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2012-10-10 04:02:12 PM  
ya think?
 
2012-10-10 04:07:32 PM  
Next, President Obama commented on the high moisture content of water.
 
2012-10-10 04:08:25 PM  
People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.
 
2012-10-10 04:11:03 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


to be fair, this.
 
2012-10-10 04:22:16 PM  
"I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"
 
2012-10-10 04:25:03 PM  

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.


Also, actual independent voters who are (somehow) still undecided have said the president sometimes comes off as condescending and professorial, so he may have been overcompensating for that.
 
2012-10-10 04:37:18 PM  
FTFA: Obama: "I think it's fair to say that we will see a little more activity at the next one."

I hope so, any less activity and he's be declared dead and Biden would take over as President.
 
2012-10-10 04:39:38 PM  

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.
 
2012-10-10 04:44:19 PM  

FlashHarry: see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


I believe it's called "taking personal responsibility for his actions"
 
2012-10-10 04:47:06 PM  
Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.
 
2012-10-10 04:54:02 PM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault...


Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.
 
2012-10-10 04:55:49 PM  
Nabb1 Fark Independent.
 
2012-10-10 05:00:38 PM  
"The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.
 
2012-10-10 05:01:00 PM  

what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.


I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.
 
2012-10-10 05:01:13 PM  

Nabb1: Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


apologies for lumping you in.
 
2012-10-10 05:04:22 PM  

what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.


Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)
 
2012-10-10 05:09:12 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


He could, you know, say this very thing in the debate.

"Fellow Americans, I came to this debate with real solutions to real problems. I answered the questions with facts and detailed plans; I came to talk to you because my opponent, Mr. Windsock, believes in nothing. He believes in nothing and will actually say anything he thinks you want to hear. There is no plan on that side of the stage, at least no plan beyond being bold in his lies and using them in his pathetic attempt to get a job he doesn't want to do.

"He doesn't want to be president, he wants to be CEO; the same kind of CEO he was at Bain. He wants to suck the value out of this country to enrich his friends and himself."
 
2012-10-10 05:10:44 PM  

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)


No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.
 
2012-10-10 05:15:04 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.


i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.
 
2012-10-10 05:20:08 PM  

FlashHarry: TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.

i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.


easy there. it doesn't fit with their excuse narrative, so they have to ignore it.
 
2012-10-10 05:22:13 PM  

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.


If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.
 
2012-10-10 06:01:55 PM  

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.

If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.


I like this. British Petroleum had only two choices for their label. It was BP or GOP. After dozens of focus groups the firm chose to let millions of barrels of oil leak into the Gulf of Mexico, and then advertised, "BP could be worse, at least we're not the GOP."
 
2012-10-10 06:08:54 PM  
So much for the light show
Pissing on while pissing off
Sucking in a smokescreen
Selling of a loose knit dream
 
2012-10-10 06:42:14 PM  

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.

If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.


How dare you slander the Holy Trinity of Ernest, Julio and Gallo.

I'll have you know I've only gone blind in one eye drinking their sweet, sweet nectar.
 
2012-10-10 07:13:56 PM  

Aarontology: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.


He's no independent.
 
2012-10-10 07:23:53 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.


THIS!

Game on boyfriend
 
2012-10-10 08:40:01 PM  
There had better be some strategy behind all this.
 
2012-10-10 08:41:04 PM  
He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.
 
2012-10-10 08:42:52 PM  
And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate
 
2012-10-10 08:43:14 PM  

James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.



It wasn't strategy for Obama to have to spend a week defending his debate performance. I think the strategy was to appear to be the calm, confident adult in the room in the face of Romney's "zingers." Instead, Obama stood at the plate and watched one meatball after another float right through the strike zone.

He obviously gets it, now. The remaining debates will be very interesting.
 
2012-10-10 08:44:40 PM  

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un?



Negotiating is for p*ssies! Did John Wayne negotiate with the Nazis? Hell no.
 
2012-10-10 08:45:38 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.
 
2012-10-10 08:46:39 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.


It wasn't strategy for Obama to have to spend a week defending his debate performance. I think the strategy was to appear to be the calm, confident adult in the room in the face of Romney's "zingers." Instead, Obama stood at the plate and watched one meatball after another float right through the strike zone.

He obviously gets it, now. The remaining debates will be very interesting.


Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.

I have class tomorrow night so I'll have to DVR it. But it'll be interesting to see how Biden handles Ryan.

Biden will probably be the attack dog, attacking all the flaws of Romney/Ryan's budget plan while Ryan keeps whining and complaining how it's all a lie with nothing to back it up but the assumptions based on a bunch of right-wing think tanks. 

If Biden does come out as the winner and does expose the flaws of Ryan's plan, the tides might turn back to Obama again.
 
2012-10-10 08:48:10 PM  

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate


Yup. Bring nothing to the table, and brow-beat like a used car salesman. Lincoln would be so proud.
 
2012-10-10 08:49:52 PM  

Aarontology: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.


Nope... garden variety Fark Independent.
 
2012-10-10 08:49:55 PM  

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.
 
2012-10-10 08:51:40 PM  
And when he comes up swinging and tears into Mitt and Granny Oklahoma and Grampy First Baptist say "He seems like a very angry negro," you'll understand why he was too polite the first time.
 
2012-10-10 08:52:19 PM  
And let us be frank about it. A Fark Independent is just a regular smarmy conservative who thinks too much of their own "intelligence" to self identify with Tea Baggers.
 
2012-10-10 08:52:40 PM  
If we don't hear "that's not what you said in the last debate" then Obama doesn't want to win.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:01 PM  

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate


That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate. One of those things end in a compromise, the others don't. Being polite yet firm is the way to negotiate, you don't walk in with guns blazing, when you address the leader of a soverign nation.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:03 PM  
After almost two weeks of being told what a choking, impotent weakling he is it's pretty much a certainty that he'll perform stronger in the next debate. You'd have to be deaf, blind, and dumb to take all this criticism and not do something about it.

Can it be Tuesday yet?
 
2012-10-10 08:53:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.


On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:51 PM  
No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.
 
2012-10-10 08:54:58 PM  
I also took a trip to an alternate reality where Obama just destroyed Romney and the supposed MSM is saying how Obama was too aggressive and turned off voters, especially women who don't want an aggressive man for president.
 
2012-10-10 08:55:03 PM  
No, 0bama was not polite, he was completely clueless.

The one thing in his complete control was the closing statement. It was farking awful.

He generally had no ideas of explanations of what he is doing in the next four years except his old tired lines of corporate jets and did he mention again how ATMs are taking people's jobs?

He sounds tired.
 
2012-10-10 08:55:15 PM  

Nabb1: FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault...

Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


Question: do you honestly believe, if elected, "your guy" would be able to work with congress?
 
2012-10-10 08:55:51 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I heart PB' in their slambooks, and sees this as his final audition for 2016. Also he's bright enough to hit Joe back if he gaffes.

On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


FTFM
 
2012-10-10 08:57:30 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrtraveler01: Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.

On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


I have a con ed class I really need. I am going to miss the debate. I am going to try and find a replay though. It should be very interesting.
 
2012-10-10 08:57:46 PM  

FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.
 
2012-10-10 08:58:52 PM  

dr_blasto: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

He could, you know, say this very thing in the debate.

"Fellow Americans, I came to this debate with real solutions to real problems. I answered the questions with facts and detailed plans; I came to talk to you because my opponent, Mr. Windsock, believes in nothing. He believes in nothing and will actually say anything he thinks you want to hear. There is no plan on that side of the stage, at least no plan beyond being bold in his lies and using them in his pathetic attempt to get a job he doesn't want to do.

"He doesn't want to be president, he wants to be CEO; the same kind of CEO he was at Bain. He wants to suck the value out of this country to enrich his friends and himself."


That is EXCELLENT! Somebody forward that to an Obama campaign office, STAT!!!
 
2012-10-10 08:59:29 PM  

TalenLee: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.


I've likened him to Jackie Robinson. His memoirs and biographies will make for fantastic reading, someday.

/oh and welcome to my favorites
 
2012-10-10 08:59:43 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.

shower_in_my_socks: He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.


Hell- I just want to watch Biden make Ryan cry.
 
2012-10-10 09:00:25 PM  

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


It's not over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor?
 
2012-10-10 09:00:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.

If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.


Are you just cutting and pasting prior posts now? You get paid 50 cents for every reply on this site? I've made you over a dollar already today...sigh.
 
2012-10-10 09:02:00 PM  
good, now that romney is the master debater, kid gloves can come off and obama can eviscerate him with things like facts.
 
2012-10-10 09:02:26 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: If we don't hear "that's not what you said in the last debate" then Obama doesn't want to win.


Well, would you want four more years of the shiat he and his family have dealt with? Everything's a scandal, even the mustard he puts on his burger, or his wife wanting kids to not be fatties, or his daughter wearing a t-shirt around the house. I wouldn't even campaign if I were him. I'd make one commercial that says "You need to actually think about what you do this November and consider all the consequences. The fate of this nation and your future hinge on this guy not getting into the WH. Choice is yours, America. I'm Barack Obama, and I'm set for life no matter what happens. You, however, might just be well and truly farked."
 
2012-10-10 09:02:39 PM  

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate


As someone who lettered in debate in High School, I think I have some fairly solid footing when I say: Lying nearly 30 times in less than 40 minutes is the exact opposite of knowing how to debate.
 
2012-10-10 09:03:37 PM  

MrSplifferton: That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate.


For a Republican, the point is the same in both. You have to Win. "Negotiate" for a Republican means that Iran gives up nukes end of story. That's Obama's problem, he wants everyone to be happy with the outcome and that is how Israel gets destroyed.
 
2012-10-10 09:04:41 PM  

Teufelaffe: Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate

As someone who lettered in debate in High School, I think I have some fairly solid footing when I say: Lying nearly 30 times in less than 40 minutes is the exact opposite of knowing how to debate.


You have to admit though, in politics, being able to handle liars is a vital skill.
 
2012-10-10 09:05:55 PM  
More like completely completely unable to continue to lie in the face of the truth of the last four years.
 
2012-10-10 09:07:04 PM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: More like completely completely unable to continue to lie in the face of the truth of the last four years.


Romney?

Yeah, I agree the truth will catch up with him eventually.
 
2012-10-10 09:08:36 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


Richard Dawkins stopped debating creationists a few years ago because he realized if your opponent isn't bound by basic logic, you can't win. It devolves into two men on a stage calling each other liars, both dismissing the other's evidence.

We should have seen it, in retrospect. We saw how shiatty Romney's performance was in the primary debates, and assumed he'd be exactly as stiff and awkward, and Obama would easily school him (hence why he used Kerry as a debate partner). But all it took was a few debating lessons to rid Romney of his debate awkwardness and his willingness to say anything, take any position, made him pretty much unbeatable. He looks like a charlatan to anyone who is aware of his positions, but that's probably 10% of the electorate. Everyone else watches the debate and sees a confident guy outwitting a befuddled guy. They don't get that Obama is befuddled because the guy he's arguing with has flipped his position on everything he claimed to believe the day before.
 
2012-10-10 09:08:38 PM  

mahuika: FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.

Also, actual independent voters who are (somehow) still undecided have said the president sometimes comes off as condescending and professorial, so he may have been overcompensating for that.


The GOP deserves to be the subject of a condenscending attitude
 
2012-10-10 09:08:58 PM  

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.


What he said. I'm not saying that Obama shouldn't have done better but when he other guy is just saying complete bullshiat and lies his ass off, I can understand getting a bit taken off guard.
 
2012-10-10 09:10:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No, 0bama was not polite, he was completely clueless.

The one thing in his complete control was the closing statement. It was farking awful.

He generally had no ideas of explanations of what he is doing in the next four years except his old tired lines of corporate jets and did he mention again how ATMs are taking people's jobs?

He sounds tired.


It will be interesting to see if he behaves like a complete douche in the next debates or not. Sure, it would immortalize him in the left, but could cost him even more voters if he does.
 
2012-10-10 09:10:15 PM  

Shaggy_C: MrSplifferton: That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate.

For a Republican, the point is the same in both. You have to Win. "Negotiate" for a Republican means that Iran gives up nukes end of story. That's Obama's problem, he wants everyone to be happy with the outcome and that is how Israel gets destroyed.


Because if there's anything history has proven, time and time again, it's that the end justifies the means.
 
2012-10-10 09:10:29 PM  

Mugato: FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.

What he said. I'm not saying that Obama shouldn't have done better but when he other guy is just saying complete bullshiat and lies his ass off, I can understand getting a bit taken off guard.


Especially when what he is saying basically is the opposite of what he had been saying previously.
 
2012-10-10 09:10:40 PM  

J Noble Daggett: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

It's not over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor?


Germans?
 
2012-10-10 09:10:41 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


Romney seemed to handle Obama pretty well anyway.

Pretty well? Hell, Romney showed Obama for the pretender he is. Going to be interesting to see how Obammer tries to recover from that ass-kicking.
 
2012-10-10 09:12:14 PM  

shotglasss: Going to be interesting to see how Obammer tries to recover from that ass-kicking.



It will be interesting. But not in a way that you're going to enjoy.
 
2012-10-10 09:12:55 PM  

shotglasss: Hell, Romney showed Obama for the pretender he is.


By telling 27 lies in 38 minutes?
 
2012-10-10 09:13:00 PM  

shotglasss: Pretty well? Hell, Romney showed Obama for the pretender he is.


The guy who spent the whole debate frantically running back to the center is showing Obama he's a pretender?
 
2012-10-10 09:13:21 PM  

EnviroDude: tenpoundsofcheese: No, 0bama was not polite, he was completely clueless.

The one thing in his complete control was the closing statement. It was farking awful.

He generally had no ideas of explanations of what he is doing in the next four years except his old tired lines of corporate jets and did he mention again how ATMs are taking people's jobs?

He sounds tired.

It will be interesting to see if he behaves like a complete douche in the next debates or not. Sure, it would immortalize him in the left, but could cost him even more voters if he does.


Well, "complete douche" would simply be taking it to Romney's level. I hope he doesn't, but you can't blame him for fighting fire with fire.
 
2012-10-10 09:13:29 PM  
Might as well take the gloves off, Mr. President. The people who will criticize you for being angry or not looking presidential weren't going to vote for you anyway. And those who support you want to see you fight.

When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:

images.politico.com

Save this nice guy, take-the-high-road shiat for another day. If you've got a mean streak in you...now's the time to break it out. You've got nothing to lose.
 
2012-10-10 09:15:06 PM  
Envirodude and tpoc are having a conversation? ...is that even allowed in the troll union?
 
2012-10-10 09:15:08 PM  

Teufelaffe: Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate

As someone who lettered in debate in High School, I think I have some fairly solid footing when I say: Lying nearly 30 times in less than 40 minutes is the exact opposite of knowing how to debate.


You have confused Presidential debates with forensics. Truth is irrelevant. Image is everything.
People who are swayed by facts have already be swayed. Only people to target are those who make irrational decisions based on emotional whimsy. Romney was masterful.
 
2012-10-10 09:16:53 PM  

Kuroshin: J Noble Daggett: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

It's not over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor?

Germans?


m2.mattters.com
welcome to the internet.
 
2012-10-10 09:17:21 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.


Aren't you the dumb biatch that thinks companies get taxed on revenue and not profit?

You make me feel smart whenever you post. Keep it up!
 
2012-10-10 09:17:42 PM  
I've noticed that Nate Silver's blog hasn't been updated in 24 hours. He must be busy skewing his system some more in between tears for his fallen prophet.
 
2012-10-10 09:18:24 PM  

I Browse: Might as well take the gloves off, Mr. President. The people who will criticize you for being angry or not looking presidential weren't going to vote for you anyway. And those who support you want to see you fight.

When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:

Save this nice guy, take-the-high-road shiat for another day. If you've got a mean streak in you...now's the time to break it out. You've got nothing to lose.


Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.
 
2012-10-10 09:18:38 PM  

I Browse: Might as well take the gloves off, Mr. President. The people who will criticize you for being angry or not looking presidential weren't going to vote for you anyway. And those who support you want to see you fight.

When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:

[images.politico.com image 297x223]

Save this nice guy, take-the-high-road shiat for another day. If you've got a mean streak in you...now's the time to break it out. You've got nothing to lose.


it is a well known fact that obama despises romney. he had to probably spend months working on not scowling and doing the colbert eyebrow the entire debate.
 
2012-10-10 09:19:21 PM  

I Browse: When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:


I prefer this face. You can just feel the seething disdain:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-10 09:19:42 PM  

snowshovel: I've noticed that Nate Silver's blog hasn't been updated in 24 hours. He must be busy skewing his system some more in between tears for his fallen prophet.


the numbers have been updated.
 
2012-10-10 09:20:06 PM  

snowshovel: I've noticed that Nate Silver's blog hasn't been updated in 24 hours. He must be busy skewing his system some more in between tears for his fallen prophet.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-10 09:21:56 PM  

shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.


It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.
 
2012-10-10 09:22:22 PM  
encycl.opentopia.com

"For master debating,one must be decisive,vigorous and alert."
 
2012-10-10 09:22:47 PM  

snowshovel: I've noticed that Nate Silver's blog hasn't been updated in 24 hours. He must be busy skewing his system some more in between tears for his fallen prophet.


...and Chris Matthews is eating a bowl of Prozac before every show. What used to be a thrill running up his leg has turned into a yellow stream going down his leg.
 
2012-10-10 09:23:46 PM  

I Browse: shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.

It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.


He should go all out, too. Like the Glen Beck rape and murder case.
 
2012-10-10 09:24:07 PM  

Apos: [encycl.opentopia.com image 144x180]

"For master debating,one must be decisive,vigorous and alert."


I've learned that one too many times before.

/wait, what were we talking about again?
 
2012-10-10 09:24:24 PM  

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


"I did X wrong"
"stop avoiding responsibility!"

how much more responsibility can he take then to say that he farked up and how?
 
2012-10-10 09:25:27 PM  
Now that he knows better, here's hoping in round two Obama takes the gloves off.
 
2012-10-10 09:26:23 PM  

TalenLee: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.


This is interesting. Is there a newsletter I can read, perhaps subscribe to, for more information? I think I've read a good article about this someplace.
 
2012-10-10 09:28:16 PM  

vrax:
[i50.tinypic.com image 222x222]



Dammit...I wasn't planning to masturbate this evening, but now you've left me no choice.

/why can't I stop staring at that gif??
 
2012-10-10 09:28:32 PM  

gerrymander: So much for the light show
Pissing on while pissing off
Sucking in a smokescreen
Selling of a loose knit dream


I love Silversun Pickups :)
 
2012-10-10 09:29:43 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: how much more responsibility can he take then to say that he farked up and how?


It's not a lack of responsiblity. He is refusing to give Romney credit for beating him. It's just like the Bin Laden raid "I, I, I". Could he be any more self-absorbed? Instead of "I was too nice" how about he just admit Romney is the winner? Perhaps he could even suspend his campaign and step down from the presidency. That might make Republicans happy.
 
2012-10-10 09:29:46 PM  

shotglasss: Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') lif


I really hope Romney asks that, because Obama can then point out that it was the House GOP that has been reducing embassy security funding since 2010.
 
2012-10-10 09:30:54 PM  

J Noble Daggett: Teufelaffe: Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate

As someone who lettered in debate in High School, I think I have some fairly solid footing when I say: Lying nearly 30 times in less than 40 minutes is the exact opposite of knowing how to debate.

You have confused Presidential debates with forensics. Truth is irrelevant. Image is everything.
People who are swayed by facts have already be swayed. Only people to target are those who make irrational decisions based on emotional whimsy. Romney was masterful.


Yes, no need to explain why his torrent of fabricated anecdotal bs might NOT be lies... Just go with "our guy lied out his ass the whole time, but did you see how confident he sounded doing it? Have you EVER been lied to so masterfully?"

Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-10-10 09:31:03 PM  

randomjsa: No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.


This. They live in an echo chamber. "Rmoney lied!!" never probably once reading all the lies Obama spewed.
 
2012-10-10 09:31:13 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


I disagree. Romney has shown himself to be a godamn liar time and time again even during the primaries and probably before that. How he conducted himself during the debate was absolutely no surprise or shouldn't have been. Obama should have been better prepared.
 
2012-10-10 09:31:37 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: TalenLee: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.

This is interesting. Is there a newsletter I can read, perhaps subscribe to, for more information? I think I've read a good article about this someplace.


I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.

And the voters are this close to letting them win. The entire story would make for fascinating reading/filming were it not still in progress.
 
2012-10-10 09:32:25 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: t's not over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor?

Germans?


welcome to the internet.


Sigh, you DO realize that is actually the line from the movie, right? Or did you just get owned?
 
2012-10-10 09:33:03 PM  

radioshack: randomjsa: No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.

This. They live in an echo chamber. "Rmoney lied!!" never probably once reading all the lies Obama spewed.


So Romney didn't lie during the debate?
 
2012-10-10 09:33:24 PM  

shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.


You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.
 
2012-10-10 09:34:54 PM  
Good, fine, whatever.
Now can we move on from making excuses for farks sake?

/You didn't think the guy would be gunning for you the second he got a podium in the same room?
/Well now you know. Don't halfass the job next time you meet him.
 
2012-10-10 09:35:23 PM  

The Great EZE: I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.

And the voters are this close to letting them win. The entire story would make for fascinating reading/filming were it not still in progress.


There's a percentage of the country that are just evil, rightist filth through and through, and some of them control the vast majority of media outlets. We swim in a sea of right-wing propaganda daily. The Democrats don't present a credible alternative because they don't offer any real solutions other than "what the evil pieces of shiat said, but, y'know, not quite so evil".

It's no mystery why this is happening.
 
2012-10-10 09:36:30 PM  

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.


Seconded.
 
2012-10-10 09:36:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01:
So Romney didn't lie during the debate?


Since when is it a lie to believe something completely inaccurate and then try and convince the rest of the nation of the same thing?
If you're going to use that as your definition then you might as well convince the church of lying, too.
 
2012-10-10 09:39:42 PM  
Yeah, it was "polite" -- not stupid, retarded or completely intellectually outmatched -- but "polite"

/dream on
 
2012-10-10 09:40:26 PM  
Too polite? Excuse while I go puke. You keep farking that chicken boy-bots. I'll be right back.
 
2012-10-10 09:40:43 PM  

MSFT: Mrtraveler01:
So Romney didn't lie during the debate?

Since when is it a lie to believe something completely inaccurate and then try and convince the rest of the nation of the same thing?
If you're going to use that as your definition then you might as well convince the church of lying, too.


What are you talking about? How about taking one position before the debate, then taking the opposite position during the debate? That has nothing to do with "believing" anything. It's a policy thing.
 
2012-10-10 09:40:59 PM  

The Great EZE: I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.


And yet, despite that, in an environment where you're basically using toothpaste where you need cement, he still got the stimulus, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and the ACA done. It's impressive, in a lot of ways.

And yet at the same time depressing, because, well, you know, America.
 
2012-10-10 09:43:04 PM  

Tarl3k: Markoff_Cheney: t's not over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor?

Germans?


welcome to the internet.

Sigh, you DO realize that is actually the line from the movie, right? Or did you just get owned?


i may concede that. i have shamed my family.
 
2012-10-10 09:43:38 PM  

mahuika: FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.

Also, actual independent voters who are (somehow) still undecided have said the president sometimes comes off as condescending and professorial, so he may have been overcompensating for that.


Who are these morons, and can we shoot them? If the choice is having a President who talks to me like I'm stupid, or a President who talks to me like I'm a college-educated adult (which I am), who would honestly choose the former?
 
2012-10-10 09:46:06 PM  

enik: completely intellectually outmatched


You should really go back and watch the debate sober.
 
2012-10-10 09:46:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: If the choice is having a President who talks to me like I'm stupid, or a President who talks to me like I'm a college-educated adult (which I am), who would honestly choose the former?


Someone who is keenly aware in the pit of their soul that they aren't smart.
 
2012-10-10 09:47:15 PM  

The Great EZE: I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.

And the voters are this close to letting them win. The entire story would make for fascinating reading/filming were it not still in progress.


It's actually kind of sad watching Obama speeches from 2008. With all of his "there's no red America or blue America just the United States of America" and "when we all work together" and whatnot, he actually sounds really naive. He had such high hopes but they were dashed on the shores of Washington realities. Remember how taken aback he was when McCain sent him that nasty, scathing letter about lobbying reform when he was a newly-elected freshman Senator? He should have known then that Washington was not the kind of town for honest to goodness nice people. If he loses re-election, history will teach us nothing more than DC chewed him up and spat him out.
 
2012-10-10 09:47:23 PM  

enik: not stupid, retarded or completely intellectually outmatched


Funny'd

This is a guy who won the debate because the other guy was on Ambien.

It sure as hell wasn't because of his incredibly vague policies.
 
2012-10-10 09:47:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: mahuika: FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.

Also, actual independent voters who are (somehow) still undecided have said the president sometimes comes off as condescending and professorial, so he may have been overcompensating for that.

Who are these morons, and can we shoot them? If the choice is having a President who talks to me like I'm stupid, or a President who talks to me like I'm a college-educated adult (which I am), who would honestly choose the former?


I have a theory about this. These "independent" voters are also being called (politely) "low information" voters. Essentially, these people haven't been following the campaigns like probably most of the people that follow the Politics tab.

So their first view of Romney is this somewhat moderate "debate Romney" and this guy looks pretty good. He's got some ideas, he's energized, etc.

So these low information voters are getting sold something that isn't what it seems. And they don't know any better.
 
2012-10-10 09:48:42 PM  

AeAe: MSFT: Mrtraveler01:
So Romney didn't lie during the debate?

Since when is it a lie to believe something completely inaccurate and then try and convince the rest of the nation of the same thing?
If you're going to use that as your definition then you might as well convince the church of lying, too.

What are you talking about? How about taking one position before the debate, then taking the opposite position during the debate? That has nothing to do with "believing" anything. It's a policy thing.


And my post was a "joke" thing.
 
2012-10-10 09:48:55 PM  

MSFT: Mrtraveler01:
So Romney didn't lie during the debate?

Since when is it a lie to believe something completely inaccurate and then try and convince the rest of the nation of the same thing?
If you're going to use that as your definition then you might as well convince the church of lying, too.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Romney believes everything he says. That means that when he says things that are direct contradictions of things he's previously said, sometimes minutes earlier, that he believes both things. You do realize that would mean he's schizophrenic, right? So, which do you think would be better as a president, someone who lies constantly or someone who wholly and truly believes contradictory things from one minute to the next?
 
2012-10-10 09:49:44 PM  

Shaggy_C: Holocaust Agnostic: how much more responsibility can he take then to say that he farked up and how?

It's not a lack of responsiblity. He is refusing to give Romney credit for beating him. It's just like the Bin Laden raid "I, I, I". Could he be any more self-absorbed? Instead of "I was too nice" how about he just admit Romney is the winner? Perhaps he could even suspend his campaign and step down from the presidency. That might make Republicans happy.


Yeah, people are really self-absorbed when they take fault. It's like the other day, this guy stepped on my toes and was like "I'm sorry! I wasn't watching my step!" and I told that self-absorbed libby-lib communist, "It's not all about you, asshole!" And then I punched him.
 
2012-10-10 09:50:20 PM  
I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.
 
2012-10-10 09:51:35 PM  

Teufelaffe: MSFT: Mrtraveler01:
So Romney didn't lie during the debate?

Since when is it a lie to believe something completely inaccurate and then try and convince the rest of the nation of the same thing?
If you're going to use that as your definition then you might as well convince the church of lying, too.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Romney believes everything he says. That means that when he says things that are direct contradictions of things he's previously said, sometimes minutes earlier, that he believes both things. You do realize that would mean he's schizophrenic, right? So, which do you think would be better as a president, someone who lies constantly or someone who wholly and truly believes contradictory things from one minute to the next?


Since both traits apply to Romney,is there a third option?
 
2012-10-10 09:51:46 PM  

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.


Nah, it means he can't go off script and debate ad-hoc.
 
2012-10-10 09:52:07 PM  

Teufelaffe: So, which do you think would be better as a president, someone who lies constantly or someone who wholly and truly believes contradictory things from one minute to the next?


You can't just make this a contest between one figurative man and one figurative woman, it's just not that simple.
 
2012-10-10 09:55:30 PM  

Nabb1: Gary


You know, I am among those who wants to support Gary, but cannot. I don't want R$ anywhere near the White House. Unlike the usual nutbags the Libertarians nominate, Gary is actually someone even a lib can get behind, because he is sane and honest.
 
2012-10-10 09:55:31 PM  

dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.


I know, the dude is down to the low 70% range. He'll probably drop down into the mid-60's once they catch him raping a white woman on top of a dead child.
 
2012-10-10 09:56:19 PM  

Nabb1: FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault...

Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


Who is your "guy", Gary Johnson or Rocky Anderson?
 
2012-10-10 09:56:29 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


he knew that going in there, or at least he should have known.

many conservatives figured that out during the primary, but were split as to what their ideal candidate was.
 
2012-10-10 09:56:41 PM  

Shaggy_C: The Great EZE: I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.

And the voters are this close to letting them win. The entire story would make for fascinating reading/filming were it not still in progress.

It's actually kind of sad watching Obama speeches from 2008. With all of his "there's no red America or blue America just the United States of America" and "when we all work together" and whatnot, he actually sounds really naive. He had such high hopes but they were dashed on the shores of Washington realities. Remember how taken aback he was when McCain sent him that nasty, scathing letter about lobbying reform when he was a newly-elected freshman Senator? He should have known then that Washington was not the kind of town for honest to goodness nice people. If he loses re-election, history will teach us nothing more than DC chewed him up and spat him out.


TalenLee: And yet, despite that, in an environment where you're basically using toothpaste where you need cement, he still got the stimulus, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and the ACA done. It's impressive, in a lot of ways.

And yet at the same time depressing, because, well, you know, America.


They're trying to Carter him but know full well they don't have as hospitable an environment for it as they did in 1980.

If it were fiction you'd know how this ends. He approaches the final debate and completely abandons his advisors. He'd go off-script in an impassioned sweaty near-filibuster, not letting Romney get a word in edgewise. Then, on the night before the election, Joe Biden has a "Now imagine she's white" moment in the last stump speech and the President wins the ultimate swing county in the ultimate swing state by 10 votes.

Of course, this isn't fiction so who knows WTF will happen.

/Wake the fark up, Florida
//You too, Colorado
///I've got my eye on you too, Ohio
 
2012-10-10 09:57:03 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.


I wonder if he was up on the stage thinking "Wow, I can't believe how well this is going - everything he says is either an obvious and outrageous lie or a complete reversal of his positions the last few months. Moderates will see that he's full of shiat and his base will crucify him for ditching the positions he panders to them with. I'll just let him keep talking." then the next day he turned on the news to see how it went and said "Doh! I forgot most people have shiat for brains."
 
2012-10-10 09:58:10 PM  

MSFT: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.

I know, the dude is down to the low 70% range. He'll probably drop down into the mid-60's once they catch him raping a white woman on top of a dead child.


probability isn't the same as the electoral/popular vote outcome. but thanks for playing.
 
2012-10-10 10:06:47 PM  

dumbobruni: MSFT: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.

I know, the dude is down to the low 70% range. He'll probably drop down into the mid-60's once they catch him raping a white woman on top of a dead child.

probability isn't the same as the electoral/popular vote outcome. but thanks for playing.


Reagan beat Carter with 51% of the popular vote.
Would you say that was a landslide?

p.s.
I like this game
 
2012-10-10 10:06:58 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: shower_in_my_socks: He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.

I wonder if he was up on the stage thinking "Wow, I can't believe how well this is going - everything he says is either an obvious and outrageous lie or a complete reversal of his positions the last few months. Moderates will see that he's full of shiat and his base will crucify him for ditching the positions he panders to them with. I'll just let him keep talking." then the next day he turned on the news to see how it went and said "Doh! I forgot most people have shiat for brains."


Not sure about Obama, but that's sure as hell what I was thinking.

Then I read the fark debate thread.
 
2012-10-10 10:10:52 PM  

FlashHarry: ya think?


He expected an actual debate, and got a two-ring circus managed by a half-deaf ringmaster, cheered by the type of folks that would cheer because a quarterback was knocked unconscious on the field.

Next debate, Romney's getting an ass-whupping. Bet on it.
 
2012-10-10 10:15:55 PM  

MSFT: dumbobruni: MSFT: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.

I know, the dude is down to the low 70% range. He'll probably drop down into the mid-60's once they catch him raping a white woman on top of a dead child.

probability isn't the same as the electoral/popular vote outcome. but thanks for playing.

Reagan beat Carter with 51% of the popular vote.
Would you say that was a landslide?

p.s.
I like this game


in electoral votes, yes.

I was blasted for suggesting that the EV split would be like Bush/Kerry.

in case you haven't noticed, Nate Silver handed Florida to Romney, and Colorado is slipping away (and is Romney's in the "Now Cast" scenario).
 
2012-10-10 10:17:03 PM  

Nabb1: Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


Sorry, but the debates are for serious candidates that actually have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. Third party candidates that only exist for people to throw away their votes in some meaningless protest gesture that can at most be a spoiler that can be self defeating.

Remember 2000? Left-wing voters for Nader took away votes for Gore, so we got Bush. Thus, voting for the far-left candidate got us a far right candidate. The way our electoral system is set up, you would be better off to flush your ballot down the toilet than to vote for a third party candidate.

/Voted for a third party candidate in 2000
//Never Again
 
2012-10-10 10:22:33 PM  
Yeah, Obama, maybe you can actually show up for the next one. Supposedly debates don't change anything but the numbers on 538 aren't all that pretty.
 
2012-10-10 10:24:32 PM  

dumbobruni: MSFT: dumbobruni: MSFT: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

friggin hilarious.

I know, the dude is down to the low 70% range. He'll probably drop down into the mid-60's once they catch him raping a white woman on top of a dead child.

probability isn't the same as the electoral/popular vote outcome. but thanks for playing.

Reagan beat Carter with 51% of the popular vote.
Would you say that was a landslide?

p.s.
I like this game

in electoral votes, yes.

I was blasted for suggesting that the EV split would be like Bush/Kerry.

in case you haven't noticed, Nate Silver handed Florida to Romney, and Colorado is slipping away (and is Romney's in the "Now Cast" scenario).


In case you haven't noticed they postponed the election until early November. According to the LAMEstream media last weeks election isn't even going to count!
 
2012-10-10 10:25:18 PM  

The Great EZE: Bennie Crabtree: TalenLee: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.

This is interesting. Is there a newsletter I can read, perhaps subscribe to, for more information? I think I've read a good article about this someplace.

I can't wait to read the books written about this administration in 5-10 years. He was told not long after his inauguration that the people he was supposed to "cooperate" with want nothing less than to see him fail, the fate of the citizens be damned. An unprecedented string of obstructionism followed and now, come reelection time, the same people are coming back to say he's the bad guy.

And the voters are this close to letting them win. The entire story would make for fascinating reading/filming were it not still in progress.


I don't think it would be a fascinating story at all, especially since its been basically, you know, the same goddamn story we've had for 200 years. You act as if this hasn't been played out before. OMG politics are being played!!
 
2012-10-10 10:31:36 PM  
No, Mr. President, you pretty much showed all the low-information voters that the GOP was right: you can't speak without a teleprompter.

/even though everyone else knows that's not true.
 
2012-10-10 10:32:44 PM  

theorellior: Yeah, Obama, maybe you can actually show up for the next one.


Reagan got beat like a rented mule in his first debate with Mondale. Kerry mopped the floor with Bush in their first debate.
 
2012-10-10 10:34:25 PM  
BTW the idea that Romney won shows a fundamental problem with the media and others, Romney offered no specifics and lied through his teeth yet somehow that shouldn't mean he lost. By any objective measure Romney had nothing.
 
2012-10-10 10:35:03 PM  
Nothing wrong with being polite, eh.
 
2012-10-10 10:35:33 PM  

radioshack: I don't think it would be a fascinating story at all, especially since its been basically, you know, the same goddamn story we've had for 200 years. You act as if this hasn't been played out before. OMG politics are being played!!


This isn't some hicktown congressional race where the locals are just starting to get enlightened and don't know how to handle it. And in all the dramatic stories from presidential elections in he past this one certainly hasn't been seen before--at least not in a couple of generations and certainly not with all the undertones of this one.

That's why I do nothing but scoff when people try to compare Obama and Clinton. "Hey, Republicans didn't like Clinton but they still worked with him!" Yeah, well there were certain things about Clinton that made him more palatable to cooperate with, and I don't mean his accent. And the "impeachment" was as big a joke as the act that inspired it.

If you don't think the past four years haven't been extraordinary I don't know what to say.

/Besides, in the history of the written word there have only been about a handful of different dramatic stories told. It's just perspective and context that changes.
 
2012-10-10 10:41:14 PM  
Just a random thought, but since Bush bailed out Wall Street doesn't that make all of those people welfare queens?

I wonder if they're ashamed of suckling on the government teat for so much cash without providing any value in return.....

Hey, what do you think, Dumbobruni?
 
2012-10-10 10:51:27 PM  

Karne: tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.

If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.

Are you just cutting and pasting prior posts now? You get paid 50 cents for every reply on this site? I've made you over a dollar already today...sigh.


The thing I like is the implicit endorsement of the UN.
 
2012-10-10 10:54:24 PM  
Obama was probably too stunned to respond much. This was probably the first time in his Presidency that anyone called him out on his shat and he didn't know how to take it, the narcissic fool.
 
2012-10-10 10:55:03 PM  

MSFT: Just a random thought, but since Bush bailed out Wall Street doesn't that make all of those people welfare queens?

I wonder if they're ashamed of suckling on the government teat for so much cash without providing any value in return.....

Hey, what do you think, Dumbobruni?


i'm registered with the Working Families Party. what do you think my view is?
 
2012-10-10 10:57:41 PM  
Some times I think I'm too polite to some people on Fark.

Seriously though, he called Bush unpatriotic, said Republicans didn't care about brown people in New Orleans, that Republicans don't want clean air or water, etc etc. So when he completely fails to land a punch on Romney... it's because he's too polite.

Hey, he sells what his audience likes to buy. That's how business works.
 
2012-10-10 11:00:41 PM  

FlashHarry: TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.

i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.


its evidence of pretty poor judgment, to prioritize politeness over talking truth to lying false untruthtelling republican.

Politeness > the good of the country

what about the children? who will give them their welfare?
 
2012-10-10 11:04:10 PM  

tony41454: Obama was probably too stunned to respond much. This was probably the first time in his Presidency that anyone called him out on his shat and he didn't know how to take it, the narcissic fool.


This.
He came out of the debate thinking he had won ha ha ha. I thought he lost because he met a different Romney but you know I don't think I've heard more excuses for failing in a debate.
 
2012-10-10 11:08:01 PM  

James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.


Nah, Obama strikes me as a genuinely nice guy who honestly has no idea just how horrible people are. I feel sorry for the guy every time this happens to him. Right now being him must suck ass.

/That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...
 
2012-10-10 11:11:20 PM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


Honest question - can anyone recall a time in the last 10 years that a Republican owned his/her mistakes, rather than blaming the "liberal media: or other assorted bogeymen?" We live in country where Sarah Palin wasn't an idiot on national TV, but that vanguard of investigative journalism Katie farking Couric had diabolically set her up to fail.

"Most Republicans are smarter than Palin," you say? Fine. Show me one (hopefully two) who own up to their bullsh*t instead of blaming it on phantasms that were aligned against them. Difficulty: the "new" GOP.

/personal responsibility, my sweet ass
 
2012-10-10 11:13:00 PM  

Mugato: shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.

You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.


"Resort to the Libya thing"? You mean "bring up the failure of Obama to secure our Ambassador in the face of an imminent terrorist attack by al Qaeda"? Yep, they are sure to bring that up because it is another example of Obama's failure to take seriously the fact that muslims around the world don't love us just because he loves them.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:02 PM  

tony41454: Obama was probably too stunned to respond much. This was probably the first time in his Presidency that anyone called him out on his shat and he didn't know how to take it, the narcissic fool.


In other news, telling 27 lies in 38 minutes now constitutes "calling Obama on his shiat." Next up, saying that active duty combat personnel don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" is the same as being strong on defense.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:51 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.

If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.


The meeting where the others leaders said they did not expect to be meeting with the president? Where, in fact, they were too busy with their own schedules to particularly care what the president was doing that day?

Why should he have made those ceremonial and time wasting meetings when he is in continual electronic contact with said world leaders?

This is the 21st century, do try to keep up.

Also, what did he say, specifically, to Letterman that was a lie? Use his exact words please, with no parsing.
 
2012-10-10 11:14:05 PM  

PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


A society dominated by selfish individuals where psychopathy is not something to be shunned but rather embraced -- where winning is all that matters, and damn the long-term consequences of anything that we do?
 
2012-10-10 11:14:06 PM  

PsiChick: James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.

Nah, Obama strikes me as a genuinely nice guy who honestly has no idea just how horrible people are. I feel sorry for the guy every time this happens to him. Right now being him must suck ass.

/That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


I think Obama knows exactly how horrible people are, but for some reason he's convinced that it would be politically disastrous for him to show some aggression and call the repubs out on their bullshiat. It's worked for him sometimes to sit back and let the other side tie themselves up in their own bullshiat, but the problem is that he relies on that tactic too often.
 
2012-10-10 11:15:39 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


No it isn't. Just keep hitting him with the reality of hos contradicting opinions.
 
2012-10-10 11:17:51 PM  

PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


Americans are very miserable motherfarkers. And this has nothing to do with politics. I've known far too many people whose idea of parenting involves crushing their children's dreams early and making sure they never forget their flaws and limitations--even if they have to make some up to drive the point home. Far too many people admire the worst in others (deceitfulness, selfishness, lack of anything resembling empathy) because those traits are identified with wealth. Idealism is a four-letter word in America and anyone who wants to make better for themselves or their communities are called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.

Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.
 
2012-10-10 11:18:29 PM  

kg2095: Just keep hitting him with the reality of hos


If Obama could hit him with the reality of his ho's there wouldn't need to be a debate.
 
2012-10-10 11:20:24 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.


"I was too nice" != "The dog ate my homework"
 
2012-10-10 11:21:11 PM  

The Great EZE: called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.


Yes, I know it's spelled "role." Damn lack of an editing feature.

/But since I mentioned it, I'd like to think a "leadership roll" is one of those addictive sweet Hawaiian rolls.
 
2012-10-10 11:24:20 PM  

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.


Are you kidding? After the outrageous things that have been said by various members of the Psychopath Party?

The party of family values politicians that are routinely caught farking away from home? The family of anti-abortion politicians that are caught on tape urging his mistress to have an abortion? The party that wants to gut social welfare programs for the most disadvantaged members of the community, while keeping corporate welfare for multinational corporations?

Is that the GOP you are surprised many of us reject? What surprises me is that anyone would come out in support of such a hypocritical, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom of choice, mean spirited bunch of sociopathic hypocrites.
 
2012-10-10 11:25:13 PM  

The Great EZE: PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...

Americans are very miserable motherfarkers. And this has nothing to do with politics. I've known far too many people whose idea of parenting involves crushing their children's dreams early and making sure they never forget their flaws and limitations--even if they have to make some up to drive the point home. Far too many people admire the worst in others (deceitfulness, selfishness, lack of anything resembling empathy) because those traits are identified with wealth. Idealism is a four-letter word in America and anyone who wants to make better for themselves or their communities are called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.

Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.


The parenting thing makes me want to punch the people doing it. That's your farking child. If you don't want anything but the best for them, you don't farking deserve them.
 
2012-10-10 11:26:32 PM  

I Browse: shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.

It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.


but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.
 
2012-10-10 11:27:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I Browse: shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.

It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.

but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.


Romney lied a lot. Not Obama. Romney lied 27 times in 38 minutes.
 
2012-10-10 11:28:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama lied a lot


More than Romney?
 
2012-10-10 11:28:24 PM  

The Great EZE:
Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.


Now that's funny.
"I won", 2009
"I won the debate" 2012.

wait, you weren't serious were you?
 
2012-10-10 11:31:02 PM  
I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.
 
2012-10-10 11:33:33 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: good, now that romney is the master debater, kid gloves can come off and obama can eviscerate him with things like facts.


Facts are like deficits to Republicans: they don't matter.
 
2012-10-10 11:34:49 PM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


Hear Hear. Citizens are supposed to be skeptical of politicians.
 
2012-10-10 11:37:02 PM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


I don't know anyone who considers Obama to be a transcendental leader so your strawman has been called out. That fact that he's a vastly superior choice than the alternative is more about the poor quality of Romney (or McCain's) candidacy.
 
2012-10-10 11:38:33 PM  

officeday: Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant.


True. But they get drowned out by the idiots who call him a terrorist sympathizing, Kenyan usurping commienazi.

officeday: He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision".


And this doesn't happen with Romney or anyone on the right?

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


Where were you between 2000-2008?
 
2012-10-10 11:39:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.



I see what you did there, and as much as I love a "No, YOU!" debate, I'm gonna sit this one out chief. I've seen your work and I just don't have the energy to spar with you.

We can agree to disagree.
 
2012-10-10 11:39:49 PM  

Graffito: That fact that he's a vastly superior choice than the alternative is more about the poor quality of Romney (or McCain's) candidacy.


THIS

I do like Obama, but when the Republicans seem reluctant of letting go to Bush-era policies, they are not going to win me over.
 
2012-10-10 11:42:10 PM  

dumbobruni: MSFT: Just a random thought, but since Bush bailed out Wall Street doesn't that make all of those people welfare queens?

I wonder if they're ashamed of suckling on the government teat for so much cash without providing any value in return.....

Hey, what do you think, Dumbobruni?

i'm registered with the Working Families Party. what do you think my view is?


Never heard of it, I had to look it up.

Interesting.
 
2012-10-10 11:50:39 PM  

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


www.biography.com
"Well, you can say that again."
 
2012-10-11 12:03:54 AM  

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


You still haven't.
 
2012-10-11 12:06:21 AM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


You must have been asleep in the 80's.
 
2012-10-11 12:08:24 AM  
One of the more interesting stories - I'm paraphrasing here - that Obama once told about his early campaigning for Senate was that he wasn't really aware at the time that politics has its own language and expectations that don't exist in any other arena anywhere else in the American experience.

When asked during one of the debates what he felt his greatest flaw was, he said, "Well, sometimes I'm not really as organized as I wish I was, and I really do need a secretary to help me keep track of things like appointments and such."

The moderator turned to his opponent and said, "Opponent, same question."

And the opponent said, "Well, I think my biggest flaw is that sometimes I just love America too much."

Obama described the event as, "Ohhhh, so that's what we're doing..."

What his opponent had said was wonderfully cynical, deeply disingenuous, and insulting to the audience, but of course they were going to spoon that right up and say "Mm, delicious, what a cook!" He has, so far as I can tell, spent most of his candidacies trying really, really hard not to be that person.

Unfortunately, the American voter loves to be lied to. They LOVE it. They can't get enough of it. Carter and Mondale made honesty the cornerstone of their opposition to Reagan and lost in landslides. I'd probably go so far as to say that Obama's honesty didn't serve him in 2008; what served him was the mountain of catastrophes his predecessor left behind and the mistakes his opponent made. That got Obama listened to; he could have said anything and his audience would have bought it.

Romney-bot doesn't have to be honest, he just has to be convincing. He'll stand a little taller, hold his shoulders a little straighter, and inform the constituency that the moon is made of Norwegian beaver cheese, and they'll buy it. If, next to him, a droopy, tired President Obama tries to make his case using the facts, Romney-bot will lose.
 
2012-10-11 12:15:20 AM  
What Obama and his campaign need to do for the rest of the campaign is mention this guy's name a whole lot:

www.oddpedia.com

www.oddpedia.com

www.oddpedia.com

Tie Romney to GW Bush like they did so effectively to McCain in 2008.
 
2012-10-11 12:18:33 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


Joe likes a brawl.

Problem with Obama also in evidence when he was running against Hillary, it was this "do I really have to get my hands dirty? Ugh" reaction to the street-fighting aspect of politics.
 
2012-10-11 12:20:52 AM  

Mugato: You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing?


Romney almost certainly will. Obama had better have something not just in defense, but something to attack with.

Like, I dunno, being willing to arm Al-Qaeda backed rebels in Syria.
 
2012-10-11 12:20:54 AM  
Mentioning "Mitt Romney and George W Bush" in the same sentence a lot will scare the shiat out of a lot of people.
 
2012-10-11 12:22:19 AM  

cloud_van_dame: Obama had better have something not just in defense, but something to attack with.


farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-11 12:38:26 AM  

dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.


Agreed, no one took into account how forgetful and just outright stupid and mendacious the average US voter is.
Romney=Great Recession 2, Electric Boogaloo.
 
2012-10-11 01:01:28 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.


Whoa... you did not just miss that quote... did you?
 
2012-10-11 01:13:49 AM  

AFKobel: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.

Whoa... you did not just miss that quote... did you?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-10-11 01:23:51 AM  

I Browse: Might as well take the gloves off, Mr. President. The people who will criticize you for being angry or not looking presidential weren't going to vote for you anyway. And those who support you want to see you fight.

When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:

[images.politico.com image 297x223]

Save this nice guy, take-the-high-road shiat for another day. If you've got a mean streak in you...now's the time to break it out. You've got nothing to lose.


I want to see Obama finish the debate with The Broony towards Romney.

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2012-10-11 02:17:30 AM  
I fully expect Romney to come out in the next debate in black face and spouting out Obama's platform, and when Obama mentions he's stealing his platform and he's not actually black, Romney will call him a racist lying flip flopper...and all our heads will explode.
 
2012-10-11 02:18:57 AM  

Kurmudgeon: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

Agreed, no one took into account how forgetful and just outright stupid and mendacious the average US voter is.
Romney=Great Recession 2, Electric Boogaloo.


Plus, the likelihood of additional wars, the appointment of more right leaning supreme court justices, and a myriad of terrible policies, especially with a house majority. Sounds like a grand ol' time in Romneyland!
 
2012-10-11 02:28:02 AM  

MrSplifferton: Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate. One of those things end in a compromise, the others don't. Being polite yet firm is the way to negotiate, you don't walk in with guns blazing, when you address the leader of a sovereign nation.


Sure you do...if you want to take that leader's job, or tell that leader that he isn't half what he thinks he is.

/waiting for Obama to cut the crap with Kim Jong Un, and just lean over and say "Stop it with that 'my missiles can hit the US' bullcrap. We were researching long range missiles and long range missile defense to use against a country with a million times your money, people, and brains, and we were doing it before you were born. Your missiles wouldn't even pass Japan before we spotted them and blew them out of the sky. Then the only question would be, do I feel like giving a harshly worded letter, or do I feel like letting the fleet we keep at Yokosuka out to play."
 
2012-10-11 02:34:38 AM  
Hehehehe...a friend just showed me the results for a GIS of "completely wrong".
 
2012-10-11 02:47:27 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.


OK, that's an awesome image.
 
2012-10-11 04:22:03 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: completely clueless.


Huh, and here I was looking for a new farkie for you and then you wrote it yourself.

Love me some irony.

*re-Farkies TPOC as "completely clueless"
 
2012-10-11 04:38:58 AM  

FormlessOne: Next debate, Romney's getting an ass-whupping. Bet on it.


Interesting to see what the Obama campaign will do in terms of the pre-debate expectations game. Do they have enough faith that Obama will actually step up this time to give it a real build-up or are they going to be too worried about another hesitant display?
 
2012-10-11 05:20:32 AM  

The Numbers: Do they have enough faith that Obama will actually step up this time to give it a real build-up


...Is this your first election? EVERYONE plays the lower-the-expectations game.

Romney's team will go into the next debate talking about how Obama has a huge advantage in this one for some reason, and Obama's will point at the last debate and say "See!? that guy is a great debater! Why, if Obama merely ties him it will be a shocking upset!"
 
2012-10-11 06:02:18 AM  
I think it's fair to say I was just too polite...

[niccageyoudon'tsay]

You let Mitt Romney call you a liar while lying and despite calling him out on his facts a number of times did not do it nearly forcefully or effectively enough.

www.rawstory.com

WTFU.

/Hot like an angry Sammy L.
 
2012-10-11 06:06:45 AM  

Gunther: EVERYONE plays the lower-the-expectations game.


I just heard a Paul Ryan soundbite on the CBC about an hour ago in which he said...

"Joe Biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics,"

So... yeah. 

/We gonna have some type of a thread fer that gig?
//BYOB&P?
 
2012-10-11 06:19:51 AM  
"Governor Romney put forward a whole bunch of stuff that either involved him running away from positions that he had taken, or doubling down on things like Medicare vouchers"

I think that was the strategy - give Romney enough rope to hang himself, while avoiding giving him any ammunition. At the moment though it doesn't look like it was the right tactic, but maybe Obama is playing chess against Romney's checkers... or maybe that's just wishful thinking.
 
2012-10-11 07:09:38 AM  

Wyalt Derp: "Governor Romney put forward a whole bunch of stuff that either involved him running away from positions that he had taken, or doubling down on things like Medicare vouchers"

I think that was the strategy - give Romney enough rope to hang himself, while avoiding giving him any ammunition. At the moment though it doesn't look like it was the right tactic, but maybe Obama is playing chess against Romney's checkers... or maybe that's just wishful thinking.


I think you're right. People are either over estimating him by saying "Oh, this is just a clever ploy to lower expectations for the next debate!" or underestimating him by saying "He he was speechless without his teleprompter!", but it's more likely he thought that Romney repeatedly lying all through the debate would be enough to sink him, and that he just needed to hang back and let him dig his own grave. 

Passivity is almost never the right choice in a debate, though. He should have known better.
 
2012-10-11 07:23:07 AM  

Wyalt Derp: "Governor Romney put forward a whole bunch of stuff that either involved him running away from positions that he had taken, or doubling down on things like Medicare vouchers"

I think that was the strategy - give Romney enough rope to hang himself, while avoiding giving him any ammunition. At the moment though it doesn't look like it was the right tactic, but maybe Obama is playing chess against Romney's checkers... or maybe that's just wishful thinking.


Wishful thinking is when you imagine something unlikely will happen. We know for a fact that Obama uses a variety of very potent ways to get to his opponent. Remember Donald Trump? Remember the failures of the Republican Congress to stop Obamacare?

The Republican trolls really want to push their narrative because they have so little else: Romney is not the type of Republican anybody in the Base wanted: their criticisms of him not being 'a Republican' are pretty much true. So they're using their standard projection tactics to push Republican flaws onto Democrats. You can even see it in this very thread, proving Republicans simply believe in nothing anymore except this nebulous idea of 'winning' which results in more Dubya-era nonsense.

But the Republicans are scared because they know they can't run anybody that their Base really likes. There will be no more Palins because someone without that much power will run rampant and stomp on the Republican brand more into the mud. So they have to go for the McCains and the Romneys who are safe moderate bets. The Republican Party stands for nothing, but what they want is that middle ground that Carter, Clinton, and Obama have successfully taken in the last few decades.
 
2012-10-11 07:28:25 AM  
Thanks Mr. Prez. I'm sure that will bring you great comfort when you're packing your shiat in December.
I have no faith in Joe Biden. Anyone can look like a Rhode Scholar next to Sarah "Mama Grizzly" Palin. I think I'll watch reruns of Wheeler Dealer tonight instead. I find their brand of British wit amusing.
 
2012-10-11 07:35:53 AM  

Mugato: shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.

You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.


Scott Brown did in his debate with Elizabeth Warren last night. So, sure Romney will.
 
2012-10-11 07:37:04 AM  

wooden_badger: Mugato: shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.

You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.

Scott Brown did in his debate with Elizabeth Warren last night. So, sure Romney will.


And he went out of his way to bring it up because the question was about our future involvement in Syria and Iran.
 
2012-10-11 07:55:23 AM  

FormlessOne: FlashHarry: ya think?

He expected an actual debate, and got a two-ring circus managed by a half-deaf ringmaster, cheered by the type of folks that would cheer because a quarterback was knocked unconscious on the field.

Next debate, Romney's getting an ass-whupping. Bet on it.


Do we know who's "moderating"?
 
2012-10-11 08:28:18 AM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


Well, for starters, you could tell this person exactly that.
 
2012-10-11 08:31:22 AM  

wooden_badger: wooden_badger: Mugato: shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.

You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.

Scott Brown did in his debate with Elizabeth Warren last night. So, sure Romney will.

And he went out of his way to bring it up because the question was about our future involvement in Syria and Iran.


Yeah, he's not going to "resort to" it. It's going to be the cornerstone of his debate performance.
 
2012-10-11 08:33:22 AM  

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


Really? Two words, all caps.

RON PAUL
 
2012-10-11 08:36:10 AM  
Glad you understand that now, Barack. Now get mad & take him to the farking woodshed next week.
 
2012-10-11 08:38:15 AM  

Gunther: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Richard Dawkins stopped debating creationists a few years ago because he realized if your opponent isn't bound by basic logic, you can't win. It devolves into two men on a stage calling each other liars, both dismissing the other's evidence.

We should have seen it, in retrospect. We saw how shiatty Romney's performance was in the primary debates, and assumed he'd be exactly as stiff and awkward, and Obama would easily school him (hence why he used Kerry as a debate partner). But all it took was a few debating lessons to rid Romney of his debate awkwardness and his willingness to say anything, take any position, made him pretty much unbeatable. He looks like a charlatan to anyone who is aware of his positions, but that's probably 10% of the electorate. Everyone else watches the debate and sees a confident guy outwitting a befuddled guy. They don't get that Obama is befuddled because the guy he's arguing with has flipped his position on everything he claimed to believe the day before.


This x1000.

Some Farker said the other day "how do you debate that which has no consistent position?", and that is the problem that Obama faces. Romney could come out and say virtually anything. How do you prepare for that? Even when Romney is caught lying through his teeth his campaign staffers just "walk it back" the next day.
 
2012-10-11 08:43:58 AM  

schubie: And when he comes up swinging and tears into Mitt and Granny Oklahoma and Grampy First Baptist say "He seems like a very angry negro," you'll understand why he was too polite the first time.


Yep.

And I challenge every single motherfarker who says the president lost the debate to read a transcript of the thing. The only thing anyone has to complain about is farking *inflection*. He didn't sound like he was calling Romney a liar so he never called him out on his lies?

Oh, except all the times he did. Calmly. And you were all drinking, I guess.
 
2012-10-11 08:50:16 AM  

Aarontology: FlashHarry: see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.

I believe it's called "taking personal responsibility for his actions"


Go easy on them, its a foreign concept to many on the left.
 
2012-10-11 08:54:33 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.


que?
 
2012-10-11 09:02:20 AM  

TalenLee: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.


Of all the comments about race during the last four years, this is the most on point opinion I have read.
 
2012-10-11 09:08:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.

OK, that's an awesome image.


GAME ON, BOYFRIEND!
 
2012-10-11 09:11:22 AM  

DirkValentine: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.

que?


Wet Wing Reference.

Game on,boyfriend.
 
2012-10-11 09:12:04 AM  
West, even.

/Yeesh.
 
2012-10-11 09:20:32 AM  

quatchi: DirkValentine: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.

que?

Wet Wing Reference.

Game on,boyfriend.


Riveting scene, for sure, but what was the outcome?

Was it strictly to get the blood pumping?
 
2012-10-11 09:21:53 AM  
And, like, you know, I was, you know, too easy on him, like, really, it's hard to, you know, say, you know, the same thing, like, over and over again and, you know, Romney was like, you know, saying things that were, like, not true, you know?

Holy fark, whatever happened to having a modicum of eloquence?
 
2012-10-11 09:23:47 AM  
Here is how Obama should start out the next debate.

"Before we begin here, I have an important question to ask the governor. Which version of Mitt Romney am i debating this evening? Is it the one that is for abortion, or against it? Is this the Romney that is for tax cuts for the top 20% or against them? Is this the Romney that is for gun control or against it? Is this the Romney with a health care plan that covers pre-existing conditions, or the one who doesn't? is the Romney who believes in increasing minimum wage or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of privatizing Social Security or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of bailing out banks, or the one against it? America needs to know which Romney is on the platform here."
 
2012-10-11 09:26:30 AM  

DirkValentine: what was the outcome?


Jed goes on to destroy his opponent in the debate.

S'beautiful. 

/I don't think his faith in lucky ties is shattered however he just has a new lucky tie is all.
//Lucky ties are srz business.
 
2012-10-11 09:38:11 AM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


That's a mighty nice strawman you have there.
 
2012-10-11 09:38:39 AM  

Sm3agol85: Here is how Obama should start out the next debate.

"Before we begin here, I have an important question to ask the governor. Which version of Mitt Romney am i debating this evening? Is it the one that is for abortion, or against it? Is this the Romney that is for tax cuts for the top 20% or against them? Is this the Romney that is for gun control or against it? Is this the Romney with a health care plan that covers pre-existing conditions, or the one who doesn't? is the Romney who believes in increasing minimum wage or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of privatizing Social Security or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of bailing out banks, or the one against it? America needs to know which Romney is on the platform here."


Me likey.
+10
 
2012-10-11 10:00:59 AM  

Zerochance: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Well, for starters, you could tell this person exactly that.


Like when Obama called Romney on his self-contradictions and Romney flat out lied about it AND had the unmitigated gall to tell Obama that he (Obama) was not entitled to his own facts.

Look, I think the president lacked energy. He really did look down too much. But how would he have looked if the debate became a series of "You're lying!" met with "No, YOU'RE lying about me lying!"? Frankly, this is where the moderator should step in.
 
2012-10-11 10:14:57 AM  
Umm...when one person is spewing that many lies and utter bullshiat it is really hard to wrap your head around, let alone counter.

Romney is a liar and a coward who has apparently held every policy position possible on abortion, women's rights, and the economy, but hey he loves JESUS (maybe), is white, and says he is a fiscal conservative (despite evidence to the contrary) so let's elect him of the black guy.
 
2012-10-11 10:15:39 AM  

quatchi: DirkValentine: what was the outcome?

Jed goes on to destroy his opponent in the debate.

S'beautiful. 

/I don't think his faith in lucky ties is shattered however he just has a new lucky tie is all.
//Lucky ties are srz business.


I'm confused by your first slashy.

It seems to imply that the First Lady destroyed the President's "lucky tie" with the scissors before the debate.

During the episode the President was lamenting the loss of his original lucky tie (which, if I remember correctly, was damaged when it was being cleaned). The tie was lucky because he borrowed it from Josh at the last minute before a debate he won.

The First Lady cuts his "tested for TV" replacement tie so the President would have to borrow a last minute tie again.... thereby making it lucky.

His faith in lucky ties was never in question, he just needed help finding a new lucky tie.
 
2012-10-11 10:19:56 AM  

Sm3agol85: t it? Is this the Romney in favor of privatizing Social Security or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of bailing out banks, or the one against it? America needs to know which Romney is on the platform here."


God, I'd love it if he said this verbatim.
 
2012-10-11 10:25:18 AM  

aedude01: Sm3agol85: t it? Is this the Romney in favor of privatizing Social Security or the one against it? Is this the Romney in favor of bailing out banks, or the one against it? America needs to know which Romney is on the platform here."

God, I'd love it if he said this verbatim.


Well, hopefully not verbatim since I accidently a word or two.
 
2012-10-11 10:34:42 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: shotglasss: Hell, Romney showed Obama for the pretender he is.

By telling 27 lies in 38 minutes?


That's the best almost-The Nails reference I've heard all day.

/"Brenda's strange obsession was for certain vegetables and fruits."
 
2012-10-11 10:40:15 AM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


No farking shiat. I don't agree with everything he's done. But seriously, have you seen the alternative?

Yeah, Obama hasn't fulfilled the bullshiat meme of a "messiah" as right wing morons parrot constantly. He's done things I don't like, NDAA, pushing for Copyright B.S., etc. So, yeah, sure I'll vote for a serial liar who's "job" was gutting American companies and shipping the money to the Caymans. A man who dodged the draft four times to live in luxury in France as a missionary. A man who returned and protested for the farking war he dodged. A strange little man who can't get his story right, so he just says what people want to hear, no matter the lie.

I would rather have a condescending man who is likeable and has a positive vision for my country than a robotic turd who's only desire is to become CEO of America Inc. and do the same thing he did at Bain: sell off everything of value so him and his buddies will benefit.

Seriously, your statement is not unpopular. It's utterly irrelevant when you compare President Obama to Mitt-farking-Romney. I would rather not have a windsock backed by an Eddie Munster cosplayer in the White House.

/Sorry if I came off too harsh, but most of us "lieberals" do disagree with Obama on many issues. But the alternative is far, far, far worse.
 
2012-10-11 10:49:19 AM  

Zerochance: officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.

Really? Two words, all caps.

RON PAUL


I forgot to add this to my rant. Thanks. RON PAUL is seen as a god by weed smoking college students everywhere. Funny thing is that he's a GOP Congressman from a solidly red state who never actually takes a stand on issues when his ass is on the line. He doesn't actually break off and run as an independent. In fact, I would say he's a fairly boring proto-Tea bagger with a limited streak of "independence" in him that gets quelled when the RNC tells him to back down. At least GARY JOHNSON has a set of balls to run as an actually Libertarian.

Man, this is such a good comparison, I wish I had thought of it. People genuinely believe in what Obama offers. The only reason RON PAUL is so popular is because weed.
 
2012-10-11 10:54:56 AM  

AFKobel: quatchi: DirkValentine: what was the outcome?

Jed goes on to destroy his opponent in the debate.

S'beautiful. 

/I don't think his faith in lucky ties is shattered however he just has a new lucky tie is all.
//Lucky ties are srz business.

I'm confused by your first slashy.

It seems to imply that the First Lady destroyed the President's "lucky tie" with the scissors before the debate.

During the episode the President was lamenting the loss of his original lucky tie (which, if I remember correctly, was damaged when it was being cleaned). The tie was lucky because he borrowed it from Josh at the last minute before a debate he won.

The First Lady cuts his "tested for TV" replacement tie so the President would have to borrow a last minute tie again.... thereby making it lucky.

His faith in lucky ties was never in question, he just needed help finding a new lucky tie.


Yes, that is a far better explanation of events.

You are now Faved as "WW fan".

Hope ya like cyan.
 
2012-10-11 11:06:28 AM  
It had nothing to do with him not being polite, it had more to do with him not being able to handle someone with a different opinion that he couldn't just ignore for the first time.
 
2012-10-11 11:10:42 AM  

trotsky: Funny thing is that he's a GOP Congressman from a solidly red state who never actually takes a stand on issues when his ass is on the line.


That's the beauty of RON PAUL. The Paultards can endlessly biatch and moan and whine all they want about how his holiness Dr. Paul can wipe out our deficit with a swipe of his dick, because his ideas will never be put into practice. They can afford to be feverish about RON PAUL because they will never see the repercussions of his economic policies in particular.
 
2012-10-11 11:17:53 AM  

DeaH: Zerochance: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Well, for starters, you could tell this person exactly that.

Like when Obama called Romney on his self-contradictions and Romney flat out lied about it AND had the unmitigated gall to tell Obama that he (Obama) was not entitled to his own facts.

Look, I think the president lacked energy. He really did look down too much. But how would he have looked if the debate became a series of "You're lying!" met with "No, YOU'RE lying about me lying!"? Frankly, this is where the moderator should step in.


What was troubling for me is that Obama didn't actually fact-check Romney on a number of his lies, contradictions, and just plain bullshiat statements, and that is, practically speaking, a way of validating them. It's troubling because I got the sense Obama simply didn't know Romney was lying through his teeth.

Forget looking "presidential" and being "the only grown-up in the room". We all know Obama is capable of all of that. What we need the guy to do is to realize that this shiat is personal. This isn't a disagreement over policy; he is facing a political opposition that absolutely hates his guts for no other reason than presidentin' while black, and he keeps bringing strongly worded letters to a knife fight.
 
2012-10-11 11:37:39 AM  

Vindibudd: It had nothing to do with him not being polite, it had more to do with him not being able to handle someone with a different opinion that he couldn't just ignore for the first time.


yes, being a neophyte in politics, this was an entirely new and challenging experience for him
 
2012-10-11 11:38:02 AM  

Vindibudd: It had nothing to do with him not being polite, it had more to do with him not being able to handle someone with a different opinion that he couldn't just ignore for the first time.


When Mitt said his plan covers preexisting conditions do you think he was being intentionally misleading? I not why not?
 
2012-10-11 11:45:40 AM  

Vindibudd: It had nothing to do with him not being polite, it had more to do with him not being able to handle someone with a different opinion that he couldn't just ignore for the first time.


Lies are not "different opinions"; they're lies
 
2012-10-11 11:50:33 AM  

quatchi: You are now Faved as "WW fan".

Hope ya like cyan.



My grandfather was killed by cyan... but I've since found forgiveness.

I'll allow it.
 
2012-10-11 12:11:36 PM  

Zerochance: DeaH: Zerochance: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

Well, for starters, you could tell this person exactly that.

Like when Obama called Romney on his self-contradictions and Romney flat out lied about it AND had the unmitigated gall to tell Obama that he (Obama) was not entitled to his own facts.

Look, I think the president lacked energy. He really did look down too much. But how would he have looked if the debate became a series of "You're lying!" met with "No, YOU'RE lying about me lying!"? Frankly, this is where the moderator should step in.

What was troubling for me is that Obama didn't actually fact-check Romney on a number of his lies, contradictions, and just plain bullshiat statements, and that is, practically speaking, a way of validating them. It's troubling because I got the sense Obama simply didn't know Romney was lying through his teeth.

Forget looking "presidential" and being "the only grown-up in the room". We all know Obama is capable of all of that. What we need the guy to do is to realize that this shiat is personal. This isn't a disagreement over policy; he is facing a political opposition that absolutely hates his guts for no other reason than presidentin' while black, and he keeps bringing strongly worded letters to a knife fight.


Actually, what we really need is for someone to realize that this shiat isn't personal. It's very public, and it affects all of us. Look, I really would have enjoyed it if Obama had summed up the debate by saying, "The only true thing Governor Romney said tonight was his name, and he only gets half a point for that because his real first name is Willard." I understand that a lot of people take silence as acquiescence, but it's not. Every time Obama called Romney on anything, Romney called Obama a liar. And Romney had won the closing coin toss. There is a reason there is a third party at debates. Obama is not blameless here, but the failure of the moderator is the biggest problem I see. Obama did need to put up more of a fight. but Romney was writing the rules as he went along. He needed to be checked on that by an outside party.
 
2012-10-11 02:24:11 PM  

Vindibudd: It had nothing to do with him not being polite, it had more to do with him not being able to handle someone with a different opinion that he couldn't just ignore for the first time.


Are you saying that McCain had the same opinion, or that Obama could just ignore McCain?
 
2012-10-11 02:36:58 PM  

radioshack: randomjsa: No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.

This. They live in an echo chamber. "Rmoney lied!!" never probably once reading all the lies Obama spewed.


Citation needed from both of you.
 
2012-10-11 04:39:55 PM  

radioshack: randomjsa: No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.

This. They live in an echo chamber. "Rmoney lied!!" never probably once reading all the lies Obama spewed.


I'll bite. Name a few lies Obama told during the debate. See if you can match the 27 lies Romney told in the 38 minutes he was speaking.
 
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