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(Nature)   Scientists agree, you'd have to be crazy to live in the city   (nature.com) divider line 77
    More: Interesting, Institute of Psychiatry, urban decay, stress response, social isolation, genetic predisposition, Ronald Kessler, Heidelberg, fMRI  
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2012-10-11 05:06:56 AM  

nmemkha: What urban dwellers really should fear is an extended break down in infrastructure. Cities are natural food and water deserts packing millions of people into tiny areas. Should our societies ever break down to the point that our "just-in-time" food delivery infrastructure is disrupted for an extended period of time, we could see suffering on an unprecedented scale.


This. Basic survival in a city is entirely dependent on an enormously complex system of supply,, support, communication, and enforced order. Nearly all food is brought in from elsewhere. Water supplies and waste removal requires actively maintained systems. Social order is enforced, and all of this depends of instantaneous communication. Look at what happens in cities any time one of these is interrupted. A blizzard closes roads used to supply food, power outage cuts off traffic lights, internet, refrigerators (both residential and commercial), etc. A riot takes law enforcement attention away from common crime, which in turn, skyrockets. And there's a million more possibilities. City life might be fun and stimulating, but the cost is that your very survival requires all of these elements to always work in tandem with no interruptions or breakdowns. Whenever there is one, you get something like New Orleans, the LA riots, or even just the massive lack of food and water that happened recently during the east coast power outage.

Cities are powder kegs. Fun, stimulating, entertaining and fast moving powder kegs.
 
2012-10-11 05:09:26 AM  
Problem: stress caused by living in Camberwell.

Solution:

www.adamriff.com
 
2012-10-11 05:37:47 AM  

taurusowner: City life might be fun and stimulating, but the cost is that your very survival requires all of these elements to always work in tandem with no interruptions or breakdowns. Whenever there is one, you get something like New Orleans, the LA riots,


Yeah, every time there's an interruption of anything in a city, it's riots and desperate struggle. I've died three times this year, already, my survival is that precarious. If only I lived in the countryside, where natural disasters, closed roads, communication breakdowns and power outages can't possible cause life threatening situations.
 
2012-10-11 06:05:24 AM  

nmemkha: What urban dwellers really should fear is an extended break down in infrastructure. Cities are natural food and water deserts packing millions of people into tiny areas. Should our societies ever break down to the point that our "just-in-time" food delivery infrastructure is disrupted for an extended period of time, we could see suffering on an unprecedented scale.


But not for you, you live in the country. The city folk will just sit in their apartments with their hunger pangs, patiently waiting for the sweet embrace of death, not descending on your farm as a raping, pillaging horde.
Nah, you'll be fine.
 
2012-10-11 06:17:59 AM  

Dansker: nmemkha: What urban dwellers really should fear is an extended break down in infrastructure. Cities are natural food and water deserts packing millions of people into tiny areas. Should our societies ever break down to the point that our "just-in-time" food delivery infrastructure is disrupted for an extended period of time, we could see suffering on an unprecedented scale.

But not for you, you live in the country. The city folk will just sit in their apartments with their hunger pangs, patiently waiting for the sweet embrace of death, not descending on your farm as a raping, pillaging horde.
Nah, you'll be fine.


You assume much young Farktalker.
 
2012-10-11 06:38:38 AM  

nmemkha: Dansker: nmemkha: What urban dwellers really should fear is an extended break down in infrastructure. Cities are natural food and water deserts packing millions of people into tiny areas. Should our societies ever break down to the point that our "just-in-time" food delivery infrastructure is disrupted for an extended period of time, we could see suffering on an unprecedented scale.

But not for you, you live in the country. The city folk will just sit in their apartments with their hunger pangs, patiently waiting for the sweet embrace of death, not descending on your farm as a raping, pillaging horde.
Nah, you'll be fine.

You assume much young Farktalker.


All I'm saying is that everybody should really fear an extended breakdown in infrastructure whether you live in a farmhouse or a cityblock.
Also, ymmw but my city is far from a "water desert". Come to think of it, most large cities are built near rivers and lakes
 
2012-10-11 08:38:53 AM  

BSABSVR: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: BSABSVR: Yeah, being able to do damn near anything I want at damn near any time I want sucks.

And yet here you are spending time posting on Fark.

Yeah, but I'm posting from the Opera.


Beautiful comeback. Hats off to you good sir.

www.mcarterbrown.com
 
2012-10-11 08:58:40 AM  
Interesting. A while ago, I listened to a TED Talks episode where the guess speaker was saying 1 in 6 globally live in citys, mostly in slums and favelas, and in 20 years it will be 1 in 4
 
2012-10-11 09:00:49 AM  

Ennuipoet: Look, here in the City we snap and shoot someone from time to time. Out in the boondocks people snap, kill forty or fifty people from time to time. They often cook and eat them as well.

Who's crazier?


We use all the parts, too.
 
2012-10-11 09:40:11 AM  
Have lived in several large metropolises and would not want to be there when all hell breaks loose. I will keep my little country homestead functioning without city water, city sewer, city food (oh wait there is no food grown or raised in a city), or city services. I grow my own food, have neighbors to barter for meat with, hunt, and raise fish in the ponds. Live off the grid, only real dependancy is the internet. Keep plenty of ammo. Have two mean ass dogs. Also have a shovel and a bag of lime.

/yes old
//no lawn play all you want in the fields, watch out for the snakes.
 
2012-10-11 10:27:15 AM  

taurusowner: This. Basic survival in a city is entirely dependent on an enormously complex system of supply,, support, communication, and enforced order. Nearly all food is brought in from elsewhere. Water supplies and waste removal requires actively maintained systems. Social order is enforced, and all of this depends of instantaneous communication. Look at what happens in cities any time one of these is interrupted. A blizzard closes roads used to supply food, power outage cuts off traffic lights, internet, refrigerators (both residential and commercial), etc. A riot takes law enforcement attention away from common crime, which in turn, skyrockets. And there's a million more possibilities. City life might be fun and stimulating, but the cost is that your very survival requires all of these elements to always work in tandem with no interruptions or breakdowns. Whenever there is one, you get something like New Orleans, the LA riots, or even just the massive lack of food and water that happened recently during the east coast power outage.


Survival almost anywhere in modern society is dependent on that enormously complex web. In cities, the web has more strands and it is far harder to make it fail. 400 acres in the Poconos isn't going to feed you in February unless you keep 6 months of preserved food on hand and who wants to eat that shiat every day? When the power fails in New York City, it's a really big deal because it only happens every 30 years. If the power goes out for 12 hours in Danville, PA it just means there was another ice storm. We'll get to it tomorrow, maybe. Hope you have a warm sleeping bag.

I've lived in the country, small towns, suburbs, and in the city. Suburbs are IMO the worst but the country is pretty bad too unless you grew up there and already know everyone around. There's nothing to do and no way to meet new people.
 
2012-10-11 10:30:57 AM  

you have pee hands: Survival almost anywhere in modern society is dependent on that enormously complex web. In cities, the web has more strands and it is far harder to make it fail. 400 acres in the Poconos isn't going to feed you in February unless you keep 6 months of preserved food on hand and who wants to eat that shiat every day?


Everyone will, if there's nothing else available. That's why I store what I eat normally, and yes, I do already have more than 6 months on hand.
 
2012-10-11 10:37:47 AM  
If only there was some alternate to either living in the city or living in the country...

You people, yes "you people", talking about all the shopping you have in the city are full of shiat. Yes, the stores are there and many are great, but I can get from my house in the suburbs to that same store outside the city in less time than it takes you to make the intracity trip. In the burbs, even far burbs that don't look like burbs, we can get to any needed location within 5-15 minutes. Dozens of good restaurants and all the crappy chains, Wally World, Target, Cosco, SAMS, a dozen crappy dollar stores, Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, 3 Ace hardware stores, Maceys/Carsons, Kohl's, shoe stores. And we won't pay to park or worry about our cars getting farked up or stolen while we go into a store for 15 minutes. The city has great stuff, but here's the thing....you don't have to live there. I can get to the field museum, McCormick place, Shedd Aquarium, Ohare airport, or anywhere else in Chicago in under one hour from a place that is actually pretty nice to live in. When we walk in our neighborhoods, we don't feel the need to turn our heads to look behind us every 50 feet like people in the city do. Yes, you do do that. And you appear apprehensive and tense while doing so. Great life - you sure do have it all! We don't get accosted for money or smokes out here either. Nobody wants to wash our car windshields with a dirty rag. And we have all your ethnic food out here too. As it turns out, a lot of ethnic minorities, who are damn good cocks, don't want to live in a cockroach infested cesspool either.

Just kidding, the city is great. I'm totally jealous and wish I had what it takes to live there.
 
2012-10-11 10:46:01 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: who are damn good cocks


I was all ready to reply to your post in an intelligent, thoughtful manner, but then I saw this and decided I'd rather just make fun of you.

/I guess when all you have access to are country women, the alternative starts to look pretty good
//nttawwt
 
2012-10-11 10:48:26 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: I can get to the field museum, McCormick place, Shedd Aquarium, Ohare airport, or anywhere else in Chicago in under one hour from a place that is actually pretty nice to live in. When we walk in our neighborhoods, we don't feel the need to turn our heads to look behind us every 50 feet like people in the city do. Yes, you do do that.


You know how I know you're from Naperville? 

And no, I don't do that. Pussy.
 
2012-10-11 10:51:34 AM  
Anyway, Big_Fat_Liar, know how I know you've never actually lived in a city? You think that when "us people" talk about shopping, we're talking about

Big_Fat_Liar: Wally World, Target, Cosco, SAMS, a dozen crappy dollar stores, Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, 3 Ace hardware stores, Maceys/Carsons, Kohl's,


Based on that, I'm guessing your "dozens of good restaurants" includes Chili's and Applebees, too.
 
2012-10-11 10:53:59 AM  

trophy1903: Have lived in several large metropolises and would not want to be there when all hell breaks loose. I will keep my little country homestead functioning without city water, city sewer, city food (oh wait there is no food grown or raised in a city)


Depends on the city. Here's good fishing in the harbour and some of the lakes, lots of parks with fine soil and a forest park just north of the city crawling with deer. People have alotments for growing produce. Communal city farms are still rare but growing in numbers, and there are lots of fruit trees in green inner city backyards and suburban gardens. Birds, squirrels and rats are easy to hunt or trap and perfectly edible.
The city is surrounded by farmland, forests, wild nature and oceans, so I could get on my bike and be hunting, fishing or foraging in the wild within half an hour. And if farms are still running in this hell-breaking-lose scenario where nothing works for some reason, farmers will probably still bring their products to towns and cities and sell them on markets, like humans have done for thousands of years.

Basically, worrying about starving to death in a post-apocalyptic societal and technological breakdown because of my urban dwelling is on my list of prioritized concerns, just below Zombie Horde, Alien Invasion, The Rapture and The Rise of Chtulu.
There are plenty of good arguments for a pastoral existance, but this is not one of them.
 
2012-10-11 11:06:18 AM  

Ambitwistor: elchupacabra: /couldn't finish the article, my BS detector pinged when seeing "Nature" and "city study" in the same screen.

You know that Nature is the most prestigious scientific journal in the world, right? (Or second most, depending on who you talk to.)


Oooooh whoopsy. I was thinking something else. Teach me to Fark and read articles at the same time.

Original question still stands; what's defined as a city?
 
2012-10-11 11:14:40 AM  
Wouldn't this theory be a logical extension of "convicts going crazy in overloaded prisons" syndrome we hear about? Much less intense setting than prison, obviously, but on the same spectrum of overcrowded conditions and limited mobility for many city-dwellers.

We moved away from the city in our early 20's--way too noisy and crowded. And that was just Milwaukee. I think I would start shooting the neighborhood if I had to live in downtown Chicago or New York.

/Says the guy who's going to visit Chicago and the Art Institute tomorrow.
 
2012-10-11 11:22:12 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: When we walk in our neighborhoods, we don't feel the need to turn our heads to look behind us every 50 feet like people in the city do. Yes, you do do that.


If we did that, we would be constantly bumping into each other, country mouse.
 
2012-10-11 11:29:12 AM  

fickenchucker: Says the guy who's going to visit Chicago and the Art Institute tomorrow.


Great. At the very least don't drive and walk like you mean it.
 
2012-10-11 11:48:08 AM  

Internet Meme Rogers: fickenchucker: Says the guy who's going to visit Chicago and the Art Institute tomorrow.

Great. At the very least don't drive and walk like you mean it.




?
 
2012-10-11 12:04:19 PM  

fickenchucker: Internet Meme Rogers: fickenchucker: Says the guy who's going to visit Chicago and the Art Institute tomorrow.

Great. At the very least don't drive and walk like you mean it.



?


I have no idea what the "don't drive" part is all about, but I can attest to the fact that most tourists walk r.....e.....a.....l......l.....y.................s.......l......o..... .w.......l......y........ And don't get me wrong, I agree that Chicago is a beautiful city and I like to look around quite a bit myself, but when you get the urge to rubberneck, don't do it in the middle of the sidewalk during rush hour.

By the way, have fun at the Art Institute. I'm not an art buff by any stretch, but that place is farking amazing (I work right across the street, so I go quite a bit).
 
2012-10-11 12:19:46 PM  
I was mostly kidding, but I find that tourists don't do well in Chicago traffic. People who visit me tend to freak out when we drive down the Kennedy. And yeah, the walking slowly thing kills me. It's not really fair, because there's a lot to look at, but it's annoying nonetheless.

/make sure to see the Thorne Miniature Rooms if you haven't already
 
2012-10-11 12:28:24 PM  

Huck Chaser: fickenchucker: Internet Meme Rogers: fickenchucker: Says the guy who's going to visit Chicago and the Art Institute tomorrow.

Great. At the very least don't drive and walk like you mean it.



?

I have no idea what the "don't drive" part is all about, but I can attest to the fact that most tourists walk r.....e.....a.....l......l.....y.................s.......l......o..... .w.......l......y........ And don't get me wrong, I agree that Chicago is a beautiful city and I like to look around quite a bit myself, but when you get the urge to rubberneck, don't do it in the middle of the sidewalk during rush hour.

By the way, have fun at the Art Institute. I'm not an art buff by any stretch, but that place is farking amazing (I work right across the street, so I go quite a bit).




Ah. I was confused. I thought you meant to "drive and walk" slowly.

I would agree with your suggestions. Wifey and I have been there 10 times or so, but first time with the teenagers, now that they know what they're looking at. My personal rule was to never take little kids there. It's like taking babies to a candle-lit restaurant.
 
2012-10-11 12:43:45 PM  
It would have been a much clearer post with a well placed comma. Sorry about that.
 
2012-10-11 11:47:27 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: When we walk in our neighborhoods, we don't feel the need to turn our heads to look behind us every 50 feet like people in the city do.


American cities maybe. Isn't it about time you became more civilized?
 
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