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(USA Today)   "The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service ... ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful ... program ... ever seen." If only they were talking about the mail   ( divider line
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3776 clicks; posted to Sports » on 10 Oct 2012 at 4:23 PM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-10-10 04:46:25 PM  
2 votes:
Wow, I'm only on like page 50 and it just keeps getting juicier. I have been a cyclist for over 30 years, and I knew about doping long before Armstrong. I always knew he was a fraud because what he did was impossible without some kind of enhancement. The fanbois tend to forget that he sucked at stage racing until his "miracle" tour. DopeStrong and LieStrong about it.
Also, direct link to PDF here:

2012-10-11 12:42:32 AM  
1 vote:
Wow, so the testimony of a dozen guys not as good as Armstrong, who all got caught doping is enough to convict him. Color me shocked.

The French hated him - still do - yet you think after each stage win, tour win and random test sample they would have found something. He was probably the most heavily tested athlete in the world and never failed a test. It takes analysts, hand picked by the USADA to find anomalies in his samples a half a dozen years or so after the fact.

Did he dope? It is possible. With all the doping in the sport, 8th in the tour is good enough for the podium after all the dopers are kicked out but I find it hard to believe that if the tiger woods of cycling was tested after every other race for 7 years and found nothing, it takes a bunch of disgruntled ex-riders and dopers to sway opinion the other way.
2012-10-10 10:05:14 PM  
1 vote:
So Lance is still claiming he is innocent. Ok, WTF, I'll play along. How much of asshole do you have to be to have 11 of your former teammates testify, under oath, to "frame" your ass? Innocent but a raging douchenozzle. That is the best possible scenario for Lance right now.
2012-10-10 08:11:02 PM  
1 vote:
Just popped in to add to the chorus that the post office is amazing.

For pocket change, you can drop an envelope into a box on the street and they will deliver it to any address in the country within a few days. And they'll hand-deliver all your mail and packages to your door, six days a week, at no cost to you.

It's an amazing service for the price, and I don't get the hate for it either. But I guess some people's politics ave caused them to decide, a priori, that any quasi-governmental agency must necessarily be wasteful, inefficient, and mismanaged.
2012-10-10 08:04:12 PM  
1 vote:
The evidence against Armstrong is devastating. If there was an issue with doping in cycling before Armstrong, just think how much Lance's and his team's use would have contributed to that culture. When it comes to doping in sports it's always important to go after ring leaders such as Armstrong to set an example that this behavior will not be tolerated. Perhaps many of the other cyclists were doping as well but unless we can prove it, they will most likely escape the same fate. This era of cycling will be forever tainted by Armstrong's legacy. I just hope that he can serve as an example to young athletes anywhere that doping is not worth the consequences.
2012-10-10 08:01:14 PM  
1 vote:
You do realize that the team doping is sufficient grounds for having the titles taken away right?
2012-10-10 07:22:25 PM  
1 vote:
I'm just tired of hearing about this. Are we done yet? Can we get back to cycling now? Please?
2012-10-10 06:36:38 PM  
1 vote:

expobill: Marcus Aurelius:

Funny how most of that information isn't admissible in a court of law. The USADA, on the other hand, is fee to cut any deals they like, using any tactics available.

What would surprise me is if this is the end of it, or whether the USADA will go on wasting our tax dollars on this crapola. Why not go further back while they're ignoring the statute of limitations?

this topic has been under investigation since 2006 and took this long for these results

Based on pressured accusations and hearsay.

Let me put it this way.

They drug tested him.
He passed the drug tests.
End of story.

The USADA needs to sit down, shut up, and GTFBTW. This is just a pissing contest.
2012-10-10 05:54:30 PM  
1 vote:
I'm sure Lance's lawyers were not working for free. So it was either quit now or go broke.
2012-10-10 05:45:46 PM  
1 vote:

there their theyre: Who farking cares, so a doper beat a bunch of other dopers. Since everyone was doping, doesn't it cancel out the competitive advantage?

It's a race between medical theories. Lance's technology was superior, so, his medical team won a lot of Tours.
2012-10-10 04:40:38 PM  
1 vote:
It would be a shorter list of cyclists who have not doped.
2012-10-10 03:25:51 PM  
1 vote:
The real joke about all this is that the guys who would stand to get Lance's stripped Tour de France wins are all embroiled in their own doping scandals.
2012-10-10 03:18:53 PM  
1 vote:
Im reading the 200 page reasoned decision right now. Its incredibly detailed going through the allegations in chronological order with lots of backing testimony. In some regards they were so blatant about their doping practices I think Lance got away with it through sheer hubris to this point.
2012-10-10 03:09:55 PM  
1 vote:
Actually the US Postal Service is pretty amazing. If they weren't being forced by Congress to set aside 30 years of pensions for people they haven't even hired yet, they'd be fine financially, as well.

As for this guy, not that I really care, but I'm curious as to how the USADA has the authority to strip him of titles for an event in another country.
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