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2012-10-11 11:24:57 AM  

Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

and if you happened to have picked someone who had already voted or will come to vote later you have just committed a federal felony in front of respected members of the community, If you don't mind committing federal felonies you probably are not a big voter to begin with. All your crackpot scenarios involve some ocean's 11 esque conspiracy all to get 1 extra vote, it's idiotic.

And I'm sure that if I were to do that in the morning that when the real person comes in in the evening everyone is going to remember exactly who I was amongst the thousands of people that filed through the place that day. Oh wait they didn't ID me, they have no idea who I was and therefore can't charge me. Where I vote is in a middle school gymnasium and there are no cameras. So by the standards established up thread since they have no idea who I was and can't charge me it never happened.

for one those votes wouldn't be counted and for two there would be an investigation because it is a federal felony, you know, kind of a serious crime... Can you come up with a single farking reason why a person would commit such a crime unless you truly believe that there are people out there who are such zealots for the democratic party they would do that, it's like fundie muslim level of loyalty to allah you'd have to think democrats were the greatest farking thing ever.


If there's no system in place to catch them why wouldn't they? How can they not count that vote? No one is tracking who gets which ballot. I fill it out and drop it in the box. Once it's in there no one knows which one it is.
 
2012-10-11 11:25:12 AM  

lordjupiter: mcsmiley: lordjupiter: acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"

No, more like

(Dem wins) Repubs: Voter fraud! Change all the rules! Redistrict! They're only voting for him because he's black! Dismantle the entire party and reform as "independents" with even more extreme beliefs, then run as Republicans-who-aren't-Republicans! And when you win by calling the other guy a socialist nazi muslim black panther Kenyan, do everything you can to halt the political process until the next election so you can get the black guy out of office!


I think that's a better summary.

You forgot, "He's not a real murrican, He's ineligibul"

Heh, that's why I said "kenyan". Hard to fit all the wackery into one concise post.

Let's not forget the legal challenges in various states that the GOP brought following elections. Hardly "damn, we lost".


Yes, but you also would have missed the Hawaii wasn't/isn't part of the US, and the both parents/father need to be US citizens too.
 
2012-10-11 11:26:00 AM  

Xenomech: For the sake of your country and for the sake of the entire world, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THIS NOVEMBER!!! 

Stop voting those people into power! No more political parties!


If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

So vote Johnson if the other 2 candidates "suck" in your opinion. Or ...whoever the Green Party candidate is.
 
2012-10-11 11:26:08 AM  

trappedspirit: GoldSpider: digitalrain: Requiring voters to have legal identification is racist and disenfranchises minorities and the poor.

Try "Requiring voters to have legal identification is more likely to affect the poor, of whom a large number are minorities."

Requiring voters to have legal identification is more likely to affect idiots that I don't want selecting the president anyway. The problem solves itself.


Thanks for proving my point.
 
2012-10-11 11:26:22 AM  

Oldiron_79: Not this shiat again. So the same machines that was rigged in '04 was working fine in '08, amirite?


Apparently....

plewis: I just... I'm out of disgust. The democrats are going to loose Ohio because of this crap, I'd bet money on it. I farking weep and scream for the soul of this country. I don't necessarily want democrats to win but I do want a government that works and is functional at whatever level we the people set. The republicans, they simply hate all government now, all of it, unless it's to enforce strict biblical law. How is this unlike the Taliban? And ends justify the means, apparently, because they already bought Ohio. farkers!

 
2012-10-11 11:26:37 AM  

GoldSpider: The point is you need to have certain documentation to get a photo ID, and that documentation isn't always easy to get.


It's easier to get if you were born here.
 
2012-10-11 11:28:36 AM  

GoldSpider: MarkEC: Persons who want the new Department of State Voter ID will need to provide their

Name
Address
Date of Birth
Social Security number (If the customer has been issued an SSN)
County
Previous name and/or address if changed in the past 12 months.

That is all you need! They search the voter rolls and address info and viola, you get an ID!

If that were the case, I don't think I'd have seen news reports of people being turned away and told to come back with "proper documentation".


If a State requires documentation for voter ID, then they probably required the same documentation for you to register to vote in the first place, so you already have said documentation. As my link states, PA doesn't require any documentation, only that you be registered to vote already and provide information that they can check on. If you are not registered to vote already, it will be kicked out. (you can register to vote in the same place) If your address is new or you don't have an SSN, they may put it on hold till they verify your info.
 
2012-10-11 11:30:33 AM  

MarkEC: If a State requires documentation for voter ID, then they probably required the same documentation for you to register to vote in the first place, so you already have said documentation.


including a photo on the voter ID card would be helpful.
 
2012-10-11 11:30:57 AM  

sodomizer: Callous: When there's no method in place of verifying that the person is who they say they are how is that proof to ever exist?

Where I vote all you need to get a ballot is a name and address. Conveniently, they are all posted on the wall right inside the door.

Exactly.

Democrats want zero responsibility to identify yourself as an actual living, non-criminal, legal citizen.

They also want to make sure overseas armed forces aren't able to vote.

This maximizes the Democratic coalition who want benefits (Romney's "47%").

It's unpopular to say this on the internet, but you can see how the Democrats on Fark squirm when it's mentioned.

They don't like the light of truth shining on their shady practices. For them, it's all about wanting to be on the winning team.

I'll say it again: liberalism is a mental disease spread by misery. Notice how miserable the most prominent liberals here, and in the press, are.


Look, dude, you're working too hard. If you want to be remembered as one of the greatest Fark trolls, there's a specific formula for achieving it. Simply put, you have to wait till enough of the initial TFers have had their say with logic and good common sense. Then, when it gets to us liters, you have to rip a full blast of Poe's Law ultraderp in one cataclysmic comment. Then, you sit back and watch the unwary debate against your strawman. If you break the silence afterwards, you end up in the Ignorezone with Thunderpipes; too much yammering gets you cut off from your prospective audience. Better luck on your next alt.
 
2012-10-11 11:34:32 AM  

Callous: Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

and if you happened to have picked someone who had already voted or will come to vote later you have just committed a federal felony in front of respected members of the community, If you don't mind committing federal felonies you probably are not a big voter to begin with. All your crackpot scenarios involve some ocean's 11 esque conspiracy all to get 1 extra vote, it's idiotic.

And I'm sure that if I were to do that in the morning that when the real person comes in in the evening everyone is going to remember exactly who I was amongst the thousands of people that filed through the place that day. Oh wait they didn't ID me, they have no idea who I was and therefore can't charge me. Where I vote is in a middle school gymnasium and there are no cameras. So by the standards established up thread since they have no idea who I was and can't charge me it never happened.

for one those votes wouldn't be counted and for two there would be an investigation because it is a federal felony, you know, kind of a serious crime... Can you come up with a single farking reason why a person would commit such a crime unless you truly believe that there are people out there who are such zealots for the democratic party they would do that, it's like fundie muslim level of loyalty to allah you'd have to think democrats were the greatest farking thing ever.

If there's no system in place to catch them why wouldn't they? How can they not count that vote? No one is tracking who gets which ballot. I fill it out and drop it in the box. Once it's in there no one knows which one it is.


red flags are raised when 2 people vote under the same name and there is a system to catch people. come one man, people don't even vote legally but you are acting like you have a logical argument when you say there are all these people out there stealing elections for democrats by voting twice but yet it has never been uncovered.

Do you truly believe republicans are suddenly taking this issue up as champions of democracy and democrats have been stealing elections all these years?
 
2012-10-11 11:36:34 AM  

fireclown: MarkEC: If a State requires documentation for voter ID, then they probably required the same documentation for you to register to vote in the first place, so you already have said documentation.

including a photo on the voter ID card would be helpful.


The new photo card is called a ...................... Voter ID Card!
 
2012-10-11 11:38:12 AM  

Callous: GoldSpider: Callous: Make them free. Problem solved.

*Free IDs only available with proper (read: you don't likely have it handy) documentation, at locations inaccessible from your home, during hours when you are at work.

So yeah, not necessarily.

If what I had to go through to get my gun permit is acceptable for a Constitutionally protected right, getting your sorry arse to the registry to get a free ID is acceptable. If you can't get to the registry on any day of the week that you choose how do you get to the polling place on a specific day of the year?


I thought employees were required to allow you to vote.

Not so much about the other part.

Off to et my ID for 4th ammendment. I've been putting it off for a while now.
 
2012-10-11 11:38:36 AM  

trappedspirit: Requiring voters to have legal identification is more likely to affect idiots that I don't want selecting the president anyway. The problem solves itself.


"Disenfranchising some voters is OK because I don't like those voters"

Wow. I truly hope you are trolling.
 
2012-10-11 11:39:34 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: sodomizer: After all, liberalism is a mental disease spread through misery.

So, how many times do you have to say something to make it true? Is it a set number, or does it work on a sort of sliding scale?


I dunno, but it seems like conservatives would have no opposition if they stopped causing so much misery.
 
2012-10-11 11:44:39 AM  
On a similar subject, many places in PA you are required to show ID to buy alcohol no matter how old you look. PA has had a non-driver photo ID available for years. I'm not sure if this new voter ID card is a substitute for it or not.
I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.
 
2012-10-11 11:49:27 AM  

MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.


It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.
 
2012-10-11 11:50:08 AM  

xanadian: Xenomech: For the sake of your country and for the sake of the entire world, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THIS NOVEMBER!!! 

Stop voting those people into power! No more political parties!

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

So vote Johnson if the other 2 candidates "suck" in your opinion. Or ...whoever the Green Party candidate is.


A Rush quote in an American voting thread. You must be from America's hat.
 
2012-10-11 11:54:18 AM  
You know, I think we should be pleased with how much money the insane right wingers in the US are spending polluting Fark with their feces. It means our chosen forum is important enough to warrant attention.
I wonder if the paid trolls get paid per word or per post, or by the hour, or what.
 
2012-10-11 12:01:11 PM  
Only liberals would think showing ID to vote is a bad thing...
 
2012-10-11 12:02:23 PM  

Farking Canuck: Ummm ... what would it prove? A machine rigged to change your D vote to an R vote could easily also print out a D receipt. The piece of paper is false security ... unless it was printed by an unrelated auditing company that had a system that just monitored votes and printed receipts.


Brazil has such a system, it's called "voter verified paper trail". You don't get to keep the paper copy, the paper copy is printed out by the machine, you see it, then you approve it. It gets dropped into a lock box. After the election is complete, the electronic total of votes is spit out. A percentage of precincts are randomly chosen and then those precincts are recounted by hand. If the electronic count doesn't match the paper count, ALL the precincts are counted by hand.
 
2012-10-11 12:08:56 PM  

Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

and if you happened to have picked someone who had already voted or will come to vote later you have just committed a federal felony in front of respected members of the community, If you don't mind committing federal felonies you probably are not a big voter to begin with. All your crackpot scenarios involve some ocean's 11 esque conspiracy all to get 1 extra vote, it's idiotic.

And I'm sure that if I were to do that in the morning that when the real person comes in in the evening everyone is going to remember exactly who I was amongst the thousands of people that filed through the place that day. Oh wait they didn't ID me, they have no idea who I was and therefore can't charge me. Where I vote is in a middle school gymnasium and there are no cameras. So by the standards established up thread since they have no idea who I was and can't charge me it never happened.

for one those votes wouldn't be counted and for two there would be an investigation because it is a federal felony, you know, kind of a serious crime... Can you come up with a single farking reason why a person would commit such a crime unless you truly believe that there are people out there who are such zealots for the democratic party they would do that, it's like fundie muslim level of loyalty to allah you'd have to think democrats were the greatest farking thing ever.

If there's no system in place to catch them why wouldn't they? How can they not count that vote? No one is tracking who gets which ballot. I fill it out and drop it in the box. Once it's in there no one knows which one it is.

red flags are raised when 2 people vote under the same name and there is a system to catch people. come one man, people don't even vote legally but you are acting like you have a logical argument when you say there are all these ...


10. The number of in-person voter fraud cases that have been proven nationwide since 2000.
 
2012-10-11 12:09:36 PM  

Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

and if you happened to have picked someone who had already voted or will come to vote later you have just committed a federal felony in front of respected members of the community, If you don't mind committing federal felonies you probably are not a big voter to begin with. All your crackpot scenarios involve some ocean's 11 esque conspiracy all to get 1 extra vote, it's idiotic.

And I'm sure that if I were to do that in the morning that when the real person comes in in the evening everyone is going to remember exactly who I was amongst the thousands of people that filed through the place that day. Oh wait they didn't ID me, they have no idea who I was and therefore can't charge me. Where I vote is in a middle school gymnasium and there are no cameras. So by the standards established up thread since they have no idea who I was and can't charge me it never happened.

for one those votes wouldn't be counted and for two there would be an investigation because it is a federal felony, you know, kind of a serious crime... Can you come up with a single farking reason why a person would commit such a crime unless you truly believe that there are people out there who are such zealots for the democratic party they would do that, it's like fundie muslim level of loyalty to allah you'd have to think democrats were the greatest farking thing ever.

If there's no system in place to catch them why wouldn't they? How can they not count that vote? No one is tracking who gets which ballot. I fill it out and drop it in the box. Once it's in there no one knows which one it is.

red flags are raised when 2 people vote under the same name and there is a system to catch people. come one man, people don't even vote legally but you are acting like you have a logical argument when you say there are all these ...


And since they are forbidden to ask for ID who do they believe, the guy standing in front of them saying he is Jim Smith or the guy that voted hours ago whose face and ballot they can no longer identify that said he was Jim Smith?

Do you truly believe Democrats are suddenly defending this issue as champions of voter rights and republicans are just trying to steal elections?
 
2012-10-11 12:15:09 PM  

Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.


Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.


Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.
 
2012-10-11 12:16:21 PM  

Callous: Do you truly believe Democrats are suddenly defending this issue as champions of voter rights and republicans are just trying to steal elections?


I can honestly state that the above statement is absolutely what I believe. Sorry, if you don't like that, but I sincerely believe that some Republicans are trying to steal elections while Democrats, when they deign to bestir themselves on the topic, are acting in a limited way to defend voter rights. I think you can tell from my lackluster endorsement of the Democrats that I feel a great deal more could be done to defend the rights of voters. It would be nice if the Democrats would get their butts in gear.
 
2012-10-11 12:17:12 PM  

sodomizer: Arthurgoboom: .the fact that there are so many idiots like sodomizer who buy all of this bullshiat and actually would want to vote for Rmoney means that we have already lost.

What bullshiat have I bought into?

Romney's a better leader and I like what he'll do with this country more than what Obama will do (and has done).

That's all I as a voter am required to do.

And your problem with this, other than that you disagree of course, is what exactly?


So, you like the following abbreviated list things that Romney will attempt to railroad into law:

1. Terminate an efficient provider of women's gynecological health.
2. Prevent gay and bi couples from marrying.
3. Legally define rape so as to not include all forms of involuntary sexual activity.
4. Allow extremely high income earners to continue to pay a much lower effective tax rate than midrange and low level earners.
5. Increase spending on military while allowing people to starve and freeze because social programs have been cut to offset the increase in military spending.

My problem with all of this is that it is discriminatory against groups of citizens for no good reason other than, "fark you, that's why". I can not force myself to respect anyone that can look at that list above and say, "yeah, that's my guy!".

/I know, don't feed the trolls
//Sorry.
 
2012-10-11 12:17:54 PM  

Misch: Farking Canuck: Ummm ... what would it prove? A machine rigged to change your D vote to an R vote could easily also print out a D receipt. The piece of paper is false security ... unless it was printed by an unrelated auditing company that had a system that just monitored votes and printed receipts.

Brazil has such a system, it's called "voter verified paper trail". You don't get to keep the paper copy, the paper copy is printed out by the machine, you see it, then you approve it. It gets dropped into a lock box. After the election is complete, the electronic total of votes is spit out. A percentage of precincts are randomly chosen and then those precincts are recounted by hand. If the electronic count doesn't match the paper count, ALL the precincts are counted by hand.


That sounds reasonable.
 
2012-10-11 12:18:27 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: trappedspirit: Requiring voters to have legal identification is more likely to affect idiots that I don't want selecting the president anyway. The problem solves itself.

"Disenfranchising some voters is OK because I don't like those voters"

Wow. I truly hope you are trolling.


I didn't say that I didn't like them. I just prefer the decisions non-idiots make. If someone can't figure out that there is an election every 2 years and you must be registered to vote and there are processes out there to handle getting this done and you shouldn't wait till the last minute, then they probably have a high chance of causing a fatal accident on the way to their voting location or somehow end up burning the place down through ignorance or stupidity. And I'm not going to have the deaths of innocent voters on my hands.
 
2012-10-11 12:18:48 PM  

MarkEC: Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.


I didn't know that staying in a hotel was a Constitutional right.
 
2012-10-11 12:20:42 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not going to get all tinfoily just yet, but it is pretty goddamn stupid that we allow companies which will benefit one way or another based on the outcome of an election to supply closed-box voting "solutions" for those elections.

Voting machines, the way we do them, are bullshiat through and through. Release the farking source code and instantiate an audit-able paper trail.

cdn.twentytwowords.com
/oblig


If the companies like Diebold supported democrats, there would be at least 3 major networks doing 24-hour coverage "Special investigations" where they let conspiracy theorists make shiat up and sat their nodding and saying, "well that IS some interesting information..."
 
2012-10-11 12:20:52 PM  

MarkEC: Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.


A hotel room!?! Back when I owned no car, if I went out of town, I either stayed with relatives or I slept on the floor in the domicile of some guy that new some guy who knew me.

On the plus side you've verified my suspicion that you are in no way, shape or form evil. You have merely led an over sheltered life. Bless your heart, you don't know any better.
 
2012-10-11 12:24:06 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: MarkEC: Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.

I didn't know that staying in a hotel was a Constitutional right.


It's not, but owning a gun is, and I need an ID for that.
Every citizen that isn't a felon has the right to vote, and the government has the responsibility to ensure that the voting isn't fraudulent. How can you ensure that someone that is voting is doing so legitimately without properly Identifying them? Please explain that to me in detail.
 
2012-10-11 12:25:15 PM  

Callous: Do you truly believe Democrats are suddenly defending this issue as champions of voter rights and republicans are just trying to steal elections?


Democrats are responding to efforts to disenfranchise their voters by republicans so yes I honestly believe their efforts are in response to them losing votes from people who don't own an ID for a variety of reasons.

So now you go, do you honestly believe republicans are trying to protect democracy here and not trying to limit voters?
 
2012-10-11 12:26:44 PM  

MarkEC: Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.


ok, not sure what that has to do with voting though
 
2012-10-11 12:34:43 PM  

Callous:
Look into reality. In the state of MA all the registered voters' names and addresses are posted on the wall just inside the door. All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

I don't know where the Commonwealth you live but this isn't true in my town.

The names and addresses of the voters are at the precinct tables where the election workers hand you your ballot. You walk up, tell them your address and name and they check you off and hand you a vote. After you fill out the ballot you go to a different table, give your name and address, are checked off again and put your ballot in the machine.

In order to commit fraud you'd have to vote for someone who didn't show up and rely on the workers not recognizing you or the person who you're claiming to be.
 
2012-10-11 12:36:00 PM  

plewis: I just... I'm out of disgust. The democrats are going to loose Ohio because of this crap, I'd bet money on it. I farking weep and scream for the soul of this country. I don't necessarily want democrats to win but I do want a government that works and is functional at whatever level we the people set. The republicans, they simply hate all government now, all of it, unless it's to enforce strict biblical law. How is this unlike the Taliban? And ends justify the means, apparently, because they already bought Ohio. farkers!


Let it go, 'cause it is gone.
 
2012-10-11 12:36:52 PM  

MarkEC: StoPPeRmobile: MarkEC: Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Headso: MarkEC: I was in line at a Giant Eagle near me and some older guy in front of me was refused service when he couldn't provide an ID to purchase alcohol. He biatched up a storm. then stomped out and got in his car and drove away.

It sounds like you are using a story about an idiotic application of a law to advocate for another idiotic application of a law.

Nope, just pointing out that you need an ID for a lot more than driving and voting. Ever stay in a hotel room? rent anything? You probably were asked for ID.

I didn't know that staying in a hotel was a Constitutional right.

It's not, but owning a gun is, and I need an ID for that.
Every citizen that isn't a felon has the right to vote, and the government has the responsibility to ensure that the voting isn't fraudulent. How can you ensure that someone that is voting is doing so legitimately without properly Identifying them? Please explain that to me in detail.


As a person who was held hostage, along with four teachers and all classmates from a particular grade, in elementary school; I can speak to this concern. You see, you can not hold your voter registration card up to the head of a child and threaten him or her with a statement like "Shut up or I will take you out of this world." Yes, you could try, but you would be unsuccessful and you would look silly.

Nor could you walk into a liquor store and rob it with your "I Voted" sticker.

You have to show ID when you buy a fire arm so that a background check can be run on you. This is a precaution designed to keep firearms out of the hands of people who have recently been paroled from a murder conviction or who have been diagnosed with psychosis.

In case you're wondering, the individual who held us hostage was a resident of a mental hospital. He purchased the gun the same day he took us hostage. There were no background checks required at that time and the pawn shop owner who sold him the gun pointed out that he did not break any laws when he sold that weapon to a known mental patient.

As I see it, you can thank that pawn shop owner and others like him for the ID and background check requirements. Also, my right to not be shot in the head, because one mans' rights end where another mans' rights begin, I consider it greater than your right to purchase a gun johnny-on-the-spot.
 
2012-10-11 12:36:52 PM  

GoldSpider: If that were the case, I don't think I'd have seen news reports of people being turned away and told to come back with "proper documentation".


That's backward thinking. How many were turned away? Did they have these things, or were they dead, criminal or illegal?
 
2012-10-11 12:43:22 PM  

acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"


Wow, you really think republicans would just say "Damn! We lost." Really? You must have lived under a rock the past 4 1/2 years.
 
2012-10-11 12:43:42 PM  
Republicans and Democrats are the problem not the solution. Johnson or Paul or Not At All.
 
2012-10-11 12:43:51 PM  

Arthurgoboom: 1. Terminate an efficient provider of women's gynecological health.


I support this.

If there's a need, the free market will provide it. Nothing is stopping Democrats from pooling their money and handing it out free.

Arthurgoboom: 2. Prevent gay and bi couples from marrying.


I support this. Marriage is geared toward family and biological reproduction.

Arthurgoboom: 3. Legally define rape so as to not include all forms of involuntary sexual activity.


I would need more specificity here. I am concerned with the high rate of false accusations of rape, and want a clear evidence trail before anyone gets convicted.

Arthurgoboom: 4. Allow extremely high income earners to continue to pay a much lower effective tax rate than midrange and low level earners.


At a lower rate? I don't think that's the case. There's a confusion here about the difference between income and gains.

Arthurgoboom: 5. Increase spending on military while allowing people to starve and freeze because social programs have been cut to offset the increase in military spending.


I support cutting all social entitlements because they don't work. People were starving in the 1960s, we implemented the Great Society, and now even more people are starving.

Arthurgoboom: My problem with all of this is that it is discriminatory against groups of citizens


The left likes to define all arguments this way. However, I'm more concerned with actual results, not intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
2012-10-11 12:48:12 PM  
Lunaville

You have to show ID when you buy a fire arm so that a background check can be run on you. This is a precaution designed to keep firearms out of the hands of people who have recently been paroled from a murder conviction or who have been diagnosed with psychosis.

In case you're wondering, the individual who held us hostage was a resident of a mental hospital. He purchased the gun the same day he took us hostage. There were no background checks required at that time and the pawn shop owner who sold him the gun pointed out that he did not break any laws when he sold that weapon to a known mental patient.

As I see it, you can thank that pawn shop owner and others like him for the ID and background check requirements. Also, my right to not be shot in the head, because one mans' rights end where another mans' rights begin, I consider it greater than your right to purchase a gun johnny-on-the-spot.


Even though I am a firm supporter of the second amendment, I have no trouble at all with ensuring that those not eligible to bear arms don't buy guns. Do you have a problem with ensuring those not eligible to vote do not in fact vote?
 
2012-10-11 12:56:58 PM  
Us Canuckistanis don't have to worry about things like this. We use the very advanced "mark an X on the paper with the pencil they give you" technique of voting, which is processed by these strange things called "people" after the polls close.
Strangely, we have no problems with things like hanging chads, balky voting machines, and so forth.
You guys should try it sometime.
 
2012-10-11 01:01:27 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Us Canuckistanis don't have to worry about things like this. We use the very advanced "mark an X on the paper with the pencil they give you" technique of voting, which is processed by these strange things called "people" after the polls close.
Strangely, we have no problems with things like hanging chads, balky voting machines, and so forth.
You guys should try it sometime.


I'd rather just send you our farked up partisan criminals.
 
2012-10-11 01:03:14 PM  
Whichever side cheats best wins.
 
2012-10-11 01:07:01 PM  

BobCumbers: Whichever side cheats best wins.


Tried and true methodology.
 
2012-10-11 01:09:08 PM  

MarkEC: Lunaville

You have to show ID when you buy a fire arm so that a background check can be run on you. This is a precaution designed to keep firearms out of the hands of people who have recently been paroled from a murder conviction or who have been diagnosed with psychosis.

In case you're wondering, the individual who held us hostage was a resident of a mental hospital. He purchased the gun the same day he took us hostage. There were no background checks required at that time and the pawn shop owner who sold him the gun pointed out that he did not break any laws when he sold that weapon to a known mental patient.

As I see it, you can thank that pawn shop owner and others like him for the ID and background check requirements. Also, my right to not be shot in the head, because one mans' rights end where another mans' rights begin, I consider it greater than your right to purchase a gun johnny-on-the-spot.

Even though I am a firm supporter of the second amendment, I have no trouble at all with ensuring that those not eligible to bear arms don't buy guns. Do you have a problem with ensuring those not eligible to vote do not in fact vote?


Those are some bold statements.
 
2012-10-11 01:09:57 PM  
Since we're talking conspiracy theories how about the Jobs report being the best in 30 years 1 month before the election. BTW, No Kenyan Born muslim has ever had a 2nd term as president NOW THAT'S A CONSPIRACY!
 
2012-10-11 01:11:45 PM  

tecak: Callous:
Look into reality. In the state of MA all the registered voters' names and addresses are posted on the wall just inside the door. All you need to get handed a ballot is to be able to spit out a name and matching address that you just read on the list by the door.

I don't know where the Commonwealth you live but this isn't true in my town.

The names and addresses of the voters are at the precinct tables where the election workers hand you your ballot. You walk up, tell them your address and name and they check you off and hand you a vote. After you fill out the ballot you go to a different table, give your name and address, are checked off again and put your ballot in the machine.

In order to commit fraud you'd have to vote for someone who didn't show up and rely on the workers not recognizing you or the person who you're claiming to be.


That's essentially how it works where I vote except that it's a school gym and there are lots of tables in there. The tables are all marked with a letter. The lists are on the wall so you can find your name and see which table you are supposed to go to to get your ballot. The problem is that those lists have all the info you need to claim you are someone else. And since they are forbidden from asking for ID until the second person comes in and claims to be someone they have no idea you are not who you say you are. What are the odds they are going to remember what you looked like even 30 minutes later when they have a dozen people a minute passing in front of them?
 
2012-10-11 01:12:48 PM  

trappedspirit: Those are some bold statements.


lol
Accidentally deleted the "end bold" tag.
 
2012-10-11 01:23:44 PM  

Headso: Callous: Do you truly believe Democrats are suddenly defending this issue as champions of voter rights and republicans are just trying to steal elections?

Democrats are responding to efforts to disenfranchise their voters by republicans so yes I honestly believe their efforts are in response to them losing votes from people who don't own an ID for a variety of reasons.

So now you go, do you honestly believe republicans are trying to protect democracy here and not trying to limit voters?


Republicans are responding to efforts to ballot stuff Democrats so yes I honestly believe their efforts are in response to them losing votes from people who aren't who they say they are.

See how easy it is to turn around.

I don't believe either party is being honest. They are both trying to create an underhanded advantage.
 
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