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2012-10-10 01:54:42 PM  

RobDownSouth: As a person who has a gastric bypass, this is an interesting article.

The closest restaurant to my house is a Golden Corral, and my family and I used to eat there about once a month or so. I haven't gone since my bypass earlier this year, I saw no point in paying $11 or so for "all you can eat" when all I can eat is about 5-6 ounces of anything.

Literally.

If I eat more than that (it's happened twice), I double over in pain.

I've dropped 65 pounds in 4 months post-op, and I'll probably lose another 40 or so before I level off.


Good for you, man.
 
2012-10-10 01:57:37 PM  

Marisyana: kiwimoogle84: Also, personal responsibility doesn't exist anymore. If you neglect your body to the point that walking 30 steps into the grocery store pains you, you shouldn't get handicap placards. Y'all need to walk. If you have a legit medical issue I understand, but a lot of people who are hugely obese blame a "thyroid problem" and yet proceed to eat two bags of McDonald's. I have no sympathy for you.

I'm positive some people here will think I'm trolling, but I'm not. As an ex EMT, I got more calls for shortness of breath for people who weighed twice what I do. I'm going, you know why you can't breathe? BECAUSE YOUR BLOAT IS CRUSHING YOUR LUNGS!


I don't know how old you are, but I'm in my mid-forties. When I was a kid in the seventies, you rarely saw really obese people (by that I mean over 250 pounds). Now? They're everywhere. Hell, I work with about ten people who weigh over 300, and out of those there's three that have to be close to 400 and one guy who amazes me that he can even move. Watch one of those shows with enormously fat people and look at what they're eating. Pizza. Chips. Cake. Cookies. Candy. Potatoes. If they're eating meat, it's on a bun, battered and/or breaded. They're not powering down a side of beef. There is more and more evidence that sugar is just as addictive as drugs and alcohol if you have that propensity. And sugar and starch is in EVERY processed food. But it's much easier to grab McDonald's or a frozen pizza or go out to Golden Corral than to actually, you know, cook.


I'm almost 30. Mr kiwi is 40. And yes that's true, but I blame bad parenting. If a kid never tasted fries, he wouldn't throw a tantrum until Mummy gave in and got them for him. My mother wouldn't let us have dessert unless we are an EXTRA helping of veggies at dinner. We had to eat one anyway. If we wanted the reward, we had to make up for it.

With regards to my age, I'm old fashioned anyway. I'm close to the generation of spoiled kids and I despise them.

I cook every single night. I was cooking dinners for my family at 14. And yes, it is easier, but not cheaper. Also, last I checked, a subway sandwich was just as fast and cheap as Burger King.
 
2012-10-10 01:59:54 PM  
i seriously need to get into the fatty business

/recession proof
 
2012-10-10 02:00:27 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.


Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.
 
2012-10-10 02:00:38 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I know we at Fark jump at the chance to make fun of the fatties, but the article makes clear that the discount card is for people who can't or don't want to eat a ton of food at all-you-can-eat-type places. So I don't see the problem. (shrug)

Don't you have a gym to get to, submitter?

But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.


I go to buffets for the variety, yes compared to a burger they are a bit expensive, but compared to other sit down type places, they are quite reasonable.
 
2012-10-10 02:04:05 PM  

Sticky Hands: kiwimoogle84: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I know we at Fark jump at the chance to make fun of the fatties, but the article makes clear that the discount card is for people who can't or don't want to eat a ton of food at all-you-can-eat-type places. So I don't see the problem. (shrug)

Don't you have a gym to get to, submitter?

But why would a person who has had weight loss surgery go to a buffet? And they can split plates or order smaller things already. I don't see why this is necessary.

I go to buffets for the variety, yes compared to a burger they are a bit expensive, but compared to other sit down type places, they are quite reasonable.


I get that, but the way it's described, variety doesn't matter so much when you can only have a spoonful of three things, right? I don't know from personal experience, but I think if I had weight loss surgery and a family gathering was at Home Town Buffet, I'd probably eat beforehand. Probably not a thing that happens weekly I'd suppose.
 
2012-10-10 02:05:41 PM  

WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?


Completely full.

Here is how. When you get full your stomach send a message to the brain, most ignore it "to clean your plate", hence overeating. With half a stomach, you still get the signal and you cannot overeat because there are consequences if you do. You do retrain yourself to stop when you are told to.

As far as that one post about never going to a buffet, I still have a family that likes to go to one or two now and again. Why punish them? No, they are not fatties like I was
 
2012-10-10 02:06:45 PM  
Sizzler is the Domino's of steak houses.
 
2012-10-10 02:07:48 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: The memory of how horrible dumping syndrome is keeps me from overdoing it.


What is "dumping syndrome"?
 
2012-10-10 02:08:01 PM  

Piizzadude: WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?

Completely full.

Here is how. When you get full your stomach send a message to the brain, most ignore it "to clean your plate", hence overeating. With half a stomach, you still get the signal and you cannot overeat because there are consequences if you do. You do retrain yourself to stop when you are told to.

As far as that one post about never going to a buffet, I still have a family that likes to go to one or two now and again. Why punish them? No, they are not fatties like I was


So, are you saying that if someone stood over you and smacked your hand with a ruler every time you took a bite, you might be able to retrain yourself?

Just asking.. thinking of a fetish/diet business idea. Hmmmm...
 
2012-10-10 02:09:28 PM  

WeenerGord: Medic Zero: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!

Can't agree with the bolded part. I've seen quite a few failures in the ER and ICU.


What kind of failures? Infections? or ruptures from gorging?


My friend's mother died from complications from bypass surgery. Can't remember what exactly, but was surgery related, not gorging related.

Not such a csb
 
2012-10-10 02:09:44 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.


Coming from you, that is a compliment, Siri post that for you?
 
2012-10-10 02:10:22 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.


Yep. I spent about ten days touring the midwest a couple years ago. Great trip, nice folks and it's beautiful.

But it was almost impossible to find fresh veggies and fruit. Iceberg lettuce and baked potatoes were about it.

Don't get me wrong - I'd enjoy gorging on meat and fried stuff. But I dropped 110 lbs. a few years back and am keeping it off by not eating this stuff. I do now and then while keeping an eye on calories or fasting the day after.

I lost the weight by putting down the fork.
 
2012-10-10 02:10:55 PM  

protectyourlimbs: Sybarite: If you're eating at the Golden Corral buffet, I'm pretty sure you haven't actually addressed the issues that made you fat in the first place.

HEY!


Leaving satisfied!

/burp
 
2012-10-10 02:11:22 PM  

WeenerGord: CheetahOlivetti: The memory of how horrible dumping syndrome is keeps me from overdoing it.

What is "dumping syndrome"?


There are 2 kinds. Well for me there was.

Eating too much sugar caused and issue at one end, and eating too much caused me to throw up. Took awhile to learn new boundaries.
 
2012-10-10 02:13:15 PM  

Piizzadude: Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

Coming from you, that is a compliment, Siri post that for you?

 
2012-10-10 02:14:55 PM  
Wouldn't it be cheaper and less risky to just pay someone to punch you in the gut every time you ate too much?

kiwimoogle84: I'm almost 30. Mr kiwi is 40. And yes that's true, but I blame bad parenting. If a kid never tasted fries, he wouldn't throw a tantrum until Mummy gave in and got them for him. My mother wouldn't let us have dessert unless we are an EXTRA helping of veggies at dinner. We had to eat one anyway. If we wanted the reward, we had to make up for it.


The only issue with this course of action is it firmly establishes vegetables as "the stuff you have to eat to get the stuff you actually want." Which means the moment you have freedom, you go "fark the vegetables, I don't have to eat them now." The amount of time it took me to realize I actually LIKE vegetables is a bit embarrassing; I was just used to viewing them as an obstacle.
 
2012-10-10 02:15:27 PM  

strapp3r: i seriously need to get into the fatty business

/recession proof


Combine that with a tatto removal business and you'll be laughing all the way to the bank!
 
2012-10-10 02:15:33 PM  

WeenerGord: So all you guys with the surgery...when you can only eat a few ounces...do you still feel hungry?

Do you feel hungry, and frustrated that there is nothing you can do about it?

Or do you now feel full and satisfied after a couple ounces of food?


I had the surgery that was popular back in '89. It was called gastric segmentation at the time, and its similar to the lap band but not adjustable. I started at 428lbs, and fairly quickly lost down to 230lbs. The doc said I'd likely never get below 250 due to my frame/metabolism etc.

The simple answer to your question is, sometimes you do still feel hungry. Yes, sometimes its quite frustrating when your body is telling you that you need food and you can't eat it. Satisfied isn't the word I would use, even when I felt full. It was more like "If I eat anything else I'm going to puke." I liken it to surgically induced bulimia unless you eat the small portions.

Here's the scarier part. Eventually, your body will adjust. You'll stop losing, you'll be able to eat more than you did originally, and lo and behold, the weight starts to come back. As a result, in 2008 or so I was back up to 380lbs or so. After I saw it getting out of hand again, I decided to take a more healthy approach and start using the Weight Watcher points system, as well as add a regular walking schedule. The crazy thing is that because my surgery still affects how I can eat, I had to really work towards eating what Weight Watchers told me was my normal daily intake. After the first 2 weeks, I had actually gained a couple of pounds. I dropped my points to what my much thinner wife was allotted and started slowly loosing again.

I guess the bottom line is that you do have to change your habits. The surgeries are a quick (and sometimes dangerous) fix, and only a tool for initial weight loss. Your body is more adaptive than you can imagine. I don't know anyone who had the surgery that lost it and kept everything off without a serious lifestyle change. Even then, its rare in my experience.

Best of luck to the former fatty marathon running farkers who have had success with the surgery. I do hope for the best for you and all those struggling with being healthy.
 
2012-10-10 02:16:53 PM  

Nick Nostril: Gravy pipe? Deep fried whole pumpkins?


Thank you for this post.
 
2012-10-10 02:17:13 PM  

Marisyana: Pizza. Chips. Cake. Cookies. Candy. Potatoes


Potatoes are actually pretty healthy, if you don't drown them in butter and gravy
 
2012-10-10 02:17:14 PM  
Shooter! Wanna go to the sizzler and catch some grub?
 
2012-10-10 02:20:05 PM  

MikeyistheDevil: I guess the bottom line is that you do have to change your habits. The surgeries are a quick (and sometimes dangerous) fix, and only a tool for initial weight loss. Your body is more adaptive than you can imagine. I don't know anyone who had the surgery that lost it and kept everything off without a serious lifestyle change. Even then, its rare in my experience.


This! It is only a tool. You can eat through it. You can end up with a full stomach and a half.

i was never a fan of the lap band. It is safer, but far less effective.
 
2012-10-10 02:20:25 PM  

Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.


You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.
 
2012-10-10 02:20:38 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Wouldn't it be cheaper and less risky to just pay someone to punch you in the gut every time you ate too much?

kiwimoogle84: I'm almost 30. Mr kiwi is 40. And yes that's true, but I blame bad parenting. If a kid never tasted fries, he wouldn't throw a tantrum until Mummy gave in and got them for him. My mother wouldn't let us have dessert unless we are an EXTRA helping of veggies at dinner. We had to eat one anyway. If we wanted the reward, we had to make up for it.

The only issue with this course of action is it firmly establishes vegetables as "the stuff you have to eat to get the stuff you actually want." Which means the moment you have freedom, you go "fark the vegetables, I don't have to eat them now." The amount of time it took me to realize I actually LIKE vegetables is a bit embarrassing; I was just used to viewing them as an obstacle.


I liked them anyway, and have chosen to freely eat them as an adult. It helped that my mom prepared them in a way that made them delicious, not just opening a can of something and heating it up, or boiling to death. All three of us love veggies. We just had to have more for sake of the "I'm full but I want dessert" argument.
 
2012-10-10 02:20:51 PM  

WeenerGord: Marisyana: Pizza. Chips. Cake. Cookies. Candy. Potatoes

Potatoes are actually pretty healthy, if you don't drown them in butter and gravy


Unless you're big and fat and have diabeetus. Then they're poison.
 
2012-10-10 02:23:07 PM  

Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?


THIS

I always feel like I am getting ripped off at buffets to cover for the gorging fat asses, so I don't go...(except maybe a decent Chinese buffet where I can get carry out and parlay two or three meals out of it).
 
2012-10-10 02:23:26 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Well I use Mac/Linux...: These gastric bypass and lap band surgeries have to be the laziest shiat I've ever heard of. I can't stop gorging myself and can't be bothered with exercise, so let me have an operation to shrink my stomach so I no longer have to eat 8 servings before I feel full. fark all you lazy assholes that jack up people's health insurance because we have to pay for your fat asses.

I thought this was a net positive for health insurance because most of these people do lose weight and don't get the weight-related diseases later in life?


Nope. It causes them to live longer. Everyone dies but if you do it sooner less money is spent delaying it.
 
2012-10-10 02:23:33 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.


Actually, no, he's not. I live in Indiana now after having lived in California all my life. Finding healthy veggies on menus out in most places is like yanking teeth. I agree with this statement. And a lot of people do use it as an excuse.
 
2012-10-10 02:23:40 PM  

Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely love how all the gastric bypass surgery does forcefully encourage people to eat less. And it's incredibly effective.

You can get the same benefit, for free, by simply eating the same amount you'd eat if you'd had the surgery.

But no, no, it's a medical condition and I've tried every diet and nothing works! Unless you cut out my stomach so I can't eat and am forced to follow a diet - then everything works great!


I'm not saying the individual is blameless in all of this, but nutritional education in North America is farking brutal. For decades, the concept that refined flours are good for us was drilled in, that low calories are all that count, that eating fat is bad, that fruit juice is healthy.

We're seeing the effects of that now. HFCS was king for a good long stretch, and it's showing. Diabetes is on the rise, obesity is everywhere.

It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.


All three of these things are driven by the brain, hard to combat, but only one is considered 'acceptable'
"Hey exhausted guy, quit falling asleep"
"Hey Alcoholic, quit drinking, you lush".
"Hey Obese guy, quit eating so much".


Looking back, I see that my post was probably more trollish than I had intended.

Except in extreme cases - I'm all about the ends (not the means). I think we can all agree there are unfortunate downsides to being obese and I'm happy whenever someone who doesn't want to be obese manages to not be obese. If it means surgery - cool (ignoring things like who pays for it - that's another debate).

But, I actually find all three of your statements to be perfectly acceptable. If I'm at work and some sleepy guy keeps trying to go to sleep, I would tell him 'Hey - stop that'. And if someone drinks too much, I think 'drinking less' really is the key.
 
2012-10-10 02:24:22 PM  

blatz514: Shooter! Wanna go to the sizzler and catch some grub?


THAT's what I came in here for. Took y'all long enough...
 
2012-10-10 02:24:45 PM  

kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.



I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?
 
2012-10-10 02:26:00 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Yep. I spent about ten days touring the midwest a couple years ago. Great trip, nice folks and it's beautiful.

But it was almost impossible to find fresh veggies and fruit. Iceberg lettuce and baked potatoes were about it.

Don't get me wrong - I'd enjoy gorging on meat and fried stuff. But I dropped 110 lbs. a few years back and am keeping it off by not eating this stuff. I do now and then while keeping an eye on calories or fasting the day after.

I lost the weight by putting down the fork.


That's awesome! That is the next step for me. I hate counting calories but need to lose a few pounds if I'm going to reach my goal of finishing a marathon next year (with a decent time).
 
2012-10-10 02:27:03 PM  

MilesTeg: Helena Handbasket: Where is my discount for being healthfully thin and not eating nearly as much as the fatass at the next table over?

THIS

I always feel like I am getting ripped off at buffets to cover for the gorging fat asses, so I don't go...(except maybe a decent Chinese buffet where I can get carry out and parlay two or three meals out of it).


Same here. We have the "AYCE" fish frys here. Never do it 'cause I'm full after 3 pieces.
 
2012-10-10 02:27:30 PM  

Beanlet: And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.


I'm in my mid-thirties; had always been (from 12yo on) a size 6-8 with nice curves to match, as soon as I hit 30yo I lost 25 pounds out of nowhere and now size 4s are a bit too comfy. My mother and older sisters did the same thing.

We're all different.
 
2012-10-10 02:28:38 PM  
For everyone wondering where their discount is for being thin, here you go;

It's 50% off your tab.

Order one meal, split it with your companion. That's what Mrs. Tanvulva and I do.
 
2012-10-10 02:29:02 PM  

2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?


No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again
 
2012-10-10 02:30:35 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Beanlet: And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.

I'm in my mid-thirties; had always been (from 12yo on) a size 6-8 with nice curves to match, as soon as I hit 30yo I lost 25 pounds out of nowhere and now size 4s are a bit too comfy. My mother and older sisters did the same thing.

We're all different.


My mom is the same way. Kind of a bell curve. Teeny thing, 5'3 and 110 until she had three kids, then was 125 forever. About 40 she got up to 135ish and size 8, then at 50, right at menopause, she's back at 115ish for no reason.

Me, I counteract my father's side of the family genes. Everyone is tall and svelte until about 30, then the pounds pile on, and so do the heart attacks and diabetes. I'm going to be down 10 lbs by Christmas- I have a plan :)
 
2012-10-10 02:30:45 PM  

Beanlet: Had a third child in my 30s, metabolism slowed down, had a lot of medical issues.

Long story, but I gained weight after the pregnancy, about 30 lbs, and haven't been able to lose it. I am considered overweight for my height and have gotten comments about being a fatty (I am a size 12, marilyn monroe was a 14).

Reason I post this.. I have been on both sides of this issue and know it isn't as simple as a lot of people believe. Putting down the fork is not everyone's problem, even if it is some people's. We come in all shapes and sizes, we all have different metabolisms. Eating the exact same amount I did when I was in my early 30s would have me tipping the "omg, let's cut out the wall to get her out of the house" scale.

And last, just because you are a skinny kid/teen/young adult, this does not mean you will remain skinny your whole life. And it is difficult to suddenly need to change a lifetime of habits. The person you judge may have been just as thin, or even more thin than you at one point. We don't need to be reminded to put down the fork. It doesn't help and just makes you look like a judgemental prick.



Not to be a prick but it sounds like you are contradicting yourself here. Sounds like if you COULD put down the fork it WOULD solve your problem. Yes, it can be difficult to discover in middle age that you can't eat like you used to when your metabolism was different. Welcome to the club, you are not the first person this has happened to. It's difficult for most of them, that's why some resort to surgery. The end result of the surgery is simply to force them to put down the fork. Of course more exercise and vegetables is also an option.

Don't call someone a judgmental prick for telling you the truth that you have not yet been able to accept about yourself. Someone could just as easily call you a stuck up arttention whore for bragging about how skinny you used to be, and comparing yourself to "marilyn monroe"
 
2012-10-10 02:32:26 PM  

kiwimoogle84: I'm going to be down 10 lbs by Christmas- I have a plan :)


:) Good luck! Not that you need it...
 
2012-10-10 02:35:59 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: kiwimoogle84: I'm going to be down 10 lbs by Christmas- I have a plan :)

:) Good luck! Not that you need it...


Oh see, the trouble with loving to cook is new recipes that need trying. (Theres so much you can do with cream sauces!) I'm taking a few pages from a vegan friend's blog and just adding lean proteins to it. Ditching everything else though.

And just for the record, globe grapes are magnificently delicious and serve as my dessert. Om nom nom.
 
2012-10-10 02:36:00 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.

Actually, no, he's not. I live in Indiana now after having lived in California all my life. Finding healthy veggies on menus out in most places is like yanking teeth. I agree with this statement. And a lot of people do use it as an excuse.


I apply the troll tag to people who just come in and poop on a thread without offering a solution. "It's your fault you're fat" when the situation is more complicated than that = troll in my book. YMMV.
 
2012-10-10 02:36:30 PM  

Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again




I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!
 
2012-10-10 02:39:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: blatz514: Shooter! Wanna go to the sizzler and catch some grub?

THAT's what I came in here for. Took y'all long enough...


You're welcome.
 
2012-10-10 02:40:26 PM  
I can never finish restaurant-sized portions of food, and sometimes it's just not practical to take half of it home (like, if I'm not going straight home afterward, leaving the food to sit in my car for hours). Why can't I pay less for a smaller sized portion that I can actually eat? Where's my incentive to continue eating right?

Instead of having special children's or senior's menus (or gastric bypass discounts), restaurants should have a "small portions" section of their menu, or offer smaller servings of regular menu items (when they're practical to downsize). I've occasionally seen restaurants offer "half size" pastas and salads, but only charge like $1 less and still too much food goes to waste.
 
2012-10-10 02:41:16 PM  

WeenerGord: CheetahOlivetti: The memory of how horrible dumping syndrome is keeps me from overdoing it.

What is "dumping syndrome"?


Think of it as sugar being dumped in your bloodstream. If I eat too much carbs or sugary foods, I'll feel like complete shiat for about 2 hours. Nausea, heart-pounding, sweating, etc. I don't usually throw up (or worse), but I did once. That was the half a milkshake episode. Never again.

I have a very tiny stomach, and not much of a barrier between my stomach and my small intestine, so everything immediately starts to get digested as soon as I eat it. This is great if I'm running and I need a quick Gu gel boost or water (no waiting, no sloshing), but not so good when I'm sitting at the dinner table. So not only do I have to eat small portions, I have to space out my eating to give my digestive system time to deal with what I've eaten.
 
2012-10-10 02:43:05 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: kiwimoogle84: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Obama4Life: Hebalo: Fark_Guy_Rob:
It's easy to say "stop eating things that are bad for you", but when the majority of the country is overweight to obese, it's clearly not working.

Now granted some obesity can be written off as genetics, but those people are the minority. Obesity can be controlled with diet and exercise, but most people don't want to put forth the effort

Sometimes, your location can make the diet part a little harder than I think it should be.

I just got back from a short vacation in a flyover state I'd never visited before. I was shocked at the menus at the local restaurants and the selection at the local markets. Iceberg lettuce and pink, artificially ripened tomatoes were the only non-fried vegetable options (I suppose I could've ordered the fried zucchini and removed the breading). Yes, they're probably responding to demand--and years of tradition and habits that are hard to break--but it creates a problem for those who do want to change their diets.

Anything can be done. It's just we're too busy looking for excuses, rather than options.

You're a troll. Got it. Moving on.

Actually, no, he's not. I live in Indiana now after having lived in California all my life. Finding healthy veggies on menus out in most places is like yanking teeth. I agree with this statement. And a lot of people do use it as an excuse.

I apply the troll tag to people who just come in and poop on a thread without offering a solution. "It's your fault you're fat" when the situation is more complicated than that = troll in my book. YMMV.


Actually, that's the opposite of what he said, and what he said was relevant to the article. He said a lot of locations like the Midwest, who have some of the highest obesity rates in America, just deep fry everything because its what they do out here. It's true. Therefore it's ingrained into portions of society and people need to make better choices for themselves, but it's hard when this is all you're offered.

I apply troll to people who just come in, say something just to ignite anger and tempers, and laugh at the bites. Which isn't the case here.
 
2012-10-10 02:43:15 PM  

2KanZam: Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???



Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again



I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!


In some cases, yes. With the surgery I had, there was a condition called "band migration" where your stomach would literally grow over the band, and push it inside. Usually passing harmlessly though your digestive system, but leaving your stomach like it was to begin with.
 
2012-10-10 02:43:36 PM  

2KanZam: Piizzadude: 2KanZam: kiwimoogle84: And don't get me started on the girlfriend of mine who complained she was fat but then proceeded to tell me she didn't like vegetables, and orders a "salad" with lettuce, bacon, crispy chicken, and five kinds of cheese, and drowns it in ranch dressing.


I got a 350 lb buddy who occaissionally will diet exactly like that. Then gets all frustrated that he can't lose weight???

As someone one up the line said, your body adapts. Yes, you can re-stretch it back to normal+ size. You cannot just bust it out, but stretch it out a little at a time. Within 6 months you can go from the size of an egg to the size of your fist

Ok, there seem to be a few on here but...

Everyone I "know" that has had gastric bypass lost a fair amount of weight at first, but when I see them a year or two later they look just like they did before the surgery...fat.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

No I went to a support group for a time being when i was getting my surgery. I would say that a fair amount, 50%+ went back to their old ways. They ended up where they started or worse.

The key is to learn and to have the right mindset to start with. One of the farkers said that the surgery doesnt cure the cause in the first place. THis is true.

I flew through my approval process BUT I think it needs to be more stringent.

Mandatory year long dieting with some progress.
Mandatory counseling
Mandatory educational treatment

then lets see what happens. The people who have kept it off are the determined ones, the ones who hated how they were and never want to feel that way again



I guess I don't get how it's even possible to get back to that weight. Does the stomach really stretch back out to it's normal size and revert to it's normal functioning?

I just don't see how you wouldn't burst a seam doing it!?!


Nope it stretches back out. It is a gradual process and one you have to be aware of. Overeating once won't cause an issue, overeating all the time will.
 
2012-10-10 02:43:48 PM  

KierzanDax: "We Goin' To Sizzler! We Goin' To Sizzler!"


"Shut your anorexic, malnutrition, tapeworm-havin, overdosed on Dick Gregory diet drinkin' @$$ up!"
 
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