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2012-10-11 09:36:34 AM

sodomizer: This maximizes the Democratic coalition who want benefits (Romney's "47%").


Fixed.

/If you're gonna troll, do it right, n00b
 
2012-10-11 09:38:04 AM

MyRandomName: TeddyBallGame: Normally I'm not much into conspiracy theory but I've been thinking about this for about a year. The only reason the GOP would shiat the bed like they have in the last year and remain confident is the possibility that they have figured out a way to steal the election. Just saying'.

Their dastardly plan was actually to let Obama be himself on a live debate. Seems to have worked.


As opposed to Romney, who just smirked a lot and continued lying as he has done this entire campaign.
 
2012-10-11 09:38:27 AM

markfara: The right-wing's been b*tching that Bain has contributed about $120,000 to the Obama campaign, so . . . Oh, what's that? Bain executives have contributed about $5 MILLION to Romney? Oh. Well, never mind.


Obama has well outspent Romney, by almost double in swing states. But keep pretending it is Romney beholden to the money of others.
 
2012-10-11 09:38:27 AM

Cythraul: fireclown: Cythraul: How exactly do criminals and illegal aliens vote?

By obtaining someone elses name, address and birthday. I admit, it's a hassle, but it is an easy enough matter that it kind of worries me. Maybe we could consider putting a photo on your voter registration card.

And you have some sort of record, proof I'd say, of something like this happening often?


Link

Link

Both in Iowa. Both in just the past few days. They're only coming to light after the secretary of state recently hired outside investigators to check a random list of 1000 voters against a federal database. In other words: checking one database against another (which should be standard practice but apparently isn't). And those were just the first results before a lawsuit put the checks on hold.

As an aside: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections? Why is one party doing everything they can to block efforts to weed those folk out?
 
2012-10-11 09:39:27 AM
Well, Obama is making sure ballots don't get to military folks, so there is that.
 
2012-10-11 09:39:53 AM

Phineas: Time Warner is one of the biggest Obama contributers. If you want to talk about donors trying to influence an election, i'd be much more worried about some mass media outlet viewed by millions of people for years than some voting machine whose programming and mechanics can be scrutinized prior to the election.


Can be scrutinized?

You realize that the public isn't allowed to see the coding of these machines.
 
2012-10-11 09:40:40 AM

zippyZRX: Oh we are concerned. Concerned that the dead, illegals and your welfare class will all vote many times. Seems it is your side that wants anything and anyone to vote regardless of how many times or if they legally can.


Then you are not paying attention. How many proven cases of voter fraud like you describe have been documented? How many prosecutions?

Zero.

Stop getting your "information" from faux news and Rush. Research primary sources. You're being fed a line of bullshiat, and you're eating it up like it's candy. Stop getting your panties in a wad about a non-existent issue.
 
2012-10-11 09:41:43 AM

craig328: Cythraul: fireclown: Cythraul: How exactly do criminals and illegal aliens vote?

By obtaining someone elses name, address and birthday. I admit, it's a hassle, but it is an easy enough matter that it kind of worries me. Maybe we could consider putting a photo on your voter registration card.

And you have some sort of record, proof I'd say, of something like this happening often?

Link

Link

Both in Iowa. Both in just the past few days. They're only coming to light after the secretary of state recently hired outside investigators to check a random list of 1000 voters against a federal database. In other words: checking one database against another (which should be standard practice but apparently isn't). And those were just the first results before a lawsuit put the checks on hold.

As an aside: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections? Why is one party doing everything they can to block efforts to weed those folk out?


Five people! The HORROR!
 
2012-10-11 09:42:04 AM

Cythraul: sodomizer: fireclown: I want to point out that we hashed this all out last election with the Dibold machines. That election resulted in a Democrat White House, House, and Senate. If the GOP is waging a secret campaign to steal votes through voting equipment, their track record is awful.

Not to mention the sheer implausibility of it all. That somehow these companies, which can barely make working voting machines, have found a way to network all these machines together to secretly steal the vote, is beyond credibility.

However, Democrats sneaking in the dead, fake voters, criminals, illegal aliens, former aliases, etc. is standard practice.

As usual, the liberal tells ten lies while complaining about one fake moonbat theory. Liberalism is a mental disease spread through misery.

How exactly do criminals and illegal aliens vote?


Google nbc 2 Florida immigrant voting. The news crew found many illegal immigrants who were voting in elections.
 
2012-10-11 09:42:32 AM

craig328: Why is one party doing everything they can to block efforts to weed those folk out?


Why is one party doing everything they can to make it more difficult for people to exercise their right to vote?
 
2012-10-11 09:42:35 AM
I'm not going to get all tinfoily just yet, but it is pretty goddamn stupid that we allow companies which will benefit one way or another based on the outcome of an election to supply closed-box voting "solutions" for those elections.

Voting machines, the way we do them, are bullshiat through and through. Release the farking source code and instantiate an audit-able paper trail.
 
2012-10-11 09:42:46 AM

Thunderpipes: Well, Obama is making sure ballots don't get to military folks, so there is that.


took about 2 seconds to prove that is a lie...

http://www.snopes.com
 
2012-10-11 09:42:46 AM

JackieRabbit:

I have never trusted electronic voting machines. The systems are too easy to manipulate at a number of points. But it really doesn't make any difference anymore. I some voter precincts, such as mine, if you aren't voting Republican, there's no need to go to the polls. It's a waste of time, since you are such a small minority, your vote won't count anyway in winner-take-all states and there will never be a Democrat or independent on the ballot for local offices.


We have a turnout rate of about 50%, if you can get your side to have a 100% turnout you can win an election in a district where you are outnumbered 2:1 if only half the other side votes. Register. Get your friends to register. Make sure you all turn up at the farking polling station on the right day.
 
Xoc
2012-10-11 09:43:19 AM
Why aren't voting machines exposed to the same scrutiny as slot machines? Write your representatives and senators and get a law passed!
 
2012-10-11 09:43:46 AM

sodomizer: Callous: When there's no method in place of verifying that the person is who they say they are how is that proof to ever exist?

Where I vote all you need to get a ballot is a name and address. Conveniently, they are all posted on the wall right inside the door.

Exactly.

Democrats want zero responsibility to identify yourself as an actual living, non-criminal, legal citizen.

They also want to make sure overseas armed forces aren't able to vote.

This maximizes the Democratic coalition who want benefits (Romney's "47%").

It's unpopular to say this on the internet, but you can see how the Democrats on Fark squirm when it's mentioned.

They don't like the light of truth shining on their shady practices. For them, it's all about wanting to be on the winning team.

I'll say it again: liberalism is a mental disease spread by misery. Notice how miserable the most prominent liberals here, and in the press, are.


I don't drink the kook-aid anymore, I have IV's in both arms and retina implants that broadcast Fox News 24/7. I even have RSS sidebar feeds from American Thinker and The Weekly Standard. I'm highly infromed!

 

CSB!
 
2012-10-11 09:44:09 AM

craig328: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections?


Relies on?

Every recent effort to block illegal immigrants from voting (voter roll purges, ID laws,) would block many more legal voters than illegal ones. Estimates say a few million legal voters could have been disenfranchised countrywide by the recent wave of ID laws. Florida tried to purge 180,000 voters from the registry, many of whom were legal.

But no. It's totally that Democrats rely on the illegal vote, and not that stopping millions of legal voters from voting sucks.
 
2012-10-11 09:45:47 AM
Up until recently, it was the Right claiming the Left were going to rig the election.
 
2012-10-11 09:45:49 AM

Lunaville: In Georgia the implementation of electronic voting machines was, initially, supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. Both parties are now complacent about the utter lack of accountability that comes with a lack of a paper receipt. At this time, only the Libertarians are serious about addressing this shortcoming in our election process.

A street side ice-cream vendor can generate a paper receipt with little more than his cell phone, but we are supposed to believe it is impossible to generate a paper receipt at the voting booth. Bullsh-t.

It doesn't matter whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a member of a third party, or an independent voter; every voter should receive a paper receipt allowing him or her to verify that the votes cast were recorded correctly. This would increase voter confidence in our elections and allow for effective recounts when necessary. Most importantly, it would help bolster the integrity of our elections.


I live in Georgia as well (and am a software dev) and I'm curious: exactly what good do you think a paper receipt will do? If you subscribe to the notion that the machines are crooked and record your vote differently from the way you cast it, do you think it's beyond the manufacturer to have the machine record your "D" vote for a candidate print out a receipt that says "D" and then report to the database collecting the votes that you voted "R"?

Unless you have a means for collecting all those paper receipts and counting them manually (and you don't) then the paper means jack shiat. I don't mean to be harsh but really, this notion that a paper receipt would stop this kind of chicanery is foolish and naive.
 
2012-10-11 09:46:26 AM

Thunderpipes: Well, Obama is making sure ballots don't get to military folks, so there is that.


Nice lie. You must be on Romney's campaign staff.
 
2012-10-11 09:46:36 AM

dustygrimp: This from someone whose sins are right there in his screen name.


Oh, do you think sodomy is a sin? That is a valid opinion also. How interesting. Please tell us more.
 
2012-10-11 09:46:38 AM

mcsmiley: lordjupiter: acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"

No, more like

(Dem wins) Repubs: Voter fraud! Change all the rules! Redistrict! They're only voting for him because he's black! Dismantle the entire party and reform as "independents" with even more extreme beliefs, then run as Republicans-who-aren't-Republicans! And when you win by calling the other guy a socialist nazi muslim black panther Kenyan, do everything you can to halt the political process until the next election so you can get the black guy out of office!


I think that's a better summary.

You forgot, "He's not a real murrican, He's ineligibul"


Heh, that's why I said "kenyan". Hard to fit all the wackery into one concise post.

Let's not forget the legal challenges in various states that the GOP brought following elections. Hardly "damn, we lost".
 
2012-10-11 09:47:42 AM

Cythraul: craig328: Cythraul: fireclown: Cythraul: How exactly do criminals and illegal aliens vote?

By obtaining someone elses name, address and birthday. I admit, it's a hassle, but it is an easy enough matter that it kind of worries me. Maybe we could consider putting a photo on your voter registration card.

And you have some sort of record, proof I'd say, of something like this happening often?

Link

Link

Both in Iowa. Both in just the past few days. They're only coming to light after the secretary of state recently hired outside investigators to check a random list of 1000 voters against a federal database. In other words: checking one database against another (which should be standard practice but apparently isn't). And those were just the first results before a lawsuit put the checks on hold.

As an aside: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections? Why is one party doing everything they can to block efforts to weed those folk out?

Five people! The HORROR!


Hey sport, you asked for proof so I gave you proof. So, now you move the goalposts and claim it's not enough proof? How much do YOU personally require before it becomes okay to enforce our election laws?
 
2012-10-11 09:48:16 AM
JackieRabbit

Welcome to my world in Austin. The only thing we have going for us is Doggett, and he's been gerrymandered all the freaking way down to Houston. If you are ever bored, check out the congressional districts in and around the Austin/Round Rock area. It's art.


Link
 
2012-10-11 09:48:16 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: 2010: Voting machine casts phantom votes, invalidating real votes

2008: Voting machines manufacturer admits their machines 'lose' votes. Ohio used them anyway.

2008: Another source for the 'lost' votes.

2007/2008: Hackers manage to hack every model of voting machine used in California

Florida 2000: Voting machine awards Bush 2813 votes and Gore negative 16022 votes in a precinct with only 585 registered voters

How to Hack a Diebold voting machine - the method used in the above Gore-Bush vote 'error' 

That's from 30 seconds of searching.


And yet no proof it swayed the election. This is the logic liberals use in voter fraud. Okeefe gets a ballot in holder's name and it is non proof because he never voted.

The fact is it is nearly impossible to identify in person voting fraud because the only way to find it is by checking id. Of course this is outlawed. So the only good means of checking for in person fraud is not allowed. But liberals say no convictions, no problem. This is a fallacy. If someone votes as someone else, they leave and ate long gone by the time the real voter shows, no conviction. If real voter never shows, no conviction. The only convictions have stemmed from someone voting as two people in the same precincts.
 
2012-10-11 09:49:22 AM
Might as well let Ohio and Florida flip a coin every year. Always seems to come down to them anyway.
 
2012-10-11 09:50:52 AM

MyRandomName: The fact is it is nearly impossible to identify in person voting fraud because the only way to find it is by checking id. Of course this is outlawed


And in the meantime, they're going to generate a lot of moonbat drama about hacked voting machines "equals" massive voting fraud and those elections got stolen from them, all while ushering armies of the dead, illegal and criminal into the voting places to make sure the election turns Dem.

Could they be more hypocritical? I'm sure they'll try. After all, liberalism is a mental disease spread through misery.
 
2012-10-11 09:51:42 AM
Electronic voting machines have an error rate MANY times higher than old voting machines. Why'd we switch?
 
2012-10-11 09:54:31 AM

craig328: Cythraul: craig328: Cythraul: fireclown: Cythraul: How exactly do criminals and illegal aliens vote?

By obtaining someone elses name, address and birthday. I admit, it's a hassle, but it is an easy enough matter that it kind of worries me. Maybe we could consider putting a photo on your voter registration card.

And you have some sort of record, proof I'd say, of something like this happening often?

Link

Link

Both in Iowa. Both in just the past few days. They're only coming to light after the secretary of state recently hired outside investigators to check a random list of 1000 voters against a federal database. In other words: checking one database against another (which should be standard practice but apparently isn't). And those were just the first results before a lawsuit put the checks on hold.

As an aside: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections? Why is one party doing everything they can to block efforts to weed those folk out?

Five people! The HORROR!

Hey sport, you asked for proof so I gave you proof. So, now you move the goalposts and claim it's not enough proof? How much do YOU personally require before it becomes okay to enforce our election laws?


I also asked for proof of this happening 'often.' While the exacts of that term can be a bit vague, five people is not 'often.' The reasoning behind the Republican move for anti-voter fraud laws is that voter fraud is a widespread thing.
 
2012-10-11 09:56:39 AM

sodomizer: MyRandomName: The fact is it is nearly impossible to identify in person voting fraud because the only way to find it is by checking id. Of course this is outlawed

And in the meantime, they're going to generate a lot of moonbat drama about hacked voting machines "equals" massive voting fraud and those elections got stolen from them, all while ushering armies of the dead, illegal and criminal into the voting places to make sure the election turns Dem.

Could they be more hypocritical? I'm sure they'll try. After all, liberalism is a mental disease spread through misery.


Yah, it's not like it's ever happened before or anything....

Bush gets 4258 votes from 638 ballots cast 

Delusional much?
 
2012-10-11 09:57:02 AM

MyRandomName: The fact is it is nearly impossible to identify in person voting fraud because the only way to find it is by checking id. Of course this is outlawed. So the only good means of checking for in person fraud is not allowed.


this is not even true, they have just recently had stories of audits they did and they found a small amount of people that signed up to vote illegally and the majority were legal immigrants that thought they could vote legally but couldn't.

The republicans in this thread still refuse to acknowledge that you have to sign an affidavit where lying on it is a federal felony and that our whole court system operates under the the fact that an affidavit is legitimate.
 
2012-10-11 09:57:33 AM

acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"


really? who are the ones crying wolf about non-existent in-person voter fraud?
who are the ones stuffing all those absentee ballots?
who are the ones who fired their registration people because of foul play? then had them change their names and re hired them only to have the same problem pop up again and re-fired them?
who are the ones closing early voting down and purging minorities from the lists?
 
2012-10-11 09:59:08 AM
I love all the people saying THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CONVICTION FOR ELECTORAL FRAUD! THIS MEANS IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED!

How many people were charged with a crime for the giant banking fiasco again? I guess it never happened.
 
2012-10-11 09:59:15 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not going to get all tinfoily just yet, but it is pretty goddamn stupid that we allow companies which will benefit one way or another based on the outcome of an election to supply closed-box voting "solutions" for those elections.

Voting machines, the way we do them, are bullshiat through and through. Release the farking source code and instantiate an audit-able paper trail.


cdn.twentytwowords.com
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2012-10-11 10:00:10 AM

Hobodeluxe: acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"

really? who are the ones crying wolf about non-existent in-person voter fraud?
who are the ones stuffing all those absentee ballots?
who are the ones who fired their registration people because of foul play? then had them change their names and re hired them only to have the same problem pop up again and re-fired them?
who are the ones closing early voting down and purging minorities from the lists?


Let's not forget a certain state which shall remain nameless that attempted to give red counties more opportunities to vote than blue counties. You know, for the cause of eliminating voter fraud.
 
2012-10-11 10:01:41 AM

MyRandomName: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: 2010: Voting machine casts phantom votes, invalidating real votes

2008: Voting machines manufacturer admits their machines 'lose' votes. Ohio used them anyway.

2008: Another source for the 'lost' votes.

2007/2008: Hackers manage to hack every model of voting machine used in California

Florida 2000: Voting machine awards Bush 2813 votes and Gore negative 16022 votes in a precinct with only 585 registered voters

How to Hack a Diebold voting machine - the method used in the above Gore-Bush vote 'error' 

That's from 30 seconds of searching.

And yet no proof it swayed the election.



Over 18,000 fraudulently cast/counted votes in Florida 2000 wouldn't have swayed the election? Votes from a hack that we're detected largely because the machine in question was in a precinct with only a few hundred voters? And you're unconcerned about the ability to sway an election with voting machines?
 
2012-10-11 10:02:52 AM
Is voting machine fraud the left's answer to voter fraud paranoia? Aside from a few proofs of concepts, we have no documentation of widespread voting machine fraud in elections.
 
2012-10-11 10:03:33 AM

nyseattitude: Bush gets 4258 votes from 638 ballots cast 

Delusional much?


Let's RTFA.

Damschroder said the malfunction occurred when one machine's cartridge was plugged into a laptop computer and generated faulty numbers in several races. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred. He had, however, ruled out a problem with software at the central vote collection office, as well as tampering.

"We tested if there was some possibility of human intervention, and it was not possible," Damschroder said.


And also:

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

I don't see voter manipulation here. What did you see?
 
2012-10-11 10:04:20 AM

Cythraul: Hobodeluxe: acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!"

really? who are the ones crying wolf about non-existent in-person voter fraud?
who are the ones stuffing all those absentee ballots?
who are the ones who fired their registration people because of foul play? then had them change their names and re hired them only to have the same problem pop up again and re-fired them?
who are the ones closing early voting down and purging minorities from the lists?

Let's not forget a certain state which shall remain nameless that attempted to give red counties more opportunities to vote than blue counties. You know, for the cause of eliminating voter fraud. tightening the state's budget.


Whoops, let me fix that for me.
 
2012-10-11 10:07:21 AM

super_grass: Is voting machine fraud the left's answer to voter fraud paranoia? Aside from a few proofs of concepts, we have no documentation of widespread voting machine fraud in elections.


how does the left parlay this into disenfranchising republicans? so.. no..not the both sides are bad you are looking for.
 
2012-10-11 10:08:22 AM

super_grass: Is voting machine fraud the left's answer to voter fraud paranoia? Aside from a few proofs of concepts, we have no documentation of widespread voting machine fraud in elections.


Already linked in this thread. Bush 2004 in Ohio.

Already submitted several cases of widespread voting machine fraud in elections in the thread:

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: 2010: Voting machine casts phantom votes, invalidating real votes

2008: Voting machines manufacturer admits their machines 'lose' votes. Ohio used them anyway.

2008: Another source for the 'lost' votes.

2007/2008: Hackers manage to hack every model of voting machine used in California

Florida 2000: Voting machine awards Bush 2813 votes and Gore negative 16022 votes in a precinct with only 585 registered voters

How to Hack a Diebold voting machine - the method used in the above Gore-Bush vote 'error' 

That's from 30 seconds of searching.
 
2012-10-11 10:08:51 AM

Headso: how does the left parlay this into disenfranchising republicans?


Has the right ever disenfranchised a legitimate leftist voter?
 
2012-10-11 10:10:05 AM

sodomizer: nyseattitude: Bush gets 4258 votes from 638 ballots cast 

Delusional much?

Let's RTFA.

Damschroder said the malfunction occurred when one machine's cartridge was plugged into a laptop computer and generated faulty numbers in several races. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred. He had, however, ruled out a problem with software at the central vote collection office, as well as tampering.

"We tested if there was some possibility of human intervention, and it was not possible," Damschroder said.

And also:

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

I don't see voter manipulation here. What did you see?


Bush gets 4258 votes from 638 ballots cast in one district of many.

There is also this
 
2012-10-11 10:10:53 AM

sodomizer: Headso: how does the left parlay this into disenfranchising republicans?

Has the right ever disenfranchised a legitimate leftist voter?


yeah
 
2012-10-11 10:11:39 AM
"Democrats have accepted more political donations than Republicans from executives at Bain Capital, complicating the left's plan to attack Mitt Romney for his record at the private-equity firm.

During the last three election cycles, Bain employees have given Democratic candidates and party committees more than $1.2 million. The vast majority of that sum came from senior executives.

Republican candidates and party committees raised over $480,000 from senior Bain executives during that time period."


That's a very clever ruse. A wily subterfuge, ee-phun.
 
2012-10-11 10:17:54 AM

Headso: MyRandomName: The fact is it is nearly impossible to identify in person voting fraud because the only way to find it is by checking id. Of course this is outlawed. So the only good means of checking for in person fraud is not allowed.

this is not even true, they have just recently had stories of audits they did and they found a small amount of people that signed up to vote illegally and the majority were legal immigrants that thought they could vote legally but couldn't.

The republicans in this thread still refuse to acknowledge that you have to sign an affidavit where lying on it is a federal felony and that our whole court system operates under the the fact that an affidavit is legitimate.


You are aware that if I sign a false name on a false affidavit and no one checked my ID, once I walk out the door they have no clue who I am right?

BTW, they check ID at courthouses.
 
2012-10-11 10:18:41 AM

Dafatone: craig328: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections?

Relies on?

Every recent effort to block illegal immigrants from voting (voter roll purges, ID laws,) would block many more legal voters than illegal ones. Estimates say a few million legal voters could have been disenfranchised countrywide by the recent wave of ID laws. Florida tried to purge 180,000 voters from the registry, many of whom were legal.

But no. It's totally that Democrats rely on the illegal vote, and not that stopping millions of legal voters from voting sucks.


Interesting viewpoint. Try squaring this : we shouldn't have to show id to exercise the right to vote, but we *must* show id to exercise the right to bear arms.

Also, you are required to have photo id to drive or cash a check at the bank, how many people would honestly not have an id that would allow that?
 
2012-10-11 10:21:45 AM

Thallone1: Try squaring this : we shouldn't have to show id to exercise the right to vote, but we *must* show id to exercise the right to bear arms.


Improper use of the former can't result in anyone's death.
 
2012-10-11 10:22:08 AM

acad1228: Setting up those excuses early, are we?Republican wins) Dems: "They stole the election!"Democrat wins) Repubs: "Damn! We lost!they stole the election"


ftfy

if you really think otherwise, you are fooling yourself
 
2012-10-11 10:23:26 AM
Two people have questioned the value of a paper receipt indicating that the vote actually cast could differ from that listed on the receipt. In an uncontested election, the paper receipt would have little or no value. In a contested election, the paper receipts would be counted. Any statistically significant difference between the voter verified paper receipts and the machine count would warrant an investigation into the reliability and maintenance of the machines as well as into the company that manufactures and/or operates the machines. It is very likely that each political party would benefit from that extra measure of oversight in some place, at some point. A paper trail, in the event of a contested election, benefits all political parties, the election process, and the voter.
 
2012-10-11 10:24:02 AM

Thallone1: Dafatone: craig328: why do we have a political party that relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections?

Relies on?

Every recent effort to block illegal immigrants from voting (voter roll purges, ID laws,) would block many more legal voters than illegal ones. Estimates say a few million legal voters could have been disenfranchised countrywide by the recent wave of ID laws. Florida tried to purge 180,000 voters from the registry, many of whom were legal.

But no. It's totally that Democrats rely on the illegal vote, and not that stopping millions of legal voters from voting sucks.

Interesting viewpoint. Try squaring this : we shouldn't have to show id to exercise the right to vote, but we *must* show id to exercise the right to bear arms.

Also, you are required to have photo id to drive or cash a check at the bank, how many people would honestly not have an id that would allow that?


I don't know, how about a few million poor people with no bank account and subsequently no job, car or bank?
 
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