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2012-10-11 07:14:38 AM
Maureen Fiedler joined the Sisters of Mercy in September 1962. "I found this to be the most exhilarating time in my whole life as a Catholic, because it felt like the petals of a flower were opening, and that there was a whole new fragrance in the air of the church,"

We get it, you need to get laid.
 
2012-10-11 07:16:34 AM

elementalogic: Maureen Fiedler joined the Sisters of Mercy in September 1962. "I found this to be the most exhilarating time in my whole life as a Catholic, because it felt like the petals of a flower were opening, and that there was a whole new fragrance in the air of the church,"

We get it, you need to get laid.


She'll be in her monk.
 
2012-10-11 07:17:47 AM
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She joined the Sisters of Mercy??
 
2012-10-11 07:20:10 AM
Spiritual redemption won't be found in a bureaucracy that encourages and protects pedophiles.

Any person willingly associating themselves with the Catholic church is an accomplice to the molestation of children by priests. Their allegiance to Pope Benedict is disgusting and they are a pariah on the communities they pretend to serve.

Jack Chick was vehemently against the Catholic church, and it's turned out that he was right on at least that count.
 
2012-10-11 07:22:42 AM
It's not a democracy, ladies. If you don't like it, move on. . . .
 
2012-10-11 07:24:15 AM
Fiedler says she's troubled by the bishops' focus on abortion, contraceptives and homosexuality - and their relative silence about poverty, the budget and war.

This is the whole story in a nutshell. The nuns want to give real help to people in need. The bishops (no snark) are obsessed with sex issues. The bishops have much more power.
 
2012-10-11 07:28:07 AM
And this is how the Church ha always worked. It's slow as hell to make changes, but they do occur. Nothing in Catholicism happens in a single generation. Or thred.
 
2012-10-11 07:29:38 AM

ChubbyTiger: And this is how the Church ha always worked. It's slow as hell to make changes, but they do occur. Nothing in Catholicism happens in a single generation. Or thred.


Eternal truths are slow to change.
 
2012-10-11 07:31:25 AM
that would be an ecumenical matter!

(thank you Father Jack Hackett)
 
2012-10-11 07:33:38 AM
Sequels aren't always bad.
 
2012-10-11 07:34:34 AM

markfara: Eternal truths are slow to change.


Yes, but we're discussing religion, not the laws of physics.
 
2012-10-11 07:38:57 AM

Nuclear Monk: elementalogic: Maureen Fiedler joined the Sisters of Mercy in September 1962. "I found this to be the most exhilarating time in my whole life as a Catholic, because it felt like the petals of a flower were opening, and that there was a whole new fragrance in the air of the church,"

We get it, you need to get laid.

She'll be in her monk.


Happiness is a warm nun.

/isn't that how the song goes?
 
2012-10-11 07:43:09 AM
If you really like the style of the church, but you think the hierarchy is bullshiat, you could always join the Episcopalians. But don't become a Catholic nun and then feign surprise when the bishops are authoritarian throwbacks.
 
2012-10-11 07:43:24 AM
An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda.
 
2012-10-11 07:44:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Their allegiance to Pope Benedict is disgusting and they are a pariah on the communities they pretend to serve.


Even up here in blue-as-hell Connecticut, the Catholic Church is hardly a pariah. Every other person up here is Catholic.
 
2012-10-11 07:45:17 AM

sodomizer: An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda.


You: basically a slime mold with a keyboard.
 
2012-10-11 07:59:15 AM

indylaw: sodomizer: An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda.

You: basically a slime mold with a keyboard.


Hey, some of my closest friends are slime mold. Don't besmirch their character.
 
2012-10-11 08:03:26 AM

Dear Jerk: Fiedler says she's troubled by the bishops' focus on abortion, contraceptives and homosexuality - and their relative silence about poverty, the budget and war.

This is the whole story in a nutshell. The nuns want to give real help to people in need. The bishops (no snark) are obsessed with sex issues. The bishops have much more all the power.

 
2012-10-11 08:05:06 AM

indylaw: AverageAmericanGuy: Their allegiance to Pope Benedict is disgusting and they are a pariah on the communities they pretend to serve.

Even up here in blue-as-hell Connecticut, the Catholic Church is hardly a pariah. Every other person up here is Catholic.


Ditto for me growing up in northern New Jersey. I was raised Catholic, and it seemed like everyone from my school went to my church as well.
 
2012-10-11 08:07:46 AM
maybe they should form some sort of protestant reformation
 
2012-10-11 08:10:02 AM
I don't see nuns but just a bunch of old ladies complaining about the past. Get over it already. You've known your orders since you enlisted and if you wish to continue in your current line of work, you need to follow the directions as given. It is a pretty easy matter.
 
2012-10-11 08:10:22 AM

greenlady1: indylaw: AverageAmericanGuy: Their allegiance to Pope Benedict is disgusting and they are a pariah on the communities they pretend to serve.

Even up here in blue-as-hell Connecticut, the Catholic Church is hardly a pariah. Every other person up here is Catholic.

Ditto for me growing up in northern New Jersey. I was raised Catholic, and it seemed like everyone from my school went to my church as well.


Yeah, again - I don't know you are from, buddy...

The feeling among many of the laity is that bishops are consumed with abortion.

Abortion might - MIGHT affect one or two women in each diocese.

Hunger, injustice, isolation and despair affect hundreds of times as many people, and as a congregation, we'd be better off devoting ourselves to that. In fact, I will argue that abortion is a SIDE EFFECT of us not doing just that.
 
2012-10-11 08:13:07 AM

indylaw: If you really like the style of the church, but you think the hierarchy is bullshiat, you could always join the Episcopalians. But don't become a Catholic nun and then feign surprise when the bishops are authoritarian throwbacks.


The issue is rather a matter of whether you think that there indeed IS any other church.

I don't. There's only one. And its Leaders should stop acting like there's a matter of 'choice' involved. You can't bully people in the Church of Chirst. He accepts everyone who come to him with love, humility and honesty - even those who have rejected him.
 
2012-10-11 08:14:26 AM
The people who yell the loudest about Vatican II, by what they say, make it obvious they have never actually read any of the documents the Council actually produced. When pressed on this point they will usually retreat into invoking the "spirit" of the Council, which generally is the same thing as saying "I don't have any idea what the Council was actually about so I'll just pretend that it was actually whatever I currently wish it had been".

/the actual council, while making a few changes, was actually pretty conservative.
 
2012-10-11 08:14:35 AM
Hoover says many young women are flocking to more conservative orders.

That's unexpected. Why would more conservative religious orders be more popular with the youts of today?
 
2012-10-11 08:17:33 AM

rubi_con_man: The issue is rather a matter of whether you think that there indeed IS any other church.

I don't. There's only one.


Have fun, then.

/Raised Catholic
//Went to Catholic school
///Religion is bullsh*t. . . "2+2=8" "No, it doesn't! It equals 14!"
 
2012-10-11 08:17:59 AM
I read that as "Nuns still not giving it up" and I thought how is this new? Bunch of cock teases.
 
2012-10-11 08:20:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Spiritual redemption won't be found in a bureaucracy that encourages and protects pedophiles.

Any person willingly associating themselves with the Catholic church is an accomplice to the molestation of children by priests. Their allegiance to Pope Benedict is disgusting and they are a pariah on the communities they pretend to serve.

Jack Chick was vehemently against the Catholic church, and it's turned out that he was right on at least that count.


If only he didn't make up shiat or focuses on irrelevant stuff. He acts as if only the Catholic church borrowed from pagan rituals, and that nothing in other churches remotely resembles it.

There's plenty of horrible and weird stuff the church has done, he's just too lazy to look it up.

Death cookie? Seriously?
 
2012-10-11 08:25:12 AM

pkellmey: I don't see nuns but just a bunch of old ladies complaining about the past. Get over it already. You've known your orders since you enlisted and if you wish to continue in your current line of work, you need to follow the directions as given. It is a pretty easy matter.


And you suck.

They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma. Where have I heard that before...

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)


Oh yeah, there it is.

/you rock, ladies
//keep fighting the good fight
 
2012-10-11 08:27:45 AM

sodomizer: An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda entertainment for rich white people.


FTFY.
I don't get this criticism, NPR never seemed super liberal to me and I am a libertarian.
 
2012-10-11 08:29:59 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: sodomizer: An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda entertainment for rich white people.

FTFY.
I don't get this criticism, NPR never seemed super liberal to me and I am a libertarian.


Somehow "when all you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" seems appropriate here.
 
2012-10-11 08:32:19 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: sodomizer: An. NPR: basically government-funded Communist propaganda entertainment for rich white people.

FTFY.
I don't get this criticism, NPR never seemed super liberal to me and I am a libertarian.


Any media that doesn't constantly caricature and criticize liberals is by definition liberal.
 
2012-10-11 08:32:47 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma.


That's hilarious. I would love for them to have cited that when they took their vows. So the claim has become not only are they old crabby women, but now they are dementia patients as well.
 
2012-10-11 08:34:08 AM

indylaw: If you really like the style of the church, but you think the hierarchy is bullshiat, you could always join the Episcopalians. But don't become a Catholic nun and then feign surprise when the bishops are authoritarian throwbacks.


THIS. It also helps to remember that the Catholic Church has always been on the side of wealth and imperialism no matter what its officials or documents say.
 
2012-10-11 08:39:54 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: pkellmey: I don't see nuns but just a bunch of old ladies complaining about the past. Get over it already. You've known your orders since you enlisted and if you wish to continue in your current line of work, you need to follow the directions as given. It is a pretty easy matter.

And you suck.

They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma. Where have I heard that before...

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

Oh yeah, there it is.

/you rock, ladies
//keep fighting the good fight


What do the teachings of Christ have to do with Christianity?
 
2012-10-11 08:46:58 AM

GilRuiz1: Hoover says many young women are flocking to more conservative orders.

That's unexpected. Why would more conservative religious orders be more popular with the youts of today?


actually makes a lot of sense, the more liberal have either left the fold or become lay people in outreach/social justice organizations. This leaves the more strict adherents as the ones becoming nuns
 
2012-10-11 08:48:06 AM
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Vatican III: The Pope Strikes Back...
 
2012-10-11 08:48:27 AM

pkellmey: StreetlightInTheGhetto: They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma.

That's hilarious. I would love for them to have cited that when they took their vows. So the claim has become not only are they old crabby women, but now they are dementia patients as well.


Prejean was glad to see the habits go. When she entered the Sisters of St. Joseph at age 17, she says, the nuns were cordoned off from the world to pursue holiness and prayer.

The call to be engaged with the world was not a call to throw the baby out with the bath water, doctrinally speaking or any other way.

"Then Vatican II came along and said, 'Start looking at the signs of the times, look at where the people are suffering, look at where the people are in need,' " Prejean says. "And I'm kind of a story, or an embodiment, of what happened to nuns out of Vatican II, because it brought me eventually to poor people in New Orleans and to death row."


Prejean began working with convicted murderers. Her memoir, Dead Man Walking, drew the attention of actors Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn. Sarandon won an Oscar for her portrayal of Prejean in the movie based on her book.

Prejean was not unusual. Many sisters threw themselves into social justice ministries and work for the poor. Fiedler, who now hosts the public radio program Interfaith Voices, fasted for 37 days in support of the Equal Rights Amendment. Encouraged by the newfound freedoms, she says, they pushed for more changes.
 
2012-10-11 08:50:15 AM

indylaw: You: basically a slime mold with a keyboard.


I see something I said hit close to home. This is why I try to avoid being personal in my messages, like calling someone a slime mold. I can criticize their belief system -- even call it a mental disease -- without attacking them personally.

Although some don't see it that way, and so they rage, which just makes them look like their belief is some kind of a crutch, which proves my point that it's a mental disease. As a society, we owe it to these victims to see that they get treatment.
 
2012-10-11 08:52:08 AM

zedster: GilRuiz1: Hoover says many young women are flocking to more conservative orders.

That's unexpected. Why would more conservative religious orders be more popular with the youts of today?

actually makes a lot of sense, the more liberal have either left the fold or become lay people in outreach/social justice organizations. This leaves the more strict adherents as the ones becoming nuns


I'd love to see how many women in general are becoming nuns nowadays. In this country anyway, I doubt its very many.

My mom went to Catholic school in the 60s, and knew like a dozen girls who planned on being nuns when they were older (no word on whether any of them actually went through with it). But I dated a girl for a while who went to a Catholic school about 3x bigger, and she didn't know one.
 
2012-10-11 08:52:32 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: I don't get this criticism, NPR never seemed super liberal to me and I am a libertarian.


Actually, I think both are true. Rich white people tend to like boutique Communism. This has been consistent since the 1920s. This is where the term "SWPL" came from, perhaps.
 
2012-10-11 09:03:22 AM

sodomizer: This is why I try to avoid being personal in my messages


try harder

slime mold with keyboards tend to post stuff like:

sodomizer: even call it a mental disease


sodomizer: belief is some kind of a crutch, which proves my point that it's a mental disease. As a society, we owe it to these victims to see that they get treatment


not attacking you personally, just calling out what slime molds with keyboards post
 
2012-10-11 09:03:56 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: StreetlightInTheGhetto: pkellmey: I don't see nuns but just a bunch of old ladies complaining about the past. Get over it already. You've known your orders since you enlisted and if you wish to continue in your current line of work, you need to follow the directions as given. It is a pretty easy matter.

And you suck.

They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma. Where have I heard that before...

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

Oh yeah, there it is.

/you rock, ladies
//keep fighting the good fight

What do the teachings of Christ have to do with Christianity?


More specifically Catholicism.... at lest 3/4 of their dogma was non existent in the original apostles and pre 300 church writings.. all that changed when Rome stole the faith.
 
2012-10-11 09:04:30 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: pkellmey: StreetlightInTheGhetto: They contend it has always been their orders to put helping the less fortunate and helping to ease injustices over stupid church dogma.

That's hilarious. I would love for them to have cited that when they took their vows. So the claim has become not only are they old crabby women, but now they are dementia patients as well.

Prejean was glad to see the habits go. When she entered the Sisters of St. Joseph at age 17, she says, the nuns were cordoned off from the world to pursue holiness and prayer.

The call to be engaged with the world was not a call to throw the baby out with the bath water, doctrinally speaking or any other way.

"Then Vatican II came along and said, 'Start looking at the signs of the times, look at where the people are suffering, look at where the people are in need,' " Prejean says. "And I'm kind of a story, or an embodiment, of what happened to nuns out of Vatican II, because it brought me eventually to poor people in New Orleans and to death row."

Prejean began working with convicted murderers. Her memoir, Dead Man Walking, drew the attention of actors Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn. Sarandon won an Oscar for her portrayal of Prejean in the movie based on her book.

Prejean was not unusual. Many sisters threw themselves into social justice ministries and work for the poor. Fiedler, who now hosts the public radio program Interfaith Voices, fasted for 37 days in support of the Equal Rights Amendment. Encouraged by the newfound freedoms, she says, they pushed for more changes.


Oh, OK. That makes sense. So it is not so much about her questioning her vows of obedience but about her attention seeking nature. That pretty much fits in where I expected it would.
 
2012-10-11 09:08:23 AM

sodomizer: I see something I said hit close to home. This is why I try to avoid being personal in my messages, like calling someone a slime mold. I can criticize their belief system -- even call it a mental disease -- without attacking them personally.


If you say someoen has a mental disease, you are attacking them personally.
 
2012-10-11 09:10:21 AM

rubi_con_man: There's only one... the Church of Chirst.


and do you hail from this thing?
 
2012-10-11 09:13:03 AM
"I found this to be the most exhilarating time in my whole life as a Catholic, because it felt like the petals of a flower were opening..."

Uh, my dear, that was sister Mary Pious diddling you in your sleep.
 
2012-10-11 09:17:02 AM
If you think that NPR is communist propaganda, you just might have serious developmental problems. It would be strongly encouraged to find a mental health professional, if you haven't already written them all off as communists who just want to pollute your liquids and lobotomize faithful American Christians...
 
2012-10-11 09:17:48 AM
My dad went into seminary with the intent of joining the Priesthood in 60 or 61. Then Vatican II happened and he was "disgusted" that they did this whole overhaul of the church and just decided being a priest didn't mean anything anymore. So he dropped out, became a raging man slut, an actor and director of "obscene theater", and has since become a divorcee and remarried despite his pre-Vat II principles.

Yeah, Dad. You dropped out of seminary because it was too liberal.
 
2012-10-11 09:21:36 AM

KatjaMouse: So he dropped out, became a raging man slut, an actor and director of "obscene theater"


See, sometimes these things work out.
 
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