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(BBC)   Are you responsible for piracy traced to your net connection? Let's ask 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 11
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4733 clicks; posted to Geek » on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:30 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-10-10 11:11:02 PM
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DNRTFA, but I hope subby gets accused of a crime he did not commit, and has to rely on convincing a jury full of folks "not smart enough to get out of jury duty" that he didn't do it.

Been on 3 juries. One was a murder trial. Sitting in judgement of another human being, and being charged with deciding if that person should have to lose his life for the crime he was accused of, was the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life.
2012-10-10 09:57:10 PM
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At least in this state there don't seem to be any "smart" exemptions. You can't claim work-related hardship because it's illegal to fire somebody for having jury duty. The only ways out seem to be excused illness or having to care for someone too young or too old to take care of their own poop.
2012-10-10 09:38:49 PM
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Relatively Obscure: Maybe, but it's just not that goddamn tough. I can open up my browser, type nothing but "PORN" into the address bar, and it brings up a link to streaming porn. That seems easier to figure out than torrents. But, some people are easy to overestimate, it's true. A friend of mine did recently have to give a talk at her work on using email. So, you could be right.


Sometimes you're in a situation where a decent live internet connection isn't available and you have to fall back on the bank, the office network is slow and/or blocks streaming protocols but luckily you've got a USB stick and thanks to that 25 page test you just brought in the students are too preoccupied to bother you, even with the sound really low.
2012-10-10 08:59:10 PM
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scottydoesntknow: Relatively Obscure: /People pirate porn? Why?Because they're behind on technology. They were just figuring out how to search pictures when torrents started to show up. Now they're downloading torrents when most tech-savvy people know that tons of sites are just straight streaming it.


If you watch a video in a browser the only way to skip the boring parts and seek forward a bit is that you start clicking around with your mouse, using your right hand. If you download and play it in your video player software you can do the skipping with your left hand by pressing keys, which is not only convenient but is also faster.

/I said too much
2012-10-10 07:45:06 PM
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Why don't more people just pay for a legal service?

OK, I know there's the whole "you can't beat free", but Fyre allows you one studio for $8 (so like 700 movies). It's peanuts and you'll get your porn straight away in reasonable quality. No hanging around waiting for torrents.
2012-10-10 07:17:38 PM
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imageshack.us

Good luck!
2012-10-10 07:10:45 PM
1 votes:
I remember reading about the porn company that was doing mass lawsuits didn't actually own any of the copyrights they were suing over.
2012-10-10 07:08:06 PM
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Endive Wombat: So there are a few things going on here:

First off - ... There is a shame/embarrassment aspect to a suit like that, and while I do not have an answer as how to properly address this...I do feel it is something that does need to be looked at.


Agreed... I'd suggest that the record could be redacted - the complaint could say something like "Porn Co. claims that Endive Wombat has willingly made infringing copies of [redacted] while [redacted] with a [redacted] in his [redacted]."

Second - Piracy does not necessarily = lost sales. What I mean by that is that just because I downloaded the newest Katy Perry album and listened to it, it also does not mean that I would have been willing to pay for it if the option to download it "for free" was not available. Presumption of lost sales is a dumb way or at least a very narrow way to look at the issue.

It's their property, so you don't get to say "I don't think your property is worth shiat, so I should feel free to use it without paying you." If you really didn't think it was worth at least some use, then you wouldn't have used it. For example, I haven't downloaded the latest Justin Beiber album because not only am I not willing to pay for it, I'm not even willing to listen to it for free.
By pirating something, you're saying it has value... You're just disagreeing on what you should have to pay for that value.

Finally, the issue at hand - I think as time goes on, this issue will be treated like guns. If someone burglarizes your home, takes your guns and uses them in a crime, you are not responsible for their crimes. So, if someone uses your internet connection, it is silly to hold you as the ISPs customer accountable, especially if you have taken steps to secure your WiFi connection. Also, if you take hacked PCs, hijacked systems, bot nets, proxys and the like into account here, the idea of an IP Address equaling a person is even less of a legit argument.

Yes, with the similar argument that if you leave your guns lying around, loaded and unsecured on your front porch, and some neighbor kid picks one up and shoots someone, you will be held liable for your negligence.
But that said, I don't think it will be a judicial decision that creates that liability... Rather, I could see an ISP requiring in your contractual terms of service that you stipulate that you're responsible for all data flowing through your modem, regardless of who's actually triggering the application layer requests, and agree to waive any arguments to the contrary in court.
2012-10-10 07:06:00 PM
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yukichigai: Here's an odd realization I had: if this is successful, in that the IP address is not considered sufficient to prove an individual user did the downloading, then I expect the industry to (slowly) get behind pushing IPv6.

Why? Because there are so many addresses, NAT pretty much doesn't happen anymore, even on residential routers (the few that support IPv6 anyway).


The Cathedral And The Bazaar.

There will be nat6, because some corps will create artificial scarcity around ipv6 addresses ("Another address? Why yes ... $5pcm please") and bofhs will be too incompetent/lazy/malicious to set them up properly. ("Another address? Why yes ... moar Jolt plox") There will be that itch, someone will scratch it, and $industry will suddenly need to show that nat6 wasn't happening -- same as now.

But by all means can they push for it now -- ipv6 is good. But it won't be as good for them as they think
2012-10-10 06:49:06 PM
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Here's an odd realization I had: if this is successful, in that the IP address is not considered sufficient to prove an individual user did the downloading, then I expect the industry to (slowly) get behind pushing IPv6.

Why? Because there are so many addresses, NAT pretty much doesn't happen anymore, even on residential routers (the few that support IPv6 anyway). Connections are given a range of public addresses to choose from, which are assigned to every device on the network. No private addresses, even behind the firewall. Any torrenting done with IPv6 would be tracked to an IP address that represented an individual computer, not the residential router the computer connects through.

This, of course, assumes that the RIAA/MPAA has any people who actually understand technology. They did figure out how to spell "IP Address" on a subpoena though, so maybe there's one or two hiding in there.
2012-10-10 04:00:44 PM
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Cewley: fark you subby. i spent six months on a grand jury, and i can assure you most of them had a higher iQ then yours.

Then yours? Kinda shot your premise there.
 
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