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2012-10-10 08:05:53 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Also of neat note--GLP1 agonists are about the only class of drugs used in Type II diabetes that have found any sort of use in Type I diabetes (the nasty autoimmune type) in clinical trials--in essence, the glucagon regulation effects of GLP1 agonists enable Type I diabetics to use less insulin. Not a cure, but it does mean one has to fill up the insulin pump less frequently. :D)

/Anyone who's considering lap band and at risk for Type II diabetes might wanna ask an endocrinologist re a trial of "lizard spit", just sayin'


Smarted. That is extremely interesting. My surgeon did tell me that that surgery was also a sort of endocrine system reset, and that's one of the things the surgery did for me. No more Metformin. If that can be done without surgery, that is very good news.
 
2012-10-10 08:10:31 PM

Beanlet: At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.


Yeah
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good god what a couple of gross fat sweathogs they were
 
2012-10-10 08:11:37 PM
Allowing people who eat less to pay less? Makes perfect sense to me: Restaurants compete based on price to attract a given customer from another restaurant (a somewhat reduced additional profit is better than no additional profit and is a lot better than the conjunction of no additional profit for one's business and some additional profit for a competitor), and as more restaurants adopt the practice, people who order reasonable portion sizes or will eat less at a buffet don't have to subsidize the people who gorge themselves.
 
2012-10-10 08:15:41 PM
In before fat people with counterfeit cards.
 
2012-10-10 08:16:57 PM
Fat!

www.nndb.com 

She'd never get movie roles today
 
2012-10-10 08:17:53 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


You said this to be critical, I'm sure, but you might be surprised how general this sort of problem is. It almost certainly affects you in some form unless you are a paragon of self-discipline. Society would be unrecognizably different if this were not so.

Consider this for example: You have no legitimate need for a teacher. All the information you need to pass the exam is in your textbook. You can read, can't you? Yes, a teacher can provide interactive explanations of material you have a hard time understanding, but this is an insignificant and unnecessary contribution to your progress. If you don't believe that, the test of it is that there are plenty of foreign students (especially in engineering) who can't understand the lectures, are no more intellectually gifted than you, but will come away with top marks, and everyone knows why -- because they study.

If everyone would simply do what they know is in their self-interest, there would be no fatties. Also, no smokers, no druggies, and beer would be an obscure delicacy. Schools would resemble libraries in which a skeleton crew of professors monitored their students' progress remotely. STDs and unwanted pregnancies would be unknown -- after all, don't you absolutely love how all the birth control pill does is force women to menstruate. And it's incredibly effective. They can get the same benefit, for free, by simply not farking. But no, no, unless you give them pills so they're forced not to carry a baby they're going to fark like animals and get knocked up!

Basically, this is a problem of human nature. You help nothing by complaining that we wouldn't have to deal with it if Man were better than he is.
 
2012-10-10 08:21:14 PM
Oh, FFS:

The following are restaurants identified by ObesityHelp members as accepting WLS cards or offering an open children's menu to all ages.

Golden Corral, Olive Garden, Chili's, Applebee's, Red Lobster, Denny's, Cracker Barrel, Outback Steak House, The Keg


I think I've seen this list somewhere before... Restaurant Portion Size: Nearly All Entrees Exceed Nutrition Recommendations

Slap TGIFridays and Cheesecake Factory onto the card list and you're almost 1-for-1. This whole card program is to keep families coming to restaurants with absurd portions even after one member has finally given them up.
 
2012-10-10 08:35:10 PM

SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: I am actually running, so that makes me an actual runner.

When you're not going any faster than the bulk of the walkers, you're not a runner. You're just walking the marathon with a slightly different gait.

Striving for improved fitness is fantastic, but taking slots up in a marathon where you're just walking and then saying that you've run a marathon is disingenuous and ridiculous and not fair to the actual runners who aren't able to get a slot in the race because 1/4 of the people signed up for it are walking.

Find a park with a few miles of trails, take a fanny pack with some gu and a sandwich, and go out there with a friend. Walk/trot it for 6 hours, and knock out your 26 miles that way. You've gotten the same distance, same benefits, and you haven't taken slots away from the runners. You can still tell people you've done a marathon.


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I can tell people I've run a marathon. Because I've farking run one. And I raised $500 for Autism Speaks while doing it. And I'm going to do it again in January. I won't even take any space away from "actual runners" like you. Don't worry, I won't go near your precious Houston Marathon.
 
2012-10-10 08:44:31 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I can tell people I've run a marathon. Because I've farking run one. And I raised $500 for Autism Speaks while doing it. And I'm going to do it again in January. I won't even take any space away from "actual runners" like you.


Good for you! Thanks for raising money for autism, too.

To SchlingFocker

Are marathons so hard to get into that elites are actually turned away to make room for slower runners? if so, the marathons can just sell more slots. The elites should try to welcome new runners to the sport instead of excluding them.

Don't think much of telling people to lie about their accomplishments, it's not sporting.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:14 PM

RobDownSouth: Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Insurance didn't pay for my bypass. I paid for it myself. Did a bit of medical tourism down to Tijuana Mexico, paid $4500 and spent 3 days recuperating.

Insurance nowadays rarely covers gastric surgery, fark you very much.


Probably has something to do with the failure rates.

To answer an earlier question: "What kind of failures? Infections? or ruptures from gorging?" - the latter. Most of the patients I've seen with failed gastric bypasses seemed to think they could still eat whatever they want and somehow the surgery would make them skinnier. I partially blame whoever gave them the surgery for going ahead when they clearly hadn't "bought in" to what they needed to do.
 
2012-10-10 08:53:14 PM
Oh while we're on the subject I guess I'll throw out that a couple years ago my dad was having kidney problems due to his weight and was told by the doctors that he would either have to go on dialysis or get gastric bypass surgery. Instead he decided to lose 75 lbs on his own. So just wanted to throw out that not all fatties are unwilling to do the work, some just need a swift kick in the pants. In fact I feel like I read a lot of anecdotes every fat thread about a fat person who decided to make a change for themselves. So bravo fat people who lost weight on their own.
 
2012-10-10 09:11:07 PM

Medic Zero: I partially blame whoever gave them the surgery for going ahead when they clearly hadn't "bought in" to what they needed to do.


That does happen. A good surgeon at a Bariatric Center of Excellence won't do the surgery unless you've got a reasonably clean bill of health, including mental health. Mine required a check-in with a psychiatrist, plus six months of a diet and exercise program between the initial weigh-in and the surgery. They didn't expect a lot of weight loss during that time frame, but if you gain during that six months, you're out. They also test patients for nicotine before surgery. You've been smoking? Surgery cancelled. A Bariatric Center of Excellence will do everything they can to make sure a patient is both physically and mentally ready for the surgery and the restrictions you have to live with afterward.

If you work in health care (obviously, Medic Zero), then you probably don't see all the patients who are doing what they're supposed to do and having the surgery work out well for them. I think there are quite a few of us. We're the ones who stop posting to the bariatric surgery forums after a year or so because we're busy living our lives.
 
2012-10-10 09:23:30 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Medic Zero: I partially blame whoever gave them the surgery for going ahead when they clearly hadn't "bought in" to what they needed to do.

That does happen. A good surgeon at a Bariatric Center of Excellence won't do the surgery unless you've got a reasonably clean bill of health, including mental health. Mine required a check-in with a psychiatrist, plus six months of a diet and exercise program between the initial weigh-in and the surgery. They didn't expect a lot of weight loss during that time frame, but if you gain during that six months, you're out. They also test patients for nicotine before surgery. You've been smoking? Surgery cancelled. A Bariatric Center of Excellence will do everything they can to make sure a patient is both physically and mentally ready for the surgery and the restrictions you have to live with afterward.

If you work in health care (obviously, Medic Zero), then you probably don't see all the patients who are doing what they're supposed to do and having the surgery work out well for them. I think there are quite a few of us. We're the ones who stop posting to the bariatric surgery forums after a year or so because we're busy living our lives.


Yeah, I remind myself of that fact often. From what I saw in the ICU, for a while there I was about convinced that the gullet resection surgery that people with Barrett's Esophagus get killed 100% of them. It's not far from that from what I can tell, but occasionally someone does actually survive it. I was totally shocked when one night we had a guy who seemed to be just spending a night in observation in the ICU after the surgery, because every other one we had was dieing and we were just trying to keep them alive for 6 weeks so that they could blame nursing instead of the surgery for their death to help the surgeons stats.
 
2012-10-10 09:56:39 PM

SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: I am actually running, so that makes me an actual runner.

When you're not going any faster than the bulk of the walkers, you're not a runner. You're just walking the marathon with a slightly different gait.

Striving for improved fitness is fantastic, but taking slots up in a marathon where you're just walking and then saying that you've run a marathon is disingenuous and ridiculous and not fair to the actual runners who aren't able to get a slot in the race because 1/4 of the people signed up for it are walking.

Find a park with a few miles of trails, take a fanny pack with some gu and a sandwich, and go out there with a friend. Walk/trot it for 6 hours, and knock out your 26 miles that way. You've gotten the same distance, same benefits, and you haven't taken slots away from the runners. You can still tell people you've done a marathon.


Yeah, I don't see too many marathons selling out. The ones that do are the biggies, and it's not from the poky runners taking up spaces.

You keep on running those races, CheetahOlivetti. Most runners welcome you, and will cheer you on for your accomplishment. You're still part of the 1% that get it done.
 
2012-10-10 10:04:19 PM
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Obvious.
 
2012-10-10 10:35:17 PM
I don't understand why anyone would eat at a buffet period. They're gross. Food that sits out all day, random people touching it and putting stuff back or sneezing all over it. I think of a buffet and I think of disgusting germs and rancid food.
 
2012-10-10 11:03:34 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


It's true, you could get the same weight loss results by hiring a person to follow you around and shock you with a cattle prod every time you eat too much.
 
2012-10-10 11:36:52 PM

dittybopper: Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

Not necessarily. Here is their everyday menu:

Everyday Menu Items
Assorted Steamed Vegetables
Awesome Pot Roast
Baked Potatoes
Banana Pudding
Bourbon Street Chicken
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrot Cake
Carrots
Cauliflower
Chocolate Cake w/ Chocolate Frosting
Clam Chowder
Coleslaw
Corn
Fresh fruit
Fried Chicken
Fudgy Brownies
Green Beans
Greens
Grilled-to-order USDA Sirloin Steaks (*dinner only)
Macaroni & Cheese
Macaroni Salad
Mashed Potatoes & Gravy
Meatloaf
No Sugar Added Chocolate Pudding
Pizza
Potato Salad
Rotisserie Chicken
Seafood Salad
Soft Serve Ice Cream
Spaghetti
Sugar Free Red Gelatin
Sweet Potatoes
Timberline Chili
Yeast Rolls
50+ Toppings on our Fresh Cold Salad Bar

I bolded everything that is pretty much unequivocally healthy food, and yes that includes grilled red meat. You could eat "Lean and Green" at a Golden Corral quite easily. 

/Gave half-credit for the fresh cold salad bar, as some of it probably is good, and some bad.


Most of those are probably slathered in butter.
 
2012-10-10 11:36:59 PM
What happened to liposuction? Wouldn't that be safer than stomach surgery?
 
2012-10-11 01:28:01 AM
I had RNY gastric bypass surgery 8 yrs ago, and I have kept the weight off. I am by no means "skinny" but I am healthy now. Average size. I participate in a sport I love, and life is just more fulfilling. I was young when I had it though (24 at the time). The cards are only really helpful at the beginning, during the weight loss stage, & should have an expiration date of 1 year after the surgery. The stomach does stretch a bit over time. But if you don't like leftovers, eat ala carte. And don't biatch about buffets. You should be thankful you were able to have the surgery, and are more than likely saving money in the long run by not having heart disease, knee replacement, diabetes, etc.
 
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