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(Des Moines Register)   68 year-old man fired by Wells Fargo after it was discovered he put a cardboard dime in a washing machine in 1963 is cleared to work again in the banking industry, but Wells Fargo wants him to reapply and earn a smaller wage   (blogs.desmoinesregister.com) divider line 31
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2012-10-11 06:09:23 AM
5 votes:
So basically they just wanted to avoid paying his retirement benefits?
2012-10-11 07:09:30 AM
3 votes:

Big Ramifications: Neondistraction: Big Ramifications: Interesting to see you could get into trouble for such a "crime" back then.

Nowadays it's all just excuses. B-b-but poor people! B-b-but black people! B-b-but the Republikkkans!

Yeah, sure, the country that puts more people in jail than China is soft on crime.

/ pull the other one.
~
Ogga booga! China. Ooga booga!

And what has happened since?

** Left wing gaylord soft-on-crime stance means they get chcuked in jail later, for more serious crimes.
** The USA were a bit tougher on nogs back in dem days.

// no citations
//// just like your soft-tard comment.


I wasn't aware I needed to provide citations for such a common fact.

Link # 1
Link #2
Link # 3
Link #4

There's lots more I could post, but they all pretty much have the same info. Oh, and I used China as an example because they are the most populous country in the world. They have over 3 times as many people as we do, yet we have more than twice the number of people in prison than they do. That's not per capita, that's straight up numbers.

Of course, I could have just used any country as an example, because we beat out everyone. We have 5% of the worlds total population, but 25% of the global prison population. Those are facts. How can you claim we are soft on crime when we put more people in jail than any other country on the planet? I'm genuinely curious.
2012-10-11 07:02:39 AM
3 votes:
Hell, this whole over paranoid background check is just bullshiat. Before I retired from BellSouth Florida phased a law requiring an insanely strict background check on anyone that MIGHT work on a school campus. Since being a telephone tech means you could, in theory, be sent to work on the phones at a school every outside tech was required to be finger printed and background checked. There were a few techs that had close to twenty years on the job that were fired for failing their background checks. The horrible offenses they were guilty of ranged from public urination to stealing a cow, the later one occurred when the tech was 16 and close to 40 years prior.

And the insanity was not only with the State for requiring this (because why would anyone fail this background check if they hasn't done anything to harm children? Hell, a DUI would prevent you from getting clearance to work in school property) but BellSouth as well, because failing to get this clearance only kept you from working on a school property. So why fire the tech, just don't send that tech on any jobs at a school location? I worked for them for more than ten years and only one time in that ten plus years did I ever work on a school campus.

Well, with those techs fired it must be very comforting to know that our children are safe and these monsters won't be lurking around their schools. Of course what you really have are a few men who did something stupid in their youth losing high paying careers that they had for fifteen or twenty years. I swear there is no common sense in the world any longer.
2012-10-11 06:22:06 AM
3 votes:
bbut Wells Fargo prints cardboard coins all the time (loans)
2012-10-11 06:13:01 AM
3 votes:
It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.
2012-10-11 07:30:13 AM
2 votes:

Koodz: (I personally never understood how spending years completely removed from society in prison paid any debts, but that's just me.)


Oh, I can help. Convicts help pay the debts of prison administrators and politicians in these ways:
Public money pays for housing convicts in private prisons, providing profits which pay the administrators' debts. They also work for Chinese child laborer wages in prison work yards, with the sales going to carefully selected companies. The politicians are able to solicit for donations among the "tough on crime" crowd, which helps them pay their debts. I'm sure I'm leaving out many others who pay their debts with money collected from imprisoning people.
2012-10-11 06:41:38 AM
2 votes:
This is the same bank that charged me $30 for THEIR error. And never managed to refund the money, even though they promised to. Fark them.
2012-10-11 06:26:08 AM
2 votes:

Summoner101: It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.


No, it sounds more like they are following a regulation issued by a government that would just LOVE to fine them 1 million dollars a day for keeping a 29k a year employee on the payroll that failed the government mandated background check.
2012-10-11 06:13:54 AM
2 votes:

Big Ramifications: Interesting to see you could get into trouble for such a "crime" back then.

Nowadays it's all just excuses. B-b-but poor people! B-b-but black people! B-b-but the Republikkkans!


Yeah, sure, the country that puts more people in jail than China is soft on crime.

/ pull the other one.
2012-10-11 06:12:40 AM
2 votes:

Neondistraction: So basically they just wanted to avoid paying his retirement benefits?


You nailed it right there.
2012-10-11 06:08:43 AM
2 votes:
I hope you know this will go down on your permanent record
2012-10-11 12:12:23 PM
1 votes:
Every time you read about Wells Fargo in the news it's something douchy. Why would anyone bank there?
2012-10-11 11:52:46 AM
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: udhq: Krusty_the_Barbarian: Summoner101: It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.

No, it sounds more like they are following a regulation issued by a government that would just LOVE to fine them 1 million dollars a day for keeping a 29k a year employee on the payroll that failed the government mandated background check.

Except for the part where the government granted them a waiver, and then they failed to give him his job back.

But that's ok, I get that you really want to believe that overbearing government did this, so let's just go with whatever fits your preconceived notions.

Ok, you get that the waiver takes 3 months or longer on average (this case was expiditied), right? So are you saying that the Wells Fargo should not have filled his position when he was fired, that they should fire the person they hired to replace him, or they should just hire him back regardless of whether or not there is a position open for him, and just create a superfluous spot for him (which will be quickly downsized)?


Exactly, this case was expedited as it needed to be. That doesn't exactly scream "rigid bureaucracy" to me.

And besides, that's not how these places hire. I live down the street from a WF campus, they have a fairly huge calling floor, with dozens of people manning it at any given time. I get recruiting calls probably once a month for this call service work. What they do is hire a class of 5-10 every couple of weeks, and then at the end of their first week they fire everyone who hasn't made a sale.

If I had to guess, I would say this guy probably just wanted to keep his head down and do his job, and that doesn't really fly with the corporate culture at WF. They hire you for 2 pay grades above your entry level, and if you don't show any signs of interest in advancing, they "coach you out". Kind of crappy way to do business, if you ask me, but the truth is that's becoming more the exception than the rule in corporate America.
2012-10-11 11:06:20 AM
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: ongbok: MycroftHolmes: Neondistraction: So basically they just wanted to avoid paying his retirement benefits?

What retirement benefits are you referencing? I was under the impression that most companies used a 401(k) now, which means, at most, they would be saving one years worth of match. Are there healthcare benefits that cost the company when an employee retires?

Most banks also have a pension for employees along with the 401k.

It doesn't look like it in this case(from looking at WF's career website). There may be a financial advantage to forcing him to reapply, but it doesn't look like he was making an exceptionally high salary that can be replaced by a younger, cheaper employee (as happens in some technical fields), and it doesn't look like they would have been on the hook for company sponsored retirement benefits. This sounds more like a case of having to obey the letter of the law.


No it sounds like a case of trimming the work force to me. Like I said before when a company that has severance pay as part of the benefits package decides to trim the workforce, before they go to layoffs they will look to fire anyone that they can to avoid paying severance.
2012-10-11 10:02:26 AM
1 votes:

jmr61: Summoner101: It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.

So $29K constitutes "higher cost employees " in your mind?

Damn. Glad I don't work where you do.


You've obviously never worked at a bank.

Unless you're at the corporate level, you get paid peanuts (and yeah, the company constantly looks to fund a way to lower their bottom line at your expense).
2012-10-11 09:38:00 AM
1 votes:
WF Mortgage Fraud 10-10-2012

So just yesterday WF gets hit with this lawsuit for things that farked over taxpayers but this guy's youthful attempt to bilk a washing machine is where we have to get real tough?
2012-10-11 09:26:16 AM
1 votes:
Wells Fargo fired me because I was using a loophole to get new customers free checks.
2012-10-11 09:23:47 AM
1 votes:

untaken_name: Koodz: (I personally never understood how spending years completely removed from society in prison paid any debts, but that's just me.)

Oh, I can help. Convicts help pay the debts of prison administrators and politicians in these ways:
Public money pays for housing convicts in private prisons, providing profits which pay the administrators' debts. They also work for Chinese child laborer wages in prison work yards, with the sales going to carefully selected companies. The politicians are able to solicit for donations among the "tough on crime" crowd, which helps them pay their debts. I'm sure I'm leaving out many others who pay their debts with money collected from imprisoning people.


I don't know how many other states are this way, but I learned yesterday that in New Mexico, the public defender's office is a branch within the department of corrections.
Yet people will keep saying there is no prison industry in the US.

/mini rant off
2012-10-11 09:04:37 AM
1 votes:
The gubmint is pretty freaky weird on this. Obama pardoned a guy last year that had been a convicted a felon, not allowed to vote or own guns, his crime? In 1965 he put a slug in a vending machine at an Army base where he was a soldier, but wait it gets weirder. How did they catch him? The company reported to the slug to the FBI, the FBI then proceeded to put an undercover agent in his barracks posing as a soldier and then lived there for another 6 months until finally the guy used a slug again. BAM! prisoner, kicked out of the army and so on. Seriously, I guess the FBI wasn't very busy in the mid-60's.
2012-10-11 08:45:45 AM
1 votes:
Banking is the ultimate business. Get your product free from the government, then make up to 30% in profit from it. No raw materials to buy, no waste to dispose of. (Except your employees.) You fark up, government rescues you. What more could you ask for?

Ever notice how the nicest buildings in town are bank buildings?
2012-10-11 08:13:30 AM
1 votes:

OBBN: Hell, this whole over paranoid background check is just bullshiat...Well, with those techs fired it must be very comforting to know that our children are safe and these monsters won't be lurking around their schools. Of course what you really have are a few men who did something stupid in their youth losing high paying careers that they had for fifteen or twenty years. I swear there is no common sense in the world any longer.


I wish I could say your story was an aberration here in the US. Unfortunately, we're not too big on forgiving the cardboard dimers and cow tippers when we have murderers to let off the hook and clear on technicalities.
2012-10-11 07:49:35 AM
1 votes:
Regulation: empowering knee-jerk bureaucrats to wreck perfectly normal arrangements for detail non-compliance while ignoring bigger problems under their noses.

Seriously, this is a case of hiring the wrong people to police the industry. Who likes a bureaucrat?
2012-10-11 07:29:53 AM
1 votes:

Neondistraction: Big Ramifications: Neondistraction: Big Ramifications: Interesting to see you could get into trouble for such a "crime" back then.

Nowadays it's all just excuses. B-b-but poor people! B-b-but black people! B-b-but the Republikkkans!

Yeah, sure, the country that puts more people in jail than China is soft on crime.

/ pull the other one.
~
Ogga booga! China. Ooga booga!

And what has happened since?

** Left wing gaylord soft-on-crime stance means they get chcuked in jail later, for more serious crimes.
** The USA were a bit tougher on nogs back in dem days.

// no citations
//// just like your soft-tard comment.

I wasn't aware I needed to provide citations for such a common fact.

Link # 1
Link #2
Link # 3
Link #4

There's lots more I could post, but they all pretty much have the same info. Oh, and I used China as an example because they are the most populous country in the world. They have over 3 times as many people as we do, yet we have more than twice the number of people in prison than they do. That's not per capita, that's straight up numbers.

Of course, I could have just used any country as an example, because we beat out everyone. We have 5% of the worlds total population, but 25% of the global prison population. Those are facts. How can you claim we are soft on crime when we put more people in jail than any other country on the planet? I'm genuinely curious.


Please Don't Feed The Trolls


/unless it's spentmiles, that one doesn't count.
2012-10-11 07:25:41 AM
1 votes:

elementalogic: Sounds like a case of following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law. He committed a petty crime 50 years ago but his half century of good behaviour and clean work record should outweigh that one tiny blemish.


That depends on whether you believe "justice" is karmic or not. We're pretty inconsistent on the issue of whether good deeds compensate for bad or not in the US, despite our rhetoric of "paying a debt to society."

(I personally never understood how spending years completely removed from society in prison paid any debts, but that's just me.)
2012-10-11 07:20:50 AM
1 votes:
What a totally asinine system. Practically guarantees the need for more jails, cops and pandering politicians to be elected.

Deny a man a means to earn a wage basically as a revenge for petty crimes in the past.

So this either cost the people taxes for welfare or i those that turn to crime to survive to run them through the expensive,sick joke known as the "justice" system.

The real criminals wear suits and ties or uniforms.
2012-10-11 07:01:47 AM
1 votes:
Wells Fargo is evil.

/that is all
2012-10-11 06:52:52 AM
1 votes:

jmr61: Summoner101: It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.

So $29K constitutes "higher cost employees " in your mind?

Damn. Glad I don't work where you do.


Higher is a comparative term used to compare his salary to other commiserate employees. 29k may not be "high cost," but maybe so compared to his coworkers. Bean counters don't care how much it is as long as they can prove it's more than they could be paying. Then again, this is based upon him having seniority and collecting benefits/wages/pension according to that seniority.
2012-10-11 06:45:39 AM
1 votes:

Neondistraction: So basically they just wanted to avoid paying his retirement benefits?


He was 68 and had worked there more than 5 years so even with being fired he is likely eligible for whatever meager retirement benefits they offer call center employees.
2012-10-11 06:40:23 AM
1 votes:

Krusty_the_Barbarian: Summoner101: It sounds more like the banks are using the new regulations to legally get rid of higher cost employees and help their bottom line.

No, it sounds more like they are following a regulation issued by a government that would just LOVE to fine them 1 million dollars a day for keeping a 29k a year employee on the payroll that failed the government mandated background check.

~
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Well spotted. I read it about exactly half way between those two PoVs.

"Rules is rules" and all that - but in a slimy Machiavellian way.
2012-10-11 06:15:01 AM
1 votes:
Sounds like a case of following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law. He committed a petty crime 50 years ago but his half century of good behaviour and clean work record should outweigh that one tiny blemish.
2012-10-11 06:12:11 AM
1 votes:
You just made up that part about "and earn a smaller wage", didn't you, subby? That is pretty dishonest reporting.. I guess some people will do whatever it takes, though, for a green light..
 
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