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(Larry Brown Sports)   Pete Rose bets Jeter wont break his hits record   (larrybrownsports.com ) divider line
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2012-10-11 12:15:45 AM  
I would if some team would let him get another 3700 plate appearances with a dismal .333 slugging percentage.

As good as Rose was when he was younger his last seven (!!!) seasons were dismal.

3684 AB and 6 HR in seven years and a .678 OPS. He averaged about 22 extra base hit a year while playing 1st base or a corner outfield spot. His stats are HOF worthy but the whole hits record is total bullshiat. Anyone but Pete Rose would have benched Pete Rose after 1983 when he had 555 AB's and managed 14 doubles, 3 triples and zero home runs while playing left field.
 
2012-10-11 12:26:45 PM  

dameron: I would if some team would let him get another 3700 plate appearances with a dismal .333 slugging percentage.

As good as Rose was when he was younger his last seven (!!!) seasons were dismal.

3684 AB and 6 HR in seven years and a .678 OPS. He averaged about 22 extra base hit a year while playing 1st base or a corner outfield spot. His stats are HOF worthy but the whole hits record is total bullshiat. Anyone but Pete Rose would have benched Pete Rose after 1983 when he had 555 AB's and managed 14 doubles, 3 triples and zero home runs while playing left field.


Yeah, I'd say that about covers it.
 
2012-10-11 12:28:18 PM  
Sure, but Jeter sucks because a lot of those hits are singles, and everyone knows that his BAIPSRANGEWAR+ is terrible.
 
2012-10-11 12:32:46 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: dameron: I would if some team would let him get another 3700 plate appearances with a dismal .333 slugging percentage.

As good as Rose was when he was younger his last seven (!!!) seasons were dismal.

3684 AB and 6 HR in seven years and a .678 OPS. He averaged about 22 extra base hit a year while playing 1st base or a corner outfield spot. His stats are HOF worthy but the whole hits record is total bullshiat. Anyone but Pete Rose would have benched Pete Rose after 1983 when he had 555 AB's and managed 14 doubles, 3 triples and zero home runs while playing left field.

Yeah, I'd say that about covers it.


Seconded.

/turn out the lights on the way out
 
2012-10-11 12:33:56 PM  
yeah but who was playing behind pete, just some schmuck named eric davis, that kid would never amount to anything.
 
2012-10-11 12:34:59 PM  
What does a lesbian role-model know about baseball anyway?
 
2012-10-11 12:39:52 PM  

lakrfool: What does a lesbian role-model know about baseball anyway?


considering how close it is to softball im willing to give rose the benefit of the doubt
 
2012-10-11 12:42:42 PM  
As long as jeter doesnt get it. Thats the main thing.
 
2012-10-11 12:44:10 PM  
So where do they play Jeter in a couple of years? Full-time DH? Outfield? Trading Rodriguez might be the best solution, but they'd have to pay most of his salary to move him.
 
2012-10-11 12:45:11 PM  

WTF Indeed: BAIPSRANGEWAR+


That deserves more than one "Funny"
 
2012-10-11 12:46:25 PM  

lakrfool: What does a lesbian role-model know about baseball anyway?


On average lesbians know way more about baseball and throw less like girls than gay men do. Derek Jeter is an outlier.
 
2012-10-11 12:49:57 PM  
I made that lesbian comment, becuase just about every butch wearing a flannel shirt in SF in the mid-90s was seriously rocking the Charlie Hustle look. They would totally take out the catcher in an AS game.
 
2012-10-11 01:04:35 PM  

dameron: I would if some team would let him get another 3700 plate appearances with a dismal .333 slugging percentage.

As good as Rose was when he was younger his last seven (!!!) seasons were dismal.


Two words: Player Manager
 
2012-10-11 01:09:57 PM  
Who broke the filter??

It should read:
Pete Rose bets Jeter won't break his hits record
 
2012-10-11 01:11:17 PM  
Wow. It worked in my comment too.

I miss the days when it would correct to "...won't break hishiats record"
 
2012-10-11 01:30:44 PM  

WTF Indeed: Sure, but Jeter sucks because a lot of those hits are singles, and everyone knows that his BAIPSRANGEWAR+ is terrible.


Awesome.
 
2012-10-11 01:33:13 PM  
If only Pete Rose could have taken some time off and played semi-professional basketball until this whole deal cooled down, maybe he'd be in the Hall of Fame today.
 
2012-10-11 01:59:35 PM  

Raging Whore Moans: Wow. It worked in my comment too.

I miss the days when it would correct to "...won't break hishiats record"


winubianmes

19 game winner
 
2012-10-11 02:03:17 PM  

roc6783: Raging Whore Moans: Wow. It worked in my comment too.

I miss the days when it would correct to "...won't break hishiats record"

winubianmes

19 game winner


"got shiats"
"got five hits"
 
2012-10-11 02:04:27 PM  

WTF Indeed: Sure, but Jeter sucks because a lot of those hits are singles, and everyone knows that his BAIPSRANGEWAR+ is terrible.


Also, I don't think Jeter sucks, I just think that if he played for another team he wouldn't be looked upon as OMFGWTFBBQQ BEST SHORTSTOP IN THE HISTORY OF EVER EVER!!!!! He's good, he's played a long time, he's a HoF.
 
2012-10-11 02:07:06 PM  
Yeah, if only someone will allow Jeter to play long, long, LONG after he should've hung 'em up, Pete.
 
2012-10-11 02:34:54 PM  
Pete Rose was not a great player. He was a good player with a near god-like ability to not get hurt/stay healthy/stay in the lineup *cough playermanager cough* Look at his 162 game average for at bats - almost 680, with an OPS not even 800.

Grab an MLB average player who just happens to be around 20 years old, wave your magic wand/sprinkle fairy dust on him to make him immune to injury and sickness, play him every farking game for 22 years, and you'll have someone with stats very similar to Pete Rose.
 
2012-10-11 02:52:50 PM  
I agree, Pete, seeing as how Jeter won't be the manager of his own team so he in slot himself into the lineup all the time.
 
2012-10-11 02:54:48 PM  
Putting Rose aside for a sec....

Jeter has 2 years left on his current deal (one year guaranteed and a one year player option that he will pick up unless he's dead). He's at 3304 hits right now. In fourth place is Stan Musial with 3630, 326 hits ahead of Jeter. So Jeter needs to average 163 to tie Stan the Man. Jeter has only dipped below 160 once in his career, and that was 2003 when he hurt his shoulder on opening day and only played in 119 games. Even in his shiat-tastic 2010 season he got to 179. He had 216 this year. So 163 per year for the next two years seems reasonable. If he calls it a career at that point, it's still pretty damn impressive.
 
2012-10-11 02:56:41 PM  

mikaloyd: As long as jeter doesnt get it. Thats the main thing.


Aside from pure, raging YankeeHate, why not? If not Jeter, would you rather have seen A-Rod get it? Bonds? Sosa? Manny Ramirez? Milton Bradley?

Baseball is full of class-A douchebags. If anyone grabs a record, at least be happy its one of the better people in the game.
 
2012-10-11 03:00:58 PM  
If Jeter follows a similar trajectory for the rest of his career and plays until 45 like Rose I'd say he's got a chance. While we're talking about hypothetical situations, if Ichiro had started his career in MLB he'd likely be on pace to surpass Rose in 3 years. Remember that NPB only has a 130 game season and his combined NPB/MLB hit total is already past 3800 at age 38.
 
2012-10-11 03:02:03 PM  

Rex_Banner: Putting Rose aside for a sec....

Jeter has 2 years left on his current deal (one year guaranteed and a one year player option that he will pick up unless he's dead). He's at 3304 hits right now. In fourth place is Stan Musial with 3630, 326 hits ahead of Jeter. So Jeter needs to average 163 to tie Stan the Man. Jeter has only dipped below 160 once in his career, and that was 2003 when he hurt his shoulder on opening day and only played in 119 games. Even in his shiat-tastic 2010 season he got to 179. He had 216 this year. So 163 per year for the next two years seems reasonable. If he calls it a career at that point, it's still pretty damn impressive.


While passing Rose is i think a bit too much to ask, i think he will at least pass Aaron and take #3 with 3,800 hits. At best, i think he can reach 4,000. (That still keeps him in 3rd... thats a damn big gap between Aaron and Cobb)
 
2012-10-11 03:06:50 PM  

LemSkroob: Rex_Banner: Putting Rose aside for a sec....

Jeter has 2 years left on his current deal (one year guaranteed and a one year player option that he will pick up unless he's dead). He's at 3304 hits right now. In fourth place is Stan Musial with 3630, 326 hits ahead of Jeter. So Jeter needs to average 163 to tie Stan the Man. Jeter has only dipped below 160 once in his career, and that was 2003 when he hurt his shoulder on opening day and only played in 119 games. Even in his shiat-tastic 2010 season he got to 179. He had 216 this year. So 163 per year for the next two years seems reasonable. If he calls it a career at that point, it's still pretty damn impressive.

While passing Rose is i think a bit too much to ask, i think he will at least pass Aaron and take #3 with 3,800 hits. At best, i think he can reach 4,000. (That still keeps him in 3rd... thats a damn big gap between Aaron and Cobb)


He'll need at least one more contract after this one to get to Aaron, and whether or not that happens depends completely on the next two years. If he can still hit reasonably well after this contract, I could see the Yankees offering to go year-to-year with him. He'll probably want a multi-year deal though, and then things get problematic (again).

I will say this, though: if he gets to 4000, then he gets to Rose. SOMEONE will pay the $$$ to trot him out there everyday for 2 years while he chases one of the greatest records in the game.
 
2012-10-11 03:57:29 PM  

LemSkroob: If not Jeter, would you rather have seen A-Rod get it? Bonds? Sosa? Manny Ramirez? Milton Bradley?


LOLOLOL A Rod? No. None of the above. Let Rose keep it. He earned it.
 
2012-10-11 04:02:38 PM  

Rex_Banner: ...SOMEONE will pay the $$$ to trot him out there everyday for 2 years while he chases one of the greatest records in the game.


I'd pay money to see him (or anyone, really) beat Rose's record. I'd even pay money to have someone beat Rose. He's a real dick, and I hate him more than I hate the Yankees.
 
2012-10-11 04:08:27 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: While we're talking about hypothetical situations, if Ichiro had started his career in MLB he'd likely be on pace to surpass Rose in 3 years. Remember that NPB only has a 130 game season and his combined NPB/MLB hit total is already past 3800 at age 38.


If Ichiro had started in the MLB at age 20 (his breakout year in Japan) and we use his average MLB season (221 hits) for ages 20-26, he would be at 4153 at this point in his career...which would put him 103 behind Rose.
 
2012-10-11 04:14:17 PM  

Terlis: Night Night Cream Puff: While we're talking about hypothetical situations, if Ichiro had started his career in MLB he'd likely be on pace to surpass Rose in 3 years. Remember that NPB only has a 130 game season and his combined NPB/MLB hit total is already past 3800 at age 38.

If Ichiro had started in the MLB at age 20 (his breakout year in Japan) and we use his average MLB season (221 hits) for ages 20-26, he would be at 4153 at this point in his career...which would put him 103 behind Rose.


Why do really good Japanese players stay in Japan for so long? As a Brewers fan, I look at the awesome that Aoki put up for us this year and wonder why he wasn't here 6+ years ago.
 
2012-10-11 04:23:09 PM  

roc6783: Terlis: Night Night Cream Puff: While we're talking about hypothetical situations, if Ichiro had started his career in MLB he'd likely be on pace to surpass Rose in 3 years. Remember that NPB only has a 130 game season and his combined NPB/MLB hit total is already past 3800 at age 38.

If Ichiro had started in the MLB at age 20 (his breakout year in Japan) and we use his average MLB season (221 hits) for ages 20-26, he would be at 4153 at this point in his career...which would put him 103 behind Rose.

Why do really good Japanese players stay in Japan for so long? As a Brewers fan, I look at the awesome that Aoki put up for us this year and wonder why he wasn't here 6+ years ago.


short answer : racism

long answer : raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiism
 
2012-10-11 04:30:15 PM  

farbekrieg: roc6783: Terlis: Night Night Cream Puff: While we're talking about hypothetical situations, if Ichiro had started his career in MLB he'd likely be on pace to surpass Rose in 3 years. Remember that NPB only has a 130 game season and his combined NPB/MLB hit total is already past 3800 at age 38.

If Ichiro had started in the MLB at age 20 (his breakout year in Japan) and we use his average MLB season (221 hits) for ages 20-26, he would be at 4153 at this point in his career...which would put him 103 behind Rose.

Why do really good Japanese players stay in Japan for so long? As a Brewers fan, I look at the awesome that Aoki put up for us this year and wonder why he wasn't here 6+ years ago.

short answer : racism

long answer : raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiism


Short answer: An agreement between MLB and NPB that limits when players can come to the US.
Long answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system
 
2012-10-11 05:03:12 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk: farbekrieg: roc6783: Terlis: Night Night Cream Puff:***snip***

short answer : racism

long answer : raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiism

Short answer: An agreement between MLB and NPB that limits when players can come to the US.
Long answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system


Racism against Japanese players? WTF would that be the case if there are good players that can win games?

Posting system only covers players currently under contract with an NPB team. Why was Yu Darvish not on a minor league team 6-10 years ago?
 
2012-10-11 05:04:21 PM  
Pete Rose should have been buried with Jimmy Hoffa for the all star game plate bulldozer.

Screw that ahole. I am 99% of the way to wishing him diaf.
 
2012-10-11 05:08:24 PM  

zarberg: Grab an MLB average player who just happens to be around 20 years old, wave your magic wand/sprinkle fairy dust on him to make him immune to injury and sickness, play him every farking game for 22 years, and you'll have someone with stats very similar to Pete Rose.


Wow! Once someone in charge realizes that, Pete's record will be broken in no time!
 
2012-10-11 05:09:33 PM  

roc6783: Posting system only covers players currently under contract with an NPB team. Why was Yu Darvish not on a minor league team 6-10 years ago?


Because he wanted to play professionally in Japan and turned down MLB teams that expressed an interest in signing him.
 
2012-10-11 05:17:31 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Posting system only covers players currently under contract with an NPB team. Why was Yu Darvish not on a minor league team 6-10 years ago?

Because he wanted to play professionally in Japan and turned down MLB teams that expressed an interest in signing him.


Ok, thank you for the answer on him, ignoring that your link simply says that several MLB teams were looking to sign him, and nothing about why he didn't.

I mean, in general, why do the majority of Japanese players come over to the U.S. after 25?
 
2012-10-11 05:25:13 PM  

roc6783: Ok, thank you for the answer on him, ignoring that your link simply says that several MLB teams were looking to sign him, and nothing about why he didn't.


The fact is that he didn't, and had opportunities to do so.

My assumption on your other question is that unlike Latin American players who are often poor and need to leave home to make a career as a professional baseball player, Japanese players have a top quality and well-respected professional league that doesn't require them to move to a strange place halfway across the globe.
 
2012-10-11 05:26:27 PM  

ColSanders: zarberg: Grab an MLB average player who just happens to be around 20 years old, wave your magic wand/sprinkle fairy dust on him to make him immune to injury and sickness, play him every farking game for 22 years, and you'll have someone with stats very similar to Pete Rose.

Wow! Once someone in charge realizes that, Pete's record will be broken in no time!


Nah, teams seem more interested in getting players that can actually put up > 800 OPS
 
2012-10-11 05:26:50 PM  

roc6783: Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Posting system only covers players currently under contract with an NPB team. Why was Yu Darvish not on a minor league team 6-10 years ago?

Because he wanted to play professionally in Japan and turned down MLB teams that expressed an interest in signing him.

Ok, thank you for the answer on him, ignoring that your link simply says that several MLB teams were looking to sign him, and nothing about why he didn't.

I mean, in general, why do the majority of Japanese players come over to the U.S. after 25?



SO your question is why don't Japanese amateur free agents sign with MLB clubs? That is a good question, I wonder if some agreement prevents it.
 
2012-10-11 05:30:58 PM  
FTA -- "If anything, Jeter further solidifies how amazing Rose's career truly was."

And, considering how amazing his career truly was, it solidifies what sort of a shiathead he was to have pissed it all away by gambling.
 
2012-10-11 05:37:40 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Ok, thank you for the answer on him, ignoring that your link simply says that several MLB teams were looking to sign him, and nothing about why he didn't.

The fact is that he didn't, and had opportunities to do so.

My assumption on your other question is that unlike Latin American players who are often poor and need to leave home to make a career as a professional baseball player, Japanese players have a top quality and well-respected professional league that doesn't require them to move to a strange place halfway across the globe.


I don't know anything about the Japanese draft, but since MLB only has a draft for US prospects wouldn't top Japanese prospects be better off financially negotiating big money from any MLB team?
I know there is a cost to leaving home, but you would think this would happen every once in awhile from a country that produces some very good baseball talent.
 
2012-10-11 06:33:18 PM  
I'm sorta busy and don't really have time to dig up a bunch of articles, but the story of how Junichi Tazawa ended up signing with the Red Sox is extremely relevant to this discussion. I'm sure google or wikipedia would be a good place to start.
 
2012-10-11 08:19:20 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Two words: Player Manager


Don't remind me (especially not today).

The mid-80's Reds teams had a ton of great young talent stuck on the bench or playing out of position because of Rose's stat-padding, not to mention his generally shiat managing.
 
2012-10-11 08:36:35 PM  

DeWayne Mann: I'm sorta busy and don't really have time to dig up a bunch of articles, but the story of how Junichi Tazawa ended up signing with the Red Sox is extremely relevant to this discussion. I'm sure google or wikipedia would be a good place to start.


My takeaway is that there are three players who have played in MLB without playing in Japan:
1. A kid kicked out Japan by his parents
2. A guy undrafted because he stared in gay porn (I think it was the lack of tentacles that did it)
3. A player who asked not to be drafted and wasn't

If you were the greatest player of all time, from Japan and a team drafted you despite your request could you just sign with a US team or would the posting system cover that?
 
2012-10-11 10:29:41 PM  
Dang, Rose's later years are even worse than I thought. In 1985, at age 44, he had an odd stat line: .264 AVG, .395 OBP, .322 SLG as a first baseman.

In those 405 AB he struck out 35 times and walked 86 (!!) times. He had 2 HR, 2 triples, 12 doubles. What on Earth were opposing pitchers doing to walk him that frequently when he couldn't hit anything but singles anyway, and not nearly as often as he used to??
 
2012-10-11 11:39:27 PM  

farbekrieg: yeah but who was playing behind pete, just some schmuck named eric davis, that kid would never amount to anything.


Wrong. Rose never played outfield for the reds when he came back. He wasn't stunting davis' career,
 
2012-10-12 12:36:37 AM  

mikaloyd: LOLOLOL A Rod? No. None of the above. Let Rose keep it. He earned it.


By putting himself into a lineup every day? That as much "earning it" as a teacher still working well past their passion level just to boost their pension payout. Keeping your ass in a seat isnt earning it. production is earning it.
 
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