That's like giving an alcoholic free drinks in exchange for their AA medallions. Which a bar in here in Minneapolis did back in the day, they had a wall full of them.

So you need doctors' orders and a special card issued so you can somehow manage not to gorge, or be charged for only a normal amount of food instead of the restaurants standard order, which is 2 to 5 times enough calories. I have a unique and revolutionary proposal: You don't order as much food, or you don't eat everything they bring you and instead stop when you are supposed to.

Buy my book and I'm running for office, this amazing new personal responsibility will sweep the nation.

vernonFL: Sizzler? What is this, 1987?

I wish. Classic Sizzler's Bloat.

Better than anything Golden Corral has these days.

FTFA:
These cards aren't a new phenomenon - they've been around in the U.S. at least since the 1990s,

Damn you, Fartbama!!

Headline can't be accurate.

*clicks*

F***. Really?

dittybopper:

Corn

I bolded everything that is pretty much unequivocally healthy food, and yes that includes grilled red meat. You could eat "Lean and Green" at a Golden Corral quite easily.


Ummmmmmm no.

Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

HEY!

Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

"We Goin' To Sizzler! We Goin' To Sizzler!"

I prefer to go to pre-chewed Charlie's.

Gravy pipe? Deep fried whole pumpkins?

"It's wafer-thin, monsieur."

Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

Yeah...no. I'd rather eat at home or have some sushi.

/Lap-Band
//hit 75 lbs lost in 18 months 9/15
///on my second round of Insanity with Hip Hop Abs
////doing my first 5k next month

Sort of like all-you-can't-eat.

dittybopper:
Sweet Potatoes
Timberline Chili
Yeast Rolls
50+ Toppings on our Fresh Cold Salad Bar



I think the yeast rolls are on their customers, not on the menu.

As a person who has a gastric bypass, this is an interesting article.

The closest restaurant to my house is a Golden Corral, and my family and I used to eat there about once a month or so. I haven't gone since my bypass earlier this year, I saw no point in paying $11 or so for "all you can eat" when all I can eat is about 5-6 ounces of anything.

Literally.

If I eat more than that (it's happened twice), I double over in pain.

I've dropped 65 pounds in 4 months post-op, and I'll probably lose another 40 or so before I level off.

Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

Never used it but my doctor gave me one when I had my surgery in 2002.

If I used it, it was supposed to have me get charged as a kid or senior as opposed to the full adult price. Like I said never used it.

/10 years in
//still within +/- 10lbs of my goal weight
///200lbs gone

the fark?

dittybopper: Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

Not necessarily. Here is their everyday menu:

Everyday Menu Items
Assorted Steamed Vegetables
Awesome Pot Roast
Baked Potatoes
Banana Pudding
Bourbon Street Chicken
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrot Cake
Carrots
Cauliflower
Chocolate Cake w/ Chocolate Frosting
Clam Chowder
Coleslaw
Corn
Fresh fruit
Fried Chicken
Fudgy Brownies
Green Beans
Greens
Grilled-to-order USDA Sirloin Steaks (*dinner only)
Macaroni & Cheese
Macaroni Salad
Mashed Potatoes & Gravy
Meatloaf
No Sugar Added Chocolate Pudding
Pizza
Potato Salad
Rotisserie Chicken
Seafood Salad
Soft Serve Ice Cream
Spaghetti
Sugar Free Red Gelatin
Sweet Potatoes
Timberline Chili
Yeast Rolls
50+ Toppings on our Fresh Cold Salad Bar

I bolded everything that is pretty much unequivocally healthy food, and yes that includes grilled red meat. You could eat "Lean and Green" at a Golden Corral quite easily. 

/Gave half-credit for the fresh cold salad bar, as some of it probably is good, and some bad.

Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

Mark Ratner: Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

You sound fat.

/yeah I called you fat, look at me I'm skinny

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


I'm not saying the individual is blameless in all of this, but nutritional education in North America is farking brutal. For decades, the concept that refined flours are good for us was drilled in, that low calories are all that count, that eating fat is bad, that fruit juice is healthy.

We're seeing the effects of that now. HFCS was king for a good long stretch, and it's showing. Diabetes is on the rise, obesity is everywhere.

It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.


All three of these things are driven by the brain, hard to combat, but only one is considered 'acceptable'
"Hey exhausted guy, quit falling asleep"
"Hey Alcoholic, quit drinking, you lush".
"Hey Obese guy, quit eating so much".

When did the bar get lowered this much?

Oh, and there is this thing called a doggie-bag. Personally I like having a day our two worth of leftovers. Makes the restaurants' prices almost worth it.

vernonFL: Sizzler? What is this, 1987?

So, House of Pancakes instead?

carrion_luggage: Sort of like all-you-can't-eat.

Yes. Because too many Americans took a Challenge Accepted attitude to that, and it hurts the restaurants' bottom lines.

"You here FOUR HOUR!! Why you here four hour?! You scare my wife!! You reave now! You go!!"

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

For all the advertising about how Alli helps you lose weight by blocking the absorption of some calories, the main mechanism is training people to eat less fat because those unabsorbed fats generate mild-Olestra symptoms. In the end, the answer is always teaching people to eat differently, it's just about how extreme a mechanism they need.

I have a csb. Back in my teen years I worked at the local Golden Corral. Some lady wanted to pay the children's price because she had had the gastric bypass and couldn't eat as much as a normal adult. She had a doctor's note and everything. I told her no, but would get my manager to speak to her. She vowed to never enter that restaurant again.

NowhereMon: That's like giving an alcoholic free drinks in exchange for their AA medallions. Which a bar in here in Minneapolis did back in the day, they had a wall full of them.


Wow...

That's some evil shiat... like "if Satan ran a bar" evil. I see Al Pacino pouring glowing amber shots in glistening glasses and chewing up the scenery shouting "Come on, fellas... I know you're thirsty. Drinks are on me. Don't fear it, master it... or ain't ya got no spine?"

all according to plan

dittybopper: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

Rotisserie chicken isn't that bad. It's just roasted. It's *FRIED* chicken that will kill you.

Well, it's not alfredo but compared to a grilled chicken breast, yes it is. If you''re choosing it for health reasons, just have a steak.

busy chillin': Mark Ratner: Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

You sound fat.

/yeah I called you fat, look at me I'm skinny

But has it ever stopped you from getting busy?

Amy78: I have a csb. Back in my teen years I worked at the local Golden Corral. Some lady wanted to pay the children's price because she had had the gastric bypass and couldn't eat as much as a normal adult. She had a doctor's note and everything. I told her no, but would get my manager to speak to her. She vowed to never enter that restaurant again.

If she kept her vow you may saved her life

Is this the thread where I come in and tell the fatties to put down the fork and practice personal responsibility? If so, I love these type of threads!

So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

sigdiamond2000: This article is further proof that the once noble American Experiment has failed, and serves as a reminder that I need to get my Canadian citizenship documents in order.

Actually, it proved it was a success, but this is the decline of things. Everything in this world, even abstract constructs, are subject to entropy, and in this case, Social Entropy. It's only natural that the 'American dream' we used to know no longer exists, now being replaced by a new one, and in a few generations this one will cease to exist only to be replaced by another social construct.

big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

You sound Portlandian.

Amy78: I have a csb. Back in my teen years I worked at the local Golden Corral. Some lady wanted to pay the children's price because she had had the gastric bypass and couldn't eat as much as a normal adult. She had a doctor's note and everything. I told her no, but would get my manager to speak to her. She vowed to never enter that restaurant again.

I love customers like that. I'm sure you were ready to close down shop, because she wouldn't dine there

/Worked Customer Service for 15+ years and have heard it all

fireclown: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

You sound Portlandian.

I always heard that if you boil vegetables, you kill what's nutritious of them. That it's best to eat them raw (clean, of course), and with no dressing whatsoever.

Yawn....wake me when bars offer discounts for guys on waiting list for liver transplant.

Obama4Life: Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Too easy. I mean, that's part of the answer, but it's too easy to say "Just go be thin". You're fighting society, your own brain, your predisposition to carbs (in essence, your brain).

I don't think the answer is legislation, but some independent nutritional research would be a good start. Tim Ferriss is launching something to that effect, which is promising.

CheetahOlivetti: mysticcat: So you have to have a note from your doctor to get a meal with a reasonable portion size?

Yes, sadly. At some restaurants. I realize that I'm leaving myself open for all sorts of abuse, but I've had RNY gastric bypass (and I don't regret it one bit -- 100 pounds lighter and a marathon runner these days. There's more to the story, but that's the quick version.).

Applebees does have a Weight Watchers menu with reasonable sizes, but what I usually do is just order what I actually want to eat, eat about 1/3, and my naturally skinny husband does his best to take up my slack.

I could get a card from my doc, but I don't eat out that often. And kids' menu items are usually horribly unhealthy anyway, so I don't see the point in using a card to order kid food.

On my phone, want to edit out all but the last paragraph but can't.. Came here to say this this this.

We either split an adult meal or ordered my daughter food from the ala carte menu if the restaurant would not serve her smaller portions of the adult menu. The children's menu at most places offer a corndog, a hamburger or breaded and deep fried fish parts. Or you could order some breakfast items, pancakes or scrambled eggs (many do not give you a written choice for other styles). A lot of places put junk on the panckaes, like whipped cream and even chocolate sauce.

Those foods, for a growing child.. yuck! For a bypass patient? Seems like all that grease and fat would be very uncomfortable to digest.

Btw, grats on your success! Nice to hear of a good outcome.

technicolor-misfit: NowhereMon: That's like giving an alcoholic free drinks in exchange for their AA medallions. Which a bar in here in Minneapolis did back in the day, they had a wall full of them.
Wow...That's some evil shiat... like "if Satan ran a bar" evil. I see Al Pacino pouring glowing amber shots in glistening glasses and chewing up the scenery shouting "Come on, fellas... I know you're thirsty. Drinks are on me. Don't fear it, master it... or ain't ya got no spine?"

Minneapolis. And when they become incapacitated, the bar just rolls them out in the snow to freeze to death. Take bets on when they stop breathing. Hahaahaha. Stupid alcoholics.

BolshyGreatYarblocks: You here FOUR HOUR!! Why you here four hour?! You scare my wife!! You reave now! You go!!"

You so beeeg! Why you eat spare rib? EAT VEGETABLE!

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

Can't agree with the bolded part. I've seen quite a few failures in the ER and ICU.

WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?
Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?
Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

I don't feel hungry about 95% of the time after I eat. That's a huge improvement (pun intended).

The only frustration is being unable to eat AND drink at the same time...I have to wait 20 minutes after eating to drink anything, minimum. It's a re-learning process.

Interestingly, I really get annoyed/frustrated now that tailgating season is here, I feel the urge to gorge watching games and can't do that anymore.

Hebalo: Obama4Life: Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Too easy. I mean, that's part of the answer, but it's too easy to say "Just go be thin". You're fighting society, your own brain, your predisposition to carbs (in essence, your brain).

I don't think the answer is legislation, but some independent nutritional research would be a good start. Tim Ferriss is launching something to that effect, which is promising.

Oh I agree with that totally, and wish the schools would start to teach 'nutritional education' as a course (and I'm not just talking Home EC)

CygnusDarius: fireclown: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

You sound Portlandian.

I always heard that if you boil vegetables, you kill what's nutritious of them. That it's best to eat them raw (clean, of course), and with no dressing whatsoever.

That sounds horrifying!

CSB:

I know a guy who is an eating machine. I only see him at a Christmas dinner, where there is a lot of food. I don't think his arms ever stopped moving from table to mouth (except to put on the Santa suit for the wee ones). He wanted to get gastric bypass, but wouldn't go in for the mandatory counseling, and he was rejected. So he got a lap-band instead ( I guess the requirements are less stringent, or his doctor's name was Nick Riviera.)

I saw him the next Christmas. Still the same size. His arms were still moving, cramming food into his figgy-pudding-hole just like always, although I noticed a bead of sweat rolling down his temple. He was fighting that band with everything he had. I could just picture the tension on that lap-band, on the verge of snapping quite audibly to everyone in the room.

It was fascinating to watch his resolve to enjoy every morsel in the room.

/eat less, exercise more.
//worked for me.
///75lbs gone, running my second marathon next week.

I know we at Fark jump at the chance to make fun of the fatties, but the article makes clear that the discount card is for people who can't or don't want to eat a ton of food at all-you-can-eat-type places. So I don't see the problem. (shrug)

Don't you have a gym to get to, submitter?

Rogers says it's OK for patients to use the WLS card and splurge at the buffet every once in a while, and the card also encourages them to order smaller meals at other restaurants.

No, it encourages their fat asses to keep going to the discount buffet.

Bulimia would be a better course for these people.

CygnusDarius: fireclown: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

You sound Portlandian.

I always heard that if you boil vegetables, you kill what's nutritious of them. That it's best to eat them raw (clean, of course), and with no dressing whatsoever.

Yes, cooking stuff has completely removed all the nutrition. That's why the human race died out long ago.

Medic Zero: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

Can't agree with the bolded part. I've seen quite a few failures in the ER and ICU.


What kind of failures? Infections? or ruptures from gorging?

kiwimoogle84: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I know we at Fark jump at the chance to make fun of the fatties, but the article makes clear that the discount card is for people who can't or don't want to eat a ton of food at all-you-can-eat-type places. So I don't see the problem. (shrug)

Don't you have a gym to get to, submitter?

But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

I dunno. Maybe other family member just HAVE to go to Golden Corral or wherever. I think it's like accompanying an alcoholic to a bar so he/she can drink soda all night, but then, I try to be logical. Not everybody can be super-awesome like me.

These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Ride your bike an hour a day/4-5 days a week.
No fast food.
No sodas (except after a pounding 1.5 hour ride)
Don't eat pre-prepared food.

There. Problem solved.

ScottRiqui: busy chillin': Mark Ratner: Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

You sound fat.

/yeah I called you fat, look at me I'm skinny

But has it ever stopped you from getting busy?

Nope. I'm a freak
I like the girls with the boom
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom

kiwimoogle84: But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

We have families, for one thing. Families like to do stuff together like eat out, and we sometimes let the kids pick the restaurant.

And I invite you to try and "split plates" at a buffet sometime. Let us know how that works for you.

FTFA: "Even "all-you-can-eat" buffet restaurant Golden Corral provides a discounted buffet price upon seeing a proof-of-surgery card in some locations."

If you got a bypass surgery..., what in the world is taking you back to Golden Corral, where you got that big fat ass, to begin with???

Lack of responsibility of the consequences of your own acts. In a nutshell, that's the problem with society nowadays...

dittybopper: Greens
I bolded everything that is pretty much unequivocally healthy food, and yes that includes grilled red meat. You could eat "Lean and Green" at a Golden Corral quite easily. 



I see you're not from the south. Greens = regular collard or kale greens, cooked with fat back, and then somothered in vinegar and salt/pepper.

It was healthy before it was cooked, now....not so much

The trick with the gastric bypass is to train yourself ahead of the surgery for three months, gradually reducing your portions to what you'll be forced to eating after the surgery. Then don't have the surgery.

RobDownSouth: kiwimoogle84: But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

We have families, for one thing. Families like to do stuff together like eat out, and we sometimes let the kids pick the restaurant.

Tell them no buffets, because they're bad for daddy. Don't ever blame your kids for anything, you're in charge.

Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Insurance didn't pay for my bypass. I paid for it myself. Did a bit of medical tourism down to Tijuana Mexico, paid $4500 and spent 3 days recuperating.

Insurance nowadays rarely covers gastric surgery, fark you very much.

"Bring me my ranch dressing hose!"

This just highlights the fact that the restaurant industry in America - not just fast food even - is largely responsible for obesity in America. We've been trained to demand quantity instead of quality. To get a normal portion for a lower price, you have to have a note from your doctor.

My csb..

When I was young, I was too thin. Not by choice, I ate evrything in sight and then some. I could eat two macho burritos from Del Taco, made boyfriends jealous, made women say I must be purging. After I had my first child, I lost the weight immediately (had gained over 65lbs), same with the second.

Had a third child in my 30s, metabolism slowed down, had a lot of medical issues. I didn't gain weight well with her, but developed diabetes, dr said that may have saved the little one's life, more nutrition for her.

Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Reason I post this.. I have been on both sides of this issue and know it isn't as simple as a lot of people believe. Putting down the fork is not everyone's problem, even if it is some people's. We come in all shapes and sizes, we all have different metabolisms. Eating the exact same amount I did when I was in my early 30s would have me tipping the "omg, let's cut out the wall to get her out of the house" scale.

And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.

/yes, I sound fat.
//doesn't eat at all you can eat places because I don't eat enough to justify the cost.

HotWingConspiracy: RobDownSouth: kiwimoogle84: But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

We have families, for one thing. Families like to do stuff together like eat out, and we sometimes let the kids pick the restaurant.

Tell them no buffets, because they're bad for daddy. Don't ever blame your kids for anything, you're in charge.

I'm not blaming my kids for anything. And truthfully, the bottom line is we're talking about a $2 discount here.

RobDownSouth: As a person who has a gastric bypass, this is an interesting article.

The closest restaurant to my house is a Golden Corral, and my family and I used to eat there about once a month or so. I haven't gone since my bypass earlier this year, I saw no point in paying $11 or so for "all you can eat" when all I can eat is about 5-6 ounces of anything.

Literally.

If I eat more than that (it's happened twice), I double over in pain.

I've dropped 65 pounds in 4 months post-op, and I'll probably lose another 40 or so before I level off.

Good for you, man.

i seriously need to get into the fatty business

/recession proof

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

Completely full.

Here is how. When you get full your stomach send a message to the brain, most ignore it "to clean your plate", hence overeating. With half a stomach, you still get the signal and you cannot overeat because there are consequences if you do. You do retrain yourself to stop when you are told to.

As far as that one post about never going to a buffet, I still have a family that likes to go to one or two now and again. Why punish them? No, they are not fatties like I was

Sizzler is the Domino's of steak houses.

CheetahOlivetti: The memory of how horrible dumping syndrome is keeps me from overdoing it.

What is "dumping syndrome"?

Piizzadude: WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

Completely full.

Here is how. When you get full your stomach send a message to the brain, most ignore it "to clean your plate", hence overeating. With half a stomach, you still get the signal and you cannot overeat because there are consequences if you do. You do retrain yourself to stop when you are told to.

As far as that one post about never going to a buffet, I still have a family that likes to go to one or two now and again. Why punish them? No, they are not fatties like I was

So, are you saying that if someone stood over you and smacked your hand with a ruler every time you took a bite, you might be able to retrain yourself?

Just asking.. thinking of a fetish/diet business idea. Hmmmm...

WeenerGord: Medic Zero: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

Can't agree with the bolded part. I've seen quite a few failures in the ER and ICU.


What kind of failures? Infections? or ruptures from gorging?

My friend's mother died from complications from bypass surgery. Can't remember what exactly, but was surgery related, not gorging related.

Not such a csb

Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Coming from you, that is a compliment, Siri post that for you?

protectyourlimbs: Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

HEY!

Leaving satisfied!

/burp

WeenerGord: CheetahOlivetti: The memory of how horrible dumping syndrome is keeps me from overdoing it.

What is "dumping syndrome"?

There are 2 kinds. Well for me there was.

Eating too much sugar caused and issue at one end, and eating too much caused me to throw up. Took awhile to learn new boundaries.

Piizzadude: Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Coming from you, that is a compliment, Siri post that for you?

Wouldn't it be cheaper and less risky to just pay someone to punch you in the gut every time you ate too much?

kiwimoogle84: I'm almost 30. Mr kiwi is 40. And yes that's true, but I blame bad parenting. If a kid never tasted fries, he wouldn't throw a tantrum until Mummy gave in and got them for him. My mother wouldn't let us have dessert unless we are an EXTRA helping of veggies at dinner. We had to eat one anyway. If we wanted the reward, we had to make up for it.

The only issue with this course of action is it firmly establishes vegetables as "the stuff you have to eat to get the stuff you actually want." Which means the moment you have freedom, you go "fark the vegetables, I don't have to eat them now." The amount of time it took me to realize I actually LIKE vegetables is a bit embarrassing; I was just used to viewing them as an obstacle.

WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

I had the surgery that was popular back in '89. It was called gastric segmentation at the time, and its similar to the lap band but not adjustable. I started at 428lbs, and fairly quickly lost down to 230lbs. The doc said I'd likely never get below 250 due to my frame/metabolism etc.

The simple answer to your question is, sometimes you do still feel hungry. Yes, sometimes its quite frustrating when your body is telling you that you need food and you can't eat it. Satisfied isn't the word I would use, even when I felt full. It was more like "If I eat anything else I'm going to puke." I liken it to surgically induced bulimia unless you eat the small portions.

Here's the scarier part. Eventually, your body will adjust. You'll stop losing, you'll be able to eat more than you did originally, and lo and behold, the weight starts to come back. As a result, in 2008 or so I was back up to 380lbs or so. After I saw it getting out of hand again, I decided to take a more healthy approach and start using the Weight Watcher points system, as well as add a regular walking schedule. The crazy thing is that because my surgery still affects how I can eat, I had to really work towards eating what Weight Watchers told me was my normal daily intake. After the first 2 weeks, I had actually gained a couple of pounds. I dropped my points to what my much thinner wife was allotted and started slowly loosing again.

I guess the bottom line is that you do have to change your habits. The surgeries are a quick (and sometimes dangerous) fix, and only a tool for initial weight loss. Your body is more adaptive than you can imagine. I don't know anyone who had the surgery that lost it and kept everything off without a serious lifestyle change. Even then, its rare in my experience.

Best of luck to the former fatty marathon running farkers who have had success with the surgery. I do hope for the best for you and all those struggling with being healthy.

Nick Nostril: Gravy pipe? Deep fried whole pumpkins?

Thank you for this post.

Marisyana: Pizza. Chips. Cake. Cookies. Candy. Potatoes

Potatoes are actually pretty healthy, if you don't drown them in butter and gravy

MikeyistheDevil: I guess the bottom line is that you do have to change your habits. The surgeries are a quick (and sometimes dangerous) fix, and only a tool for initial weight loss. Your body is more adaptive than you can imagine. I don't know anyone who had the surgery that lost it and kept everything off without a serious lifestyle change. Even then, its rare in my experience.

This! It is only a tool. You can eat through it. You can end up with a full stomach and a half.

i was never a fan of the lap band. It is safer, but far less effective.

WeenerGord: Marisyana: Pizza. Chips. Cake. Cookies. Candy. Potatoes

Potatoes are actually pretty healthy, if you don't drown them in butter and gravy

Unless you're big and fat and have diabeetus. Then they're poison.

Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

THIS

I always feel like I am getting ripped off at buffets to cover for the gorging fat asses, so I don't go...(except maybe a decent Chinese buffet where I can get carry out and parlay two or three meals out of it).

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

I thought this was a net positive for health insurance because most of these people do lose weight and don't get the weight-related diseases later in life?

Nope. It causes them to live longer. Everyone dies but if you do it sooner less money is spent delaying it.

Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


I'm not saying the individual is blameless in all of this, but nutritional education in North America is farking brutal. For decades, the concept that refined flours are good for us was drilled in, that low calories are all that count, that eating fat is bad, that fruit juice is healthy.

We're seeing the effects of that now. HFCS was king for a good long stretch, and it's showing. Diabetes is on the rise, obesity is everywhere.

It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.


All three of these things are driven by the brain, hard to combat, but only one is considered 'acceptable'
"Hey exhausted guy, quit falling asleep"
"Hey Alcoholic, quit drinking, you lush".
"Hey Obese guy, quit eating so much".

Looking back, I see that my post was probably more trollish than I had intended.

Except in extreme cases - I'm all about the ends (not the means). I think we can all agree there are unfortunate downsides to being obese and I'm happy whenever someone who doesn't want to be obese manages to not be obese. If it means surgery - cool (ignoring things like who pays for it - that's another debate).

But, I actually find all three of your statements to be perfectly acceptable. If I'm at work and some sleepy guy keeps trying to go to sleep, I would tell him 'Hey - stop that'. And if someone drinks too much, I think 'drinking less' really is the key.

kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

For everyone wondering where their discount is for being thin, here you go;

It's 50% off your tab.

Order one meal, split it with your companion. That's what Mrs. Tanvulva and I do.

2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again

Beanlet: Had a third child in my 30s, metabolism slowed down, had a lot of medical issues.

Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Reason I post this.. I have been on both sides of this issue and know it isn't as simple as a lot of people believe. Putting down the fork is not everyone's problem, even if it is some people's. We come in all shapes and sizes, we all have different metabolisms. Eating the exact same amount I did when I was in my early 30s would have me tipping the "omg, let's cut out the wall to get her out of the house" scale.

And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.


Not to be a prick but it sounds like you are contradicting yourself here. Sounds like if you COULD put down the fork it WOULD solve your problem. Yes, it can be difficult to discover in middle age that you can't eat like you used to when your metabolism was different. Welcome to the club, you are not the first person this has happened to. It's difficult for most of them, that's why some resort to surgery. The end result of the surgery is simply to force them to put down the fork. Of course more exercise and vegetables is also an option.

Don't call someone a judgmental prick for telling you the truth that you have not yet been able to accept about yourself. Someone could just as easily call you a stuck up arttention whore for bragging about how skinny you used to be, and comparing yourself to "marilyn monroe"

Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again



I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!

I can never finish restaurant-sized portions of food, and sometimes it's just not practical to take half of it home (like, if I'm not going straight home afterward, leaving the food to sit in my car for hours). Why can't I pay less for a smaller sized portion that I can actually eat? Where's my incentive to continue eating right?

Instead of having special children's or senior's menus (or gastric bypass discounts), restaurants should have a "small portions" section of their menu, or offer smaller servings of regular menu items (when they're practical to downsize). I've occasionally seen restaurants offer "half size" pastas and salads, but only charge like $1 less and still too much food goes to waste.

2KanZam: Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again



I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!

In some cases, yes. With the surgery I had, there was a condition called "band migration" where your stomach would literally grow over the band, and push it inside. Usually passing harmlessly though your digestive system, but leaving your stomach like it was to begin with.

2KanZam: Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???

As someone one up the line said, your body adapts. Yes, you can re-stretch it back to normal+ size. You cannot just bust it out, but stretch it out a little at a time. Within 6 months you can go from the size of an egg to the size of your fist

Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again



I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!

Nope it stretches back out. It is a gradual process and one you have to be aware of. Overeating once won't cause an issue, overeating all the time will.

KierzanDax: "We Goin' To Sizzler! We Goin' To Sizzler!"

"Shut your anorexic, malnutrition, tapeworm-havin, overdosed on Dick Gregory diet drinkin' @$$ up!"

Oh also, if you eat "empty" calories you can put the weight on without even stretching the stomach back out.

Rule 1: Protien
Rule 2: veggies
Rule 3: Your full stop now

They should be forced to pay the same as everyone else. You know... to make up for all that time they were being undercharged as a fatty.

MikeyistheDevil:

In some cases, yes. With the surgery I had, there was a condition called "band migration" where your stomach would literally grow over the band, and push it inside. Usually passing harmlessly though your digestive system, but leaving your stomach like it was to begin with.

ew.

I'm not easily shuddery/creeped out, but I'm shuddery creeped out by that......

TNel: Reminds me of Shady Maple Smorgasbord's discounts:

Senior Discounts
Age 90 & Up = 50% discount off regular adult meal price.
Age 60 - 89 = 10% discount off regular adult meal price.

Gastric Bypass Surgery Policy
Year #1 - 50% off base price.
Year #2 - 10% off base price.
Year #3 - 0% off base price.
Incomplete Documentation - 0% off base price.
To receive the reduced price you must provide the following documentation!
Photo ID
Gastric Bypass Card with Patient Name and Date Of Original Surgery.


Was about to post this..first time I went there and saw this, I thought it was a joke.
\This place is the shiat, probably one of the best buffets in the country, but you can tell some things are starting to go downhill (still 50x better than a Golden Corral though)
\It's in bumblefark, PA (near Lancaster) so only get over there once or twice a year or so.

The simplest way to lose weight is burn more calories than you take in. It's tough though, because many times if you're not used to a "normal calorie diet", you find yourself hungry throughout the day. Simple remedy? Drink a little water when you're feeling hungry, many times hunger pangs are a sign that your body just needs hydration. I've lost 30 pounds this year just by watching what I eat and very light exercise, about 5-8 minutes every morning.

Gastric Bypass patient here - 4 years ago, 80 lbs total kept off. It was a lifesaver.

I will on occasion go to buffets for the variety now, even though I certainly can't come close to making it worth the money. When I see the amount that I eat now and compare it to the amount that my skinniest friends eat, I now realize that the only reason 100% of Americans aren't morbidly obese is just some freak of genetics. It isn't the fat people that are abnormal - it's the skinny ones that somehow eat what they do and aren't obese.

I didn't get one of these cards, but it might be worthwhile just to avoid wasting the amount of food that I end up throwing away.

CheetahOlivetti: mysticcat: So you have to have a note from your doctor to get a meal with a reasonable portion size?

Yes, sadly. At some restaurants. I realize that I'm leaving myself open for all sorts of abuse, but I've had RNY gastric bypass (and I don't regret it one bit -- 100 pounds lighter and a marathon runner these days. There's more to the story, but that's the quick version.).

Applebees does have a Weight Watchers menu with reasonable sizes, but what I usually do is just order what I actually want to eat, eat about 1/3, and my naturally skinny husband does his best to take up my slack.

I could get a card from my doc, but I don't eat out that often. And kids' menu items are usually horribly unhealthy anyway, so I don't see the point in using a card to order kid food.

Are you an actual marathon runner or just one of those people who goes out and pretty much just walks it in about 6 hours?

The Houston Marathon has become over-run with those people.

NCg8r: tapeworm-havin

I bet if most people did the 3 following things, they'd find themselves losing weight gradually and in a healthy manner without being hungry:

1) Eat mostly protein, vegetables, and fruit. As a friend of mine who was a personal trainer commented, "if it comes in a bag or a box, don't eat it."

2) Exercise moderately to vigorously 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes.

3) Eat smaller meals, snack on something every 2-3 hours, and don't eat ANYTHING after dinner (or ~3 hours before bed). It's called break-FAST for a reason - you should be fasting for ~12 hours a day, with 8 of them being when you're asleep.

That's it. No need to blame your metabolism, count calories, or engage in yo-yo dieting. I've lost ~35 lbs in the last year by doing these three things, and I don't feel like I'm depriving myself of anything. I actually allow myself to eat ANYTHING I want all day on Satudays.

Beanlet: I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Women's clothing sizes were different back then.

Marilyn would be about a size 6 in today's clothing sizes.

Fat chicks do themselves no justice and sound ridiculous when they try to say that they've got the same body as Marilyn Monroe.

CheetahOlivetti: If you're faster than that, you shouldn't be bothered by us. We're way in the back anyway, so what do you care?

Y'all take up limited slots that could be used by actual runners.

I wish the Houston Marathon required qualifying times in other, smaller marathons like other major cities.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.

Why? For suggsting that people are responsible for their own actions?

Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

Hey, listen, seeing as how you're perfect, could you please, like, cure some cancer or something? I'm just sayin'.

South Park is looking more and more like a docudrama.

sigdiamond2000: This article is further proof that the once noble American Experiment has failed, and serves as a reminder that I need to get my Canadian citizenship documents in order.

big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

A chicken is horrifying?

Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.

Why? For suggsting that people are responsible for their own actions?

Oooh man, this thread is just full of people who are perfect. I mean absolutely PERFECT. Never do anything at all wrong, ever. I mean, DAMN, I never knew so many of you existed!

Kit Fister: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

A chicken is horrifying?

A chicken doesn't even need a head to live, and how it was raised is, in any case, irrelevant to its nutritional content.

kiwimoogle84: SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: If you're faster than that, you shouldn't be bothered by us. We're way in the back anyway, so what do you care?

Y'all take up limited slots that could be used by actual runners.

I wish the Houston Marathon required qualifying times in other, smaller marathons like other major cities.

Wow. Shouldn't you be proud of them for putting in the effort? Not everyone can run 26 miles and not break a sweat like you apparently can. And running marathons don't mean much when you do it once a month, dude, so why do you deserve that slot more than another? Someone has to come in last, and it's not a race, so really- why do you care?

proof that anyone can be a snob/dick/douchebag about anything

busy chillin': Mark Ratner: Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

You sound fat.

/yeah I called you fat, look at me I'm skinny

does it stop you from getting busy?

dittybopper: Not necessarily. Here is their everyday menu:

You left off brussels sprouts. They serve the best in town at the Corrals around these parts.

/maybe they only serve them on weekends, but they seem to be there whenever I go.

Kit Fister: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

A chicken is horrifying?

ScottRiqui: busy chillin': Mark Ratner: Hagbardr: Where is my discount for being rail thin and usually only able to finish half a regular restaurant portion?

They don't give out to discount cards to anorexic people.

/yeah, sure you have a high metabolism

You sound fat.

/yeah I called you fat, look at me I'm skinny

But has it ever stopped you from getting busy?

/shakes tiny impotent fist!

gretzkyscores: I bet if most people did the 3 following things, they'd find themselves losing weight gradually and in a healthy manner without being hungry:

1) Eat mostly protein, vegetables, and fruit. As a friend of mine who was a personal trainer commented, "if it comes in a bag or a box, don't eat it."

2) Exercise moderately to vigorously 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes.

3) Eat smaller meals, snack on something every 2-3 hours, and don't eat ANYTHING after dinner (or ~3 hours before bed). It's called break-FAST for a reason - you should be fasting for ~12 hours a day, with 8 of them being when you're asleep.

That's it. No need to blame your metabolism, count calories, or engage in yo-yo dieting. I've lost ~35 lbs in the last year by doing these three things, and I don't feel like I'm depriving myself of anything. I actually allow myself to eat ANYTHING I want all day on Satudays.

You're essentially on a low (or slow) carb diet. Of course you're going to lose weight.

I did the same thing, minus the excerise, 40lbs in 5 months. Limit or eliminate refined sugars, bread, etc, and you pretty much can't help but lose weight.

CapeFearCadaver: Beanlet: And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.

I'm in my mid-thirties; had always been (from 12yo on) a size 6-8 with nice curves to match, as soon as I hit 30yo I lost 25 pounds out of nowhere and now size 4s are a bit too comfy. My mother and older sisters did the same thing.

We're all different.

I hope you saw that I said exactly that in the part of my post that you didn't quote.

kiwimoogle84: but morbid obesity is very different from your run of the mill weight problem. I'm a few pounds heavy myself, but my choice to not eat fast food for breakfast every day helps a lot. It is really hard to get THAT fat, and takes a long time.

So let's stop dwelling on how it happened, can the name calling? The point being that it HAPPENS, and to a LOT of people these days. I never reached epic proportions, but when I started closing in on 230 (5'10), and hitting the gym was doing little or nothing, I decided to make the change.

If someone had explained the Insulinemic response to me 10 years ago, none of this would have been an issue. Now I know, and can lose weight when I choose.

Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...

Mitch Taylor's Bro: SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: If you're faster than that, you shouldn't be bothered by us. We're way in the back anyway, so what do you care?

Y'all take up limited slots that could be used by actual runners.

I wish the Houston Marathon required qualifying times in other, smaller marathons like other major cities.

Houston isn't a major city.

i lolled

For those gals trying to compare themselves to Marilyn, here's a pretty good article...

For The Last Time: What Size Was Marilyn Monroe?

FTFA: Bust: 35-37 inches Waist: 22-23 inches Hips: 35-36 inches. In other words, whatever her size, her figure was an unusually dramatic hour-glass, which makes it kind of strange for women to compare themselves to her anyway. The better question is, why do we care? And what we're really talking about is not Marilyn Monroe's dress size: it's her sexiness. Marilyn Monroe was an icon, not of fashion, but of sexiness: a combination of her beauty, her obvious comfort with her physicality, her intelligence, and her vulnerability. Her dress size does not explain this, or give us a clue: she is iconic because she was unique, and no amount of arguing is going to change that.

So if you are chubby and want to look like her, better start corset training. Personality is another issue. Real life is not like the movies so we can't all expect ourselves to live like we are in a scripted tv or movie drama all the time. Those characters are made up by script writers.

Kit Fister: proof that anyone can be a snob/dick/douchebag about anything

Pretty common with the "Oh fatties are so stupid, everyone should be skinny like me!" crowd. People who are real proud and in your face about their weight are often that way because they've got nothing else going for them. Hence they get snobbish about things like running a marathon or the like. Despite their claim that everyone should be thin they don't actually want that because they like it as something they can brag on.

CheetahOlivetti: SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: If you're faster than that, you shouldn't be bothered by us. We're way in the back anyway, so what do you care?

Y'all take up limited slots that could be used by actual runners.

I wish the Houston Marathon required qualifying times in other, smaller marathons like other major cities.

I am actually running, so that makes me an actual runner.

I'm not a professional level runner, and I probably never will be, but I love running, and I love the camaraderie of racing, even though I suck at it. Also, I'm running in the RnR Arizona marathon. I don't think they've ever run out of space for us slow-asses.

I always check the cut-off times before I register for a race, and I don't register for one where I'll end up being kicked out for being too slow. I'd like to run the Whiskey Row Marathon next year, I won't register until I know I can stay well ahead of the cut-off pace, especially considering that it's a hilly and difficult course.

Don't let the D-bags get you down. Running a marathon, no matter how slow, is a MAJOR accomplishement. Be proud and keep running. Soon enough you may not be running with the Kenyans, but you won't be worrying about the cut-off time either.

/mid-packer.

ftfa: Every year, hundreds of thousands of Americans turn to stomach-shrinking bariatric procedures, hoping for extreme weight loss.

Really, HUNDREDS of thousands ? per year ? OK. so we are at what 25% of the population by now ?

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: Every year, hundreds of thousands of Americans turn to stomach-shrinking bariatric procedures, hoping for extreme weight loss.

Really, HUNDREDS of thousands ? per year ? OK. so we are at what 25% of the population by now ?

Not sure if serious....

25% of US population would be about 75 million

also ftfa: retain their lost weight about 70 percent of the time

I thought the whole point was that it was physically impossible to eat enough to stay/get fat so you had to lose weight and keep it off. are these people int eh 30% failure crowd just eating nonstop all day and night or taking calorie IV or something ?

Going to an all-you-can-eat buffet after a gastric bypass is like going to an open bar after your Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

technicolor-misfit: NowhereMon: That's like giving an alcoholic free drinks in exchange for their AA medallions. Which a bar in here in Minneapolis did back in the day, they had a wall full of them.


Wow...

That's some evil shiat... like "if Satan ran a bar" evil. I see Al Pacino pouring glowing amber shots in glistening glasses and chewing up the scenery shouting "Come on, fellas... I know you're thirsty. Drinks are on me. Don't fear it, master it... or ain't ya got no spine?"

Moby Dicks was its name. This is the stuff of legend, and it may well be only that. But I heard it from so many people that it is plausible.

kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

SchlingFocker: Beanlet: I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Women's clothing sizes were different back then.

Marilyn would be about a size 6 in today's clothing sizes.

Fat chicks do themselves no justice and sound ridiculous when they try to say that they've got the same body as Marilyn Monroe.

I apologize, I got the size wrong, I should have looked it up before mentioning her here. Marilyn was today's equivalent of a size 10. So I am a lard ass, you are right, do your little victory dance. http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.asp (I don't know how to do links here, even after all these years)

The point was that by today's standads, she would be considered too fat to be famous. People would be telling her to put down the farking fork every chance they got. She was a full-figured girl, in case you haven't ever seen her in films or pictures. Same with Jane Russell. They were both perfectly fine in the day, people thought they were both extremely beautiful and women wanted to have bodies just like them.  Today, people point fingers at women the same sizes and say they need to drop down to a size 6 to be pretty.

big pig peaches: dittybopper: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

Rotisserie chicken isn't that bad. It's just roasted. It's *FRIED* chicken that will kill you.

Well, it's not alfredo but compared to a grilled chicken breast, yes it is. If you''re choosing it for health reasons, just have a steak.

ummm, all the excess fat and liquid drips of the rotisserie as it spins, that's the entire point. it is like grilling except it rotates. in fact grilling can leave pools of fat on top unless you flip it. so i don't see how rotisserie is not the absolute healthiest way to cook a chicken. unless you think we should eat no fat whatsoever and only skinless is OK, but that would be wrong.

CapeFearCadaver: Beanlet: I hope you saw that I said exactly that in the part of my post that you didn't quote.

Why ask that? Were you wanting an argument, or something?

I was curious if you saw that part. You quoted one part and said the same thing I said in another part, like you were making a new point. I have no clue why you think I'd want to start an argument. I do honestly hope that you saw that I said what you said.. after I said.. what I said.. I did, you know..

/yikes

It actually doesn't seem unreasonable. Although, there are a lot of people who probably don't get as much value out of an all-you-can-eat buffet as the average person. I can't eat much at once, so I get a to-go box at the Indian buffet I go to and eat what I can at the restaurant and take the rest home. They let you pay per the weight of the food rather than the buffet price.

Grandemadaca: Mimic

you are correct, I suppose I should have said 'adult' population.

Grandemadaca: Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...

I found that on my own, but ty. the point is the same. At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

I didn't even say that I had the same body style or that I am in as great of shape. It was a size comparison, nothing more. (I know you weren't being harsh, thanks for that) I never even said I am beautiful or even near being pretty. I just said a size comparison.. just a size.

/remembers why I swore off Fark posting (again, not directed at you)

kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.

Looks shopped... some of the pixels are out of place and the gamut in particular is off.

kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.


Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe, nttawwt

I didn't write the article I quoted, so it is not my "proof" as you say. Maybe you should have a look at the article. It mentions that there are other factors besides mere measurements, such as beauty, personality, etc. There is also the question of clothes and presentation. Peoples's attitudes have changed in 60 years, too. If Marilyn acted angry and confrontational, for instance, she would not be Marilyn, she would be Bette Davis.

Guys seem to like big boobs and butts but not big guts, in women, and I hope the ideal of nuturing, in women, is not entirely dead. Anyway, everyone in this world is sometimes judged by others. So quit worrying about it and just try to be a good person.

kiwimoogle84: Chocolate.x: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.

Looks shopped... some of the pixels are out of place and the gamut in particular is off.

I don't know if you were being a douche or incredibly hilarious.

Of course it's shopped. How else do you get eight of me in one picture?

Column A && Column B.
To answer your second question: Advanced Optics, clearly!

Gross, they should lose their right to eat at restaurants.

ghare: Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

Hey, listen, seeing as how you're perfect, could you please, like, cure some cancer or something? I'm just sayin'.

Why? We have to kill off the fatties somehow.

kiwimoogle84: Beanlet: Grandemadaca: Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...

I found that on my own, but ty. the point is the same. At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

I didn't even say that I had the same body style or that I am in as great of shape. It was a size comparison, nothing more. (I know you weren't being harsh, thanks for that) I never even said I am beautiful or even near being pretty. I just said a size comparison.. just a size.

/remembers why I swore off Fark posting (again, not directed at you)

Sizes also don't take height into account, dear. Unfortunately most of fark thinks everyone 5'2-5'11 should be under a size 6, when that's reasonable for one end and possibly life threatening for the other end.

So don't worry. I know how you feel. Luckily, I found a guy who would prefer I not lose weight at all, because he likes the junk in the trunk, as it were...

My husband actually wanted me to put on the weight that I have put on. Maybe in a little more distrubuted, healthy way, but with my medical issues, my tone days are gone and it is what it is. When we met, I was unhealthy and too skinny. He likes me with a butt and apparenly doesn't think I'm too ugly to have kept around all these years. (that's a joke, folks.. just a joke)

Have you ever seen a Marilyn Monroe movie? Her presence and poise are what makes her, not her measurements. A woman could have the same measurements as her and still look straight busted. Same goes for fark skinny braggers, just because you're thin doesn't mean your hot, since this is fark you are most likely some mousy goof toothed beanpole. Hot is hot, fat or thin. The exception being the morbidly obese, there is no such thing as a hot morbidly obese woman.

Beanlet: At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

Yeah, I'm gonna disagree there too. Dolly Parton has a big bust and J-Lo has a big butt and neither of them are too fat for celebrity. Meanwhile the culture is far more tolerant for fat women than in Marilyn's time. Kathy Bates is thick and she has had some serious dramatic roles. What kinds of roles do you think Star Jones or Pre-weightloss Oprah could have gotten back in the day?

Are there people in your life actually criticizing your figure all the time, or is it all in your head? Maybe you just judge yourself too harshly?

If you want to look more like a real movie star, you might have to put some real work into it. Anybody remember that scene from Northern Exposure where Hollings young girlfriend tells him the horrors of suffering for beauty? If you want to let yourself go, fine, but don't expect to be able to compare yourself to a movie idol. Might also consider that Marilyn was famous just a generation after the Great Depression, when people suffered actual hunger for years, so at that time, some fat probably really was considered desirable.

Some of our reactions to one another are unconscious, or on an animal level. In times of famine, a bit of fat indicates health, good for breeding. In times of plenty, excess fat may indicate greed or selfishness, maybe not so good for breeding. Ever see a really fat parent with skinny kids? Humans evolved through times of scarcity, so an unconscious response to the sight of a grossly obese person may be to distrust them, that they are eating all of the village stores themselves.

WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.


Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe, nttawwt

I didn't write the article I quoted, so it is not my "proof" as you say. Maybe you should have a look at the article. It mentions that there are other factors besides mere measurements, such as beauty, personality, etc. There is also the question of clothes and presentation. Peoples's attitudes have changed in 60 years, too. If Marilyn acted angry and confrontational, for instance, she would not be Marilyn, she would be Bette Davis.

Guys seem to like big boobs and butts but not big guts, in women, and I hope the ideal of nuturing, in women, is not entirely dead. Anyway, everyone in this world is sometimes judged by others. So quit worrying about it and just try to be a good person.

You are doing your absolute best here today, making sure enough people feel judged to fill that quota?