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(Boston.com)   Massachusetts Attorney General urges repeal of "no swearing" law since it unconstitutionally discriminates against all Red Sox fans   (boston.com) divider line 17
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2012-10-11 10:11:29 AM  
Hey look, a Red Sox thread in October.

/amazing
 
2012-10-11 11:38:44 AM  
No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.
 
2012-10-11 11:38:59 AM  
Oh please, dear? For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
 
2012-10-11 11:39:06 AM  
good. this is a dumb law passed in a different time.
 
2012-10-11 11:43:46 AM  
Obscenity is not protected speech, which is a farking travesty

shiat, piss, fark, see you next Tuesday, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.

//oddly, I'm fine with the Fark filter, not fine with the government one.
 
2012-10-11 11:57:51 AM  

FrailChild: No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.


What is the difference between profanity and hate speech? If hate speech is protected speech then shouldn't profanity be considered protected as well?
Why is one protected but the other isn't?
 
2012-10-11 12:06:28 PM  

meat0918: Obscenity is not protected speech, which is a farking travesty

shiat, piss, fark, see you next Tuesday, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.

//oddly, I'm fine with the Fark filter, not fine with the government one.


Has a court (particularly SCOTUS) ever ruled that speech can be obscene?
 
2012-10-11 12:13:29 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the difference between profanity and hate speech? If hate speech is protected speech then shouldn't profanity be considered protected as well?
Why is one protected but the other isn't?


Good question - I think this sums it up:

"The Court has also upheld laws that regulate speech activity if those laws do not limit the content of speech and impose only an indirect burden on freedom of speech."
Obscenity vs. Hate Speech

So the idea being - they can regulate that people are not allowed to scream profanity in the street and create an abusive atmosphere, but if they approached someone privately and said "You irritate me. I dislike you." They would be communicating the same "content" as profanity (but actually using words adults use) and therefore completely free speech.

Whereas hate speech I believe is fuzzy because who gets to define what ideas are hateful? Is it hateful to say that homosexuality is a sin? Is it hateful to communicate the idea that the government hates black people? I don't think the government wants to be in the business of censorship of ideas based on their content. Then we'd just have groups from both sides branding the other side's ideas as "hateful" in order to silence the opposition.

However, profanity itself can be legally curtailed because is basically hateful words that communicate no additional content other than emotional abuse.
 
2012-10-11 12:19:13 PM  
''The issue is when someone is not capable of handling it, or you have to explain to a 10-year-old what in heaven someone just said. That's unnecessary.''

Heavens! My crotchfruit would never hear that colorful language anywhere else, ever! Please think of the children!  While you're at it, it would be nice if the homosexuals and interracial couples would stay off the streets as well - I don't want to explain those things, either.
 
2012-10-11 12:27:54 PM  

FrailChild: No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It sure seems to.

speech/spēCH/
Noun:
The expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.
A person's style of speaking.

No, you may not penalize me no matter what sounds come out of my mouth, or thoughts I express.
 
2012-10-11 01:00:00 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: FrailChild: No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It sure seems to.

speech/spēCH/
Noun:
The expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.
A person's style of speaking.

No, you may not penalize me no matter what sounds come out of my mouth, or thoughts I express.


Hmmm, well then, go out in public & threaten the life of the President or perhaps try to entice children into your car!

No one can stop you from saying anything. You can & might be held accountable for your words.
 
2012-10-11 01:14:58 PM  

tlchwi02: good. this is a dumb law passed in a different time.


Um, earlier this year.
 
2012-10-11 01:18:22 PM  
Mimi Duphily, a former town selectwoman who pushed for the fine against swearing, said it was not clear what the impact of Tuesday's decision would be or if it might prompt repeal of the 1968 bylaw.

But she strongly defended the town's crackdown on profanity.

''I can handle it,'' she said. ''The issue is when someone is not capable of handling it, or you have to explain to a 10-year-old what in heaven someone just said. That's unnecessary.''


Won't somebody please think of the farking children?!
 
2012-10-11 01:29:08 PM  

FrailChild: No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.


Actually, it does.

/Very appropriate user name, too.
 
2012-10-11 01:49:42 PM  

cleveoh: BraveNewCheneyWorld: FrailChild: No, free speech does not guarantee you the right to be profane and abusive in public.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It sure seems to.

speech/spēCH/
Noun:
The expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.
A person's style of speaking.

No, you may not penalize me no matter what sounds come out of my mouth, or thoughts I express.

Hmmm, well then, go out in public & threaten the life of the President or perhaps try to entice children into your car!

No one can stop you from saying anything. You can & might be held accountable for your words.


Yes, but when speech becomes evidence for the intent to commit a crime, you're really getting in trouble for the crime itself. You're allowed to say that the president should die and suffer no consequence, because it's simply an opinion, but you get in trouble when you say that you're going to kill him, or if you try to get others to kill him. See the difference?

Anyway, this is about swearing and swearing cannot be a criminal act.
 
2012-10-11 01:57:36 PM  

lilbjorn: tlchwi02: good. this is a dumb law passed in a different time.

Um, earlier this year.


actually, its slightly more complex than either of our points. the law itself was written back in 1968, but because it was a poorly written law, it didn't get enforced. Now this year the town basically made an official statement directing the police to begin enforcing the previously ignored law.
 
2012-10-11 06:24:54 PM  
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