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2012-10-10 01:29:27 PM

Pocket Ninja: LasersHurt: How they manage 3 or 4 without it being just dick to dick in there eludes me.

Dude, you don't stand face to face. You stand in a line, face to back, and then when the person up front is sufficiently wet enough to soap up, he steps off to one side, flattens himself (chest first) against the shower wall, and sidles along it until he has reached the back of the line. Then the second person steps up and repeats the process, then the third. It's basically an assembly line approach that mitigates any dick to dick contact. Because, let's be serious, that would be a little gay.



You know, there's just no substitute for experience. Right, PN?
 
2012-10-10 01:30:27 PM
Dear Abby, I never thought something like this would hapen to me. Last weekend my 18 year old step daughter came home from college with 3 really hot girlfriends. They were sitting around drinking a few beers when one of them suggested they move to the hot tub. And, wouldn't you know, they didn't have swimsuits. They told me I could stay with them as long as I promised not to peek.... I'll be in my bunk
 
2012-10-10 01:46:20 PM
thumbs.anyclip.com 

Hurts so good...
 
2012-10-10 01:53:36 PM

Generation_D: I swear they make these letters up. Or the public does, to troll and get theirs in the paper / on the website.


The worst offender of made-up advice is Dear Prudie. It offends me that this obvious fiction is frequently greenlit.
 
2012-10-10 01:55:15 PM

BullBearMS: PallMall: BullBearMS: Weird things happen when young people grow up with the attitude that "If I were gay, I'd come right out and say it, cause it's not that big a deal."

Well, weird for those of us who grew up worried that someone might think we were gay.

If you grew up worrying that someone might think you're gay... maybe it's because you're gay - and still in the closet.

Well, research has shown that the homophobic "straight" guys are the ones whose wieners chub up when shown gay porn.

It's the non-homophobic straight guys who are unexcited by it.

One study asked heterosexual men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos.

When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise. 

As I've mentioned before, some guys are pretty secure in their heterosexuality.


Thanks to you, today I learned about the penile plethysmograph.
www.skepdic.com
♪ The more you know♪
 
2012-10-10 01:56:34 PM
My dreams have come true. You know, when I first read this letter, I thought, wouldn't it be awesome if it made it to Fark, because it just seems like the proverbial field day would be had. And sho 'nuff ...

And to Clueless Dad, I'd have to say the lads are gay, or at least gays-in-training. Or the type who'll jack each other off and say, "It's not gay as along as we're not thinking about EACH OTHER when we do it, but just to help my buddies think about girls." (Which of course, means gay. The small stall is like a dare. How close can we get without severely bonering up?)

C'mon, boys, it's 2012. Except for four-fifths of the Republican party, you have nothing to be afraid of by coming out. Heck, you might get a movie deal ...
 
2012-10-10 02:14:25 PM

Walker: Yeah, America (and the world) seem to be getting more prudish. Even over in Europe less men wear speedos than they used to, when just a few years ago you were the outcast if you DIDN'T wear a speedo. More covering up, more "don't look at my wee wee" stuff going on everywhere.


It could also be that board shorts (or tighter, shorter brief styles) look better than speedos on just about everyone...even super ripped guys.
 
2012-10-10 02:17:41 PM
depends on who your son is friends with....

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2012-10-10 02:19:14 PM
It is pretty obviously gay, and I think that is what Abby should have actually discussed. i.e. yes, your son(s) might be gay, but they're at an age where if that is what they are you're just going to have to accept it.

But yeah, probably a troll letter.
 
2012-10-10 02:20:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-10 02:24:20 PM

HortusMatris: Thanks to you, today I learned about the penile plethysmograph.


Not to be confused with a penile plesiosaur, as I learned to my great dismay.
 
2012-10-10 02:38:14 PM

HailRobonia: penile plesiosaur


[GIS penile plesiosaur...]
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-10 02:40:28 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Lots of dudes in here reinforcing the myth that teh gheys are pedophiles.

/rhythmic slapping sound


Pedophilia = pre-puberty

You might not be allowed to do anything with 16- and 17-year-olds, but it isn't pedophilic to be attracted to them.
 
2012-10-10 02:51:23 PM

Pocket Ninja: LasersHurt: How they manage 3 or 4 without it being just dick to dick in there eludes me.

Dude, you don't stand face to face. You stand in a line, face to back, and then when the person up front is sufficiently wet enough to soap up, he steps off to one side, flattens himself (chest first) against the shower wall, and sidles along it until he has reached the back of the line. Then the second person steps up and repeats the process, then the third. It's basically an assembly line approach that mitigates any dick to dick contact. Because, let's be serious, that would be a little gay.


Everyone knows that! The part you missed was with hair washing. Generally the guy in front will get down on his knees and turn around so that the person behind him can help him lather up his hair with shampoo, running fingers through the person's hair from back to front, back to front. Then conditioning with a similar motion and ample application of cream conditioner.
 
BHK
2012-10-10 02:58:09 PM
I go to the gym every day, and after a workout, I hit the showers. I'm definitely on the modest side and prefer to use a towel to cover myself except when within the shower itself. I prefer it when other men do the same. I find that most people around my age group seem to have the same preference, and so I find that the best time to go to the gym is very early in the morning when my age group - the 30-50 ages - are about the only people there. Younger people don't attend my gym, much, as it's a bit expensive and there's a 24 hour meet market nearby. During the mid-day, the older men come in and run around naked as jaybirds, with all of the flab, low hanging "fruit" and wrinkles hanging out. It's really pretty gross, but I realize that they are products of their generation and probably didn't use towels in elementary school but were comfortable naked around other boys. The conclusion is that this article means that people of my age in 50 years will have to put up with people like those young people today who are comfortable being naked, but will be old and wrinkly.
 
2012-10-10 03:07:36 PM
Dear Stumped,

Your son is gay and you're a farking idiot.
 
2012-10-10 03:10:18 PM

HailRobonia: HortusMatris: Thanks to you, today I learned about the penile plethysmograph.

Not to be confused with a penile plesiosaur


i47.tinypic.com

Penile Plesiosaurs
 
2012-10-10 03:15:26 PM

billybobtoo: I was gay so it was heaven for me.


...and now your not gay? Or recovering? This thread is kinda dangerous...
 
2012-10-10 03:17:54 PM

dj_spanmaster: Kids will actually listen to advertising sometimes. (with SFW video)


I read that as "with SFW dildo...".
 
2012-10-10 03:18:39 PM
 
2012-10-10 03:19:29 PM

billybobtoo: High school swim class was no swimsuits for the boys...This was in 1960's. I was gay so it was heaven for me. Plus you could see who had the biggest equipment and compare it to your own. Snapping each other asses with the tips of wet towels....Delightful!


I had a different experience. As a gay kid I was terrified of being "caught looking" so I avoided naked
 
2012-10-10 03:20:04 PM
I meant to say "avoided naked situations as much as possible."
 
2012-10-10 03:20:25 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: HailRobonia: HortusMatris: Thanks to you, today I learned about the penile plethysmograph.

Not to be confused with a penile plesiosaur

[i47.tinypic.com image 700x440]

Penile Plesiosaurs


That's about what I expected, but the first thing Google pulled up for me was Pokémon porn. Goddam Rule #34.
 
2012-10-10 03:23:12 PM

topcon: I played football for one year in highschool (1990's,) no one ever got a shower afterward, you waited until you got home.. I was in many, many gym classes, and no one ever got showers then, either. I used to go running with friends, or playing raquetball...we never had a group shower.

There's no way that's typical. I'd almost think the letter is fake. Heterosexual male teenagers aren't taking showers with each other at home, in a home-style shower. In my personal experience, as stated above, I never even saw anyone using proper group showers together.

And anyone who goes to a public gym knows, speaking as a male, anyway...who is the one group of people who are always naked in the bathroom? SENIOR CITIZENS. Even when changing stalls are available, like at the gym I go to, and used by everyone else, 75 year old dudes will walk around the bathroom naked. They're literally the only ones that do.


Except for the naked old dudes (those are universal) I have had the exact opposite experience. Vast open showers from middle school on for football, swimming, wrestling. More of the same in Army barracks.

Different areas are different I guess.

///3-4 teenage boys in a typical household shower is possibly the gayest thing in history. NTTAWWT.
 
2012-10-10 03:30:19 PM

Shazam999: TNel: Shazam999: umad: There is a small difference between four dudes using four seperate showers and four dudes cramming themselves into a bathtub to share the same one. Gay or straight, this guy's kids are farking weirdos.

My sister and her friends used to do this too. I think she was bi-curious but she told me later on that she is flat out straight.

Don't leave us hanging we need more details here.

And this thread proves how much of a god Pocket Ninja is.

My sister is a little too much TMI, but I don't feel right describing everything she's told me.

She's had sex with some of her girlfriends, if that's what you're wondering.


Do go on!
 
2012-10-10 03:32:16 PM
But they're helping to save water!
 
2012-10-10 03:47:43 PM

fireclown: Nurglitch: As someone with fond memories of fooling around with his soapy team-mates in the shower after swim-practice, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Giggity

Things like that make you sound gay.


Nothing gets past you. :)
 
2012-10-10 03:56:05 PM

Nurglitch: fireclown: Nurglitch: As someone with fond memories of fooling around with his soapy team-mates in the shower after swim-practice, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Giggity

Things like that make you sound gay.

Nothing gets past you. :)


Favorite'd - Pink List
 
2012-10-10 04:14:19 PM
Teen girls in the shower = awesome

Teen dudes in the shower = farking gross

Just most everyone's opinion of course.
 
2012-10-10 04:17:33 PM

notatrollorami: topcon: I played football for one year in highschool (1990's,) no one ever got a shower afterward, you waited until you got home.. I was in many, many gym classes, and no one ever got showers then, either. I used to go running with friends, or playing raquetball...we never had a group shower.

There's no way that's typical. I'd almost think the letter is fake. Heterosexual male teenagers aren't taking showers with each other at home, in a home-style shower. In my personal experience, as stated above, I never even saw anyone using proper group showers together.

And anyone who goes to a public gym knows, speaking as a male, anyway...who is the one group of people who are always naked in the bathroom? SENIOR CITIZENS. Even when changing stalls are available, like at the gym I go to, and used by everyone else, 75 year old dudes will walk around the bathroom naked. They're literally the only ones that do.

Except for the naked old dudes (those are universal) I have had the exact opposite experience. Vast open showers from middle school on for football, swimming, wrestling. More of the same in Army barracks.

Different areas are different I guess.

///3-4 teenage boys in a typical household shower is possibly the gayest thing in history. NTTAWWT.


There is a difference between choosing to do it and having to do it. If you need a quick shower after a game or between classes and don't want to wait and have only an open shower available, then obviously that is what you do. However, for example at my gym there are guys that will go into the sink area and dry their hair using the hand dryers and do this while naked. At that point it is a very weird choice as it is an extended period of unnecessary nudity in close quarters including being bent over to get their head under the dryer.

I'll shower in open shower too when necessary, but I going out of your way to hang out in an open shower is definitely suspect.

One thing that people often miss when talking about orientation is that it isn't just about attraction, but also about aversion. I know gay guys who are seriously repulsed about the idea of having sex with a woman, and certainly I cringe when seeing a naked guy. This isn't a case of "protesting too much", rather the aversion simply works like the attraction -- a visceral response. The same almost irresistible urge that makes a guy turn his head to watch a girl go by also makes him avert his head when a guy goes by. This makes sense as the aversion is the more important part of your orientation (evolution-wise) since if you didn't have the aversion then you would tend to couple with the people most accessible and familiar (which would be same sex).
 
2012-10-10 04:22:24 PM
I thought that that male friends used to regularly wrestle nude, as a matter of course.
At least, if you read literature from Victorian times.
 
2012-10-10 04:22:58 PM
BullBearMS:
It's the non-homophobic straight guys who are unexcited by it.

One study asked heterosexual men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos.

When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

As I've mentioned before, some guys are pretty secure in their heterosexuality.


I've wondered, how did that study control for "straight" guys who were not homophobic, but were also not 100% straight? Wouldn't they get aroused by the gay imagery too?
 
2012-10-10 04:39:27 PM

Mark Ratner: They also "air dry" after showers by walking around in towels. While I'm glad they are comfortable with their bodies and who they are, it still bothers me somewhat. Am I being a prude in thinking this is unusual or inappropriate?

No dude. Totally normal and not gay at all. nttawwt
[relaunch.newnownext.com image 500x300]
Just like this movie is not gay at all whatsoever


Swordfight! (nsfw language)
 
2012-10-10 04:49:31 PM

jabelar: There is a difference between choosing to do it and having to do it. If you need a quick shower after a game or between classes and don't want to wait and have only an open shower available, then obviously that is what you do. However, for example at my gym there are guys that will go into the sink area and dry their hair using the hand dryers and do this while naked. At that point it is a very weird choice as it is an extended period of unnecessary nudity in close quarters including being bent over to get their head under the dryer.

I'll shower in open shower too when necessary, but I going out of your way to hang out in an open shower is definitely suspect.


I take off all my clothes, use the scale naked, shave naked, use the toilet naked...

NAKED!
 
2012-10-10 04:51:50 PM

Shazam999: jabelar: There is a difference between choosing to do it and having to do it. If you need a quick shower after a game or between classes and don't want to wait and have only an open shower available, then obviously that is what you do. However, for example at my gym there are guys that will go into the sink area and dry their hair using the hand dryers and do this while naked. At that point it is a very weird choice as it is an extended period of unnecessary nudity in close quarters including being bent over to get their head under the dryer.

I'll shower in open shower too when necessary, but I going out of your way to hang out in an open shower is definitely suspect.

I take off all my clothes, use the scale naked, shave naked, use the toilet naked...

NAKED!


what do you (gulp) umm.. shave naked?
 
2012-10-10 04:53:06 PM

No Such Agency: BullBearMS:
It's the non-homophobic straight guys who are unexcited by it.

One study asked heterosexual men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos.

When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

As I've mentioned before, some guys are pretty secure in their heterosexuality.

I've wondered, how did that study control for "straight" guys who were not homophobic, but were also not 100% straight? Wouldn't they get aroused by the gay imagery too?


The study only looked at men who self identified as heterosexual. I guess the bisexuals would be as capable of lying as the homophobic "straights".
 
2012-10-10 05:11:27 PM

kvinesknows: Shazam999: jabelar: There is a difference between choosing to do it and having to do it. If you need a quick shower after a game or between classes and don't want to wait and have only an open shower available, then obviously that is what you do. However, for example at my gym there are guys that will go into the sink area and dry their hair using the hand dryers and do this while naked. At that point it is a very weird choice as it is an extended period of unnecessary nudity in close quarters including being bent over to get their head under the dryer.

I'll shower in open shower too when necessary, but I going out of your way to hang out in an open shower is definitely suspect.

I take off all my clothes, use the scale naked, shave naked, use the toilet naked...

NAKED!

what do you (gulp) umm.. shave naked?


his 'friend' bruce's scrotum.
 
2012-10-10 05:55:57 PM

Nurglitch: As someone with fond memories of fooling around with his soapy team-mates in the shower after swim-practice, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Giggity


. . . Now I'm jealous . . . and I'm going back to my bunk again.
 
2012-10-10 06:09:22 PM
allieiswired.com
 
2012-10-10 06:35:03 PM

Slaxl: stonicus: I wonder about the legality of it all... he admits he has one son who is 17 and one who is 18.
If any of the friends are 18+, then they're a naked adult showering with a naked minor (the 17 year old). If all the friends are 17 or less, than the 18 year old brother is guilty of being naked with a naked minor. This all sounds highly illegal.

Actually what you describe perfectly sums up why the law is terrible. If a 17 year old boy and an 18 year old boy want to fark then they shouldn't be leaving broken laws in their wake.


Actually most states have a "Romeo and Juliet" exception (that's the term for it) in their statutory rape laws: Two or three years apart in age, and the younger of the two is older than 14, and its okey-dokey.
 
2012-10-10 06:50:13 PM
I know someone who was a high school swimmer in the 60s. Certainly not gay or even bi-curious in any way. I was shocked to learn that his swim team regular practiced nakedly. He doesn't think it's weird at all, but he also doesn't have a sense of nostalgia or camaraderie about that or about showering with others. I guess for some guys it's not uncomfortable to be around lots of naked men.
 
2012-10-10 06:54:30 PM
I haven't read all the posts, only the first few, but two conclusions are easily reached:

The post is a fake

Pocket Ninja is a farking genius. Seriously brilliant.
 
2012-10-10 07:09:03 PM

kvinesknows: Shazam999: jabelar: There is a difference between choosing to do it and having to do it. If you need a quick shower after a game or between classes and don't want to wait and have only an open shower available, then obviously that is what you do. However, for example at my gym there are guys that will go into the sink area and dry their hair using the hand dryers and do this while naked. At that point it is a very weird choice as it is an extended period of unnecessary nudity in close quarters including being bent over to get their head under the dryer.

I'll shower in open shower too when necessary, but I going out of your way to hang out in an open shower is definitely suspect.

I take off all my clothes, use the scale naked, shave naked, use the toilet naked...

NAKED!

what do you (gulp) umm.. shave naked?


Only the balls. You have to tweeze the hairs off the shaft.
 
2012-10-10 07:09:47 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-10 07:14:48 PM
I can't be the first to think of this:

www.midwestsportsfans.com
 
2012-10-10 07:21:47 PM

BoxOfBees: I know someone who was a high school swimmer in the 60s. Certainly not gay or even bi-curious in any way. I was shocked to learn that his swim team regular practiced nakedly. He doesn't think it's weird at all, but he also doesn't have a sense of nostalgia or camaraderie about that or about showering with others. I guess for some guys it's not uncomfortable to be around lots of naked men.


yeah.. but I will bet money they never stood 4 people in a normal shower
 
2012-10-10 07:46:53 PM

Pocket Ninja: Cythraul: What about dick to ass contact?

Well, I mean, come on. There might be some minor brushing of penis against buttock every now and then, but that's more a function of any one individual's, ahem, endowment than anything else. I mean, if you're swinging around a whiffle bat, you might hit something every now and then, but it's not normally a problem as long as you maintain a somewhat respectful distance. Someone very concerned might take the tuck and hold approach, you know, like that Bill guy from Silence of the Lambs, but there is a minor problem there of little cyclops peeking out at the guy behind you the whole time, which, yeah, I guess is a little strange. That would be OK for the guy in the very back, though, I guess.


If this is a case of 'dress rear' to keep distance - does it become an 'Elephant Walk'?
 
2012-10-10 08:29:29 PM

biyaaatci: SueDisco: I have two adult (27ish) male friends who do this, both straight. They've been friends since middle school, and have been showering together a long time. When questioned, they look at us like we're the ones who are completely crazy. One explained it as a holdover from his days as a college soccer player, but I would think that's more of a large group shower thing, not a "Hey, let's jump in this normal sized shower together." They've jumped in the shower (and the tub) together on large group trips as well. Just like the article, we can hear them laughing and chatting in there.

None of us can wrap our heads around it.

They are gay.


Yes. They are gay and you just might be a "fag-hag". Or they might think you are.
 
2012-10-10 08:48:54 PM

SphericalTime: Nurglitch: As someone with fond memories of fooling around with his soapy team-mates in the shower after swim-practice, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Giggity

. . . Now I'm jealous . . . and I'm going back to my bunk again.


Yeah. My bunk has been quite popular throughout this thread. I suddenly feel like I missed out... a lot... in high school. How unfortunate.
 
2012-10-10 09:05:16 PM

Cyberluddite: Yeah, Abby, you're right of course. This is not gay, not gay at all, and there's nothing sexual at all about a bunch of normal, healthy, athletic teenage boys getting all hot and sweaty and then 3 or 4 of them squeezing into a shower stall together and soaping up their firm, tight, young flesh, as they press their naked, soapy bodies together and help each other wash up those hard-to-reach areas.

"Oops, I dropped the soap--again!!"


For some reason, I want to go watch "Harold and Maude" again.
 
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