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2012-10-11 06:07:56 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: However, his refusal to attend a hearing still speaks volumes.


That is the biggest bunch of bullshiat. Cops say that all the time. Never mind the Constitution.
 
2012-10-11 07:52:44 PM  

rka: Bronzed War God: They both tweeted statements admitting their guilt.

The iron clad court of Twitter is the rule of law these days?

"They tweeted..." Oh! They tweeted? Case closed!!!


Not that they tweeted... that they both did it simultaneously with similar statements. Two people who really have no reason to accuse Lance falsely. Hincapie owes everything to Lance. Yes, USADA got to them somehow and has some dirt on each of them. But Hincapie wouldn't testify or assist against Lance out of spite, like Landis or Hamilton might.

Thus, their statements, via twitter, are in my opinion significant.
 
2012-10-11 08:36:26 PM  

Gig103: DeathByGeekSquad: However, his refusal to attend a hearing still speaks volumes.

That is the biggest bunch of bullshiat. Cops say that all the time. Never mind the Constitution.


This is not a criminal case - no cops involved.
 
2012-10-11 11:51:54 PM  

kapaso: Lance wasn't the best cyclist, he was the best doper. He was a leader and pioneer in the field of doping, that is the problem. The fanboys just can't seem to grasp what a pos Armstrong was and how badly he effected professional cycling. The whole you couldnt win if you didn't dope line is correct, but it leaves out the part that Armstrong and his team were the single most reason that things got to that point. He needs to give back his winnings and a huge chunk of endorsement money now, he is through.


B.S. Doping has been part of the sport for a long, long time. As noted by others, every one of his competitors over the years doped. Greg LeMond once claimed he was the last guy to win the TdF clean. I've been around the sport long enough to remember that HE was the whipping boy for the French press articles about doping in the pre-Lance era.
 
2012-10-12 12:15:46 AM  

bill_01915: k.

B.S. Doping has been part of the sport for a long, long time. As noted by others, every one of his competitors over the years doped. Greg LeMond once claimed he was the last guy to win the TdF clean. I've been around the sport long enough to remember that HE was the whipping boy for the French press articles about doping in the pre-Lance era.


ummm, do we know a Miguel Indurain?
 
2012-10-12 02:00:50 AM  
I dont understand why if their evidence is so cut and dry, the federal investigation was just dropped.

I thought they saved the B samples for years, shouldnt they be able to test them now and come up with more than, people saying they saw it happen, if a lack of technology was the issue then?

Everyone who says that no way you could get 26 people to all tell the same lie....havent they all already proved they could do exactly that for years?

I find it interesting that theyre making him out to be the guy pulling all the strings, wouldnt he need a chemistry degree or something to have a super advanced untrackable doping system that lets you pass 500 plus tests? He should really market that at walgreens to people who need to pass a drug test at work.
 
2012-10-12 06:20:04 AM  

expobill: bill_01915: k.

B.S. Doping has been part of the sport for a long, long time. As noted by others, every one of his competitors over the years doped. Greg LeMond once claimed he was the last guy to win the TdF clean. I've been around the sport long enough to remember that HE was the whipping boy for the French press articles about doping in the pre-Lance era.

ummm, do we know a Miguel Indurain?


I've read articles where people were quoted questioning whether or not Indurain was clean. LeMond claimed he was the last rider to win clean. I'm pretty sure he didn't forget about Big Mig's 5 year run when he said it.
 
2012-10-12 06:35:36 AM  

Magnanimous_Spirit: I dont understand why if their evidence is so cut and dry, the federal investigation was just dropped.

I thought they saved the B samples for years, shouldnt they be able to test them now and come up with more than, people saying they saw it happen, if a lack of technology was the issue then?

Everyone who says that no way you could get 26 people to all tell the same lie....havent they all already proved they could do exactly that for years?

I find it interesting that theyre making him out to be the guy pulling all the strings, wouldnt he need a chemistry degree or something to have a super advanced untrackable doping system that lets you pass 500 plus tests? He should really market that at walgreens to people who need to pass a drug test at work.


The testing rules basically say that the rider gives 2 samples. If the A sample turns up positive he has the right to challenge the result by having the B sample tested. If you test the B sample now, the rider would lose their right to challenge the result as there would be no C sample to test.

For the record, testing authorities have run tests using newer methods on old B samples. This was done primarily to get data about the new tests. Some years back a French reporter got a results sheet and some other documents that matched up LA with positive B samples. While that doesn't constitute a failure of an official doping test because there's no C sample to confirm it, I expect that is another one of those circumstantial facts in the USADA case.
 
2012-10-12 09:25:31 AM  

Magnanimous_Spirit: I find it interesting that theyre making him out to be the guy pulling all the strings, wouldnt he need a chemistry degree or something to have a super advanced untrackable doping system that lets you pass 500 plus tests?


No, you just need a doctor that does that for you. BTW, they DID test the B samples and they DID turn up positive. But that's apparently because they're out to frame him.

But yeah, it's totally reasonable to assume that the guy who hadn't won anything of relevance before suddenly became great after getting cancer. So great, in fact, that his entire team had to dope in order to help keep him in front, but he didn't need any in order to dominate the Tour. That 26 people are all being blackmailed into saying Lance doped. That the several hundred thousand dollars given to the testing agency was just a friendly coincidental gift for the people that he saw so often while they were testing him. That several drug tests from several different years were all tainted by some random thug in the labs, who somehow found out which samples were whose.

I'm sure it's much easier to believe in a vast, gigantic conspiracy that achieves nothing rather than the simple, obvious truth: Lance doped and is lying about it.
 
2012-10-12 11:00:52 AM  
I agree that there is an overwhelming mountain of testimony by people who say that they saw and participated in unallowed drug use and blood doping and other cheating activities.

However we still don't have a single positive test. And people can lie.

So it's kind of like the FBI trying to convict a mob boss of murder when all they have is the sworn testimony of a dozen of his underlings (who are in jail or under indictment) but they don't have a body.

Yes, it's possible to convict based on that - BUT there's always the question of whether it actually happened or not, since there's no dead body.
 
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