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2012-10-10 04:02:12 PM
ya think?
 
2012-10-10 04:07:32 PM
Next, President Obama commented on the high moisture content of water.
 
2012-10-10 04:08:25 PM
People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.
 
2012-10-10 04:11:03 PM

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


to be fair, this.
 
2012-10-10 04:22:16 PM
"I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"
 
2012-10-10 04:25:03 PM

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

to be fair, this.


Also, actual independent voters who are (somehow) still undecided have said the president sometimes comes off as condescending and professorial, so he may have been overcompensating for that.
 
2012-10-10 04:37:18 PM
FTFA: Obama: "I think it's fair to say that we will see a little more activity at the next one."

I hope so, any less activity and he's be declared dead and Biden would take over as President.
 
2012-10-10 04:39:38 PM

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.
 
2012-10-10 04:44:19 PM

FlashHarry: see... you guys never admit fault, so when you see somebody else do it, it's alien to you. obama isn't making excuses. he's saying that he farked up. he was too polite. it's pretty simple. he's not blaming the altitude or a cold. he's not blaming the fact that, unlike rmoney, he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


I believe it's called "taking personal responsibility for his actions"
 
2012-10-10 04:47:06 PM
Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.
 
2012-10-10 04:54:02 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault...


Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.
 
2012-10-10 04:55:49 PM
Nabb1 Fark Independent.
 
2012-10-10 05:00:38 PM
"The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.
 
2012-10-10 05:01:00 PM

what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.


I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.
 
2012-10-10 05:01:13 PM

Nabb1: Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


apologies for lumping you in.
 
2012-10-10 05:04:22 PM

what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.


Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)
 
2012-10-10 05:09:12 PM

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


He could, you know, say this very thing in the debate.

"Fellow Americans, I came to this debate with real solutions to real problems. I answered the questions with facts and detailed plans; I came to talk to you because my opponent, Mr. Windsock, believes in nothing. He believes in nothing and will actually say anything he thinks you want to hear. There is no plan on that side of the stage, at least no plan beyond being bold in his lies and using them in his pathetic attempt to get a job he doesn't want to do.

"He doesn't want to be president, he wants to be CEO; the same kind of CEO he was at Bain. He wants to suck the value out of this country to enrich his friends and himself."
 
2012-10-10 05:10:44 PM

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)


No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.
 
2012-10-10 05:15:04 PM

TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.


i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.
 
2012-10-10 05:20:08 PM

FlashHarry: TheDumbBlonde: "The dog ate my homework" /= accepting responsibility.

i didn't see any excuses. he said he was too polite. that's not an excuse.


easy there. it doesn't fit with their excuse narrative, so they have to ignore it.
 
2012-10-10 05:22:13 PM

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.


If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.
 
2012-10-10 06:01:55 PM

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.

If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.


I like this. British Petroleum had only two choices for their label. It was BP or GOP. After dozens of focus groups the firm chose to let millions of barrels of oil leak into the Gulf of Mexico, and then advertised, "BP could be worse, at least we're not the GOP."
 
2012-10-10 06:08:54 PM
So much for the light show
Pissing on while pissing off
Sucking in a smokescreen
Selling of a loose knit dream
 
2012-10-10 06:42:14 PM

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

Oh, bless your heart. Should I have not sent money to Gary Johnson's campaign? (Well, probably not, but I've thrown money away on other useless endeavors before.)

No man, you do what you want. I like you. I just chuckle at how quickly you reject the GOP label.

If the GOP "label" were a wine label, it would be on the side of a box. Or if it were on a bottle, winos would brown bag it out of a sense of shame.


How dare you slander the Holy Trinity of Ernest, Julio and Gallo.

I'll have you know I've only gone blind in one eye drinking their sweet, sweet nectar.
 
2012-10-10 07:13:56 PM

Aarontology: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.


He's no independent.
 
2012-10-10 07:23:53 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Michelle better cut his tie in half right before the debate starts.


THIS!

Game on boyfriend
 
2012-10-10 08:40:01 PM
There had better be some strategy behind all this.
 
2012-10-10 08:41:04 PM
He was. He gives the average American too much credit, as if without his help everyone would be able to see what a lying, pandering sack of shiat Romney is. They don't see it, Mr. President. You have to call him out on it. Bring the pain in the remaining debates, and the White House is yours for another 4 years.
 
2012-10-10 08:42:52 PM
And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate
 
2012-10-10 08:43:14 PM

James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.



It wasn't strategy for Obama to have to spend a week defending his debate performance. I think the strategy was to appear to be the calm, confident adult in the room in the face of Romney's "zingers." Instead, Obama stood at the plate and watched one meatball after another float right through the strike zone.

He obviously gets it, now. The remaining debates will be very interesting.
 
2012-10-10 08:44:40 PM

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un?



Negotiating is for p*ssies! Did John Wayne negotiate with the Nazis? Hell no.
 
2012-10-10 08:45:38 PM

BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.


Obama's presidential history has been a fascinating mirror of racism in America. It's like by committing one vaguely unracist act - by electing a non-white - the American culture has decided to embrace its other racist wing. They bullied this black man into working ridiculously hard to achieve his goals; they roadblock his progress then berate him for performing badly; they made his political environment that he has to be above even the suspicion of reproach (Sherrod) and they'll berate him for that anyway; they bully him into showing his farking papers, and now the climate is such that they will wave their privilege in his face and bellow and cow and he dare not raise his voice, because he knows the second he does, he will be judged more harshly than them. They'll be able to really cap it off if they somehow prevent him from voting come November.
 
2012-10-10 08:46:39 PM

shower_in_my_socks: James F. Campbell: There had better be some strategy behind all this.


It wasn't strategy for Obama to have to spend a week defending his debate performance. I think the strategy was to appear to be the calm, confident adult in the room in the face of Romney's "zingers." Instead, Obama stood at the plate and watched one meatball after another float right through the strike zone.

He obviously gets it, now. The remaining debates will be very interesting.


Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.

I have class tomorrow night so I'll have to DVR it. But it'll be interesting to see how Biden handles Ryan.

Biden will probably be the attack dog, attacking all the flaws of Romney/Ryan's budget plan while Ryan keeps whining and complaining how it's all a lie with nothing to back it up but the assumptions based on a bunch of right-wing think tanks. 

If Biden does come out as the winner and does expose the flaws of Ryan's plan, the tides might turn back to Obama again.
 
2012-10-10 08:48:10 PM

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate


Yup. Bring nothing to the table, and brow-beat like a used car salesman. Lincoln would be so proud.
 
2012-10-10 08:49:52 PM

Aarontology: what_now: Nabb1 Fark Independent.

I think Nabb1 is one of the very, very few who actually are independent.


Nope... garden variety Fark Independent.
 
2012-10-10 08:49:55 PM

Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


"I was too polite" is fundamentally different than all the things you just listed. Do you know what the difference is? Yes, of course you do.
 
2012-10-10 08:51:40 PM
And when he comes up swinging and tears into Mitt and Granny Oklahoma and Grampy First Baptist say "He seems like a very angry negro," you'll understand why he was too polite the first time.
 
2012-10-10 08:52:19 PM
And let us be frank about it. A Fark Independent is just a regular smarmy conservative who thinks too much of their own "intelligence" to self identify with Tea Baggers.
 
2012-10-10 08:52:40 PM
If we don't hear "that's not what you said in the last debate" then Obama doesn't want to win.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:01 PM

Shaggy_C: And this is the kind of guy you want across the negotiating table from Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-un? Please. He can't even beat Romney, and Romney sucks!

Romney 2012: At least he knows how to debate


That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Are you compairing negotiations with a debate. One of those things end in a compromise, the others don't. Being polite yet firm is the way to negotiate, you don't walk in with guns blazing, when you address the leader of a soverign nation.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:03 PM
After almost two weeks of being told what a choking, impotent weakling he is it's pretty much a certainty that he'll perform stronger in the next debate. You'd have to be deaf, blind, and dumb to take all this criticism and not do something about it.

Can it be Tuesday yet?
 
2012-10-10 08:53:09 PM

Mrtraveler01: Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.


On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:51 PM
No, you weren't 'too polite', you had to actually stand on and defend your record without a bunch of platitudes and you had to deal with conservative ideas, something that will always confound liberals as they have never been able to do that very well.
 
2012-10-10 08:54:58 PM
I also took a trip to an alternate reality where Obama just destroyed Romney and the supposed MSM is saying how Obama was too aggressive and turned off voters, especially women who don't want an aggressive man for president.
 
2012-10-10 08:55:03 PM
No, 0bama was not polite, he was completely clueless.

The one thing in his complete control was the closing statement. It was farking awful.

He generally had no ideas of explanations of what he is doing in the next four years except his old tired lines of corporate jets and did he mention again how ATMs are taking people's jobs?

He sounds tired.
 
2012-10-10 08:55:15 PM

Nabb1: FlashHarry: Nabb1: "I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

see... you guys never admit fault...

Well "my guy" is running on a third party ticket and wasn't invited to the corporate-sponsored, meticulously rehearsed talking point parroting, dog and pony show that passes for a "debate" these days.


Question: do you honestly believe, if elected, "your guy" would be able to work with congress?
 
2012-10-10 08:55:51 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I heart PB' in their slambooks, and sees this as his final audition for 2016. Also he's bright enough to hit Joe back if he gaffes.

On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


FTFM
 
2012-10-10 08:57:30 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrtraveler01: Tomorrow's is going to be real interesting.

On one hand, Ryan is smart, wonky, has no compunction about lying through his teeth, still has half the media writing 'I
On the other, Crazy Uncle Joe's a damn good speaker and has a great sense for the moment. If there's an opening there, Joe'll smack it out of the park.


I have a con ed class I really need. I am going to miss the debate. I am going to try and find a replay though. It should be very interesting.
 
2012-10-10 08:57:46 PM

FlashHarry: he has a country to run and may be distracted by real problems. no, he's admitting fault.


If he thought his top job was running the country, then maybe he could have met with the world leaders at the UN rather than going on The View and lying on Letterman about the 9/11 attack on the embassy.
It isn't as if there are troubles in the Mideast or anything.
 
2012-10-10 08:58:52 PM

dr_blasto: BunkoSquad: People have been slagging the President all week, but in his defense, it's hard to prepare for a debate against someone who believes in nothing and who will say literally any goddamn thing he can think of to sound impressive.

He could, you know, say this very thing in the debate.

"Fellow Americans, I came to this debate with real solutions to real problems. I answered the questions with facts and detailed plans; I came to talk to you because my opponent, Mr. Windsock, believes in nothing. He believes in nothing and will actually say anything he thinks you want to hear. There is no plan on that side of the stage, at least no plan beyond being bold in his lies and using them in his pathetic attempt to get a job he doesn't want to do.

"He doesn't want to be president, he wants to be CEO; the same kind of CEO he was at Bain. He wants to suck the value out of this country to enrich his friends and himself."


That is EXCELLENT! Somebody forward that to an Obama campaign office, STAT!!!
 
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