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2012-10-10 11:00:41 PM  

FlashHarry: TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.

i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.


its evidence of pretty poor judgment, to prioritize politeness over talking truth to lying false untruthtelling republican.

Politeness > the good of the country

what about the children? who will give them their welfare?
 
2012-10-10 11:04:10 PM  

tony41454: Obama was probably too stunned to respond much. This was probably the first time in his Presidency that anyone called him out on his shat and he didn't know how to take it, the narcissic fool.


This.
He came out of the debate thinking he had won ha ha ha. I thought he lost because he met a different Romney but you know I don't think I've heard more excuses for failing in a debate.
 
2012-10-10 11:08:01 PM  

James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.


Nah, Obama strikes me as a genuinely nice guy who honestly has no idea just how horrible people are. I feel sorry for the guy every time this happens to him. Right now being him must suck ass.

/That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...
 
2012-10-10 11:11:20 PM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


Honest question - can anyone recall a time in the last 10 years that a Republican owned his/her mistakes, rather than blaming the "liberal media: or other assorted bogeymen?" We live in country where Sarah Palin wasn't an idiot on national TV, but that vanguard of investigative journalism Katie farking Couric had diabolically set her up to fail.

"Most Republicans are smarter than Palin," you say? Fine. Show me one (hopefully two) who own up to their bullsh*t instead of blaming it on phantasms that were aligned against them. Difficulty: the "new" GOP.

/personal responsibility, my sweet ass
 
2012-10-10 11:13:00 PM  

Mugato: shotglasss: Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying. Foreign affairs will be discussed, and the testimony we heard today from the State Dept. is going to be devastating to him when Romney asks why the Libyan ambassador was refused security he requested that might have saved his (and others') life. Obama's backed into a corner and the debate isn't until next week.

You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing? That's just sad.


"Resort to the Libya thing"? You mean "bring up the failure of Obama to secure our Ambassador in the face of an imminent terrorist attack by al Qaeda"? Yep, they are sure to bring that up because it is another example of Obama's failure to take seriously the fact that muslims around the world don't love us just because he loves them.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:02 PM  

tony41454: Obama was probably too stunned to respond much. This was probably the first time in his Presidency that anyone called him out on his shat and he didn't know how to take it, the narcissic fool.


In other news, telling 27 lies in 38 minutes now constitutes "calling Obama on his shiat." Next up, saying that active duty combat personnel don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" is the same as being strong on defense.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:51 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.

If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.


The meeting where the others leaders said they did not expect to be meeting with the president? Where, in fact, they were too busy with their own schedules to particularly care what the president was doing that day?

Why should he have made those ceremonial and time wasting meetings when he is in continual electronic contact with said world leaders?

This is the 21st century, do try to keep up.

Also, what did he say, specifically, to Letterman that was a lie? Use his exact words please, with no parsing.
 
2012-10-10 11:14:05 PM  

PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


A society dominated by selfish individuals where psychopathy is not something to be shunned but rather embraced -- where winning is all that matters, and damn the long-term consequences of anything that we do?
 
2012-10-10 11:14:06 PM  

PsiChick: James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.

Nah, Obama strikes me as a genuinely nice guy who honestly has no idea just how horrible people are. I feel sorry for the guy every time this happens to him. Right now being him must suck ass.

/That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


I think Obama knows exactly how horrible people are, but for some reason he's convinced that it would be politically disastrous for him to show some aggression and call the repubs out on their bullshiat. It's worked for him sometimes to sit back and let the other side tie themselves up in their own bullshiat, but the problem is that he relies on that tactic too often.
 
2012-10-10 11:15:39 PM  

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


No it isn't. Just keep hitting him with the reality of hos contradicting opinions.
 
2012-10-10 11:17:51 PM  

PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...


Americans are very miserable motherfarkers. And this has nothing to do with politics. I've known far too many people whose idea of parenting involves crushing their children's dreams early and making sure they never forget their flaws and limitations--even if they have to make some up to drive the point home. Far too many people admire the worst in others (deceitfulness, selfishness, lack of anything resembling empathy) because those traits are identified with wealth. Idealism is a four-letter word in America and anyone who wants to make better for themselves or their communities are called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.

Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.
 
2012-10-10 11:18:29 PM  

kg2095: Just keep hitting him with the reality of hos


If Obama could hit him with the reality of his ho's there wouldn't need to be a debate.
 
2012-10-10 11:20:24 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.


"I was too nice" != "The dog ate my homework"
 
2012-10-10 11:21:11 PM  

The Great EZE: called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.


Yes, I know it's spelled "role." Damn lack of an editing feature.

/But since I mentioned it, I'd like to think a "leadership roll" is one of those addictive sweet Hawaiian rolls.
 
2012-10-10 11:24:20 PM  

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.


Are you kidding? After the outrageous things that have been said by various members of the Psychopath Party?

The party of family values politicians that are routinely caught farking away from home? The family of anti-abortion politicians that are caught on tape urging his mistress to have an abortion? The party that wants to gut social welfare programs for the most disadvantaged members of the community, while keeping corporate welfare for multinational corporations?

Is that the GOP you are surprised many of us reject? What surprises me is that anyone would come out in support of such a hypocritical, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom of choice, mean spirited bunch of sociopathic hypocrites.
 
2012-10-10 11:25:13 PM  

The Great EZE: PsiChick: /That said, what the hell kind of society we live in where people stomp all over other people's faith in humanity and claim that's 'growing up'...

Americans are very miserable motherfarkers. And this has nothing to do with politics. I've known far too many people whose idea of parenting involves crushing their children's dreams early and making sure they never forget their flaws and limitations--even if they have to make some up to drive the point home. Far too many people admire the worst in others (deceitfulness, selfishness, lack of anything resembling empathy) because those traits are identified with wealth. Idealism is a four-letter word in America and anyone who wants to make better for themselves or their communities are called immature and unfit for a real leadership roll.

Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.


The parenting thing makes me want to punch the people doing it. That's your farking child. If you don't want anything but the best for them, you don't farking deserve them.
 
2012-10-10 11:26:32 PM  

I Browse: shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.

It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.


but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.
 
2012-10-10 11:27:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I Browse: shotglasss:

Obama is going to go on the strategy of lying.

It worked for his opponent so...why the hell not.

but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.


Romney lied a lot. Not Obama. Romney lied 27 times in 38 minutes.
 
2012-10-10 11:28:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama lied a lot


More than Romney?
 
2012-10-10 11:28:24 PM  

The Great EZE:
Now I'm not calling Obama the biggest idealist the world has ever seen, but for a politician he was pretty damn idealist. And now he's reduced to apologizing for being mature.


Now that's funny.
"I won", 2009
"I won the debate" 2012.

wait, you weren't serious were you?
 
2012-10-10 11:31:02 PM  
I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.
 
2012-10-10 11:33:33 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: good, now that romney is the master debater, kid gloves can come off and obama can eviscerate him with things like facts.


Facts are like deficits to Republicans: they don't matter.
 
2012-10-10 11:34:49 PM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


Hear Hear. Citizens are supposed to be skeptical of politicians.
 
2012-10-10 11:37:02 PM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


I don't know anyone who considers Obama to be a transcendental leader so your strawman has been called out. That fact that he's a vastly superior choice than the alternative is more about the poor quality of Romney (or McCain's) candidacy.
 
2012-10-10 11:38:33 PM  

officeday: Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant.


True. But they get drowned out by the idiots who call him a terrorist sympathizing, Kenyan usurping commienazi.

officeday: He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision".


And this doesn't happen with Romney or anyone on the right?

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


Where were you between 2000-2008?
 
2012-10-10 11:39:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

but it didn't work in the last debate. 0bama lied a lot, didn't help him.



I see what you did there, and as much as I love a "No, YOU!" debate, I'm gonna sit this one out chief. I've seen your work and I just don't have the energy to spar with you.

We can agree to disagree.
 
2012-10-10 11:39:49 PM  

Graffito: That fact that he's a vastly superior choice than the alternative is more about the poor quality of Romney (or McCain's) candidacy.


THIS

I do like Obama, but when the Republicans seem reluctant of letting go to Bush-era policies, they are not going to win me over.
 
2012-10-10 11:42:10 PM  

dumbobruni: MSFT: Just a random thought, but since Bush bailed out Wall Street doesn't that make all of those people welfare queens?

I wonder if they're ashamed of suckling on the government teat for so much cash without providing any value in return.....

Hey, what do you think, Dumbobruni?

i'm registered with the Working Families Party. what do you think my view is?


Never heard of it, I had to look it up.

Interesting.
 
2012-10-10 11:50:39 PM  

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


www.biography.com
"Well, you can say that again."
 
2012-10-11 12:03:54 AM  

officeday: in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


You still haven't.
 
2012-10-11 12:06:21 AM  

officeday: I understand that in this forum it will not be a popular opinion, or even acknowledged as "acceptable", but it is important that you understand that President Obama is not the transcedental (sp?) leader that you thought. Normal, well educated people can honestly disagree with is "vision" and not by that fact alone be considered racist or ignorant. He appears to be/sound completely condescending to anyone who doesn't blindly follow his "vision". in my 50+ plus years, I have never experienced such blind loyalty/ignorance to an elected official.


You must have been asleep in the 80's.
 
2012-10-11 12:08:24 AM  
One of the more interesting stories - I'm paraphrasing here - that Obama once told about his early campaigning for Senate was that he wasn't really aware at the time that politics has its own language and expectations that don't exist in any other arena anywhere else in the American experience.

When asked during one of the debates what he felt his greatest flaw was, he said, "Well, sometimes I'm not really as organized as I wish I was, and I really do need a secretary to help me keep track of things like appointments and such."

The moderator turned to his opponent and said, "Opponent, same question."

And the opponent said, "Well, I think my biggest flaw is that sometimes I just love America too much."

Obama described the event as, "Ohhhh, so that's what we're doing..."

What his opponent had said was wonderfully cynical, deeply disingenuous, and insulting to the audience, but of course they were going to spoon that right up and say "Mm, delicious, what a cook!" He has, so far as I can tell, spent most of his candidacies trying really, really hard not to be that person.

Unfortunately, the American voter loves to be lied to. They LOVE it. They can't get enough of it. Carter and Mondale made honesty the cornerstone of their opposition to Reagan and lost in landslides. I'd probably go so far as to say that Obama's honesty didn't serve him in 2008; what served him was the mountain of catastrophes his predecessor left behind and the mistakes his opponent made. That got Obama listened to; he could have said anything and his audience would have bought it.

Romney-bot doesn't have to be honest, he just has to be convincing. He'll stand a little taller, hold his shoulders a little straighter, and inform the constituency that the moon is made of Norwegian beaver cheese, and they'll buy it. If, next to him, a droopy, tired President Obama tries to make his case using the facts, Romney-bot will lose.
 
2012-10-11 12:15:20 AM  
What Obama and his campaign need to do for the rest of the campaign is mention this guy's name a whole lot:

www.oddpedia.com

www.oddpedia.com

www.oddpedia.com

Tie Romney to GW Bush like they did so effectively to McCain in 2008.
 
2012-10-11 12:18:33 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


Joe likes a brawl.

Problem with Obama also in evidence when he was running against Hillary, it was this "do I really have to get my hands dirty? Ugh" reaction to the street-fighting aspect of politics.
 
2012-10-11 12:20:52 AM  

Mugato: You really think they're going to resort to the Libya thing?


Romney almost certainly will. Obama had better have something not just in defense, but something to attack with.

Like, I dunno, being willing to arm Al-Qaeda backed rebels in Syria.
 
2012-10-11 12:20:54 AM  
Mentioning "Mitt Romney and George W Bush" in the same sentence a lot will scare the shiat out of a lot of people.
 
2012-10-11 12:22:19 AM  

cloud_van_dame: Obama had better have something not just in defense, but something to attack with.


farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-11 12:38:26 AM  

dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.


Agreed, no one took into account how forgetful and just outright stupid and mendacious the average US voter is.
Romney=Great Recession 2, Electric Boogaloo.
 
2012-10-11 01:01:28 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.


Whoa... you did not just miss that quote... did you?
 
2012-10-11 01:13:49 AM  

AFKobel: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.

Whoa... you did not just miss that quote... did you?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-10-11 01:23:51 AM  

I Browse: Might as well take the gloves off, Mr. President. The people who will criticize you for being angry or not looking presidential weren't going to vote for you anyway. And those who support you want to see you fight.

When he lies, call him a liar. When he interrupts you, talk over him. Be on offense from the opening bell and stare the mf'er down like this:

[images.politico.com image 297x223]

Save this nice guy, take-the-high-road shiat for another day. If you've got a mean streak in you...now's the time to break it out. You've got nothing to lose.


I want to see Obama finish the debate with The Broony towards Romney.

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2012-10-11 02:17:30 AM  
I fully expect Romney to come out in the next debate in black face and spouting out Obama's platform, and when Obama mentions he's stealing his platform and he's not actually black, Romney will call him a racist lying flip flopper...and all our heads will explode.
 
2012-10-11 02:18:57 AM  

Kurmudgeon: dumbobruni: I remember how I was blasted on here for saying that this election wasn't going to be a landslide win for Obama.

Agreed, no one took into account how forgetful and just outright stupid and mendacious the average US voter is.
Romney=Great Recession 2, Electric Boogaloo.


Plus, the likelihood of additional wars, the appointment of more right leaning supreme court justices, and a myriad of terrible policies, especially with a house majority. Sounds like a grand ol' time in Romneyland!
 
2012-10-11 02:28:02 AM  

MrSplifferton: Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate. One of those things end in a compromise, the others don't. Being polite yet firm is the way to negotiate, you don't walk in with guns blazing, when you address the leader of a sovereign nation.


Sure you do...if you want to take that leader's job, or tell that leader that he isn't half what he thinks he is.

/waiting for Obama to cut the crap with Kim Jong Un, and just lean over and say "Stop it with that 'my missiles can hit the US' bullcrap. We were researching long range missiles and long range missile defense to use against a country with a million times your money, people, and brains, and we were doing it before you were born. Your missiles wouldn't even pass Japan before we spotted them and blew them out of the sky. Then the only question would be, do I feel like giving a harshly worded letter, or do I feel like letting the fleet we keep at Yokosuka out to play."
 
2012-10-11 02:34:38 AM  
Hehehehe...a friend just showed me the results for a GIS of "completely wrong".
 
2012-10-11 02:47:27 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.


OK, that's an awesome image.
 
2012-10-11 04:22:03 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: completely clueless.


Huh, and here I was looking for a new farkie for you and then you wrote it yourself.

Love me some irony.

*re-Farkies TPOC as "completely clueless"
 
2012-10-11 04:38:58 AM  

FormlessOne: Next debate, Romney's getting an ass-whupping. Bet on it.


Interesting to see what the Obama campaign will do in terms of the pre-debate expectations game. Do they have enough faith that Obama will actually step up this time to give it a real build-up or are they going to be too worried about another hesitant display?
 
2012-10-11 05:20:32 AM  

The Numbers: Do they have enough faith that Obama will actually step up this time to give it a real build-up


...Is this your first election? EVERYONE plays the lower-the-expectations game.

Romney's team will go into the next debate talking about how Obama has a huge advantage in this one for some reason, and Obama's will point at the last debate and say "See!? that guy is a great debater! Why, if Obama merely ties him it will be a shocking upset!"
 
2012-10-11 06:02:18 AM  
I think it's fair to say I was just too polite...

[niccageyoudon'tsay]

You let Mitt Romney call you a liar while lying and despite calling him out on his facts a number of times did not do it nearly forcefully or effectively enough.

www.rawstory.com

WTFU.

/Hot like an angry Sammy L.
 
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