canyoneer: Do you know what else has been rising dramatically since the 1980's?[www.wrsc.org image 580x381]
FloydA: I wouldn't want to put climatologists in charge of finding the cure for cancer anyway.
JoeyJoJo: As long as you call it climate change and NOT global warming, I'll listen
washington: Nature is liberal
SurfaceTension: My own theory: Greenhouse gasses are trapping more energy within the atmosphere. There is an imbalance of energy between the equator and the poles. Weather systems are nature's way of transporting energy from the equator to the poles. If there is more energy to transport, the storms, by their nature, are going to need to be both more numerous and more violent.
splohn: Didn't Nature (the magazine/website) just go over this?
Martian_Astronomer: More importantly, man-hours in science add linearly - If you have a project that would take 1 scientist a year to complete, you can simply assign 52 scientists to the project and it'll be done in a week.
traylor: Insured losses from disasters averaged $9 billion a year in the 1980s. By the 2000s, the average soared to $36 billion per year.So, Climate Change is responsible for the increase in the money spent by people on insurance.
Ambitwistor: splohn: Didn't Nature (the magazine/website) just go over this?Discussed here.Didn't they just state you cannot linkn extreme weather events to climate change?For some heat waves, you probably can. Other extreme events (precipitation or storms) are harder.
Martian_Astronomer: Everyone knows that scientists are interchangeable, and are experts in everything from biology to quantum physics to materials science to astronomy.
Day_Old_Dutchie: The study being released today by Munich Re, the world's largest reinsurance firm, sees climate change driving the increase and predicts those influences will continue in years ahead, though a number of experts question that conclusion.Obvious vested interests at work here.
splohn: Also, anyone have a good reason why does the "study" only got back to 1980?
Pumpernickel bread: I just skimmed it, but are they taking into account inflation and larger population ( more insurees) when they give those totals for insurance claims?
Shmeat: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x675]
elchupacabra: Shmeat: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x675]False DilemmaBoth involve rather large conspiracies, so I'm skeptical of both.
Ambitwistor: elchupacabra: Shmeat: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x675]False DilemmaBoth involve rather large conspiracies, so I'm skeptical of both.What conspiracy? It's well known that fossil fuel companies have funded climate skeptics for years; just look on SourceWatch for, e.g., Exxon.That being said, they've toned that way down over the last 5 years or so, and most climate skepticism today is likely "home grown" rather than bankrolled.
elchupacabra: I'm more in the category of "simulators need more processing power to increase accuracy".
Ambitwistor: elchupacabra: I'm more in the category of "simulators need more processing power to increase accuracy".That's true. More processing power isn't likely to change the basic picture and uncertainty range for the amount of global warming predicted. But it will certainly be needed to improve the ability to predict the kinds of localized weather disasters being discussed here.I'm in the "Warming, but not to OMG SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING levels" camp.Well, it's not going to wipe out human civilization. But the likely amount of eventual warming, if we reach quadrupled CO2 levels, will be comparable to the amount of cooling experienced during the last ice age. That's going to have non-trivial impacts.
splohn: Ambitwistor: splohn: Didn't Nature (the magazine/website) just go over this?Discussed here.Didn't they just state you cannot linkn extreme weather events to climate change?For some heat waves, you probably can. Other extreme events (precipitation or storms) are harder.Thanks for the linkees.Also, anyone have a good reason why does the "study" only got back to 1980?Were we not recording temperatures, tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, etc prior to Reagan?
elchupacabra: Shmeat: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x675]False Dilemma
authorizeduser: "The number of natural disasters per year has been rising dramatically on all continents since 1980"32 years is a rather limited sample-size, for a planet that's 4.6 billion years-old.
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