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2012-10-10 12:42:26 PM
7 votes:
Everyone who said that it would come back to bite us letting government and law enforcement have special powers to go after "terrorists" and that soon such laws would be abused to go after petty criminals, come up and claim your prize.
2012-10-10 12:42:29 PM
4 votes:
I have no problem at all with gang members being labelled terrorists.
2012-10-10 12:41:27 PM
4 votes:
So, first pass the NDAA indefinate incarceration amendments, then expand the definition of terrorist. I'm shocked.
2012-10-10 11:04:38 AM
4 votes:
They throw the word "terrorist" at everything now because it gets people's attention and makes headlines and probably gives an excuse to throw people into Gitmo. The farking Batman theater shooter is being called a terrorist. You don't need to make any politically motivated speeches or demands anymore, just do something violent and you're a terrorist. The word has about as much meaning now as "hipster".
2012-10-10 01:01:55 PM
3 votes:
Definition of terrorist? Easy:

If you don't like them and have no obligations to their supporters: Terrorist.
If you don't like them but have obligations to their supporters: Violent Extremist
If you like them but have obligations to their opponents or supporters of their opponents: Armed Insurgent
If you like them and have no obligations to their opponents or supporters of their opponents: Freedom-Fighters / Rebels.

NY seems to have skipped the part of the lecture in which they covered terrorism really only being a definition applied to foreign operators. American citizens are just criminals.
2012-10-10 11:35:02 AM
3 votes:

Mugato: They throw the word "racist" at everything now because it gets people's attention and makes headlines and probably gives an excuse to throw people under the bus. Mitt Romney is being called a racist. You don't need to make any politically motivated speeches or demands anymore, just say something stupid and you're a racist. The word has about as much meaning now as "epic".


FTFY
2012-10-10 06:43:35 PM
2 votes:
The definition of a "militant" in foreign lands, is "anyone the US military kills".
2012-10-10 03:18:00 PM
2 votes:
Use a broad enough brush and soon you too will be "terrorizing" the highways with your excessive speed.

1. Pass laws that strip Constitutional Rights from "terrorists"
2. Make everyone a terrorist
3. ???
4. www.hermes-press.com
2012-10-10 02:23:11 PM
2 votes:
mlkshk.com 

If you've ever lived in a gang-infested neighborhood, you'll know that they ARE terrorists...
2012-10-10 12:52:56 PM
2 votes:

cleek: thanks W !


And Biden, and basically everyone in the Congress in 2001, and Obama for re-upping it, and basically everyone in Congress when that happened...when both parties get together to do something, America's getting farked.
2012-10-10 12:51:45 PM
2 votes:
Go ahead and scoff. One should. One really should. Dumbasses like this... Indeed, it's hard not to laugh. Not because it's funny. Too bad it's not. Everyone knew something like this was coming. No one acted to stop it. That's the real crime. If only someone had acted. Only now it's too late. Now we're stuck with it. So we need to make the best of it.
2012-10-10 12:45:38 PM
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Everyone who said that it would come back to bite us letting government and law enforcement have special powers to go after "terrorists" and that soon such laws would be abused to go after petty criminals, come up and claim your prize.


I don't want it now.
2012-10-10 12:40:31 PM
2 votes:
here's the USA PATRIOT act's definition of "domestic terrorist":

the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.
 

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html#802

pretty goddamned broad.

thanks W !
2012-10-10 12:17:26 PM
2 votes:
10-year-olds have been arrested for "Terroristic threatening". It's a new thing police like to charge people with if you make any kind of threats, no matter what your age. Well, new since 9/11 anyway.
2012-10-10 11:48:37 AM
2 votes:
If you give a prosecutor power, they're going to abuse it. That's why we hold the world's record for incarceration rates.
2012-10-10 09:40:38 PM
1 votes:

dready zim: Vectron: The definition of a "militant" in foreign lands, is "anyone the US military kills".

I thought that was `collateral damage`?


Nope. This is our official US policy.

The Obama administration defines a militant as any military-age male in the strike zone when its drone attacks.

Guilty until proven innocent.
2012-10-10 06:43:27 PM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Robert S. Smith, an associate judge, asked whether that meant the members of the rival gangs were also terrorists.

"In the abstract, yes," Mr. Coddington answered.

"So everyone is a terrorist," Judge Smith said.

Because gang members and everyone is the same thing. Nice comprehension.


Where do you draw the line as to what is a gang?
2012-10-10 06:43:08 PM
1 votes:
Keep telling yourself 9/11 wasn't the usa version of Hitler/Poland. Don't stop believing.
2012-10-10 05:44:50 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: MycroftHolmes: Mugato:
ter·ror·ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun:
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims


Wait. That's the State Department!
2012-10-10 05:34:31 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: They throw the word "terrorist" at everything now because it gets people's attention and makes headlines and probably gives an excuse to throw people into Gitmo. The farking Batman theater shooter is being called a terrorist. You don't need to make any politically motivated speeches or demands anymore, just do something violent and you're a terrorist. The word has about as much meaning now as "hipster".


Pretty much.

So no matter how much you might want to call them that, Congress members are not "economic terrorists" for their budget obstructionism, nor are legislators "terrorists" for passing laws you don't like. Terrorism is a very narrowly-defined action practiced by a very narrowly-defined group of people, and anything else being done, no matter how unpalatable, is just not terrorism.
2012-10-10 04:27:11 PM
1 votes:
2012-10-10 04:06:44 PM
1 votes:
/lived in gangland for years.... gangs largely fit the definition when they are plugged in politically.


But this looks more like idiocy - can't tell an Arab from a Mexican style idiocy.
2012-10-10 03:56:06 PM
1 votes:
Now even talking about terrorism makes you a terrorist.
2012-10-10 03:40:08 PM
1 votes:

Ennuipoet: Well, he IS brown, so chances are...


This kid is, but George Zimmerman isn't. So Latinos being brown is dependent on fitting the narrative being pushed?
2012-10-10 03:26:58 PM
1 votes:
So it takes something this stupid for you guys to realize they apply Bernaysian mind control on you on a daily basis?
2012-10-10 02:54:17 PM
1 votes:

jabelar: Aeon Rising: jabelar: We know how to wage war against actual combatants, and we know how to deal with dangerous criminals, organized or not.

Our inability to effectively deal with Afghanistan, Iraq, the enemy in the war on drugs and secure the southern border against increasing violence is stark evidence to the contrary.

This is a common misconception, these are all huge successes. I guess a lot of people think that our foreign policy goals are to create happy stable countries around the world, but it is not. Our goal is to destabilize other countries. This is because geopolitical success and power is relative and it is easier to tear others down rather than build yourself up.

Our issue with Iraq was that it was relatively stable. Stability is the thing we consider dangerous. This is why Iran is in our sights now.

The reason why everyone is always confused about why we go into all these regions in the way we do is that they don't understand the actual goal. Once you look at it as purposeful destabilization, it is pretty easy to understand it all.

it is certainly sad that we take this approach, but it is understandable.


Even if I accepted your position you only address a couple of my examples.

And I don't accept your position. Stability = money. We don't want other countries lawless, we want them to be customers.
2012-10-10 02:47:23 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: We should label all criminals as terrorists and give the government absolutely authority if we're going to by candy ass pussies about it.


Everyone that doesn't support absolute government authority is a terrorist.
2012-10-10 02:38:50 PM
1 votes:

cman: Mugato: They throw the word "racist" at everything now because it gets people's attention and makes headlines and probably gives an excuse to throw people under the bus. Mitt Romney is being called a racist. You don't need to make any politically motivated speeches or demands anymore, just say something stupid and you're a racist. The word has about as much meaning now as "epic".

FTFY


Couldn't wait to jam this thread up with dickery, huh??? I hope your real life is as miserable as your Fark persona, you dripping cock...
2012-10-10 02:28:37 PM
1 votes:

SubBass49: [mlkshk.com image 330x186] 

If you've ever lived in a gang-infested neighborhood, you'll know that they ARE terrorists...


And if you've ever lived in a Jew-infested neighborhood, you know that THEY can also be terrorists, amirite? Someone should do something about those people.

I mean, Jesus. I never use the slippery slope argument, but when have new laws that target vaguely defined groups of undesirables ever been a good thing?
2012-10-10 02:27:25 PM
1 votes:

jabelar: We know how to wage war against actual combatants, and we know how to deal with dangerous criminals, organized or not.


Our inability to effectively deal with Afghanistan, Iraq, the enemy in the war on drugs and secure the southern border against increasing violence is stark evidence to the contrary.
2012-10-10 02:25:13 PM
1 votes:
The test case was the DC sniper case. They convicted him on a terrorism charge.
Now they just need to apply it to anyone they want.
2012-10-10 02:17:50 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Everyone who said that it would come back to bite us letting government and law enforcement have special powers to go after "terrorists" and that soon such laws would be abused to go after petty criminals, come up and claim your prize.


Andy Rooney (who otherwise went a few bricks shy of a full load a number of years back) said on 60 minutes the Sunday after 9/11 that we would do more damage to ourselves than those terrorists did by crashing planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. Prize goes to him, I think.
2012-10-10 01:08:25 PM
1 votes:
Haha! I knew this would happen! I would link to the thread from a few days ago where I said this exact thing would happen, but I don't want to damage my gloat sphincter.
2012-10-10 12:58:41 PM
1 votes:

Ordinary Genius: Congratulations! everyone in this thread is now on a watch list.


As if half of Fark wasn't already.
2012-10-10 12:57:16 PM
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: sn82: Everybody needs a hobby, including gang members.

Make knitted scarves not war??


Knitting needles can be weapons you know. OTOH, a nice cozy scark makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
2012-10-10 12:53:22 PM
1 votes:
If you're in a gang, yes, you are.
take them all out back and execute them.
2012-10-10 12:51:58 PM
1 votes:
Congratulations! everyone in this thread is now on a watch list.
2012-10-10 12:51:14 PM
1 votes:

wwwade: So, first pass the NDAA indefinate incarceration amendments, then expand the definition of terrorist. I'm shocked.


Please. Remember the National Security Letters that PATRIOT birthed?

80-some-odd percent of them have been requested/issued (whatever the right term is) regarding drug cases and domestic crime, not international terrorism. And now they want to use drones domestically as well. Because Farmington, KS has a big problem with al-Qaeda infiltration.

// and we're still not allowed to take video of them with cell phones
2012-10-10 12:50:13 PM
1 votes:

cleek: here's the USA PATRIOT act's definition of "domestic terrorist":

the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'. 

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html#802

pretty goddamned broad.

thanks W !


Well, dammit. There are posts on the politics tab that:

A) violate cyber-bullying statutes, and are cruel enough that they could possibly cause somebody to commit suicide [welcometofark.jpg]

B) are intended to intimidate or coerce "libtards" or "conservatards" and advocate influencing government policy by promising an "ass-kicking" or "beatdown" on election day

C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

That could get you Gitmoed! Or maybe your wife, if she were trolling with your account.
2012-10-10 12:47:57 PM
1 votes:
Everyone who doesn't work for a government, this is.
2012-10-10 12:47:36 PM
1 votes:
A lower appellate court upheld the other counts but threw out the terrorism conviction, ruling that the facts showed that Mr. Morales acted to assert his gang's dominance over rival gangs.

"Such conduct falls within the category of ordinary street crime, not terrorism," ruled a panel of judges for the Appellate Division of State Supreme Court in 2010.


They threw it out once before, probably will again. This just sounds like a case of prosecution trying to add more charges to a conviction in order to increase the jail sentence.
2012-10-10 12:38:18 PM
1 votes:
Loitering with terroristic intent.
2012-10-10 11:45:24 AM
1 votes:

cman: Mugato: They throw the word "racist" at everything now because it gets people's attention and makes headlines and probably gives an excuse to throw people under the bus. Mitt Romney is being called a racist. You don't need to make any politically motivated speeches or demands anymore, just say something stupid and you're a racist. The word has about as much meaning now as "epic".

FTFY


Now that's not fair. God told Mitt and everyone else in his religion that as of 1978, black people are no longer animals. So calling him racist today is out of line.
2012-10-10 11:42:03 AM
1 votes:

cman: The word has about as much meaning now as "epic".


You want it all, but you can't have it.
 
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