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2012-10-11 10:54:51 AM
If only there were people we could train to research and study things based on evidence.
 
2012-10-11 11:01:56 AM
Just sitting next to my gas grill makes be believe in hamburgers and barbecued chicken.
 
2012-10-11 11:23:45 AM
For fark's sake, can we please stop using "belief" in the context of science? Yes, our primitive monkey brains are easily tricked into making irrational judgements. We know this. The whole point of science is to mitigate this tendency.

There's no such thing as "believing" in global warming. There's only looking at the evidence and going with the most logical conclusion. Likewise, you can't disbelieve in it either. It's not Santa Claus. What you mean when you say you don't believe in climate change is "I don't want this story to be true."
 
2012-10-11 11:39:28 AM

Lumpmoose: If only there were people we could train to research and study things based on evidence.


And maybe we could make enough of them that we can easily replicate their results, thus proving that their conclusions are correct.
 
2012-10-11 12:04:44 PM
Conversely, seeing snow in Winter causes people to think Global Warming is a hoax.

/wish I was making that up.
 
2012-10-11 12:05:13 PM
totally irrational like giving this a green
 
2012-10-11 12:07:02 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: For fark's sake, can we please stop using "belief" in the context of science? Yes, our primitive monkey brains are easily tricked into making irrational judgements. We know this. The whole point of science is to mitigate this tendency.

There's no such thing as "believing" in global warming. There's only looking at the evidence and going with the most logical conclusion. Likewise, you can't disbelieve in it either. It's not Santa Claus. What you mean when you say you don't believe in climate change is "I don't want this story to be true."


Came to say this, thanks for covering it for me.
 
2012-10-11 12:07:15 PM
Just sitting infront of a strip club makes me think of blue balls and 'do not stick it in the crazy'.
 
2012-10-11 12:07:38 PM

Nezorf: Lumpmoose: If only there were people we could train to research and study things based on evidence.

And maybe we could make enough of them that we can easily replicate their results, thus proving that their conclusions are correct.


Or more accurately, that their conclusion is the most likely of all the currently offered interpretations of the evidence.
 
2012-10-11 12:07:43 PM
The problem is that rationality is rare in human beings, even scientists.

As far as the question of whether we're farking up the environment, I think that's not even up for question. The difficulty is that the only real solution is cutting back on the number of humans.

Who wants to go first?
 
2012-10-11 12:09:31 PM
This article made my IQ go down just by reading it.

It's the typical "All climate change believers are being delluded by bad science and their own ignorance" crap that gets posted to fark on a daily basis.
 
2012-10-11 12:10:18 PM
I remember when I was a little kid and everyone was all up in arms about nuclear power and how dangerous it was for humanity. Now no one even cares about the issue.
I look forward to 10 years from now when everyone will make jokes about this whole scare just like Y2K.
Geez, some of you guys are so gullible.
 
2012-10-11 12:11:03 PM
There is a difference between not believing in global warming and not believing that humans are the sole reason for said change.
 
2012-10-11 12:14:43 PM
This study just doesn't feel right to me. Must be lies.
 
2012-10-11 12:15:56 PM

sodomizer: The problem is that rationality is rare in human beings, even scientists.

As far as the question of whether we're farking up the environment, I think that's not even up for question. The difficulty is that the only real solution is cutting back on the number of humans.

Who wants to go first?


Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but not right now
 
2012-10-11 12:16:38 PM
In other news, scientists have determined the average person is a moron.
 
2012-10-11 12:19:24 PM

trippdogg: In other news, scientists have determined the average person is a moron.


Oh no, we've known that for a long time.
 
2012-10-11 12:19:40 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Conversely, seeing snow in Winter causes people to think Global Warming is a hoax.

/wish I was making that up.


A few years ago I saw Faux News mocking the idea of climate change by spotlighting the fact it was snowing on the beach in Rio de Janeiro - loudly laughing that it being freakishly cold in a place normally known for being quite warm 'disproved' the idea that earth could possibly be getting warmer.

Come on. Using truly abnormal weather patterns to 'prove' that weather patterns aren't changing? Seriously? People fall for that? Of course they do. Humans are totally irrational sheep who only look for even the thinnest reason to reinforce preexisting beliefs and openly rejecting all other information.
 
2012-10-11 12:22:38 PM

Lumpmoose: If only there were people we could train to research and study things based on evidence.


Yea, that used to be the way to do science.
Now, you just ask for a "consensus".
Science is hard. "Creation" is easy.
Do the math while you still know how.

Seriously, how long can this con go on?

/and plz, Believers, quit lying and saying that somebody denies the World Climate is changing.

//just so old and broken

DENY THE MONEY!
 
2012-10-11 12:22:49 PM
I was arguing about climate change with my dad and he said he wasn't worried about it... because the rapture. I just left the house.
 
2012-10-11 12:25:56 PM
In related news...

Spending a week with the in-laws stop can cause people to feel like they understand time-dilation phenomena... even if they've never studied Einstein.
 
2012-10-11 12:27:53 PM
Tat'dGreaser: "There is a difference between not believing in global warming and not believing that humans are the sole reason for said change."

Which study claimed that humans were the sole reason?
 
2012-10-11 12:32:21 PM
I know, I mean, just looking at this chart from NASA (Everyone knows what drama queens they are over there) makes people believe in global warming.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
 
2012-10-11 12:32:59 PM

ringersol: Tat'dGreaser: "There is a difference between not believing in global warming and not believing that humans are the sole reason for said change."

Which study claimed that humans were the sole reason?


I think he's commenting on politicians, not studies.

Some politicians say climate change is occurring and we need regulations to stop it.
Some politicians say climate change is occurring and there is nothing we can do about it.
Some politicians say climate change is not occurring.
 
2012-10-11 12:33:26 PM

Everything is Awful: I was arguing about climate change with my dad and he said he wasn't worried about it... because the rapture. I just left the house.


I don't understand dominionists. "Our god is going to come back in the flesh and visit us any day now, so we need to get on shiatting all over the planet he gave us."

It's like trashing the college dorm that your parents are paying for before they come to visit.
 
2012-10-11 12:38:20 PM
I, for one, would like to ask our resident deniers where they got their walk-in freezers, and whether they have a desktop inside or if just carry a laptop in with them.
 
2012-10-11 12:39:39 PM
www.russianandturkishbaths.com

What believers of global warming might look like
 
2012-10-11 12:42:33 PM

zakke: www.russianandturkishbaths.com

What believers of global warming might look like


Now I'm convinced. We need more believers.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-11 12:46:08 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: For fark's sake, can we please stop using "belief" in the context of science? Yes, our primitive monkey brains are easily tricked into making irrational judgements. We know this. The whole point of science is to mitigate this tendency.

There's no such thing as "believing" in global warming. There's only looking at the evidence and going with the most logical conclusion. Likewise, you can't disbelieve in it either. It's not Santa Claus. What you mean when you say you don't believe in climate change is "I don't want this story to be true."


When you say you don't believe in climate change you are saying "I don't give a fark but I don't want to look like a jerk so I will pretend it's a matter of principle".
 
2012-10-11 12:53:34 PM

vpb: God Is My Co-Pirate: For fark's sake, can we please stop using "belief" in the context of science? Yes, our primitive monkey brains are easily tricked into making irrational judgements. We know this. The whole point of science is to mitigate this tendency.

There's no such thing as "believing" in global warming. There's only looking at the evidence and going with the most logical conclusion. Likewise, you can't disbelieve in it either. It's not Santa Claus. What you mean when you say you don't believe in climate change is "I don't want this story to be true."

When you say you don't believe in climate change you are saying "I don't give a fark but I don't want to look like a jerk so I will pretend it's a matter of principle".


Projection: is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

/watch yer slip
 
2012-10-11 01:23:25 PM

sodomizer: The difficulty is that the only real solution is cutting back on the number of humans.


That sounds very scientific.
 
2012-10-11 01:30:14 PM
Who cares if global warming is real? We should act as it is is real and that we are the cause of it, and we should do everything reasonable within our power (as both individuals and as a whole) to reduce any and all negative impact upon the environment.
 
2012-10-11 01:38:34 PM

doubled99: I remember when I was a little kid and everyone was all up in arms about nuclear power and how dangerous it was for humanity. Now no one even cares about the issue.
I look forward to 10 years from now when everyone will make jokes about this whole scare just like Y2K.
Geez, some of you guys are so gullible.


Awesome. 9/10.

Tat'dGreaser: There is a difference between not believing in global warming and not believing that humans are the sole reason for said change.


You're the first person to ever say humans are the sole reason of climate change. Congratulations.

Also, it's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of degree. Science could care less whether this issue aligns with your particular political leanings.
 
2012-10-11 01:42:58 PM

joonyer: Also, it's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of degree. Science could care less whether this issue aligns with your particular political leanings.


Hi, welcome to Fark.com! I imagine this is your first day here? How do you like it so far? Do you have any questions on posting or how things operate?
 
2012-10-11 01:53:25 PM

Mock26: Who cares if global warming is real? We should act as it is is real and that we are the cause of it, and we should do everything reasonable within our power (as both individuals and as a whole) to reduce any and all negative impact upon the environment.


I've seen a number of real religious zealots use the exact same argument. Doesn't matter if you believe, it's just what they feel you arbitrarily "should" do, typically meaning what people "shouldn't" be doing, typically boiling down to the root of "If you don't do as I do, you are scum and not worthy of rights."

The global warming debate is scarily similar to say, contraception or abortion debates. Largely about getting people to stop doing X, and people who want to try to preserve freedom.
 
2012-10-11 03:01:55 PM

Lumpmoose: If only there were people we could train to research and study things based on evidence.


You sound like a scientist. Or should we just call you comrade
 
2012-10-11 11:58:31 PM
When it got dark last night I started believing a dragon ate the sun.
 
2012-10-12 12:44:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: Mock26: Who cares if global warming is real? We should act as it is is real and that we are the cause of it, and we should do everything reasonable within our power (as both individuals and as a whole) to reduce any and all negative impact upon the environment.

I've seen a number of real religious zealots use the exact same argument. Doesn't matter if you believe, it's just what they feel you arbitrarily "should" do, typically meaning what people "shouldn't" be doing, typically boiling down to the root of "If you don't do as I do, you are scum and not worthy of rights."

The global warming debate is scarily similar to say, contraception or abortion debates. Largely about getting people to stop doing X, and people who want to try to preserve freedom.


Setting aside your religious argument, what is so horribly wrong with everyone doing their best to reasonably reduce their impact on the environment?
 
2012-10-12 02:12:05 AM

Mock26: omeganuepsilon: Mock26: Who cares if global warming is real? We should act as it is is real and that we are the cause of it, and we should do everything reasonable within our power (as both individuals and as a whole) to reduce any and all negative impact upon the environment.

I've seen a number of real religious zealots use the exact same argument. Doesn't matter if you believe, it's just what they feel you arbitrarily "should" do, typically meaning what people "shouldn't" be doing, typically boiling down to the root of "If you don't do as I do, you are scum and not worthy of rights."

The global warming debate is scarily similar to say, contraception or abortion debates. Largely about getting people to stop doing X, and people who want to try to preserve freedom.

Setting aside your religious argument, what is so horribly wrong with everyone doing their best to reasonably reduce their impact on the environment?


Nothing.

There's also nothing wrong with not giving it your all. I'm not a fan of pushing any morals.

"Saving" the earth is pointless if we can't save eachother. It's like dieting on bland foods to extend a pretty empty life, I just don't get it, and people, by and large, don't want to listen to the preacher man.
 
2012-10-12 12:46:23 PM

omeganuepsilon: Mock26: omeganuepsilon: Mock26: Who cares if global warming is real? We should act as it is is real and that we are the cause of it, and we should do everything reasonable within our power (as both individuals and as a whole) to reduce any and all negative impact upon the environment.

I've seen a number of real religious zealots use the exact same argument. Doesn't matter if you believe, it's just what they feel you arbitrarily "should" do, typically meaning what people "shouldn't" be doing, typically boiling down to the root of "If you don't do as I do, you are scum and not worthy of rights."

The global warming debate is scarily similar to say, contraception or abortion debates. Largely about getting people to stop doing X, and people who want to try to preserve freedom.

Setting aside your religious argument, what is so horribly wrong with everyone doing their best to reasonably reduce their impact on the environment?

Nothing.

There's also nothing wrong with not giving it your all. I'm not a fan of pushing any morals.

"Saving" the earth is pointless if we can't save eachother. It's like dieting on bland foods to extend a pretty empty life, I just don't get it, and people, by and large, don't want to listen to the preacher man.


Who said anything about "saving the earth"? I just said that we should do what we can to reduce man's impact on the planet. I do not see that as pushing any morals on anyone. If that means just not buying bottled water and using a water bottle with tap water then that has a positive impact on the planet. Or maybe someone just recycles their metal cans and newspapers. These take no real effort, have no real moral agenda behind them, and benefit the entire world.

In regards to saving the earth being pointless if we cannot save each other, not really. (Not supporting a save the world standpoint*, but...) I view it like two people having a fight in a house that is on fire. If they take the time to solve their problems with each other it might come at a point when it is too late to save the house. If they set aside their differences and save the house then they can work on solving their differences.

* I do not support a "save the earth" viewpoint because I do not think that the earth needs to be saved. I just think that reducing man's impact on the planet is something that everyone can do do some degree, has no adverse affect on anyone, and can only be a good thing. I do not think that we need to force people to buy electric cars or remodel your house to be as green as possible (but if you want to and can do so, then all the more power to you), but I think that everyone should do something, even if it just recycling your aluminum cans or turning off the lights in a room if you are not in that room.
 
2012-10-13 11:35:49 AM

Mock26: Or maybe someone just recycles their metal cans and newspapers.


Scrap metal, sure. It is as finite a resource as oil. Plastics too, some very cool wood replacement stuff can be made from recycled scrap, more durable, less costly, etc.

Mock26: has no adverse affect on anyone, and can only be a good thing.


Paper though....not so much. Not only do we have enough trees in rotation as a self sustaining crop, the chemicals used in recycling paper are worse for the environment than creating new paper. (Or so Penn & Teller's Bullshiat would have me believe, so take that with a grain of salt).

I'm pretty sure sorting it out of garbage and not filling landfills with it is another thing though. To truly recycle it, it'd end up as mulch/compost. Same with food garbage, and even human flesh(instead of being entombed in concrete).

Really, the recycling movement as a whole is barely touching the waste that we produce, and therefore a sort of petty unachievable utopian sort of concept. Sounds better on a moral level than it really is.

Mock26: I do not think that we need to force people to buy electric cars or remodel your house to be as green as possible (but if you want to and can do so, then all the more power to you), but I think that everyone should do something, even if it just recycling your aluminum cans or turning off the lights in a room if you are not in that room.


Well, that's a lot more reasonable than I expected. I think most people do what they can, and those thoughtless enough to not care about wasting energy (or whatever, returning to vague concepts here), can't really be taught otherwise.

Whichever. I really did think you were being a bit more hardcore than you seem to be. My mistake.
 
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