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2012-10-10 05:15:44 PM  
Dude, where's my pulse?
 
2012-10-10 05:39:04 PM  
I blame terr-rists.
 
2012-10-10 05:49:26 PM  
Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.
 
2012-10-10 06:33:26 PM  
"One of the rescued was pulled out from under a steal beam by four firefighters." - Suzette Laboy, AP

Very nice.
 
2012-10-10 07:27:47 PM  
FTFA:
Many workers left the site without telling authorities.
...
William P. Byrne, president and chief executive officer of the garage contractor, Ajax Building Corp., said an internal review was being launched to determine the cause. Byrne said the company would embrace "any additional protocols, policies and procedures that will enhance and ensure the continued priority of safety."


Found your problem. Fleeing workers after a disaster probably means they are illegal immigrants. Teach you to cut corners, Ajax.
 
2012-10-10 07:54:36 PM  
Dammit.

*shield*
 
2012-10-10 07:55:29 PM  
Get out now.
 
2012-10-10 07:56:08 PM  
Pull him through.

Needle in the hay.
 
2012-10-10 07:57:49 PM  
imageshack.us

/oblig
 
2012-10-10 07:58:20 PM  

had98c: [imageshack.us image 350x243]

/oblig


Apples!
 
2012-10-10 07:59:19 PM  
I can't decide which is more of a disaster: the parking garage collapse or that article. Someone got paid to write this?
 
2012-10-10 08:00:39 PM  

Elegy: FTFA:
Many workers left the site without telling authorities.
...
William P. Byrne, president and chief executive officer of the garage contractor, Ajax Building Corp., said an internal review was being launched to determine the cause. Byrne said the company would embrace "any additional protocols, policies and procedures that will enhance and ensure the continued priority of safety."

Found your problem. Fleeing workers after a disaster probably means they are illegal immigrants. Teach you to cut corners, Ajax.


But I was told that illegal immigrants only took job that no one wanted. Americans don't want construction jobs? Huh, I learned something today.
 
2012-10-10 08:01:14 PM  

CraicBaby: Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.


You can take some comfort in that these things always seem to be under construction when they collapse. If your parking deck makes it all the way to public access without crumbling, you're good to go.
 
2012-10-10 08:01:20 PM  

CraicBaby: Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.


They freak me out a little too. I know there are literally thousands of the things that are perfectly safe but you still hear about a collapse every so often.

What is it? Shoddy construction? Design? You would think a giant reinforced concrete structure would be pretty solid.
 
2012-10-10 08:01:55 PM  

DashFieldpaint: I can't decide which is more of a disaster: the parking garage collapse or that article. Someone got paid to write this?


You pay writers, then?

Hey, writer to writer, hire me to write for you.

*)
 
2012-10-10 08:06:27 PM  

Bathsalt: But I was told that illegal immigrants only took job that no one wanted. Americans don't want construction jobs? Huh, I learned something today.


Not the unskilled jobs that pay about as much as retail.
 
2012-10-10 08:09:44 PM  

12349876: Bathsalt: But I was told that illegal immigrants only took job that no one wanted. Americans don't want construction jobs? Huh, I learned something today.

Not the unskilled jobs that pay about as much as retail.


Anyone who would prefer retail over construction at the same pay has never worked retail.
 
2012-10-10 08:12:21 PM  
mmm Pancake

i know i shouldn't eat thee

hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-10 08:15:45 PM  
i.imgur.com

It's a shame the speed of the fall couldn't have been measured. Did it fall at a free fall speed?
 
2012-10-10 08:16:09 PM  

CraicBaby: Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.


If it helps you, I've collapsed in a parking garage.

/Way to drunk.
//Was walking home, didn't drive there.
 
2012-10-10 08:27:04 PM  
The IV was inserted into him? Aliens!
 
2012-10-10 08:31:07 PM  

vodka: The IV was inserted into him? Aliens!


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-10 08:32:03 PM  
creating a pancake-style collapse

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-10 08:36:14 PM  
Sometimes this sort of thing is what happens when we strip away all the "red tape and regulations" interfering with business.
 
2012-10-10 08:46:59 PM  

crab66: CraicBaby: Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.

They freak me out a little too. I know there are literally thousands of the things that are perfectly safe but you still hear about a collapse every so often.

What is it? Shoddy construction? Design? You would think a giant reinforced concrete structure would be pretty solid.


Looking at the couple of pictures I've found on the net, I'm seeing both thin sections, and an apparent lack of rebar. It looks like something from farking Port-au-Prince, Haiti. So probably both.
 
2012-10-10 08:54:12 PM  

Lunaville: Sometimes this sort of thing is what happens when we strip away all the "red tape and regulations" interfering with business.


But, as usual, this sort of thing happened under the watchful eye of our super Government benefactors.
 
2012-10-10 08:56:13 PM  

forgotmydamnusername:
Looking at the couple of pictures I've found on the net, I'm seeing both thin sections, and an apparent lack of rebar. It looks like something from farking Port-au-Prince, Haiti. So probably both.


Probably with an "economy" concrete mix thrown in too...
 
2012-10-10 08:56:18 PM  
"a steal beam"? Maybe if the steel beam wasn't stolen...
 
2012-10-10 08:59:31 PM  
Slightly better effort from the writer here.
 
2012-10-10 09:00:36 PM  

12349876: Bathsalt: But I was told that illegal immigrants only took job that no one wanted. Americans don't want construction jobs? Huh, I learned something today.

Not the unskilled jobs that pay about as much as retail.


It's not just the unskilled jobs. Roofing and concrete work are skilled trades, but they're hard and can become kinda mindless. They used to be done by ex-cons and white trash speed-freak-alcoholic types. The Central Americans came, undercut the Americans, and now seeing a white or black face on a roof or finishing a cement slab is unusual.
 
2012-10-10 09:02:35 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Looking at the couple of pictures I've found on the net, I'm seeing both thin sections, and an apparent lack of rebar. It looks like something from farking Port-au-Prince, Haiti. So probably both.


A slideshow of some more pictures. You can see in the last one that the portion that collapsed was only part of a much larger structure. They'll probably have to tear down the rest of it, too

/my condolences to the family of the syrup.
 
2012-10-10 09:15:50 PM  

pkticker: Slightly better effort from the writer here.


The Miami Herald is usually a pretty good newspaper.
 
2012-10-10 09:17:16 PM  

lizaardvark: Lunaville: Sometimes this sort of thing is what happens when we strip away all the "red tape and regulations" interfering with business.

But, as usual, this sort of thing happened under the watchful eye of our super Government benefactors.


Most of the Southeast and Florida have extremely lax regulations over the construction and remodeling industries. You have something built down here it's pretty much buyer and users beware, but I'm sure you were aware of that.
 
2012-10-10 09:51:27 PM  

lizaardvark: Lunaville: Sometimes this sort of thing is what happens when we strip away all the "red tape and regulations" interfering with business.

But, as usual, this sort of thing happened under the watchful eye of our super Government benefactors.


That are former industry insiders.
 
2012-10-10 10:20:53 PM  

crab66: CraicBaby: Ugh. I have this fear that the parking garage will collapse while I'm in it. This does not help.

They freak me out a little too. I know there are literally thousands of the things that are perfectly safe but you still hear about a collapse every so often.

What is it? Shoddy construction? Design? You would think a giant reinforced concrete structure would be pretty solid.


My father and I work construction (restoration actually, this collapse happened a couple blocks from a job we're working on now), we can't know how this one collapsed until the investigation is finished but what he explained to me about other similar parking garage collapses was that the crane is rented by the hour. The beams and columns are precast and put in place first, then the deck is made up of double TT precast sections and is lowered on top of the beams by the crane, he said there should be 20 weld points for the exposed rebar between each deck piece and the beams they are resting on. Since the crane is working faster than the welder, the welder ends up tac welding a few spots on each and will go back later to finish the job. Generally, the structure is solid and won't collapse by itself since the deck sections are resting solid on the beams. However, if the crane brake slips a bit or it comes down hard with one of the deck sections, it could jostle the structure and without all of the welds in place, the entire thing comes down (which is probably why only 1/4 of the garage collapsed, the other 3/4 were in place and the welding was finished properly there). The design is fine, pretty much all parking garages are built off of a standard proven design and all of the individual pieces are pre-cast at a concrete plant and trucked to the site. It's only in rushing the assembly that this can happen while they are putting the deck sections in place.
 
2012-10-10 10:37:19 PM  
Floor after floor collapse? Obviously it was thermite planted by the government. Inside job!
 
2012-10-10 11:38:38 PM  
Another quality project by Penultimate Corporation.

/damn subcontractors
 
2012-10-11 12:08:57 AM  

Marcintosh: lizaardvark: Lunaville: Sometimes this sort of thing is what happens when we strip away all the "red tape and regulations" interfering with business.

But, as usual, this sort of thing happened under the watchful eye of our super Government benefactors.

That are former industry insiders.


So the difference between government inspection/regulation and less or none is what again?
 
2012-10-11 12:11:40 AM  
Was at a lowes with a parking lot on the roof...was kinda eerie being in the store knowing there were 50 cars above your head
 
2012-10-11 01:12:17 AM  
i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-11 02:31:36 AM  

lordargent: creating a pancake-style collapse

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 341x340]


I want to pee in yo' food!

/...or was that another sketch?
 
2012-10-11 06:17:16 AM  

Booneht: However, if the crane brake slips a bit or it comes down hard with one of the deck sections, it could jostle the structure and without all of the welds in place, the entire thing comes down (which is probably why only 1/4 of the garage collapsed, the other 3/4 were in place and the welding was finished properly there).


Not a construction worker; but would it be possible to hire more welders so they CAN keep up with the crane?
 
2012-10-11 06:25:11 AM  

Firethorn: Booneht: However, if the crane brake slips a bit or it comes down hard with one of the deck sections, it could jostle the structure and without all of the welds in place, the entire thing comes down (which is probably why only 1/4 of the garage collapsed, the other 3/4 were in place and the welding was finished properly there).

Not a construction worker; but would it be possible to hire more welders so they CAN keep up with the crane?


But that would cost money!
 
2012-10-11 06:43:03 AM  

PastaFazoole: But that would cost money!


If you figure on there being X chance of a total collapse costing $Y million, killing 3-4 workers at a cost of $Z million in death benefits and lawsuits, compared to the cost of the crane rental(probably low thousands per hour), another weld team should be relatively cheap - especially since you're going to have to pay for at least most of the hours anyways for them to come back and finish up all the welding.
 
2012-10-11 01:49:07 PM  
Even worse than being stuck under a steel beam? Living in Florida.
 
2012-10-11 07:51:19 PM  

Firethorn: PastaFazoole: But that would cost money!

If you figure on there being X chance of a total collapse costing $Y million, killing 3-4 workers at a cost of $Z million in death benefits and lawsuits, compared to the cost of the crane rental(probably low thousands per hour), another weld team should be relatively cheap - especially since you're going to have to pay for at least most of the hours anyways for them to come back and finish up all the welding.


It's that X chance of total collapse is such a small number, they don't pay attention to it. Also, most jobs don't have a structural engineer on site checking the work is being done properly every day. So the foreman on site just goes ahead with following the blueprint and most blueprints I've seen have a disclaimer that the modes and methodology is up to the contractor leaving the engineer off the hook for a lawsuit. The on site foreman probably sees on the blueprint that there need to be X number of welds and just figures that the order and number don't matter so much as it is done before inspection. I've only been doing this sort of work for 2 years now but I've already seen a number of times where the foreman sets up the job site and follows the blueprint but then the engineer comes out to the job site to see it in person and says we need to double the number of nails or use additional bracing.
 
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