD programs.
 
2012-10-11 03:31:00 PM

IrateShadow: Uh, maybe it's because the lifecycle on PCs is pretty long these days.


3-5 year lifespans, a weak economy and a semi saturated market probably don't help
 
2012-10-11 03:32:25 PM

cgraves67: True for gaming, and also 3D CAD programs.


I shiver if I think about using a tablet for CAD work.....

I need a mouse. For precision clicking and movement within the 3D space. I even hate using a space ball.
 
2012-10-11 03:32:32 PM
In my day you got to work early so he big computer that was located on a dedicated floor with water cooling wasn't over loaded. The you wrote some code in FORTRAN IV which was the fashion at the time and you'd say things like "File Up the mainframe is going down." And those punky kids with a PDP-11 would just make jokes that no one got
 
2012-10-11 03:33:01 PM
Show me a laptop that can render in Revit. Go ahead. I'll wait 5 years.
 
2012-10-11 03:33:23 PM

Rezurok: stuhayes2010: Who uses a (home) PC for anythign other than media storage and a place to back up your smart phone? I can't remember the last time I surfed the net at home or did anyting constructive on my home PC.

People who like real games and responding to obvious trolls being obvious


My wife surfs the web on her smart phone. Me, I have a smart phone, iPad and a laptop. Each have their purposes, can mildly over lap, but I can't replace my laptop with a smart phone or an iPad. The iPad is incredibly light weight and perfect for watching movies in bed and for work purposes. The smart phone's web connection is great for when I'm out somewhere and don't have the laptop or iPad with me. And when doing a lot of writing or typing, I need a real keyboard.
 
2012-10-11 03:35:24 PM

cgraves67: kibbled: Could it be that upgrading computers really doesn't improve performance unless you play games? I think for most office work and web browsing anything that is dual core is more than enough power.

True for gaming, and also 3D CAD programs.


And programming/board layout. And viewing multiple data sheets simultaneously. And editors, etc... all of which are completely impractical on a tablet, and barely practical on a laptop. You can take my dual 30" Dell monitors from my cold, dead, hands.
 
2012-10-11 03:35:28 PM

Burr: cgraves67: True for gaming, and also 3D CAD programs.

I shiver if I think about using a tablet for CAD work.....

I need a mouse. For precision clicking and movement within the 3D space. I even hate using a space ball.


but the cloud man, the cloud, it'll make it shiny and wonderful
 
2012-10-11 03:36:58 PM
With some basic know-how there is no need to ever buy a new PC. Just upgrade the components as needed.

That is an overlooked bonus of the tower desktop PC...with a small parts investment every now and then you can always have an up to date machine. With so many decent online venders, those components are easy to come by.

I think we've reached a point where the software can't push the limits of the hardware anymore.

I am still more comfortable at a desk with full sized free keyboard and mouse, and large monitor.

/no onion yet
 
2012-10-11 03:38:48 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Show me a laptop that can render in Revit. Go ahead. I'll wait 5 years.


I would be happy with Tony Stark's CAD system in Iron Man.....until my arms fell off from doing it for 10 hours a day.
 
2012-10-11 03:39:58 PM

loonatic112358: Burr: cgraves67: True for gaming, and also 3D CAD programs.

I shiver if I think about using a tablet for CAD work.....

I need a mouse. For precision clicking and movement within the 3D space. I even hate using a space ball.

but the cloud man, the cloud, it'll make it shiny and wonderful


I remember the cloud when it was called PLM....
 
2012-10-11 03:43:10 PM

MilesTeg: With some basic know-how there is no need to ever buy a new PC. Just upgrade the components as needed.


Eh, that's not entirely true. Once you get down to having to having to change out a motherboard because [new component] doesn't fit your old one, you're better off just starting over.
 
2012-10-11 03:45:23 PM
FTFA: "Fans of PCs are far and few between. The former tech giant is heading into a tailspin as consumers snap up tablets and buy less PCs amid sluggish economic conditions."

Hey guys, did you hear? There's this new tech giant out there called PCs!
 
kab
2012-10-11 03:46:40 PM
Oh, it's this thread again.

PC's aren't going anywhere. Now run along, and keep thinking that surfing Reddit and checking email on your tablet constitutes 'getting stuff done'.
 
2012-10-11 03:51:00 PM
For business productivity and gaming, nothing beats a PC.
 
2012-10-11 03:51:47 PM

stuhayes2010: Who uses a (home) PC for anythign other than media storage and a place to back up your smart phone? I can't remember the last time I surfed the net at home or did anyting constructive on my home PC.


Some people have home studios and/or digital video workstations that wouldn't work with a laptop/smartphone/ipad. If they can fit 16 cores of CPU's into a laptop with dual 24" screens, 4 TB of drive space, 5 USB ports, two firewire ports, dual ethernet and 32 GB of memory, I'm all in.
 
2012-10-11 03:52:17 PM
What's with the constant stream of articles railing against PC's? If they are less common, then so be it. Who cares? Are they trying to convince people not to use them? The tech industry knows the stats and certainly doesn't need Yahoo or CNN to tell them. Consumers will buy what they want, for whatever need they want. It's good to have choices. I just built a new PC last month for stock trading and some gaming. I also have a laptop and a smart phone. Whoptie f'in do. Maybe I am just tired from my afternoon slump, but these articles seem to be very pointless to me.
 
2012-10-11 03:52:23 PM

MilesTeg: I am still more comfortable at a desk with full sized free keyboard and mouse, and large monitor.


Absolutely, I have 2 23 inch monitors and I am much more productive than the old days, I couldn't imagine doing any heavy work on just a laptop it would drive me nuts.
 
2012-10-11 03:54:32 PM
most people just use facebook and twitter, so a PC isn't needed for those things anymore.

Just a smart phone.

posted from my 5-6 year old HP, I bought a great graphics card for playing wow about a year ago and stopped playing WoW, so i just use it for work.

My appraisal software doesn't require 8 gig's of ram, i could probably still use 512MB of ram with this software so it's just not as important anymore to upgrade a PC.

I've currently got 4 gig's of ram with a 2.67 GH quad core and 1 terabyte of storage, so i don't really see buying a new CPU for any reason other than i may want to build a new one for myself and give this one for a home office for my wife.

I think i bought my current CPU 5 years ago at least, it may be older
 
2012-10-11 03:57:03 PM

Tom_Slick: MilesTeg: I am still more comfortable at a desk with full sized free keyboard and mouse, and large monitor.

Absolutely, I have 2 23 inch monitors and I am much more productive than the old days, I couldn't imagine doing any heavy work on just a laptop it would drive me nuts.


I work from home, and have 2 23" monitors and a 19" mounted vertically on an arm. Desktop all the way - I am productive as a MOTHER up in this cocoon of technology.

That said, the average end user seems better suited to a laptop, really.
 
2012-10-11 04:06:35 PM
Just built myself a new PC 2 weeks ago for home gaming, storage and sometimes work. I can use it for anything.

The laptop and smartphone are only used when I don't have the PC. More specifically, because it's impractical to take the PC anywhere.

Power and Usability ------------------------------------- Portablity

PC ------- Laptop ---------------------- Tablet ------ Smartphone
 
2012-10-11 04:29:19 PM
hmmmmm...

images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-11 04:31:34 PM

neilbradley: And programming/board layout. And viewing multiple data sheets simultaneously. And editors, etc... all of which are completely impractical on a tablet, and barely practical on a laptop. You can take my dual 30" Dell monitors from my cold, dead, hands.


That's why you have a dock at work for your laptop that connects to two monitors...that way you can still bring your laptop/work with you when visiting customers or "working from home."

/My PC is my designated gaming station--everything else is on my work laptop
//Yes, I do PCB design and firmware development...
 
2012-10-11 04:32:53 PM
Marketing.

/IT Tech, Gamer 
//My tablet is great for reading Fark on my living room couch.
 
2012-10-11 04:35:50 PM
Isn't funny how, after protective cases, the most popular accessories for tablets seem to be keyboards?
 
2012-10-11 04:52:17 PM
kibbled: Could it be that upgrading computers really doesn't improve performance unless you play games?

Or draft things in a CAD program, or actually use photoshop, or render 3d, or edit sound, or edit video, or compile large programs, or multitask, or open a lot of browser windows for research, or stitch together huge panoramas, or fold proteins for a living, etc.

But yeah, for most office work, no need ... but there are plenty of folks out there that could use the extra power.

// I fall into several of the above categories

// research

lordargent.com
 
2012-10-11 04:58:11 PM

MilesTeg: With some basic know-how there is no need to ever buy a new PC. Just upgrade the components as needed.

That is an overlooked bonus of the tower desktop PC...with a small parts investment every now and then you can always have an up to date machine. With so many decent online venders, those components are easy to come by.

I think we've reached a point where the software can't push the limits of the hardware anymore.

I am still more comfortable at a desk with full sized free keyboard and mouse, and large monitor.

/no onion yet


Mostly this. I upgrade my PC when I can and use the smartphone when I am not at home. PC is for media and gaming, mostly.

I was also thinking a modular approach to smart phones would be pretty darn sweet too.
 
2012-10-11 05:01:31 PM

plcow: What's with the constant stream of articles railing against PC's? If they are less common, then so be it. Who cares?


Here's what this story is like: "Hey, you know, this is the post-oven age, because George Foreman grills are outselling ovens".

The fact is that around 91% of all browsing is on "PCs" (PC and Mac). That's down about 2% on where it was 12 months ago. And I'm not sure how much it will continue. Smartphones are the browser people use when they're out and about, and I'm not seeing many new iPad buyers (if anything, I see more sales to people buying the latest version).
 
2012-10-11 05:15:25 PM

Burr: Smeggy Smurf: Show me a laptop that can render in Revit. Go ahead. I'll wait 5 years.

I would be happy with Tony Stark's CAD system in Iron Man.....until my arms fell off from doing it for 10 hours a day.


Check out the Leap Motion. It could revolutionize the CAD/modelling industry, or it could be just another gimmick.

In any case - I've got one on pre-order. I don't do CAD, but I'm hoping it will be a good mouse enhancement. Basically just raising my index finger from the keyboard and pointing to stuff and a downward tap for a click, and making a pinch motion to move/resize windows.

As for the article, yeah the consumer PC market is pretty much dying. Most consumers don't need full desktops, or even laptops. Corporate and government markets aren't going anywhere though. Our medium government org replaces 400 of our 1600 Dells each year, and I know we're small potatoes.
 
2012-10-11 05:30:32 PM
So, to sum it up:

Things you use an actual PC.

1.- Actual videogames
2.- Responding trolls
3.- Programming
4.- Design/CAD programs
5.- Scientific research
6.-

/I left the 6 blank so it can go on
 
2012-10-11 05:39:25 PM

CygnusDarius: So, to sum it up:

Things you use an actual PC.

1.- Actual videogames
2.- Responding trolls
3.- Programming
4.- Design/CAD programs
5.- Scientific research
6.- VMs (for various reasons, such as software deployment testing)
7.-

/I left the 7 blank so it can go on


Added
 
2012-10-11 06:13:07 PM

the_sidewinder: 1.- Actual videogames
2.- Responding trolls
3.- Programming
4.- Design/CAD programs
5.- Scientific research
6.- VMs (for various reasons, such as software deployment testing)
7.- Because I want something that isn't redundant after 2 years
8...

 
2012-10-11 06:19:29 PM

plcow: What's with the constant stream of articles railing against PC's? If they are less common, then so be it. Who cares? Are they trying to convince people not to use them? The tech industry knows the stats and certainly doesn't need Yahoo or CNN to tell them. Consumers will buy what they want, for whatever need they want. It's good to have choices. I just built a new PC last month for stock trading and some gaming. I also have a laptop and a smart phone. Whoptie f'in do. Maybe I am just tired from my afternoon slump, but these articles seem to be very pointless to me.


"Investors" are pissed off that the PC market is mature and no longer growing 50% per year every year. So the PC is dead, you all really, really, really need to go buy tablets. And smartphones. New ones. Every year.

/Some of us actually create content
//This requires a usable data input scheme, aka keyboard and mouse
///Dual screens or huge screens help too
 
2012-10-11 06:20:15 PM
My desktop for everything, my phone for everything else.

My desktop runs two monitors on my desk for working, and the TV in front of my bed. Have wired keyboard and mouse at the desk and a wireless next to my bed so I can watch movies, browse, game in comfort etc.

Had a laptop, but it was too inconvenient to carry around when I can mash out an email or short document on my phone, and not powerful enough to replace my workhorse.

Also have a home theatre server in the lounge that browses, lightly games, stores all my media, does all my downloading, records HDTV, streams them both around the house to the X number of computers and plays it on the TV in there whilst consuming an idle of about 50W.

Desktop computers are definitely going nowhere for me, I like being able to build for an exact purpose and not have to go without (not enough connectivity).

It also doesn't help that manufacturers are only releasing stock standard models, what we need is Dell or HP or summint to get involved with producing specialist computers for tasks notebooks can't achieve or home servers that do everything, and not just store data.
 
2012-10-11 06:32:51 PM
I'm currently using a quad-core 8TB desktop as a home media server, and even it bogs down when transcoding while serving media files to everyone's tablets.

I'd like to get a 16-core machine next ...
 
2012-10-11 06:46:30 PM

erik-k: plcow: What's with the constant stream of articles railing against PC's? If they are less common, then so be it. Who cares? Are they trying to convince people not to use them? The tech industry knows the stats and certainly doesn't need Yahoo or CNN to tell them. Consumers will buy what they want, for whatever need they want. It's good to have choices. I just built a new PC last month for stock trading and some gaming. I also have a laptop and a smart phone. Whoptie f'in do. Maybe I am just tired from my afternoon slump, but these articles seem to be very pointless to me.

"Investors" are pissed off that the PC market is mature and no longer growing 50% per year every year. So the PC is dead, you all really, really, really need to go buy tablets. And smartphones. New ones. Every year.

/Some of us actually create content
//This requires a usable data input scheme, aka keyboard and mouse
///Dual screens or huge screens help too


Exactly. This isn't a bad thing unless you need to extract profit from our wallets.

Everyone: "Well, it took a whole generation but we've finally gotten to the point where everyone in first world industrialized nations have computers. And not only do they have them, they're awesome. Their power and flexibility vs their cost are at levels unthinkable generations ago. They can be upgraded, and the best part is that they last a long a time, giving everyone great value. Great job everyone! We have achieved a dream of giving people more computing power than nation-states from 50 years ago! And all for the price of an appliance!"

Investors: "Fark that. We don't care. You all need to keep buying something, maybe these tablets or smartphones. They break and your evil telecom companies force you to upgrade every two years. Just as long as you keep wasting money on our investments we're happy."
 
2012-10-11 07:02:17 PM
FTFA: A report from HIS iSuppli estimated PC shipments for 2012 will have declined for the first time in 11 years by 8 percent-the largest drop in sales since 2001

I love this sentence. Of course it's the largest drop in sales since 2001. It's the only drop in sales since 2001.
 
2012-10-11 07:04:36 PM

Esc7: Investors: "Fark that. We don't care. You all need to keep buying something, maybe these tablets or smartphones. They break and your evil telecom companies force you to upgrade every two years. Just as long as you keep wasting money on our investments we're happy."


That's the genius of the iPad - v1 is now redundant. No updates. No £25 OS upgrade for you, you've got to spend £400 for a new one. Want better graphics? £400. More storage? £400.

My Athlon X2 is 5 years old already and still going strong. I'll stick an SSD in it, put Windows 8 on it and it will probably give me another 5 years, for a total of about £125. Adding an awesome graphics card in a few years would cost £75.
 
2012-10-11 09:39:53 PM
Psh. Back in my day the PC towers were too big to set on our desks.

/ I miss those old full size towers sometimes, you never had to deal with a video card blocking the connections on a hard drive.
// Of course back then most PCs didn't have video cards, but if they did there would have been plenty of space for the damn thing
/// Some of those old ISA cards could get pretty big, too
 
2012-10-11 09:42:59 PM
I hope I'm not in before someone points out that PC stands for "personal computer", of which Apple is just one of many manufacturers.
 
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