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2012-10-11 12:18:26 PM
Was that words?
 
2012-10-11 12:18:40 PM
 
2012-10-11 12:20:44 PM
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1st - Runner Up - Texas community college holds police active shooter drill without notifying students. Well, beforehand
 
2012-10-11 12:23:28 PM
While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"
 
2012-10-11 12:25:42 PM
Guess it was a good thing it was also Brown Pants Day.
 
2012-10-11 12:27:50 PM
I guess the school/police department is lucky that the "active shooter" didn't get shot by an active patriot.
 
2012-10-11 12:28:22 PM
Same thing happened in a neighborhood in Kansas City a few weeks ago. Citizens were freaking out, wondering why the police were taking their sweet time showing up.
 
2012-10-11 12:30:57 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"


There's something to be said here. Causing a panic without good reason is a Very Bad Thing, but there does exist a bona fide need to train law enforcement in crowded, panicked situations. I don't think this particular case struck a very good balance, but perhaps it is time to discuss what a good balance would really be.
 
2012-10-11 12:32:51 PM
Sometimes I question my sanity, but I was able to parse this headline with no difficulty. Am I just not seeing the problem?
 
2012-10-11 12:33:27 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"


Next drill will be held in your home at 3am. Guess who the suspected shooter is?
 
2012-10-11 12:35:20 PM

Millennium: NumberFiveIsAlive: While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"

There's something to be said here. Causing a panic without good reason is a Very Bad Thing, but there does exist a bona fide need to train law enforcement in crowded, panicked situations. I don't think this particular case struck a very good balance, but perhaps it is time to discuss what a good balance would really be.


Hire actors.
 
2012-10-11 12:36:01 PM

ideamaster: I guess the school/police department is lucky that the "active shooter" didn't get shot by an active patriot.


This
 
2012-10-11 12:36:25 PM
Texas community college holds police "active shooter" drill without notifying students. Well, beforehand

feel better?
 
2012-10-11 12:36:55 PM

ideamaster: I guess the school/police department is lucky that the "active shooter" didn't get shot by an active patriot.


Excellent point. The fake shooter drill could've turned into a real "NRA tough guy with small penis and large gun decides to show the fake shooter sumtin".
 
2012-10-11 12:37:31 PM
If I planned to shoot up a campus, I would do it when everyone expects "just a drill." Advance notice of such drills would be really handy.
 
2012-10-11 12:37:39 PM
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2012-10-11 12:39:18 PM
Since texas is a concealed carry state, what would have happened if someone who carried such a permit would have used their 2nd amendment rights along with said permit to defend themselves and or friends?

/most likely death of the permit holder.
 
2012-10-11 12:39:33 PM

Albert911emt: Excellent point. The fake shooter drill could've turned into a real "NRA tough guy with small penis and large gun decides to show the fake shooter sumtin".


Eh, could also have turned into "Slightly off-kilter physics graduate student ambushes 'shooter' with improvised weaponry'"

/Not that I know/think I'd be able to perform feats of heroic, nor am I anywhere near texas.
//But I *am* at VT, and during the last scare I did find myself going "Okay, if X happens, I can set up ambush points above the doorway h ere, which is also out of the line of fire if they try to shoot through the door. Lesee.. oh, we have a crowbar! Good."
 
2012-10-11 12:42:39 PM
But Culton said not even the North Lake faculty had been made aware of the drill.
North Lake College told News 8 it sent out two warning e-mails,...


Yes? No? Maybe?
 
2012-10-11 12:46:34 PM

RedVentrue: NumberFiveIsAlive: While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"

Next drill will be held in your home at 3am. Guess who the suspected shooter is?


Unfortunately for you, where I work they tend to over-emphasize that drills are taking place. You get a phone call, and 5 emails, and the loudspeaker system advertises it up to a week in advance. And they do it so often most people don't give a hoot anymore.

On the flip side, this has a negative effect. CSB:
Base credit union was robbed real world by a base employee with a gun. Guy walks on foot (wha?) out of the building towards office area of the base. Solo security gal calls in his location and destination instead of intercepting him alone (good call). Robber places gun in his bag of cash, walks into office building where he knows some people to chat (another wtf???). When cops show up they do what they do, enter from multiple sides, weapons drawn, order the guy to get down, yada yada yada... What do the civilians in the office building do? They stand there, staring at the scene, some are amused because they think this is a live action exercise. They didn't realize that no exercise was called, and if the cops had to shoot the SOB the bullets would have gone through him and hit bystanders, or ricc'd and got someone.

/CSB
 
2012-10-11 12:48:13 PM
Nation of pussies.

If you hear shots, run towards them and beat the living piss out of who ever has the boom stick.

If it's only a drill, tough. They should have warned you.
If it's not, continue beating the piss out of them until someone stops you or they are dead.
 
2012-10-11 12:50:51 PM
Hope it's not Tarrant County, hope it's not Tarrant County.....HAHH! DALLAS COUNTY! dumbasses..
 
2012-10-11 12:55:03 PM
Texas permit holders cannot carry in classrooms. They would have to leave the building, get to their vehicle, retrieve the weapon, return to the building, and commit a felony by entering the building with the weapon. However, it is legal to walk around campus with the concealed weapon as long as no building is entered.

Of course there are plenty of folks around here who carry without a permit. Risky business in these parts to fake a murderous rampage.
 
2012-10-11 01:01:40 PM

Albert911emt: ideamaster: I guess the school/police department is lucky that the "active shooter" didn't get shot by an active patriot.

Excellent point. The fake shooter drill could've turned into a real "NRA tough guy with small penis and large gun decides to show the fake shooter sumtin".


Wait, so you're saying he has a small penis and large gun but only because it's a fake shooter? Same situation but a real shooter and then what?
 
2012-10-11 01:05:08 PM
I love "but we sent an email". Yes, because everyone checks their email every day and read every email they are sent. You won't possibly have any people on campus who aren't on your email list. How hard would it be to put a poster at the entrance of each building? Don't even have to announce the time in advance just say "at some point during the week of Oct X - X between the hours of 8 and 5 we will holding a live fire exercise. The emergency sirens will sound and we will send a test 911 text message before we start".

I'm waiting for the followup story "they used live ammo, not blanks, and accidentally shot the Dean's car".
 
2012-10-11 01:06:56 PM
The risk that a CHL holder would have iced the "shooter" is very real and should have been considered. Just because the law says CHLs aren't supposed to carry on campus, I'll guarantee you that some do.

However, there is also something to the theory of inoculating people to the sensation of extreme stress. Ooh, poor little snowflake princess got a little panicked and upset. Okay, that's a normal and understandable reaction. But, now that she knows what that fear feels like, we can talk about some strategies to employ if this had been a real situation.

Getting scared is not the end of the world and should not require long-term counseling, but it probably will for some of these kids.
 
2012-10-11 01:33:40 PM

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1st - Runner Up - Texas community college holds police active shooter drill without notifying students. Well, beforehand


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2012-10-11 01:48:35 PM
Well I guess that would be the only way to get an accurate drill...
 
2012-10-11 03:04:33 PM
What stuff like this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt is that, faced with an active shooter, people PANIC. They run, hide, piss their pants, and generally freak out. They do not calmly and coolly band together and overpower their attackers, draw their legal or illegal concealed weapons and kill them, or anything else that ITGs imagine they will do in active-shooter situations.

Maybe someday people will begin to realize that that kind of shiat only happens in movies.
 
2012-10-11 06:27:30 PM
Like anyone who goes to a community college is actually going to show up for class. If they were competent students they'd be going to a real college. I wouldn't have bothered notifying anyone either.
 
2012-10-11 06:37:55 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: RedVentrue: NumberFiveIsAlive: While I understand the need to notify people of a pending exercise or drill, I find that when you do people tend to act in ways that defeat the teaching portion of the exercise. For example, got a shooter on the loose and you're looking for him? You'll find him, surrounded by morons talking to him and asking him questions like "what's it like being hunted?" and "want to take a picture with me holding that gun?"

Next drill will be held in your home at 3am. Guess who the suspected shooter is?

Unfortunately for you, where I work they tend to over-emphasize that drills are taking place. You get a phone call, and 5 emails, and the loudspeaker system advertises it up to a week in advance. And they do it so often most people don't give a hoot anymore.

On the flip side, this has a negative effect. CSB:
Base credit union was robbed real world by a base employee with a gun. Guy walks on foot (wha?) out of the building towards office area of the base. Solo security gal calls in his location and destination instead of intercepting him alone (good call). Robber places gun in his bag of cash, walks into office building where he knows some people to chat (another wtf???). When cops show up they do what they do, enter from multiple sides, weapons drawn, order the guy to get down, yada yada yada... What do the civilians in the office building do? They stand there, staring at the scene, some are amused because they think this is a live action exercise. They didn't realize that no exercise was called, and if the cops had to shoot the SOB the bullets would have gone through him and hit bystanders, or ricc'd and got someone.

/CSB


I'm not saying drills should not be done. I'm saying drills should not be inflicted on unsuspecting high school/ college students. Students should be active participants in the training with SWAT and instructed about what to do in such situations. When the real thing happens both sides will know how to respond appropriately.
 
2012-10-11 07:05:09 PM

biyaaatci: Sometimes I question my sanity, but I was able to parse this headline with no difficulty. Am I just not seeing the problem?


Not just you - I found it to be a perfectly cromulent headline.
 
2012-10-12 03:09:36 AM
I had a dream last night
That I was piloting a plane
And all the passengers were drunk and insane
I crash landed in a Louisiana swamp
Shot up a horde of zombies
But I come out on top
What's it all about?
It just reflects my mood

Sitting in the dirt
Feeling kind of hurt
Aaaaall I hear is doooom and gloom
And aaaaall is darkness in my room
Through the light your face I see
Baby take a chance
Baby won't you dance with meeeeee

Lost all that treasure in an overseas war
It just goes to show you don't get what you paid for
Battle to the rich and you worry about the poor
Put my feet up on the couch
And lock all the doors
Hear a funky noise
That's the tightening of the screeeeews

I'm feeling kind of hurt
Sitting in the dirt
Aaaaall I hear is doooom and gloom
But when those drums go boom boom boom
Through the night your face I see
Baby take a chance
Baby won't you dance with meeee
Yeah
Baby won't you dance with meeee
Oh yeah

Fracking deep for ...
But there's nothing in the sump
There's kids all picking
Ar the garbage dumb
I'm running out of water
So I better prime the pump
I'm trying to stay sober
But I end up drunk

We'll be eating dirt
Living on the side of the roooaaad
There's some food for thought
Kind of makes your head explode
Feeling kind of hurt
Yeah

But aaaall I hear is doooom and gloom
And aaaaall is darkness in my room
Through the night your face I see
Baby come on
Baby won't you dance with me
Yeah
Yeah
Baby won't you dance with me
I'm feeling kind of hurt
Baby won't you dance with meeeee
Yeah
Come on
Baby won't you dance with me
I'm sitting in the dirt
Baby won't you dance with me!
 
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