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2012-10-10 04:03:02 PM

technicolor-misfit: NowhereMon: That's like giving an alcoholic free drinks in exchange for their AA medallions. Which a bar in here in Minneapolis did back in the day, they had a wall full of them.


Wow...

That's some evil shiat... like "if Satan ran a bar" evil. I see Al Pacino pouring glowing amber shots in glistening glasses and chewing up the scenery shouting "Come on, fellas... I know you're thirsty. Drinks are on me. Don't fear it, master it... or ain't ya got no spine?"


Moby Dicks was its name. This is the stuff of legend, and it may well be only that. But I heard it from so many people that it is plausible.
 
2012-10-10 04:04:03 PM

Grandemadaca: CheetahOlivetti: SchlingFocker: CheetahOlivetti: If you're faster than that, you shouldn't be bothered by us. We're way in the back anyway, so what do you care?

Y'all take up limited slots that could be used by actual runners.

I wish the Houston Marathon required qualifying times in other, smaller marathons like other major cities.

I am actually running, so that makes me an actual runner.

I'm not a professional level runner, and I probably never will be, but I love running, and I love the camaraderie of racing, even though I suck at it. Also, I'm running in the RnR Arizona marathon. I don't think they've ever run out of space for us slow-asses.

I always check the cut-off times before I register for a race, and I don't register for one where I'll end up being kicked out for being too slow. I'd like to run the Whiskey Row Marathon next year, I won't register until I know I can stay well ahead of the cut-off pace, especially considering that it's a hilly and difficult course.

Don't let the D-bags get you down. Running a marathon, no matter how slow, is a MAJOR accomplishement. Be proud and keep running. Soon enough you may not be running with the Kenyans, but you won't be worrying about the cut-off time either.


THIS! I hope to run one next year. 13.1 is the farthest I've run so far. Much respect!
 
2012-10-10 04:09:06 PM

CheetahOlivetti: kiwimoogle84: See, I wish I could. You're awesome. Running a marathon just will never be possible for me unless/until I get knee replacements. Yes, I'm 28. As Indy said, it's not the years, it's the mileage...After about one mile of running I hurt so badly I can't go down stairs the next day.

I have considered entering a team triathlon though. I could do the swimming portion.

Thank you so much! I'm really lucky that I've never had major knee problems. My left knee got a little squirrelly during a half-marathon last year, but I wore a brace for the full, and it was fine. I'm back to running without it now.

I do have back problems, but that's bothers me worse when I'm walking or standing than when I'm running. It's weird. You should do team triathlons. I have a friend who only does the biking portion. I wouldn't mind doing the swimming part, but I'm such a clumsy mess, I'm afraid I'd kill myself on the biking portion. :) I managed to trip over a tree branch and sprain my wrist while running a couple of weeks ago -- who knows what mayhem would ensue if I tried to race on a bike.


From what I've heard, swim portion is the most brutal part of a tri. Imagine getting elbowed in the ribs and kicked in the face a lot. IIRC, when you're on a bike, you're not allowed to draft, so people can't get to close to each other when passing/being passed. So you'd probably be fine as long as you can ride in a fairly predictable manner.
 
2012-10-10 04:14:09 PM

kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.


Pics or GTFO
 
2012-10-10 04:14:39 PM

SchlingFocker: Beanlet: I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Women's clothing sizes were different back then.

Marilyn would be about a size 6 in today's clothing sizes.

Fat chicks do themselves no justice and sound ridiculous when they try to say that they've got the same body as Marilyn Monroe.


I apologize, I got the size wrong, I should have looked it up before mentioning her here. Marilyn was today's equivalent of a size 10. So I am a lard ass, you are right, do your little victory dance. http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.asp (I don't know how to do links here, even after all these years)

The point was that by today's standads, she would be considered too fat to be famous. People would be telling her to put down the farking fork every chance they got. She was a full-figured girl, in case you haven't ever seen her in films or pictures. Same with Jane Russell. They were both perfectly fine in the day, people thought they were both extremely beautiful and women wanted to have bodies just like them.  Today, people point fingers at women the same sizes and say they need to drop down to a size 6 to be pretty.
 
2012-10-10 04:15:38 PM

big pig peaches: dittybopper: big pig peaches: Well the veggies depend as a lot on how they are prepared, but rotisserie chicken is pretty horrifying. Unless you're doing the low carb thing, and then there is still some debate about how the chicken was raised.

Rotisserie chicken isn't that bad. It's just roasted. It's *FRIED* chicken that will kill you.

Well, it's not alfredo but compared to a grilled chicken breast, yes it is. If you''re choosing it for health reasons, just have a steak.


ummm, all the excess fat and liquid drips of the rotisserie as it spins, that's the entire point. it is like grilling except it rotates. in fact grilling can leave pools of fat on top unless you flip it. so i don't see how rotisserie is not the absolute healthiest way to cook a chicken. unless you think we should eat no fat whatsoever and only skinless is OK, but that would be wrong.
 
2012-10-10 04:16:43 PM

WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO


You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.
 
2012-10-10 04:19:08 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Beanlet: I hope you saw that I said exactly that in the part of my post that you didn't quote.

Why ask that? Were you wanting an argument, or something?


I was curious if you saw that part. You quoted one part and said the same thing I said in another part, like you were making a new point. I have no clue why you think I'd want to start an argument. I do honestly hope that you saw that I said what you said.. after I said.. what I said.. I did, you know..

/yikes
 
2012-10-10 04:20:11 PM
It actually doesn't seem unreasonable. Although, there are a lot of people who probably don't get as much value out of an all-you-can-eat buffet as the average person. I can't eat much at once, so I get a to-go box at the Indian buffet I go to and eat what I can at the restaurant and take the rest home. They let you pay per the weight of the food rather than the buffet price.
 
2012-10-10 04:20:32 PM

Grandemadaca: Mimic


you are correct, I suppose I should have said 'adult' population.
 
2012-10-10 04:25:37 PM

Grandemadaca: Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...


I found that on my own, but ty. the point is the same. At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

I didn't even say that I had the same body style or that I am in as great of shape. It was a size comparison, nothing more. (I know you weren't being harsh, thanks for that) I never even said I am beautiful or even near being pretty. I just said a size comparison.. just a size.

/remembers why I swore off Fark posting (again, not directed at you)
 
2012-10-10 04:30:08 PM

kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.


Looks shopped... some of the pixels are out of place and the gamut in particular is off.
 
2012-10-10 04:30:23 PM

Beanlet: Grandemadaca: Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...

I found that on my own, but ty. the point is the same. At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

I didn't even say that I had the same body style or that I am in as great of shape. It was a size comparison, nothing more. (I know you weren't being harsh, thanks for that) I never even said I am beautiful or even near being pretty. I just said a size comparison.. just a size.

/remembers why I swore off Fark posting (again, not directed at you)


Sizes also don't take height into account, dear. Unfortunately most of fark thinks everyone 5'2-5'11 should be under a size 6, when that's reasonable for one end and possibly life threatening for the other end.

So don't worry. I know how you feel. Luckily, I found a guy who would prefer I not lose weight at all, because he likes the junk in the trunk, as it were...
 
2012-10-10 04:31:51 PM

Chocolate.x: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.

Looks shopped... some of the pixels are out of place and the gamut in particular is off.


I don't know if you were being a douche or incredibly hilarious.

Of course it's shopped. How else do you get eight of me in one picture?
 
2012-10-10 04:32:20 PM

kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.



Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe, nttawwt

I didn't write the article I quoted, so it is not my "proof" as you say. Maybe you should have a look at the article. It mentions that there are other factors besides mere measurements, such as beauty, personality, etc. There is also the question of clothes and presentation. Peoples's attitudes have changed in 60 years, too. If Marilyn acted angry and confrontational, for instance, she would not be Marilyn, she would be Bette Davis.

Guys seem to like big boobs and butts but not big guts, in women, and I hope the ideal of nuturing, in women, is not entirely dead. Anyway, everyone in this world is sometimes judged by others. So quit worrying about it and just try to be a good person.
 
2012-10-10 04:33:32 PM

kiwimoogle84: Chocolate.x: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.

Looks shopped... some of the pixels are out of place and the gamut in particular is off.

I don't know if you were being a douche or incredibly hilarious.

Of course it's shopped. How else do you get eight of me in one picture?


Column A && Column B.
To answer your second question: Advanced Optics, clearly!
 
2012-10-10 04:35:26 PM
Gross, they should lose their right to eat at restaurants.
 
2012-10-10 04:39:22 PM

WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.


Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe, nttawwt

I didn't write the article I quoted, so it is not my "proof" as you say. Maybe you should have a look at the article. It mentions that there are other factors besides mere measurements, such as beauty, personality, etc. There is also the question of clothes and presentation. Peoples's attitudes have changed in 60 years, too. If Marilyn acted angry and confrontational, for instance, she would not be Marilyn, she would be Bette Davis.

Guys seem to like big boobs and butts but not big guts, in women, and I hope the ideal of nuturing, in women, is not entirely dead. Anyway, everyone in this world is sometimes judged by others. So quit worrying about it and just try to be a good person.


Never said I was Marilyn. We were purely discussing size. I have my own qualities but no, I don't have her sex appeal. Just giving a visual of 36 inch hips and bust.

Wow, a fat person thread turned into a skinny person thread. Interesting.
 
2012-10-10 04:40:26 PM

ghare: Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

Hey, listen, seeing as how you're perfect, could you please, like, cure some cancer or something? I'm just sayin'.


Why? We have to kill off the fatties somehow.
 
2012-10-10 04:49:15 PM

kiwimoogle84: Beanlet: Grandemadaca: Beanlet: Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

I'm sure you're lovely (really, no sarcasm here), but about that ol' Marlyn Monroe was a size 14 thing...

I found that on my own, but ty. the point is the same. At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.

I didn't even say that I had the same body style or that I am in as great of shape. It was a size comparison, nothing more. (I know you weren't being harsh, thanks for that) I never even said I am beautiful or even near being pretty. I just said a size comparison.. just a size.

/remembers why I swore off Fark posting (again, not directed at you)

Sizes also don't take height into account, dear. Unfortunately most of fark thinks everyone 5'2-5'11 should be under a size 6, when that's reasonable for one end and possibly life threatening for the other end.

So don't worry. I know how you feel. Luckily, I found a guy who would prefer I not lose weight at all, because he likes the junk in the trunk, as it were...


My husband actually wanted me to put on the weight that I have put on. Maybe in a little more distrubuted, healthy way, but with my medical issues, my tone days are gone and it is what it is. When we met, I was unhealthy and too skinny. He likes me with a butt and apparenly doesn't think I'm too ugly to have kept around all these years. (that's a joke, folks.. just a joke)
 
2012-10-10 04:52:14 PM
Have you ever seen a Marilyn Monroe movie? Her presence and poise are what makes her, not her measurements. A woman could have the same measurements as her and still look straight busted. Same goes for fark skinny braggers, just because you're thin doesn't mean your hot, since this is fark you are most likely some mousy goof toothed beanpole. Hot is hot, fat or thin. The exception being the morbidly obese, there is no such thing as a hot morbidly obese woman.
 
2012-10-10 04:55:25 PM

Beanlet: At size 10, by today's standards, with the build that the beautiful Marilyn had, she would be considered too fat for the roles she played. Same with Jane Russell, same with most of those women.


Yeah, I'm gonna disagree there too. Dolly Parton has a big bust and J-Lo has a big butt and neither of them are too fat for celebrity. Meanwhile the culture is far more tolerant for fat women than in Marilyn's time. Kathy Bates is thick and she has had some serious dramatic roles. What kinds of roles do you think Star Jones or Pre-weightloss Oprah could have gotten back in the day?

Are there people in your life actually criticizing your figure all the time, or is it all in your head? Maybe you just judge yourself too harshly?

If you want to look more like a real movie star, you might have to put some real work into it. Anybody remember that scene from Northern Exposure where Hollings young girlfriend tells him the horrors of suffering for beauty? If you want to let yourself go, fine, but don't expect to be able to compare yourself to a movie idol. Might also consider that Marilyn was famous just a generation after the Great Depression, when people suffered actual hunger for years, so at that time, some fat probably really was considered desirable.

Some of our reactions to one another are unconscious, or on an animal level. In times of famine, a bit of fat indicates health, good for breeding. In times of plenty, excess fat may indicate greed or selfishness, maybe not so good for breeding. Ever see a really fat parent with skinny kids? Humans evolved through times of scarcity, so an unconscious response to the sight of a grossly obese person may be to distrust them, that they are eating all of the village stores themselves.
 
2012-10-10 04:58:18 PM

WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: WeenerGord: kiwimoogle84: Interestingly enough, she would wear the same size bra/shirt as me, as well as the same pants size. Those are my hip and chest proportions, and I'm between a 10 and 12 now. I have a 28 inch waist, but it works for me.

So you kind of disproved yourself, because those hip and chest measurements support the thought that she'd be a 10-12. She just had an infinitely smaller waist, which can be achieved by wearing a size 12 dress and adding a belt.

Pics or GTFO

You can see my figure in my profile, dude. Particularly the one of me laying on the floor in the blue shirt. You can also see how tall I am.


Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe, nttawwt

I didn't write the article I quoted, so it is not my "proof" as you say. Maybe you should have a look at the article. It mentions that there are other factors besides mere measurements, such as beauty, personality, etc. There is also the question of clothes and presentation. Peoples's attitudes have changed in 60 years, too. If Marilyn acted angry and confrontational, for instance, she would not be Marilyn, she would be Bette Davis.

Guys seem to like big boobs and butts but not big guts, in women, and I hope the ideal of nuturing, in women, is not entirely dead. Anyway, everyone in this world is sometimes judged by others. So quit worrying about it and just try to be a good person.


You are doing your absolute best here today, making sure enough people feel judged to fill that quota?
 
2012-10-10 04:59:58 PM

JWideman: This just highlights the fact that nobody cooks anymore and we rely too heavily on the restaurant industry in America - not just fast food even - is largely responsible for obesity in America. We've been trained to demand quantity instead of quality. To get a normal portion for a lower price, you have to have a note from your doctor.

 
2012-10-10 05:02:44 PM

kiwimoogle84: Wow, a fat person thread turned into a skinny person thread. Interesting.


Our last Amazon thread turned into a food pron thread....
 
2012-10-10 05:07:27 PM

Beanlet: You are doing your absolute best here today, making sure enough people feel judged to fill that quota?


Quota? What quota? Sounds like the judging is all in your head. People sometimes see what they want to see, and fixate on proving their preconceived ideas.

But to answer your question, I'm actually trying to keep an open mind and consider the issue from many angles, without judging anyone. Why does that make you see judgement?
 
2012-10-10 05:08:05 PM
FTFA: To accommodate the patients' reduced stomach volumes, the cards, called WLS (Weight Loss Surgery) cards, ask restaurants to allow patients to order a smaller portion of food for a discounted price.

Ummm... why not just let everyone order the smaller portions? Are gastric bypass patients the only people who have to worry about portion size?
 
2012-10-10 05:18:45 PM

sigdiamond2000: This article is further proof that the once noble American Experiment has failed, and serves as a reminder that I need to get my Canadian citizenship documents in order.


What makes you think Canada wants you?
 
2012-10-10 05:27:39 PM

WeenerGord:

Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe


how about this judgement? You don't consider that a judgement? You have a funny way of showing your open mindedness.

You have also made a whole lot of judgements about me and my lifestyle and my personality and emotional state. If you can't see that, that is your problem, not mine. welcome to ignore.
 
2012-10-10 05:43:34 PM

Beanlet: WeenerGord:

Well the pancake on the rabbit is funny, but you are no Marilyn Monroe

how about this judgement? You don't consider that a judgement? You have a funny way of showing your open mindedness.

You have also made a whole lot of judgements about me and my lifestyle and my personality and emotional state. If you can't see that, that is your problem, not mine. welcome to ignore.



Well, BYE. LOL.

Did you look at her picture(s)? She is NOT no Marilyn Monroe, any more than Jim Belushi is a Tom Selleck. Doesn't mean she might not be a good person.

You opened the "marilyn monroe" can of worms on the first page. Why the hell do women think they have to be lied to and told they look like Marilyn when they don't? Also biatchy drama queens are not attractive, not everyone likes to have to fight all the time or have to kiss someone's ass so they don't fly into hysterics. Jeez!

But I got better things to do with my time than argue with fat chicks over their insecurities. I'm gonna go play video games! =D
 
2012-10-10 05:48:54 PM
Bukowski 'At The Sizzler'

In the middle of hell
In the hell of hell
...
 
2012-10-10 05:50:36 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I run slowly


Then your login is totally wrong.

/so is mine, really
 
2012-10-10 05:51:30 PM

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: To accommodate the patients' reduced stomach volumes, the cards, called WLS (Weight Loss Surgery) cards, ask restaurants to allow patients to order a smaller portion of food for a discounted price.

Ummm... why not just let everyone order the smaller portions? Are gastric bypass patients the only people who have to worry about portion size?


Thread over in 228ish.

This.
 
2012-10-10 05:58:08 PM

Mr_Fabulous: CheetahOlivetti: I run slowly

Then your login is totally wrong.

/so is mine, really


Heh. Actually, it's a play on Cheetah = the chimpanzee, Olivetti = on a typewriter.
 
2012-10-10 06:10:07 PM

Beanlet: Today, people point fingers at women the same sizes and say they need to drop down to a size 6 to be pretty.


You hear that all the time but who is it, really, who is pointing these fingers and telling you to be thinner? IMHO it's mostly the fashion industry, which is a bunch of relatively insane artists and rich people looking to make money by selling women ridiculously overpriced clothing umpteen times per year. The fashion industry is not representative of reality or of the opinions of real men. It's not our fault you listen to them.

That said, don't be fat. Fat is not attractive on anyone, male or female. Eat a balanced, healthy diet and exercise regularly. And don't be fat.
 
2012-10-10 06:12:21 PM

sigdiamond2000: dittybopper: Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

Not necessarily. Here is their everyday menu:

I think by "issues," Sybarite means things like incest and emotional abuse, not poor eating habits. If you're eating at Golden Corral, there's a pretty good chance there's some deep wound within you that you're trying to cover with their chocolate fountain of shame (and assorted beard hairs).


as opposed to the perfectly balanced people putting grass they grow next their toaster in the blender and storing jars of vomit in their closet.

There is a reason i sound fat.
/hungry
 
2012-10-10 06:19:00 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I am actually running, so that makes me an actual runner.


When you're not going any faster than the bulk of the walkers, you're not a runner. You're just walking the marathon with a slightly different gait.

Striving for improved fitness is fantastic, but taking slots up in a marathon where you're just walking and then saying that you've run a marathon is disingenuous and ridiculous and not fair to the actual runners who aren't able to get a slot in the race because 1/4 of the people signed up for it are walking.

Find a park with a few miles of trails, take a fanny pack with some gu and a sandwich, and go out there with a friend. Walk/trot it for 6 hours, and knock out your 26 miles that way. You've gotten the same distance, same benefits, and you haven't taken slots away from the runners. You can still tell people you've done a marathon.
 
2012-10-10 06:30:25 PM
At some point you have to take control of yourself and not rely on others to help you control yourself. Nothing will change unless you take personal responsibility for your own change in habits. This doesn't just apply to obese people. Otherwise once the crutch disappears, if you haven't taught yourself self discipline, you will fall back on old habits. It's hard to do at times but it is the only way.
 
2012-10-10 06:31:41 PM
I've seen lots of very fat patients and even done pre-surgical consults for gastric bypass. I always hear these stories about people who do every humanly possible thing to maintain a healthy weight but aren't able to do so because of thyroid/"glandular" problems or metabolism, or whatever-the-fark. In my experience, in multiple practice settings as well as anecdotally in my daily life with friends and relatives, not a single morbidly obese person got that way without overeating and/or eating unhealthy foods. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it doesn't happen often. I have a relative who is obese at about 250 lbs, but I know that when he had a modest, sustainable exercise regimen and practiced portion control he was 195 lbs. The problem isn't that he's a foodie, it's that he has poor self-control and just ends up eating too many things and too much when the opportunity presents. He eats plenty of healthy vegetables, but does not choose them when the opportunity presents.

So I'm going to make the startling claim that behavior modification is a much more effective and less invasive route than gastric bypass. I'm also going to whine about the fact that I make healthy choices and don't overeat at a buffet (yes, I probably eat two desserts, but I'm not huge) while other people limit intake because they're surgically restricted, and there is no discount for me or my healthy eating relatives at a buffet.

If you had a gastric bypass and you're eating at the Sizzler, just pay the regular price. You've managed to beat the system in the past by eating far more than you paid for. Now if you're going to eat less, you expect to be compensated? Nice move, jackasses.

But I don't really blame the fatties, because this is really about restaurants acting like drug dealers. People who make poor eating choices are the cash cows for most restaurants. The restaurants need to keep them coming in the doors, and they will continue to entice them with kiddie-sized ham slurpies or whatever it takes.
 
2012-10-10 06:39:33 PM
my BIL Troy was a huge fat bag of shiat all the years i knew him. he got a gastric bypass, looked great, lost an amazing amount of weight, was nice, thin and healthy. had to watch how much he ate and what he ate. but with hard work and diligence he had himself right back up to morbidly obese fat bag of shiat in under 2 years. farking amazing he's not dead.

his wife, who is a few credits shy of being a Doctor (MD), is also a great big huge bag of shiat.
 
2012-10-10 06:44:24 PM

thisisarepeat: and storing jars of vomit in their closet.


Being at a healthy weight does not require inducing vomiting, and only a tiny percentage of people do it. Those people have mental health issues.

You're just fat. Thin people are at a normal, healthy weight. They eat normal, healthy diets. The diet you eat, by contrast, is almost certainly not normal or healthy. You are not normal or healthy. You are fat.

Eat your veggies, and stop eating crap. It's not that hard to do.
 
2012-10-10 06:52:54 PM

KrispyKritter: my BIL Troy was a huge fat bag of shiat all the years i knew him. he got a gastric bypass, looked great, lost an amazing amount of weight, was nice, thin and healthy. had to watch how much he ate and what he ate. but with hard work and diligence he had himself right back up to morbidly obese fat bag of shiat in under 2 years. farking amazing he's not dead.

his wife, who is a few credits shy of being a Doctor (MD), is also a great big huge bag of shiat.


Do you, great big huge bag of shiat, take Troy to be your lawfully wedded huge fat bag of shiat?
 
2012-10-10 06:53:44 PM
BMI 31.4 checking in

vroom vroom

www.bannedinhollywood.com
 
2012-10-10 06:59:48 PM

Jument: Beanlet: Today, people point fingers at women the same sizes and say they need to drop down to a size 6 to be pretty.

You hear that all the time but who is it, really, who is pointing these fingers and telling you to be thinner? IMHO it's mostly the fashion industry, which is a bunch of relatively insane artists and rich people looking to make money by selling women ridiculously overpriced clothing umpteen times per year. The fashion industry is not representative of reality or of the opinions of real men. It's not our fault you listen to them.

That said, don't be fat. Fat is not attractive on anyone, male or female. Eat a balanced, healthy diet and exercise regularly. And don't be fat.


OMG this.
 
2012-10-10 07:10:09 PM

Jument: Beanlet: Today, people point fingers at women the same sizes and say they need to drop down to a size 6 to be pretty.

You hear that all the time but who is it, really, who is pointing these fingers and telling you to be thinner? IMHO it's mostly the fashion industry, which is a bunch of relatively insane artists and rich people looking to make money by selling women ridiculously overpriced clothing umpteen times per year. The fashion industry is not representative of reality or of the opinions of real men. It's not our fault you listen to them.

That said, don't be fat. Fat is not attractive on anyone, male or female. Eat a balanced, healthy diet and exercise regularly. And don't be fat.


Fat is subjective. Interesting how we actually need it to LIVE.

I am what I would consider ten pounds overweight, 5'10 and 165. Mr Kiwi calls me svelte and lovely. He loves ladies with a little to squeeze. I'm proportionate but some people would call me fat, you probably would. But according to the man who loves me, I could toss back all the pizza I want. I choose to eat healthy though. I like to.

So don't go saying fat in general isn't attractive on anyone. Some fat is necessary for life, and the definition of "some" is subjective. There's a wide range. You like what you like, we'll like what we like.
 
2012-10-10 07:24:14 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


Yes and no--one of the interesting things that's been found re lap-band and gastric bypass surgery is that it does cause changes in insulin metabolism that are actually unrelated to imbibing less food--basically there's better glucagon regulation. (There have actually been people who've been cured of Type II diabetes and insulin resistance via the surgery, in a far shorter time than one would expect from weight loss alone.) We're not 100% sure how it happens, but it IS something independent of the weight loss and the inability to eat more than about six ounces of food at a setting--perhaps the surgery forces a sort of "reset" of the body's insulin metabolism.

That said--GLP1 agonists have much the same effects without the horrible risk of weight loss surgery (these are a class of type II diabetes meds that help in regulating glucagon metabolism (and were found in gila monster spit via scientists who research venom for Pharmacologically Interesting Compounds) and cause appetite reduction and (often) weight loss as a beneficial side effect. I've actually heard of some docs referring to the GLP1 agonist drugs as "lap band via lizard spit", in fact (as it's figured that lap-band and gastric bypass surgery might actually do something with GLP1 metabolism in the human body).

(Also of neat note--GLP1 agonists are about the only class of drugs used in Type II diabetes that have found any sort of use in Type I diabetes (the nasty autoimmune type) in clinical trials--in essence, the glucagon regulation effects of GLP1 agonists enable Type I diabetics to use less insulin. Not a cure, but it does mean one has to fill up the insulin pump less frequently. :D)

/Anyone who's considering lap band and at risk for Type II diabetes might wanna ask an endocrinologist re a trial of "lizard spit", just sayin'
 
2012-10-10 07:30:39 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


I'm not saying the individual is blameless in all of this, but nutritional education in North America is farking brutal. For decades, the concept that refined flours are good for us was drilled in, that low calories are all that count, that eating fat is bad, that fruit juice is healthy.

We're seeing the effects of that now. HFCS was king for a good long stretch, and it's showing. Diabetes is on the rise, obesity is everywhere.

It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.


All three of these things are driven by the brain, hard to combat, but only one is considered 'acceptable'
"Hey exhausted guy, quit falling asleep"
"Hey Alcoholic, quit drinking, you lush".
"Hey Obese guy, quit eating so much".

My naturally skinny husband can attest to the fact that I tried really farking hard to lose weight for over 10 years. I went to the gym, ran (until back pain put a stop to that), and I did Weight Watchers, low-carb diets, you name it. What I didn't know is that my pancreas has all the power of a 3-wheeled Yugo, and that that, combined with (I'll admit it) a love of carb-y food, meant that my blood sugar was swinging wildly around for 10 years before I found out about it.

My fasting blood sugar was always normal, so no one caught that these swings were happening. I'd eat, blood sugar would spike, then two hours later or so it would plummet and send the "you have to eat NOW" signal. I couldn't figure out why I was always hung ...


Interestingly (as noted before) it's now thought that GLP1 agonists (the "new hotness" in type II diabetes meds) and lap-band work rather similarly in how they help in diabetes control--GLP1 helps in regulating insulin release and glucagon, whilst gastric surgery somehow (we really don't know HOW yet) seems to do SOMETHING to GLP1 synthesis or metabolism to the point that folks who've had lap-band have been outright cured of type II diabetes. So not really surprised at this at all, to be honest.

And yes, if you're insulin-resistant, the "spike-drop" weirdness can show up as early as the 130s.
 
2012-10-10 07:49:42 PM

kiwimoogle84: Smelly Pirate Hooker: kiwimoogle84: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I know we at Fark jump at the chance to make fun of the fatties, but the article makes clear that the discount card is for people who can't or don't want to eat a ton of food at all-you-can-eat-type places. So I don't see the problem. (shrug)

Don't you have a gym to get to, submitter?

But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

I dunno. Maybe other family member just HAVE to go to Golden Corral or wherever. I think it's like accompanying an alcoholic to a bar so he/she can drink soda all night, but then, I try to be logical. Not everybody can be super-awesome like me.

I had you favorited long ago. You're rational. I like it. Keep it up.


Aw, stop it ... you're making me blush.
 
2012-10-10 07:51:11 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


I used to process big thick survey packets from patients who wanted this surgery. They were all told they would need to alter their diet after surgery. Almost all acknowledged that they understood that it would only work if they did this. Quite a few said that they would most likely not change. They still wanted the surgery. A few of those files had notes indicating that they had died due to complications with the surgery. It was always difficult for me to try and put myself in the place of the people making these decisions.
 
2012-10-10 07:52:08 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.


Not quite. If you eat the same amount (calories in vs. calories out, etc) you'll lose weight, but with the surgery, for about the first 9 months or so, the person with the surgery won't be hungry. That person will not want to eat, and eating is almost a chore. The surgery does something to a person that makes them not want to eat for a while. That's when most of the weight loss occurs. The person without the surgery will be starving, and won't be able to stay on the diet for too long without getting the munchies.

/rny - 9/11/96
// -178 lbs
 
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