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2012-10-11 01:27:11 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Thallone1: Dafatone: craig328: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections?

Relies on?

Every recent effort to block illegal immigrants from voting (voter roll purges, ID laws,) would block many more legal voters than illegal ones. Estimates say a few million legal voters could have been disenfranchised countrywide by the recent wave of ID laws. Florida tried to purge 180,000 voters from the registry, many of whom were legal.

But no. It's totally that Democrats rely on the illegal vote, and not that stopping millions of legal voters from voting sucks.

Interesting viewpoint. Try squaring this : we shouldn't have to show id to exercise the right to vote, but we *must* show id to exercise the right to bear arms.

Also, you are required to have photo id to drive or cash a check at the bank, how many people would honestly not have an id that would allow that?

I don't know, how about a few million poor people with no bank account and subsequently no job, car or bank?


That go to apply for food-stamps or other government assistance and are (presumably) asked to show id?

Hell, there was even a flap earlier this year at the NAACP convention where to get in to hear VP Biden tell you that requiring ID is unfair, participants had to show 2 forms of photo ID!
 
2012-10-11 01:27:36 PM  

Callous: Republicans are responding to efforts to ballot stuff Democrats


Then you believe without any proof where there actually exists proof to the contrary that democrats are stealing elections. It's only easy to turn around if you completely ignore reality.
 
2012-10-11 01:33:11 PM  

Callous: tecak: Callous:
Look into reality. In the state of MA all the registered voters' names and addresses are posted on the wall just inside the door. All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

I don't know where the Commonwealth you live but this isn't true in my town.

The names and addresses of the voters are at the precinct tables where the election workers hand you your ballot. You walk up, tell them your address and name and they check you off and hand you a vote. After you fill out the ballot you go to a different table, give your name and address, are checked off again and put your ballot in the machine.

In order to commit fraud you'd have to vote for someone who didn't show up and rely on the workers not recognizing you or the person who you're claiming to be.

That's essentially how it works where I vote except that it's a school gym and there are lots of tables in there. The tables are all marked with a letter. The lists are on the wall so you can find your name and see which table you are supposed to go to to get your ballot. The problem is that those lists have all the info you need to claim you are someone else. And since they are forbidden from asking for ID until the second person comes in and claims to be someone they have no idea you are not who you say you are. What are the odds they are going to remember what you looked like even 30 minutes later when they have a dozen people a minute passing in front of them?


I believe what's on the wall in my town is the range of street addresses, not names but I'll verify in November, I've been voting long enough not to have to try to figure out what precinct I am each election so I haven't looked at what's posted on the gym wall in some time.

Yes, the odds are one person might be able to get away with voting for someone else but how easy do you think it would be to commit massive fraud with this system? Also, my town is small enough that the little old ladies at the desks would recognize people coming in multiple times. At the best of times we have a thousand votes cast in an election.

My main issue with the attempts at preventing voter fraud has always been one of timing. Changing the requirements to vote close to an election will disenfranchise some people. I would be content if any laws passed went into effect Jan 1, 2013, giving everyone a year to comply.
 
2012-10-11 01:35:01 PM  

snocone: Five Tails of Fury: Us Canuckistanis don't have to worry about things like this. We use the very advanced "mark an X on the paper with the pencil they give you" technique of voting, which is processed by these strange things called "people" after the polls close.
Strangely, we have no problems with things like hanging chads, balky voting machines, and so forth.
You guys should try it sometime.

I'd rather just send you our farked up partisan criminals.


Hey now, that's kind of mean, you get offered a solution, and you offer to send your government up here!?
For your information, we already have a senate, and they don't do anything either! :)
 
2012-10-11 01:36:17 PM  

trappedspirit: I didn't say that I didn't like them. I just prefer the decisions non-idiots make. If someone can't figure out that there is an election every 2 years and you must be registered to vote and there are processes out there to handle getting this done and you shouldn't wait till the last minute, then they probably have a high chance of causing a fatal accident on the way to their voting location or somehow end up burning the place down through ignorance or stupidity. And I'm not going to have the deaths of innocent voters on my hands.


Ah. So you're trolling. Good.
 
2012-10-11 01:42:05 PM  

Jormungandr: snocone: Five Tails of Fury: Us Canuckistanis don't have to worry about things like this. We use the very advanced "mark an X on the paper with the pencil they give you" technique of voting, which is processed by these strange things called "people" after the polls close.
Strangely, we have no problems with things like hanging chads, balky voting machines, and so forth.
You guys should try it sometime.

I'd rather just send you our farked up partisan criminals.

Hey now, that's kind of mean, you get offered a solution, and you offer to send your government up here!?
For your information, we already have a senate, and they don't do anything either! :)


I was going to suggest we take them, then give them to Quebec and watch the fun. Is that against the Geneva Conventions? I'm not sure.
 
2012-10-11 01:44:08 PM  
There are 3 issues with voter fraud that need solved.
1. Ensuring voting machines are not manipulated.
2. Ensuring that each voter is who they say they are.
3. Ensuring absentee ballots are verified without throwing out tons of them because someone signed their name a little differently than the card on record they signed 20 years ago.

This article is about the first one, which I haven't seen anyone protest against finding a way to verify their correctness.
The second one is being protested by people claiming that proving who you are in order to vote is disenfranchising to minorities, without offering an alternative solution to voter ID's.
The third isn't being talked about much now, but is still as big a problem as it was back in 2000. I wouldn't even consider voting absentee. My signature would be thrown out cause I can never sign the same way twice.
 
2012-10-11 01:45:17 PM  
 
2012-10-11 01:54:28 PM  
MarkEC: There are 3 issues with voter fraud that need solved.
1. Ensuring voting machines are not manipulated.
2. Ensuring that each voter is who they say they are.
3. Ensuring absentee ballots are verified without throwing out tons of them because someone signed their name a little differently than the card on record they signed 20 years ago.

This article is about the first one, which I haven't seen anyone protest against finding a way to verify their correctness.
The second one is being protested by people claiming that proving who you are in order to vote is disenfranchising to minorities, without offering an alternative solution to voter ID's.
The third isn't being talked about much now, but is still as big a problem as it was back in 2000. I wouldn't even consider voting absentee. My signature would be thrown out cause I can never sign the same way twice.


Well in most non swing states 3 is solved because unless the margin is less than the number of absentee votes they don't even count them.
 
2012-10-11 02:01:05 PM  

Callous: Republicans are responding to efforts to ballot stuff Democrats


That's a bit harsh. I don't think a decent person would try to stuff a Democrat full of ballots.
 
2012-10-11 02:04:21 PM  

Oldiron_79: MarkEC: There are 3 issues with voter fraud that need solved.
1. Ensuring voting machines are not manipulated.
2. Ensuring that each voter is who they say they are.
3. Ensuring absentee ballots are verified without throwing out tons of them because someone signed their name a little differently than the card on record they signed 20 years ago.

This article is about the first one, which I haven't seen anyone protest against finding a way to verify their correctness.
The second one is being protested by people claiming that proving who you are in order to vote is disenfranchising to minorities, without offering an alternative solution to voter ID's.
The third isn't being talked about much now, but is still as big a problem as it was back in 2000. I wouldn't even consider voting absentee. My signature would be thrown out cause I can never sign the same way twice.

Well in most non swing states 3 is solved because unless the margin is less than the number of absentee votes they don't even count them.


They are still counted after the fact. Even if the the Presidential election is a wide margin, there are many other races being decided. An absentee ballot should not come down to "this T in the signature doesn't look the same to me" from a government worker. That's just as bad as a hanging chad.
 
2012-10-11 02:16:28 PM  
After Barry gets his ass beaten in November, two things will happen.

1 - He will happily go write more books about himself while living in luxury
2 - His disciples will be in full-panic mode coming up with excuses

I see you are already preparing for #2, farkers. Impressive diligence!
 
2012-10-11 02:24:34 PM  

Lunaville: digitalrain: OH - and another thing.... the whole premise of the opposition to these voter ID laws is that requiring
legal ID in order to vote is unfair to the poor - a large number of whom happen to be minorities, right?

Don't most states require some form of legal ID in order to apply for welfare benefits?

Presumably, people who are ON welfare already have one of the required forms of ID under the
voter ID laws. So why is requiring it for welfare eligibility OK but requiring it to vote is unfair?

I lived for nearly two decades as a young adult with no ID. I did not own a car. The nice lady who managed the largest bank in my hometown had been my mothers' best friend in high school. She knew the only DMV was on the other side of the county and that I would need a car to get there. She vouched for me and I opened an account when I was 17 or 18. I sometimes had employers cash my checks for me anyway, but my grandparents taught me to save so I opened a savings account. I did not have a checking account.

I have never been on welfare. My family did qualify for free lunch when my siblings and I were kids, but, despite my cheap-ass fathers' protestations, we refused to accept it. Back then, to receive free lunch, the homeroom teacher called your name out aloud and you had to do a walk of shame in front of the whole class to get your free lunch token. As I left home at 17 and worked two to three jobs at a time to support myself and put myself through school, I resent that you think everyone who is working class is on welfare.

I am old enough to remember when my flimsy, paper voter registration card was all I needed to vote. The county I was from was sparsely populated. The only polling station was downtown on the campus of the local military school. The first election I was eligible to vote, I walked over, greeted some of the school staff I was acquainted with and got in line. Shortly thereafter, someone mentioned that my grandmother was some distance behind me in line ...


Whoa...hold up there, Speed. Show me where I *ever* said that everyone who is working class is
on welfare. Go on...show me.
 
2012-10-11 02:46:06 PM  
Round up republicans and put them in a pen. Sing it. It's catchy.
 
2012-10-11 02:54:49 PM  

MarkEC: Lunaville

You have to show ID when you buy a fire arm so that a background check can be run on you. This is a precaution designed to keep firearms out of the hands of people who have recently been paroled from a murder conviction or who have been diagnosed with psychosis.

In case you're wondering, the individual who held us hostage was a resident of a mental hospital. He purchased the gun the same day he took us hostage. There were no background checks required at that time and the pawn shop owner who sold him the gun pointed out that he did not break any laws when he sold that weapon to a known mental patient.

As I see it, you can thank that pawn shop owner and others like him for the ID and background check requirements. Also, my right to not be shot in the head, because one mans' rights end where another mans' rights begin, I consider it greater than your right to purchase a gun johnny-on-the-spot.

Even though I am a firm supporter of the second amendment, I have no trouble at all with ensuring that those not eligible to bear arms don't buy guns. Do you have a problem with ensuring those not eligible to vote do not in fact vote?


I have a problem with the assertion that voting is a right. It is not a right. It is a responsibility. I have a problem with the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people within the community in which I grew up did not vote and would not have voted if you had followed behind them to beat them toward the polling station with a piece of bamboo. I have a problem with the fact that voting is not required in this country as it is in Australia. In a nation where far too many people can't be bothered to vote once, I have a problem with pretending there's been a rush of people vying to vote repeatedly. I have a problem with dishonesty be it outright or implied dishonesty.
 
2012-10-11 02:56:51 PM  
This is worth a look. Black Box Voting Watchdogs
 
2012-10-11 03:03:43 PM  

digitalrain: OH - and another thing.... the whole premise of the opposition to these voter ID laws is that requiring
legal ID in order to vote is unfair to the poor - a large number of whom happen to be minorities, right?

Don't most states require some form of legal ID in order to apply for welfare benefits?

Presumably, people who are ON welfare already have one of the required forms of ID under the
voter ID laws. So why is requiring it for welfare eligibility OK but requiring it to vote is unfair?


Are you stating that the emphasized line was not intended to imply that everyone who is working class is on welfare? Or perhaps you believe there is a bevy of upper middle class housewives tooling around in their SUVs and station wagons without ID?

Again, I have a problem with dishonesty whether it is implied or outright dishonesty.
 
2012-10-11 03:16:35 PM  

Callous: GoldSpider: digitalrain: Requiring voters to have legal identification is racist and disenfranchises minorities and the poor.

Try "Requiring voters to have legal identification is more likely to affect the poor, of whom a large number are minorities."

Make them free. Problem solved.


but I'm too fat to leave my house to get the ID
 
2012-10-11 03:17:57 PM  

Xenomech: For the sake of your country and for the sake of the entire world, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THIS NOVEMBER!!! 

Stop voting those people into power! No more political parties!


i.qkme.me
 
2012-10-11 03:36:11 PM  

MarkEC: It's not, but owning a gun is, and I need an ID for that.


Private sale. You don't have to buy from Dicks.
 
2012-10-11 03:38:48 PM  
Makeing voting anonymous isn't such a bad thing. It's done wonders for internet debate.
 
2012-10-11 04:11:42 PM  

Lunaville: I have a problem with the assertion that voting is a right. It is not a right. It is a responsibility. I have a problem with the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people within the community in which I grew up did not vote and would not have voted if you had followed behind them to beat them toward the polling station with a piece of bamboo. I have a problem with the fact that voting is not required in this country as it is in Australia. In a nation where far too many people can't be bothered to vote once, I have a problem with pretending there's been a rush of people vying to vote repeatedly. I have a problem with dishonesty be it outright or implied dishonesty.


I disagree. I think that you should have to be able to name either one branch of the US government or one Supreme Court Justice (living OR dead) before being allowed to vote. Too many people vote who are simply not well enough informed.
 
2012-10-11 04:45:04 PM  

acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"


You haven't been living in Minnesota since Franken beat Coleman.
 
2012-10-11 04:57:07 PM  

MarkEC: When Al Franken won by 312 votes after endless recounts, 12000 absentee ballets were thrown out and 177 people were convicted of voter fraud for voting while being a felon. ..


You fail at facts.

http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-m a de-franken-us-senator?page=0%2C1
 
2012-10-11 05:01:52 PM  

Phineas: Time Warner is one of the biggest Obama contributers. If you want to talk about donors trying to influence an election, i'd be much more worried about some mass media outlet viewed by millions of people for years than some voting machine whose programming and mechanics can be scrutinized prior to the election.


Well, if it's okay for Fox to be the propaganda channel for the Republicans...
 
2012-10-11 06:05:49 PM  

fuhldang: MarkEC: When Al Franken won by 312 votes after endless recounts, 12000 absentee ballets were thrown out and 177 people were convicted of voter fraud for voting while being a felon. ..

You fail at facts.

http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-m a de-franken-us-senator?page=0%2C1


Your own messed up link says that there were 157 voter fraud convictions according to a "A spokesman for The Minnesota Court Information Office" but they don't know which election the cases were involved in.
Is AlterNet the leftist version of World Net Daily or what?

And btw, I did not make any claim that the felon vote was responsible for Franken's win. At the end of the day, he won and that's that. Wouldn't it be much better if we could eliminate such possibilities in future elections? Want to delete dead people off the voter rolls? Ends up in a court battle. Want to purge convicted felons? Court again. Institute Voter ID? You guessed it, back in court. What measures do you propose that would make the elections more fraud free?
 
2012-10-11 06:16:59 PM  

Lunaville: In Georgia the implementation of electronic voting machines was, initially, supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. Both parties are now complacent about the utter lack of accountability that comes with a lack of a paper receipt. At this time, only the Libertarians are serious about addressing this shortcoming in our election process.

A street side ice-cream vendor can generate a paper receipt with little more than his cell phone, but we are supposed to believe it is impossible to generate a paper receipt at the voting booth. Bullsh-t.

It doesn't matter whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a member of a third party, or an independent voter; every voter should receive a paper receipt allowing him or her to verify that the votes cast were recorded correctly. This would increase voter confidence in our elections and allow for effective recounts when necessary. Most importantly, it would help bolster the integrity of our elections.


Yeah, it would. I don't agree with the Libertarians on a whole lot, but for that and drug policies they are spot on.
 
2012-10-11 06:31:28 PM  

markfara: Mrbogey: No proof of e-voting machines ever being hacked ergo this is a made up problem.

There were several reported instances in 2000 of voting machines being pre-loaded with Bush votes. Look it up. (Hint: put "Diebold" somewhere in your Google search.)


hint: look at the name, google Bogey Man
 
2012-10-11 08:15:35 PM  

fireclown: Lunaville: I have a problem with the assertion that voting is a right. It is not a right. It is a responsibility. I have a problem with the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people within the community in which I grew up did not vote and would not have voted if you had followed behind them to beat them toward the polling station with a piece of bamboo. I have a problem with the fact that voting is not required in this country as it is in Australia. In a nation where far too many people can't be bothered to vote once, I have a problem with pretending there's been a rush of people vying to vote repeatedly. I have a problem with dishonesty be it outright or implied dishonesty.

I disagree. I think that you should have to be able to name either one branch of the US government or one Supreme Court Justice (living OR dead) before being allowed to vote. Too many people vote who are simply not well enough informed.


As long as we're blocking people from exercising their nearly sacred responsibility to their country, why stop with a single question. Why not implement a test? Maybe something like this Link

Or you could stop hiding behind a thin patina of reasonableness and admit that both you and your suggestion are unethical.
 
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