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(Think Progress)   5 National Parks that could be threatened under the Romney Energy Plan. They're just dirt anyway, right?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 53
    More: Obvious, Grand Teton National Park, American Progress, Arizona Governor, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, President Theodore Roosevelt, Canadian Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, Grand Canyon National Park  
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2012-10-11 12:39:15 AM  
So what you're telling me is that when some Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Ron Paul talk about "freedom" what they really mean isn't your personal freedom but the freedom for State government and your employer(you know, your betters) to oppress and exploit you at will.
 
2012-10-11 12:47:50 AM  
Exactly when did "conservative" become the polar opposite of "conservation"?

/WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2012-10-11 03:41:01 AM  

Voiceofreason01: So what you're telling me is that when some Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Ron Paul talk about "freedom" what they really mean isn't your personal freedom but the freedom for State government and your employer(you know, your betters) to oppress and exploit you at will.


Hey, if you people want nature and sh*t just be bootstrappy and buy your own.
 
2012-10-11 11:48:13 AM  
Of course, Romney's plan is just as vague as anything else he's put out.
 
2012-10-11 11:50:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Exactly when did "conservative" become the polar opposite of "conservation"?

/WTF is wrong with these people?


Considering that Teddy Roosevelt was very much a champion of our national parks, it is sort of sad.

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2012-10-11 12:54:20 PM  
BS

Romney doesn't have any plans
 
2012-10-11 12:55:22 PM  
Well, not just dirt, but trees of just the right height, which should be clearcut immediately so we can drill for oil and frack and just in case we haven't completely poisoned the land for centuries we'll nuke it from orbit.
 
2012-10-11 12:55:39 PM  
Who cares? It's only the hard to reach parks that are threatened.
 
2012-10-11 12:55:44 PM  
Only 5?

Romney strikes me as a man that would burn a forest he owned because the government told him he couldn't cut down all the trees.
 
2012-10-11 12:56:33 PM  

CPennypacker: BS

Romney doesn't have any plans


But the people who are voting for him would like every thing in the country privatized. Poor people having access to parks is not what this country is about. If they want to go to a park, they should pay.
 
2012-10-11 12:57:20 PM  
Old growth redwoods make the softest toilet paper though.
 
2012-10-11 12:57:50 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Old growth redwoods make the softest toilet paper though.


If we'd just go ahead and cut them all down, they wouldn't be threatened anymore.
 
2012-10-11 01:00:15 PM  
This whole "herp gas prices, derp energy prices, develop minerals on federal lands NOW" just goes to show how incredibly selfish and short-sighted these people really are. These federal conservation lands are for the benefit of all Americans, not just the current generation. We should be extremely hesitant to produce minerals on federally reserved property for the mere fact that such property is not for our exclusive benefit.
 
2012-10-11 01:03:59 PM  
Don't worry, they'll be giving a large share of the profits to Native American tribes.
 
2012-10-11 01:04:33 PM  
When is Zombie Teddy going to b*tchslap his party in line?
 
2012-10-11 01:06:35 PM  

ghare: CPennypacker: BS

Romney doesn't have any plans

But the people who are voting for him would like every thing in the country privatized. Poor people having access to parks is not what this country is about. If they want to go to a park, they should pay.


Parks & Recreation:

Ron: I think the entire government should be privatized. Chuck E. Cheese could run the parks. Everything operated by tokens. Drop in a token, go on the swing set. Drop in another token, take a walk. Drop in a token, look at a duck.
 
2012-10-11 01:08:23 PM  
We already have current operations drilling for gas and oil in a number of the Nation's National Parks . . .
media.treehugger.com
And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.
 
2012-10-11 01:09:55 PM  
Really though, I wouldn't worry too much about a few of these.

Grand Canyon - uranium - Uranium prices are a 2 year lows and likely are only going lower.
Bryce Canyon - coal - We're idling coal mining as it is. I wouldn't worry about it.
Grand Teton - NG - NG while rebounding from summer lows is still about 1/10 of what it was even last summer. Current rig operation is as at a 15 year low and falling. Estimates are the the price will need to at least double before anyone feels like expanding rig drilling.

I'm not saying you shouldn't worry about Romney doing whatever anyone who writes a check wants him to do, but there likely won't be a rush to develop some of these. While grandstanding about "opening up exploration" is constant, the demand for anything besides oil isn't enough to make anyone want to develop said mining rights.
 
2012-10-11 01:10:32 PM  

hubiestubert: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Exactly when did "conservative" become the polar opposite of "conservation"?

/WTF is wrong with these people?

Considering that Teddy Roosevelt was very much a champion of our national parks, it is sort of sad.

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#4 on the list: Theodore Roosevelt National Park: North Dakota
Yeah, you go right ahead and piss of Zombie Teddy. See how that works out for you.
 
2012-10-11 01:10:47 PM  
I understand that Romney is a piece of shiat, but for the most part I don't care what he does just don't farking touch our nation parks.
 
2012-10-11 01:11:14 PM  

MrSteve007: We already have current operations drilling for gas and oil in a number of the Nation's National Parks . . .
[media.treehugger.com image 492x339]
And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.


Much like how we look at Standard Oil and Carnegie.

Which is to say it will be an anecdote on a history test...
 
2012-10-11 01:12:16 PM  
The GOP idea of a national park is a place where you drill for oil, mine for iron and coal, cut down trees for lumber, and if there is anything left after that, it's a place to ride your ATVs and dirt bikes as much as you damn well like.

Oh also, a place to hunt. And a few hazardous waste dumps might be a good idea too...cause that would create jobs.
 
2012-10-11 01:13:12 PM  

ghare: CPennypacker: BS

Romney doesn't have any plans

But the people who are voting for him would like every thing in the country privatized. Poor people having access to parks is not what this country is about. If they want to go to a park, they should pay.


Um, you do know that National Parks aren't free now, right?
 
2012-10-11 01:15:25 PM  

Kibbler: The GOP idea of a national park is a place where you drill for oil, mine for iron and coal, cut down trees for lumber, and if there is anything left after that, it's a place to ride your ATVs and dirt bikes as much as you damn well like.

Oh also, a place to hunt. And a few hazardous waste dumps might be a good idea too...cause that would create jobs.


I went to the Grand Canyon and hated it. The parking lot was so far from the river that I couldn't use my Jet Ski.
 
2012-10-11 01:18:59 PM  
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www.fullcirclechild.com

Isn't the Grand Canyon beautiful?
 
2012-10-11 01:19:04 PM  

FilmBELOH20: ghare: CPennypacker: BS

Romney doesn't have any plans

But the people who are voting for him would like every thing in the country privatized. Poor people having access to parks is not what this country is about. If they want to go to a park, they should pay.

Um, you do know that National Parks aren't free now, right?


"Many parks, including California's Golden Gate National Recreation Area, Minnesota's Voyageurs National Park, and the Blue Ridge Parkway that winds through North Carolina and Virginia do not charge an entrance fee"


Some of them do, true. But I am old enough to remember when a citizen got to go to a National Park for free. But you know, them poors, what with their Obamaphones and Color TVs and refrigerators, I've had it with them being treated like citizens!
 
2012-10-11 01:20:45 PM  
www.heatingoil.com

I just love the Florida Keys this time of year.
 
2012-10-11 01:22:09 PM  
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Have you seen the Grand Tetons?
 
2012-10-11 01:25:04 PM  

MrSteve007: We already have current operations drilling for gas and oil in a number of the Nation's National Parks . . .
[media.treehugger.com image 492x339]
And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.


Woohoo! Drilling in Cuyahoga Valley!

Of course, I'm sure they were drilling there LONG before it became a National Park.

/really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there
 
2012-10-11 01:27:17 PM  
As an avid hiker, i'd like to take this opportunity to say "Fark you Romney if you want this to happen".
 
2012-10-11 01:29:06 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: /really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there


Aside from the fact that it's the only decent sized park near Akron and Cleveland... but fark those people, right? They can all just drive an extra 25 minutes out to Ravennah and cram themselves along the lake...
 
2012-10-11 01:30:58 PM  
If people want to see nature, they can just go to one of their country estates.
 
2012-10-11 01:32:38 PM  
travelsoutwest.com

Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore will be... oh.

/btw, it's not nuclear even though everyone thinks so because of the cooling tower
//but it was planned to be nuclear but the NRC wouldn't allow it because of something about the hazards of building a nuclear power plant on sand - nanny state strikes again!
 
2012-10-11 01:33:10 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Woohoo! Drilling in Cuyahoga Valley!

Of course, I'm sure they were drilling there LONG before it became a National Park.

/really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there


Yep, looks like a hell-hole to me. Who'd want to protect this sort of crap. 70 waterfalls? Boring. Especially when the land was given nearly 100 years ago for protection from development.

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2012-10-11 01:40:31 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!:

/really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there


No matter how old something is, or how widely known, somebody somewhere is seeing it today for the very first time.
 
2012-10-11 01:42:17 PM  
What, no Drill Baby Drill
 
2012-10-11 01:45:46 PM  

afghanwhiggle: Pants full of macaroni!!:

/really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there

No matter how old something is, or how widely known, somebody somewhere is seeing it today for the very first time.


And if Romney and the GOP have their way, maybe for the last.
 
2012-10-11 01:47:17 PM  
Grand Canyon National Park: Even though Interior Secretary Ken Salazar protected one million acres around the Grand Canyon from mining last January, the decision applied only to new claims. About 3,500 existing uranium claims may still be valid, which could result in up to 11 uranium mines on Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service lands near the canyon. Under a Romney energy plan, the decision to permit these new mines would be made by the state of Arizona and under its rules and regulations. Arizona Governor Jan Brewer would likely give the go-ahead to new mining, as she called Salazar's decision in January "excessive and unnecessary regulation." Watch a short documentary about the issue:

Thanks, Jan Brewer. You are the one who so badly wants tourism and snow birds here and yet you wouldn't blink to let our greatest attraction be destroyed.
 
2012-10-11 01:56:21 PM  

vernonFL: [img229.imageshack.us image 600x439]

Have you seen the Grand Tetons?


Officially that's the Dolly Pardon Memorial.
 
2012-10-11 02:00:28 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: vernonFL: [img229.imageshack.us image 600x439]

Have you seen the Grand Tetons?

Officially that's the Dolly Pardon Memorial.


Yup...as in Grand Tetas National Park.
 
2012-10-11 02:01:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [travelsoutwest.com image 850x566]

Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore will be... oh.

/btw, it's not nuclear even though everyone thinks so because of the cooling tower
//but it was planned to be nuclear but the NRC wouldn't allow it because of something about the hazards of building a nuclear power plant on sand - nanny state strikes again!


Hey, Mount Baldy! It is one ugly place though.
 
2012-10-11 02:06:58 PM  

MrSteve007: And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.


Gah, even the Teddy Roosevelt Park is slated, how despicable.
 
2012-10-11 02:23:34 PM  

MrSteve007: Pants full of macaroni!!: Woohoo! Drilling in Cuyahoga Valley!

Of course, I'm sure they were drilling there LONG before it became a National Park.

/really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there

Yep, looks like a hell-hole to me. Who'd want to protect this sort of crap. 70 waterfalls? Boring. Especially when the land was given nearly 100 years ago for protection from development.




 


It's this time of year that I miss Ohio.
 
2012-10-11 02:35:36 PM  
goddamit vernon...

/lulz
 
2012-10-11 02:58:08 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: /really, there's no reason for it to be a National Park - there's nothing spectacular there


Yeah, preservation sucks.
 
2012-10-11 03:54:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Exactly when did "conservative" become the polar opposite of "conservation"?

/WTF is wrong with these people?


Yeah, I don't get it either. I guess being progressive on cash flow trumps being conservative on anything else.
 
2012-10-11 04:14:23 PM  

Space_Poet: MrSteve007: And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.

Gah, even the Teddy Roosevelt Park is slated, how despicable.


Beautiful park. I back-country camped in the North Unit last year and the following morning there was a small herd of bison no more than 100 feet outside my tent. Go there before North Dakota puts a ring of drilling rigs around the park.

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2012-10-11 04:24:03 PM  
That's it.  I'm kicking someone in the yambag.
 
2012-10-11 04:46:29 PM  
There are reasons why these particular lands were chosen to be conserved to begin with. All of those reasons started with "we don't want private corporations farking up this land because of X". We still should not want private corporations farking up this land because of X just in search of Y. Unspoiled beauty and wildlife is worth a few extra dollars - and it's not even really that much - for general consumer goods and energy. Even "I'm a gonna shoot them thare bears" Roosevelt agreed with that.

/have a love / hate relationship with Roosevelt.
 
2012-10-11 04:54:48 PM  

fozziewazzi: Space_Poet: MrSteve007: And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.

Gah, even the Teddy Roosevelt Park is slated, how despicable.

Beautiful park. I back-country camped in the North Unit last year and the following morning there was a small herd of bison no more than 100 feet outside my tent. Go there before North Dakota puts a ring of drilling rigs around the park.


Too late. They're right outside the entrance to the park, and the highway between Watford City and the North Unit is littered with piss bottles (and other things) from the rig rats that can't bother to use a bathroom.
 
2012-10-11 04:59:36 PM  

FilmBELOH20: fozziewazzi: Space_Poet: MrSteve007: And another 42 parks lined up. Link

/I wonder how future generations will look back at this era.

Gah, even the Teddy Roosevelt Park is slated, how despicable.

Beautiful park. I back-country camped in the North Unit last year and the following morning there was a small herd of bison no more than 100 feet outside my tent. Go there before North Dakota puts a ring of drilling rigs around the park.


Too late. They're right outside the entrance to the park, and the highway between Watford City and the North Unit is littered with piss bottles (and other things) from the rig rats that can't bother to use a bathroom.


That's a damn shame. The only consolation is that the well has to run dry eventually. I hope the companies are on the hook for the tear down and cleanup.
 
2012-10-11 08:00:53 PM  
I'd be all for mining at Grand Teton National Park as long as it drastically lowered the value of the Dick Cheney's property and ruined his quality of life. Just joking, it would probably increase the value of his property and make him happy to watch of the wilderness turn into a mining dead zone.
 
2012-10-12 12:01:20 AM  
Oh and

/subby

Pathetic comment turnout for one of our most important issues.
That said, some of the comments in here were pure awesome. Great pics, fozziewazzi. :)
 
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