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2012-10-10 08:25:27 AM  
flippity-flop!
 
2012-10-10 08:46:50 AM  
Romney surrogates must order antacids by the crate.
 
2012-10-10 08:54:50 AM  
Erik Fehrstrom said that Romney could completely change his positions on abortion, taxes and anything else and hardly any Republican would notice.
 
2012-10-10 08:56:03 AM  

imontheinternet: Romney surrogates must order antacids by the crate.


I picture them as the person who cleans up behind the elephants when the circus comes to town.
 
2012-10-10 09:05:40 AM  

imontheinternet: Romney surrogates must order antacids by the crate.


I imagine the daily mirror-staring psych up job they must do to themselves. "Okay, Tom...you gotta go out there and give it your best. *deep breath and muscle flex* Now, don't read the paper today until you feel you're ready *glances at front page* MOTHER F*CKER! He said what about abortion?! For the love of a merciful...okay...just calm down, Tom...you're doing this because the President is a negro."

Aaaaannnnnnd...scene.
 
2012-10-10 09:08:43 AM  
I think Romney flip flopped on abortion because if he were to be elected, he couldn't profit off disposing the remains like he did at Bain.

So absent of the profit motive, the political motive takes over.
 
2012-10-10 09:09:37 AM  

Delay: Erik Fehrstrom said that Romney could completely change his positions on abortion, taxes and anything else and hardly any Republican would notice.


well, apart from a few liberal pundits on msnbc, they've got the media in their pocket. and when most republicans get their news from fox news, which is the de facto media arm of the mainstream GOP, it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".
 
2012-10-10 09:14:35 AM  

Delay: Erik Fehrstrom said that Romney could completely change his positions on abortion, taxes and anything else and hardly any Republican would notice.


"He's got good hair, okay? And a strong chin! I swear to god, I don't even know what you people want anymore."
 
2012-10-10 09:21:18 AM  

FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".


Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.
 
2012-10-10 09:21:26 AM  
Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!
 
2012-10-10 09:21:49 AM  
He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.
 
2012-10-10 09:23:48 AM  

WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!


I've never seen one do it on literally every single issue like Romney has.
 
2012-10-10 09:26:21 AM  
Stupid libs, haven't you ever heard of a candidate's position on an issue evolving? Like your precious Obama's opinion on gay marriage?

In this case, Romney's position on abortion simply evolves by adapting to whomever he happens to be talking to at that given moment.
 
2012-10-10 09:26:39 AM  

Aarontology: WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!

I've never seen one do it on literally every single issue like Romney has.


You're right. I haven't seen one issue he has stayed constant on. Well..taxes now that I think about it, but that is a given.
 
2012-10-10 09:26:59 AM  

WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!


romney does it like breathing. for him, it's effortless and regular. there is no politician in living memory who has flip flopped so often and with out compunction.
 
2012-10-10 09:28:08 AM  
GALAHAD: Let us taunt the 24 hour media cycle. It may become so cross that it will make a mistake.
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-10 09:33:18 AM  

Sybarite: He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.


During the debate Romney claimed that "half" of the green firms the stimulus invested in "have gone out of business" and noted that "a number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns. I had a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, all right?"

Actual number: less than 1% says Michael Grunwald.
 
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2012-10-10 09:33:57 AM  
After you take both sides of an issue enough times, the media just gets tired of reporting the same thing over and over. It just isn't news.
 
2012-10-10 09:34:31 AM  

Delay: FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".

Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.


It's actually a pattern, and it seems to be a deliberate tactic.

Romney's campaign has been trying to play both sides of controversial issues by having the candidate say one thing in public -- the mainstream view -- only to have his campaign walk the statement back almost immediately. That way the low information mainstream voters hear what they want to hear and get on with life. When the base complains about his position, the campaign can say he "misspoke" and the record has been corrected. But most voters don't know about the walk-back.

I've noticed it happens all the time; far too often to be simple error or ineptitude.
 
2012-10-10 09:35:09 AM  

Sybarite: He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.


It would be so refreshing if they just admitted it. "We want him over Obama so we're OK with him lying and cheating to do it."
 
2012-10-10 09:36:31 AM  

gilgigamesh: Delay: FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".

Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.

It's actually a pattern, and it seems to be a deliberate tactic.

Romney's campaign has been trying to play both sides of controversial issues by having the candidate say one thing in public -- the mainstream view -- only to have his campaign walk the statement back almost immediately. That way the low information mainstream voters hear what they want to hear and get on with life. When the base complains about his position, the campaign can say he "misspoke" and the record has been corrected. But most voters don't know about the walk-back.

I've noticed it happens all the time; far too often to be simple error or ineptitude.


Romney is the first true, pureblood corporate candidate, and he has the marketing strategy to prove it.
 
2012-10-10 09:37:38 AM  
if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.
 
2012-10-10 09:37:57 AM  
"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda,"

Good lord; all you have to do is read between the lines there.
 
2012-10-10 09:38:08 AM  

Diogenes: Sybarite: He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.

It would be so refreshing if they just admitted it. "We want him over Obama so we're OK with him lying and cheating to do it."


The silence is deafening.
 
2012-10-10 09:41:32 AM  
Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.
 
2012-10-10 09:45:01 AM  
Media: "It is critical to us that he actually be a viable contender so that we can have ratings. So we're just going to run with whatever message gets him there, ok?"
 
2012-10-10 09:45:23 AM  

ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.


Has he flip-flopped on his support of a same-sex constitutional ban yet? Now that would be a very impressive flip-flop.
 
2012-10-10 09:45:51 AM  
I think its obvious that Romney will say anything to get elected. He's a shameless liar.
 
2012-10-10 09:46:57 AM  
shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.
 
2012-10-10 09:51:12 AM  

Diogenes: Sybarite: He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.

It would be so refreshing if they just admitted it. "We want him over Obama so we're OK with him lying and cheating to do it."


"We would vote for a farking Cylon if he were running against Obama. And I think we are."
 
2012-10-10 09:51:54 AM  

ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.


Get used to it. Romney can't run an administration if his folks have no idea of where he stands on both domestic and foreign issues. It's institutional paralysis and setting up dedicated staff to failure. No wonder so many of Romney's companies went bankrupt and no wonder his campaign was in shambles before the debate.
 
2012-10-10 09:52:58 AM  

serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves everyone knows I'm a tool.

 
2012-10-10 09:53:08 AM  

serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.


What does that have to do with what Romney said? Are you suggesting he thinks its morally wrong, but also thinks abortion should be a legal alternative for those who want it?
 
2012-10-10 09:55:33 AM  

serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.


No, you probably get a lecture on the difference between being in favor of abortions generally and being in favor of not telling women what to do. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney says he's not going to support anti-abortion legislation, and then his campaign corrects him: he will, he just forgot that he will.

The long and short of it: you're both buffoons.
 
2012-10-10 09:56:48 AM  
"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda," the Republican presidential nominee told The Des Moines Register in an interview.

I'm reminded of Clevinger's interrogation in Catch 22 and want to ask Romney if there is any legislation with regards to abortion that he's not familiar with that would become part of his agenda.

I know the corporate media wanted to make the election closer to boost ratings but if they keep helping Mitt lie they'll have elected him president.
 
2012-10-10 09:57:14 AM  

ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.


He'll be working with a team of engineers to find a way to manipulate the space/time continuum so that he can physically ship the US to China.
 
2012-10-10 09:58:30 AM  

Mugato: ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.

He'll be working with a team of engineers to find a way to manipulate the space/time continuum so that he can physically ship the US to China.


I thought he was going to declare all other religions illegal and establish the first Mormon Empire?
 
2012-10-10 10:02:52 AM  

Cythraul: Mugato: ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.

He'll be working with a team of engineers to find a way to manipulate the space/time continuum so that he can physically ship the US to China.

I thought he was going to declare all other religions illegal and establish the first Mormon Empire?


So, tiny American flags AND a pair of magic underware for everyone?
 
2012-10-10 10:03:01 AM  
y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.
 
2012-10-10 10:04:20 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Cythraul: Mugato: ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.

He'll be working with a team of engineers to find a way to manipulate the space/time continuum so that he can physically ship the US to China.

I thought he was going to declare all other religions illegal and establish the first Mormon Empire?

So, tiny American flags AND a pair of magic underware for everyone?


I kinda like the idea of magic underwear, actually... in a perverted sort of way.
 
2012-10-10 10:05:13 AM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


this MUST be the message of the obama campaign for the remaining weeks. articulate your vision and contrast it with the flip-flops of your challenger.
 
2012-10-10 10:05:28 AM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.
 
2012-10-10 10:07:04 AM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


No one thinks he's a good fit for America. People are voting for him because they're voting against Obama. I haven't heard one argument for Romney, just arguments against Obama.

.... although I may have heard one guy who obviously knows nothing about what Romney did as a businessman say that because he's a successful businessman he'd make a good President but that's all
 
2012-10-10 10:10:08 AM  

Mugato: .... although I may have heard one guy who obviously knows nothing about what Romney did as a businessman say that because he's a successful businessman he'd make a good President but that's all


Every time I hear "The President is CEO of the world's most powerful ________," I want to fly into a murderous, Constitutionally-inspired rage.
 
2012-10-10 10:12:30 AM  

Cythraul: One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.


Sure?

imgace.com
 
2012-10-10 10:13:19 AM  

FlashHarry: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

this MUST be the message of the obama campaign for the remaining weeks. articulate your vision and contrast it with the flip-flops of your challenger.


i'm planning on helping with an Obama phone bank on thursday. i'll make note of it.
 
2012-10-10 10:13:53 AM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-10 10:15:31 AM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


Nothing has really changed since his days from Maine.

It's not that he lacks spine, it's that he lacks principles...
 
2012-10-10 10:24:25 AM  

Weaver95: i'm planning on helping with an Obama phone bank on thursday. i'll make note of it.


The Obama campaign has its speechwriters too. And they attempt to have Obama appear to appeal to as many voters as possible, But when Obama does speak, at least apart from his debate performance, you actually sense that he takes ownership of what he is saying. It's not just a cynical act.
 
2012-10-10 10:26:22 AM  
Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.
 
2012-10-10 10:35:28 AM  

hubiestubert: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

Nothing has really changed since his days from Maine.

It's not that he lacks spine, it's that he lacks principles...


He's greedy, untrustworthy, almost comically unlikeable, and he's fronting for a hateful racist, sexist party full of morans and dickbags.
 
2012-10-10 10:36:51 AM  
As long as Romney doesn't turn into a black kenyan muslim socialist, he can basically turn into anything else and the majority of his base will still vote for him.
 
2012-10-10 10:37:18 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: hubiestubert: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

Nothing has really changed since his days from Maine.

It's not that he lacks spine, it's that he lacks principles...

He's greedy, untrustworthy, almost comically unlikeable, and he's fronting for a hateful racist, sexist party full of morans and dickbags.


Romney also forced me to register Democrat AND go volunteer for the Obama campaign. that man scares the piss outta me. I do NOT want to live in a theocracy!
 
2012-10-10 10:37:53 AM  

serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.


I know, what the fark right? I mean, it's like there are people out there who support a women's right to make her own medical decisions.

It's crazy.
 
2012-10-10 10:39:50 AM  

Weaver95: Romney also forced me to register Democrat AND go volunteer for the Obama campaign.


Oh Weaves. I remember when I had you farkied as "fascist".
 
2012-10-10 10:43:32 AM  

what_now: Weaver95: Romney also forced me to register Democrat AND go volunteer for the Obama campaign.

Oh Weaves. I remember when I had you farkied as "fascist".


I *despise* theocracies. And the GOP (at the local/state and federal level) is pushing a 'biblical' form of government. not only are they theocrats but they're authoritarians as well, which is basically super sizing the horribleness of the whole situation. the libertarians - as much as I like them - seem to be just fine with authoritarian style government...just as long as we're being crushed by corporations and not the Fedgov. while I have my issues with the Democrats....out of all my choices, they are the lesser of many evils.
 
2012-10-10 10:45:39 AM  

Weaver95: FlashHarry: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

this MUST be the message of the obama campaign for the remaining weeks. articulate your vision and contrast it with the flip-flops of your challenger.

i'm planning on helping with an Obama phone bank on thursday. i'll make note of it.


Weaver is a case study in what has happened to the GOP.

From ardent right winger to Obama supporter in just 6 years.
 
2012-10-10 10:48:48 AM  

Weaver95: what_now: Weaver95: Romney also forced me to register Democrat AND go volunteer for the Obama campaign.

Oh Weaves. I remember when I had you farkied as "fascist".

I *despise* theocracies. And the GOP (at the local/state and federal level) is pushing a 'biblical' form of government. not only are they theocrats but they're authoritarians as well, which is basically super sizing the horribleness of the whole situation. the libertarians - as much as I like them - seem to be just fine with authoritarian style government...just as long as we're being crushed by corporations and not the Fedgov. while I have my issues with the Democrats....out of all my choices, they are the lesser of many evils.


I'm sorry your party abandoned you, dude. But I'm glad to have you in my corner. :)
 
2012-10-10 10:49:21 AM  

Tigger:
Weaver is a case study in what has happened to the GOP.

From ardent right winger to Obama supporter in just 6 years.


have I mentioned how much I hate a theocratic form of government? Because I *really* hate that sort of thing.
 
2012-10-10 10:50:31 AM  

Tigger: Weaver95: FlashHarry: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

this MUST be the message of the obama campaign for the remaining weeks. articulate your vision and contrast it with the flip-flops of your challenger.

i'm planning on helping with an Obama phone bank on thursday. i'll make note of it.

Weaver is a case study in what has happened to the GOP.

From ardent right winger to Obama supporter in just 6 years.


A heroic tale of self discovery.

Welcome to the land of the less deluded. I wish he hadn't fumbled on national TV so badly last week, but all this does is makes his own comeback all the more epic. right. Right???

I am comfortable with America screwing itself if thats what America wants. I lived through this once already with Reagan. Biggest sack of lying phony fake crap around, yet America ate it up. Wasn't morning in america where I grew up. Far from it.

So you guys get out the vote for Obama, we'll be better off if he wins, but ... America needs to learn to quit electing liars, if putting a mormon cultist liar into office is how it learned that finally, I'm fine with it. The country's too big to fail. Doncha know.
 
2012-10-10 10:54:54 AM  
And the other part of that comment is, if Obama can't be arsed to confront a mormon liar on TV and act like he wants the job, the hell with him. Seriously. The tea baggers should have been stomped on TV every week in 09, by Obama, the theoretical leader of the free world. Instead he is letting those senile plasterbrained punks have the floor and conceding points left and right in the name of "bipartisan cooperation."

Like a cowboy once said, you don't negotiate with terrorists. I consider tea baggers our modern taliban. They should be confronted as the liars they are, they should be shouted out of their own party and relegated back to the cult status they had. But little by little the Republicans have been cultivating these guys, and now we have the Reagan Youth all grown up in the form of Paul Ryan, who is the child of government entitlement yet wants to pull the rug out from everyone else that came after him.

I would like if Obama grew a pair and used his epic speaking skills to fight more like Dean or Clinton or Rendell, instead of being more like a younger Harry Reid.

The bully pulpit was yours, Barry. Why didn't you use it???
 
2012-10-10 10:55:20 AM  

Weaver95: have I mentioned how much I hate a theocratic form of government? Because I *really* hate that sort of thing.


Weaver, I think you'll find that Biblically based laws are not theocratic, but forced gay integration is.
 
2012-10-10 11:00:55 AM  

Aarontology: Weaver95: have I mentioned how much I hate a theocratic form of government? Because I *really* hate that sort of thing.

Weaver, I think you'll find that Biblically based laws are not theocratic, but forced gay integration is.


again - every time I hear/read the phrase 'forced gay integration' I keep thinking of 'queer eye for the straight guy'.
 
2012-10-10 11:03:27 AM  

Sybarite: He's going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and his base understands this.


They know what he really means, he just has to pander to the moderates...for now.
 
2012-10-10 11:06:58 AM  
He supports it, he just doesn't have anything planned. Not a flip-flop.

And of course he doesn't have anything planned, because it's not his job to plan anything, it's his job to get elected so that certain people can tell him what their plans are and then get them into the system.
 
2012-10-10 11:07:05 AM  

Weaver95: God Is My Co-Pirate: hubiestubert: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

Nothing has really changed since his days from Maine.

It's not that he lacks spine, it's that he lacks principles...

He's greedy, untrustworthy, almost comically unlikeable, and he's fronting for a hateful racist, sexist party full of morans and dickbags.

Romney also forced me to register Democrat AND go volunteer for the Obama campaign. that man scares the piss outta me. I do NOT want to live in a theocracy!


The GOP leadership likewise made me register Independent. Romney is a non-starter for me, having had to deal with him in Maine and in Massachusetts. He isn't a leader, he's a bird dog for cash money, and always has been.

The leadership had an opportunity after McCain's loss to enter into a small period of introspection to understand why they lost the race. Instead of taking that time, they decided to double down on exactly the radical and reactionary elements that have taken the party from anything like good Conservatism, and instead took the party deeper in radical territory that throws away anything like support of the republic or the good of the nation as a whole. They threw away the foundations of the party in a pursuit of cash, plain and simple, that began when they chased after the Religious Right's donations. The downward slide that began with the lashing of the NeoCons to the Religious Right has now become the center of the party. And it is very much against anything like good Republicanism, and I cannot, in good conscience support that death spiral...
 
2012-10-10 11:08:37 AM  
Oh man, he'll totally have to answer for this in the next debate. Right guys? Right?
 
2012-10-10 11:09:07 AM  

Generation_D: The bully pulpit was yours, Barry. Why didn't you use it???


FFS, he has three debates. You're arguing like a baseball fan whose team just lost game 1 in a best-of-three because they didn't start their ace against the opposing team's ace. Yeah, they lost game 1, but they're set up even better for games 2 and 3 now.

/except in this case, winning the "games" doesn't even really matter
 
2012-10-10 11:10:38 AM  
I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.
 
2012-10-10 11:11:21 AM  
Fark websites that autoload two separate, unpausable videos.
 
2012-10-10 11:11:26 AM  
MittTron-2012 believe exactly what it believes you want it to believe. That way he can never be wrong. Duh.
 
2012-10-10 11:12:27 AM  
Huffington Post: never biased.
 
2012-10-10 11:12:34 AM  
Yeah, about time the focus moved off of debate, and therefore Big Bird, to
His flipping stance on Abortion
To his taxes
To bain capital
To him Opposing auto bail out- specially in Ohio
To him tax cut to wealthy at the expense of middle class

And so on. These worked well, and will work again. Just need to get peoples mind off of the debate.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:08 AM  

gilgigamesh: serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.

What does that have to do with what Romney said? Are you suggesting he thinks its morally wrong, but also thinks abortion should be a legal alternative for those who want it?


I'm suggesting that he didn't say what the headline quotes him as saying. He said he's not going to push for legislation to limit abortions, but if somebody else were to push for it, we would support them.

See, he's not pro-legislation-limiting-abortions. He's pro-choice, where the choice is whether or not to limit abortions through legislation.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:26 AM  

tom baker's scarf: MittTron-2012 believe exactly what it believes you want it to believe. That way he can never be wrong. Duh.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

please assume the position.
 
2012-10-10 11:13:50 AM  

imontheinternet: Romney surrogates must order antacids by the crate.


Or Dramamine.
 
2012-10-10 11:15:18 AM  

Delay: FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".

Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.


And yet, not one single Republican out there will see this and say, "That guy make John Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar, I'm voting Obama (or third party)."
 
2012-10-10 11:15:47 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-10-10 11:15:51 AM  

Weaver95: again - every time I hear/read the phrase 'forced gay integration' I keep thinking of 'queer eye for the straight guy'.


It makes me think of someone who would vote for George Wallace.
 
2012-10-10 11:15:58 AM  
Mitt Romney said Tuesday he has no plans to push for legislation limiting abortion, a softer stance from a candidate who has said he would "get rid of" funding for Planned Parenthood and appoint Supreme Court who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda," the Republican presidential nominee told The Des Moines Register in an interview.


There is nothing contradictory about these statements. Appointing a judge or getting rid of funding is not legislation. He's just speaking politician speak in a very literal way, so no one can claim he lied.

Regardless, it seems more and more that Romney is backing off his pandering for social conservative votes and is reverting to his northeastern Republican views that his record as governor supports. This is a good thing, whether or not he gets elected(chances are slim), simply because it shows that there are sane Republicans that exist somewhere in high positions still.
 
2012-10-10 11:16:06 AM  

serial_crusher: See, he's not pro-legislation-limiting-abortions. He's pro-choice, where the choice is whether or not to limit abortions through legislation.


What the hell?
 
2012-10-10 11:16:38 AM  

IAmRight: FFS, he has three debates. You're arguing like a baseball fan whose team just lost game 1 in a best-of-three because they didn't start their ace against the opposing team's ace. Yeah, they lost game 1, but they're set up even better for games 2 and 3 now.


Sweet Jesus, this.
 
2012-10-10 11:16:42 AM  

WhiskeyBender: Aarontology: WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!

I've never seen one do it on literally every single issue like Romney has.

You're right. I haven't seen one issue he has stayed constant on. Well..taxes now that I think about it, but that is a given.


Oh yeah?

"I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about." 
 
2012-10-10 11:17:19 AM  
Our next president ladies and gentlemen!! I think Bama is sick and tired of this shiatty job with insane co-workers, I cant blame him for wanting out.
 
2012-10-10 11:17:55 AM  
He was for it before he was against it and vice versa.
 
2012-10-10 11:18:25 AM  
Shame there is no Olympic event for vocal gymnastics.

Why, why, why continue listening/broadcasting this chit? Pointless unless your agenda to put the stake through the population's trust.
 
2012-10-10 11:18:48 AM  

ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.


Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!
 
2012-10-10 11:19:17 AM  
And Obama's response is another word salad.

Hey 'bama, try this, "MITT ROMNEY IS LYING YET AGAIN

Is there some rule about calling Mitt Romney a liar?
 
2012-10-10 11:19:21 AM  

serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.


Maybe it's because there actually IS a difference between supporting a woman's right to have an abortion and planning to actually have an abortion?

For starters, the second group, by definition, consists entirely of pregnant women -- despite Fox News' claims to the contrary, it's impossible to have an abortion when you're not pregnant for much the same reason women can't get vasectomies or people with both legs amputated above the knee cannot get ACL surgery.

Then there's the fact that if you replace "have an abortion" with anything else at all, it will be much easier for you to see that not everyone who supports a right has plans to exercise that right. For example, I support your right to have a three-way with a pair of trailer-park fatties who can't leave their homes without the help of a forklift, even though I have no plans to do so myself.
 
2012-10-10 11:19:34 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.


Romney is smarter than me in the same way that Watson, the Jeopardy playing computer, is smarter than me.
 
2012-10-10 11:20:16 AM  

sodomizer: Huffington Post: never biased.


You can't actually be biased for or against Romney, as he has taken on every possible position on every subject politics touches.
 
2012-10-10 11:21:46 AM  

orclover: Our next president ladies and gentlemen!! I think Bama is sick and tired of this shiatty job with insane co-workers, I cant blame him for wanting out.


How do you find any idiot willing to put up with it?
By definition, they must be crazy.

Our politicians jobs are no longer hired to lead. They are only employed to lie. For your own good, naturally.
And we do need better liars, this crew is done.
 
2012-10-10 11:22:46 AM  

gilgigamesh: Delay: FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".

Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.

It's actually a pattern, and it seems to be a deliberate tactic.

Romney's campaign has been trying to play both sides of controversial issues by having the candidate say one thing in public -- the mainstream view -- only to have his campaign walk the statement back almost immediately. That way the low information mainstream voters hear what they want to hear and get on with life. When the base complains about his position, the campaign can say he "misspoke" and the record has been corrected. But most voters don't know about the walk-back.

I've noticed it happens all the time; far too often to be simple error or ineptitude.


He got such a bounce by sounding like an idiot before the debates, then appearing to be competent within the debates (where facts aren't pointed out). They figure if they can just repeat that success a few more times they will be on top.
 
2012-10-10 11:22:49 AM  
You mean to tell me that Romney is using pro-lifers to get elected with no plans of actually doing anything to limit abortion besides the vague promise of "i'll nominate pro-life supreme court justices."?

color me shocked.

/not one of my pro-life friends believes that Romney will do nothing regarding abortion.
//they are (as usual) republicans first, pro-life second.
 
2012-10-10 11:22:52 AM  
It seems that the media have turned on Obama, and not just Drudge and Fox News. I'm not sure why. I can understand why the Democratic base is angry at Obama, he's hasn't manage to do much for them these past four years, he hasn't punished any of the Wall St or bankster criminals....even Reagan had some of the S&L fraudsters sent to prison. Even with all of Obama's failings, Mittens is swearing in his magic underpants that he's going to hammer the 47% like a Vegas whore at a cop convention. I can't imagine how any working person would be indifferent to a Rmoney win.

I can't help think that all the media pronouncements that the election is a done deal for Willard the Rat won't hurt him. Just look at Drudge, "New Poll shows Romney 99% and Obama 0% with a Margin of Error of +/- 1%. Large numbers of the bagger-tards, despite all the rhetoric, can hardly be arsed to vote. After all, charging up the Rascal, and packing up the oxygen tanks, and an extra does of insulin hypodermics takes an entire morning's effort.
 
2012-10-10 11:22:58 AM  
The Freeper response to this is... sad? interesting? Basically, they agree that they don't know what Mitt stands for on anything. They just know he's not a radical gun-grabbing black supremacist Muslim socialist, so he's their man. Anybody But Obama (or whatever racist epithet they hit on any given day).

So much ignorance, fear and cognitive dissonance over there.
 
2012-10-10 11:24:11 AM  

Mrembo: ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!


That would make a funny comedy bit. Get a comedian playing the part of Romney, then have the 'debate moderator' ask Romney a question about a particular policy with a moderate constituent (wearing clothing and buttons and such identifying them so) next to the moderator.

Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter (Sarah Palin t-shirt, 'marriage = man and woman symbol button') next to him and say, "how about now?"
 
2012-10-10 11:24:21 AM  

King Something: serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.

Maybe it's because there actually IS a difference between supporting a woman's right to have an abortion and planning to actually have an abortion?

For starters, the second group, by definition, consists entirely of pregnant women -- despite Fox News' claims to the contrary, it's impossible to have an abortion when you're not pregnant for much the same reason women can't get vasectomies or people with both legs amputated above the knee cannot get ACL surgery.

Then there's the fact that if you replace "have an abortion" with anything else at all, it will be much easier for you to see that not everyone who supports a right has plans to exercise that right. For example, I support your right to have a three-way with a pair of trailer-park fatties who can't leave their homes without the help of a forklift, even though I have no plans to do so myself.


AHH, not a Republican.
There is a fee to be negotiated and, of course, The War on Threeways to deal with.
 
2012-10-10 11:26:11 AM  

Cythraul: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.


What race is ORANGE?
 
2012-10-10 11:26:24 AM  

bhcompy: There is nothing contradictory about these statements. Appointing a judge or getting rid of funding is not legislation. He's just speaking politician speak in a very literal way, so no one can claim he lied.


Getting rid of funding is legislation. All discretionary funding goes through appropriation bills that have to undergo the normal legislative process to become laws, i.e., legislation.
 
2012-10-10 11:27:13 AM  

snocone: Cythraul: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.

What race is ORANGE?


whatever species snooki is from.
 
2012-10-10 11:27:38 AM  
Romney has obviously been consulting with the SunTan Woman.
Sexxxxxy!
 
2012-10-10 11:27:52 AM  

snocone: Cythraul: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.

What race is ORANGE?


Oompa Loompa?
 
2012-10-10 11:28:15 AM  
Abortion yes, waterboarding, no... WTF?

So he is a flip flopper? What do you call a president who supported DOMA then repealed DADT?
 
2012-10-10 11:29:18 AM  

Joe Blowme: Abortion yes, waterboarding, no... WTF?

So he is a flip flopper? What do you call a president who supported DOMA then repealed DADT?


A good follower of instruction.
Crappy instruction, but a good stooge.
 
2012-10-10 11:30:16 AM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?
 
2012-10-10 11:30:27 AM  
I trust Romney about as far as I can throw a cubic centimeter of neutronium.
 
2012-10-10 11:31:04 AM  

Joe Blowme: Abortion yes, waterboarding, no... WTF?

So he is a flip flopper? What do you call a president who supported DOMA then repealed DADT?


It's almost as if the Defense of Marriage Act and Don't Ask Don't Tell are two different pieces of legislation, with different goals, objectives, and laws.
 
2012-10-10 11:33:11 AM  

Aarontology: Joe Blowme: Abortion yes, waterboarding, no... WTF?

So he is a flip flopper? What do you call a president who supported DOMA then repealed DADT?

It's almost as if the Defense of Marriage Act and Don't Ask Don't Tell are two different pieces of legislation, with different goals, objectives, and laws.


Nah, that angle sounds like it is fact-based. Can't be.
 
2012-10-10 11:33:18 AM  

Ordinary Genius: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?


Did Obama say he was going to close Gitmo, then claim he was going to keep it open the next day and deny he was going to close Gitmo? Because that's how Romney operates.

See, Romney flips flops on the issues multiple times within a week. You actually don't know what he really stands for. Those things, we know Obama changed and has been consistent with it once he's changed. he doesn't say one thing to one person, then say the exact opposite the next day like Romney does with every single issue.
 
2012-10-10 11:34:08 AM  
Quantum Romney strikes again
 
2012-10-10 11:34:16 AM  

FlashHarry: flippity-flop!


But it doesn't matter because he said it with confidence! He looked Poised and In Control ™ and that's what matters above all else!
 
2012-10-10 11:34:52 AM  

Ordinary Genius: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?


It's all fine and good to bring up examples of Obama's stances changing over time. But can you tell me what Mitt Romney's position is on abortion right now? It's one thing to change your mind. But the Romney campaign cannot even explain what his state of mind is. They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.
 
2012-10-10 11:35:53 AM  
I hope the good Christian folk on the right appreciate how they've been used to get a lying moderate as their candidate.

Hee hee hee. Hurts, don't it?

/it'll really hurt when he sends your loved ones--not his--to war with Iran via the draft. Enjoy the ride.
 
2012-10-10 11:36:00 AM  
Yes, let's move on to more important news. This is so tiresome.

Now, did you see that Lindsay Lohan and her mother Dina started arguing in the car and it escalated when they got home late last night. We're told it became physical with Lindsay sustaining a cut on her leg. We're also told there was property damage -- including a broken bracelet of Lindsay's -- that occurred during the scuffle.
 
2012-10-10 11:36:20 AM  

someonelse: It's all fine and good to bring up examples of Obama's stances changing over time. But can you tell me what Mitt Romney's position is on abortion right now? It's one thing to change your mind. But the Romney campaign cannot even explain what his state of mind is. They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.


Exactly. Once Obama changed his mind, it stayed changed. Romney's mind changes depending on the house and the audience.

It's almost impossible to pin down what exactly Mitt Romney really stands for since it changes from day to day.
 
2012-10-10 11:36:24 AM  
Seriously, can anybody explain what Romney's position actually is on this issue?
 
2012-10-10 11:36:33 AM  
And guess what? Not a single Romney voter changed their vote because of this...and not a single Obama voter changed their vote because of this.
 
2012-10-10 11:37:05 AM  
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growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-10 11:37:39 AM  
Cythraul: "Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter ... and say, "how about now?""

Or just put a 'spokesman' next to the podium who steps in to 'spin' after every question.
Moderator: "blah blah abortion?"
Romney: "I'm not going to support or push for any legislation limiting abortion."
Spokesman: (steps over to microphone) "What Mitt was referring to, was no legislation *in addition to* the legislation to limit abortion that he's already voiced support for, and pledged to pursue."
 
2012-10-10 11:37:47 AM  
If this guy wins, we are all very well and truly farked. I only have 10% faith in humanity as it is now. A Romney presidency will reduce that to, oh, lets just be poetic and say 1%.
 
2012-10-10 11:37:47 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I hope the good Christian folk on the right appreciate how they've been used to get a lying moderate as their candidate.

Hee hee hee. Hurts, don't it?

/it'll really hurt when he sends your loved ones--not his--to war with Iran via the draft. Enjoy the ride.


He'll send Bapp. That's why they had a spare.
 
2012-10-10 11:38:11 AM  

Mrembo: ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!


They should do an SNL skit kind of like the Garrett Morris "Help for the hard of hearing"... have some guy in a bubble in the corner while Romney is talking that translates the statement for the Ultra Conservatives. Heck, someone could just take Romney clips and do it themselves on You Tube..
 
2012-10-10 11:38:51 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: And guess what? Not a single Romney voter changed their vote because of this...and not a single Obama voter changed their vote because of this.


No, but some single issue religious people who were already unhappy with Romney just decided not to bother voting.
 
2012-10-10 11:38:52 AM  

someonelse: Ordinary Genius: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

It's all fine and good to bring up examples of Obama's stances changing over time. But can you tell me what Mitt Romney's position is on abortion right now? It's one thing to change your mind. But the Romney campaign cannot even explain what his state of mind is. They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.


I agree. My point was simply that both candidates suck.
 
2012-10-10 11:40:11 AM  

someonelse: They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.


someone will think "I like how he won't ban abortion." and another will think "I like how he will ban abortion."

They are both right and he will get both of their votes. This bold face lying and holding two opposing views at the same time and straight up not giving a f*ck is a game changer. It is amazing.

I am actually impressed. Disgusted...but impressed.

And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.
 
2012-10-10 11:41:13 AM  

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He seems so sincere that it doesn't matter what he says as long as it's stated forcefully and indignantly. "That is NOT my position, Mr. President!" True enough.
 
2012-10-10 11:41:39 AM  
Romney/Yenmor 2012
 
2012-10-10 11:41:54 AM  

busy chillin': And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.


The way it shoudl be looked at is since Romney doesn't appear to have any convictions of principles at all aside from his own advancement, we can only conclude he'd sign whatever the GOP sent his way.

And since the GOP has gone full teabagger, he will, govern like one of them.
 
2012-10-10 11:42:21 AM  

busy chillin': someonelse: They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.

someone will think "I like how he won't ban abortion." and another will think "I like how he will ban abortion."

They are both right and he will get both of their votes. This bold face lying and holding two opposing views at the same time and straight up not giving a f*ck is a game changer. It is amazing.

I am actually impressed. Disgusted...but impressed.

And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.


poop his magic underwear? Is that even allowed? does that make them not magical anymore?...these are the real questions that need to be asked.
 
2012-10-10 11:42:36 AM  

Nuuu: bhcompy: There is nothing contradictory about these statements. Appointing a judge or getting rid of funding is not legislation. He's just speaking politician speak in a very literal way, so no one can claim he lied.

Getting rid of funding is legislation. All discretionary funding goes through appropriation bills that have to undergo the normal legislative process to become laws, i.e., legislation.


Not necessarily. An executive order could suffice
 
2012-10-10 11:43:27 AM  

busy chillin': someonelse: They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.

someone will think "I like how he won't ban abortion." and another will think "I like how he will ban abortion."

They are both right and he will get both of their votes. This bold face lying and holding two opposing views at the same time and straight up not giving a f*ck is a game changer. It is amazing.

I am actually impressed. Disgusted...but impressed.

And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.


Yes he does! He'll do his best to be a figurehead, a stooge, a puppet and a special interest kowtower. All in the name of profit and power. God bless us, every one!
 
2012-10-10 11:44:11 AM  

Ordinary Genius: busy chillin': someonelse: They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.

someone will think "I like how he won't ban abortion." and another will think "I like how he will ban abortion."

They are both right and he will get both of their votes. This bold face lying and holding two opposing views at the same time and straight up not giving a f*ck is a game changer. It is amazing.

I am actually impressed. Disgusted...but impressed.

And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.

poop his magic underwear? Is that even allowed? does that make them not magical anymore?...these are the real questions that need to be asked.


He does not have to.
He will be told what to do/say, if, if, if aaaw crap!
You fools really buy into this chit don't you?
 
2012-10-10 11:44:23 AM  

Aarontology: busy chillin': And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.

The way it shoudl be looked at is since Romney doesn't appear to have any convictions of principles at all aside from his own advancement, we can only conclude he'd sign whatever the GOP sent his way.

And since the GOP has gone full teabagger, he will, govern like one of them.


I can agree with that.
 
2012-10-10 11:44:35 AM  

someonelse: Ordinary Genius: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

It's all fine and good to bring up examples of Obama's stances changing over time. But can you tell me what Mitt Romney's position is on abortion right now? It's one thing to change your mind. But the Romney campaign cannot even explain what his state of mind is. They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.


Gitmo is an odd place to draw a line. Gitmo can't closed any time soon. Simply can't because many of the folks cannot be put into our justice system now. Chains of evidence, chains of custody, it's all messed up because of the corners cut how folks were captured and detained. They go into our justice system, they will have to be released immediately. That is the legacy of the Bush years, a prison full of folks we can't legally hold here, and who cannot now be released because they will be a beacon for the very folks we're trying to combat. Had we treated terrorism as a law enforcement matter, and NOT cut corners or ignored standing laws, we might have gotten them tried and convicted, but given their treatment and how they were detained, they are in a legal Limbo right now. Plain and simple. Obama got left with the bag on this one, and folks are peeing themselves over the few folks we could try, because they are political cowards who don't want the boogeymen in their backyards.

The Drug War? That's a odd thing, considering that the Executive is sort of forced to uphold the laws of the land. Even the ones he doesn't like. It would be nice if folks didn't pee themselves with the thought of legalization of pot, but that's what we are left with, and so long as that is the law, then we are sort of stuck with it.

Marriage equality? It's time for us to actually fulfill the promise of equality under the law, and actually uphold religious freedom. It's well past time, and this former Republican fully favors marriage equality, on Constitutional grounds--especially that pesky freedom of religion and equality under the law. None of my damn business what consenting adults do in their own homes and in their own churches.

That is a bit different than Romney speaking out of both sides of his mouth, at the same damn time. The man has all the political backbone of an octopus...
 
2012-10-10 11:45:35 AM  

serial_crusher: gilgigamesh: serial_crusher: shrug. Every time I use the phrase "pro-abortion" in a thread, I get a slew of herpaderp about how there's a difference between people who support your right to have an abortion, and those who plan on having one themselves.

What does that have to do with what Romney said? Are you suggesting he thinks its morally wrong, but also thinks abortion should be a legal alternative for those who want it?

I'm suggesting that he didn't say what the headline quotes him as saying. He said he's not going to push for legislation to limit abortions, but if somebody else were to push for it, we would support them.


No.

He said, ""There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda." Weasel words aside, that means he doesn't plan to support anti-abortion laws, which is the exact opposite of what you claim.

Its noteworthy that in 2007 and 2011, he supported amending the constitution to define life at conception, which is about as big of a pro-life agenda as you can have. So now that's changed... and then changed back again by the campaign. All to further muddy the waters.

serial_crusher:See, he's not pro-legislation-limiting-abortions. He's pro-choice, where the choice is whether or not to limit abortions through legislation.

I am pro-choice with gun ownership, where the choice is whether or not to limit gun ownership through legislation. That makes just as much sense, right?
 
2012-10-10 11:45:39 AM  

Ordinary Genius: And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.

poop his magic underwear? Is that even allowed? does that make them not magical anymore?...these are the real questions that need to be asked.



I think he knows damn well what he intends to do; His primary goal is to reduce or eliminate cap gains taxes so he and his heirs can live basically tax-free (until another administration realizes they need the money and put the tax back)
 
2012-10-10 11:46:15 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants:

He'll do his best to be a figurehead, a stooge, a puppet and a special interest kowtower. All in the name of profit and power. God bless us, every one!


I can agree with that, too.
 
GBB
2012-10-10 11:46:27 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: And guess what? Not a single Romney voter changed their vote because of this...and not a single Obama voter changed their vote because of this.


but what about the undecided? Any possibility this might sway them toward Romney? Considering that they haven't committed one way or the other so far, you think they will pick up on the behavior of his changing view, or only see that he's more Central right-this-second?
 
2012-10-10 11:48:02 AM  
Debate # 1:
Smirk. Lie using Reagan voice. Smarmy grin. Lie using Eastwood voice. Repeat.
The winner!
 
GBB
2012-10-10 11:48:53 AM  

Ordinary Genius: busy chillin': someonelse: They are attempting to portray him as holding mutually exclusive views, in the hopes that everyone will see something they like.

someone will think "I like how he won't ban abortion." and another will think "I like how he will ban abortion."

They are both right and he will get both of their votes. This bold face lying and holding two opposing views at the same time and straight up not giving a f*ck is a game changer. It is amazing.

I am actually impressed. Disgusted...but impressed.

And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.

poop his magic underwear? Is that even allowed? does that make them not magical anymore?...these are the real questions that need to be asked.


Considering he changes platform like they were underware, I don't think it'll matter.
 
2012-10-10 11:51:01 AM  
I think i'm just going to start calling him FlipFlopney
 
2012-10-10 11:51:57 AM  

monoski: Ordinary Genius: And Romney himself doesn't even know what he will do if he becomes President.

poop his magic underwear? Is that even allowed? does that make them not magical anymore?...these are the real questions that need to be asked.


I think he knows damn well what he intends to do; His primary goal is to reduce or eliminate cap gains taxes so he and his heirs can live basically tax-free (until another administration realizes they need the money and put the tax back)


You left out:

1 War with Iran so he and his buddies can make hundreds of billions off the blood of other people's sons and daughters

2. Privatize Social Security--just like George Bush tried to do so, during the next financial meltdown created by lack of enforcement, trillions will be transferred to the rich.

3. Get rid of PBS so Frontline can't make anymore critical documentaries.

There's so much more but I have a headache just thinking about the fact that the same people who re-eclected Bush Cheney will be voting again. I don't have anyone in my circle who are draftable so I just give up. I'll vote for Obama even though I've been a registered Republican virtually all my life.
 
2012-10-10 11:54:01 AM  
Oh, now I believe him.
 
2012-10-10 11:55:01 AM  
Gotta give it to him, he's a great politician. He always finds a means to have it both ways.
He's basically saying, "there's none on the agenda NOW I would support" to group 1... and to group 2 he finishes it with "but if there were, I'd support it".

/Now: "I know of now girls at the moment I want to rape."
//2 hours from now: "but if I found one, I would rape her."
 
2012-10-10 11:55:14 AM  
buddysblog.typepad.com
 
2012-10-10 11:55:49 AM  
Remember folks, they will say, and do anything to accomplish their publicly stated mission:

McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
 
2012-10-10 11:56:04 AM  

Aarontology: I think Romney flip flopped on abortion because if he were to be elected, he couldn't profit off disposing the remains like he did at Bain.

So absent of the profit motive, the political motive takes over.


He's pandering to try to get votes. His politics before the election and as governor suggest that he's far more of a centrist than he's campaigning as but he needs the Republican base to win so he's trying to balance telling them what they want to hear while not alienating more moderate voters.
 
2012-10-10 11:56:05 AM  

Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?


All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.
 
2012-10-10 11:57:29 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.


-2/10
 
2012-10-10 11:58:56 AM  
This thread is like Bizaro-world Freeper thread.
 
2012-10-10 11:59:35 AM  

Voiceofreason01: He's pandering to try to get votes. His politics before the election and as governor suggest that he's far more of a centrist than he's campaigning as but he needs the Republican base to win so he's trying to balance telling them what they want to hear while not alienating more moderate voters.


I don't believe for a moment that his previous record is what he actually believes. I think then, much like now, he is saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to win.
 
2012-10-10 12:00:51 PM  
Guys, he's taken one solid position: He'll cut PBS. Now there's a president!
 
2012-10-10 12:01:32 PM  
It is so transparent what Romney is trying to do. The fact that he's getting away with it is absolutely mind-boggling and infuriating. John Kerry voted against a procedural motion to make a point about the Iraq war then voted to keep funding it and was tagged a flippy-floppy waffler for eight months straight. This is the second time since the Republican convention that Romney and his campaign have taken diametrically opposed positions on abortion in the same farking day and nobody seems to give a shiat. Unbelievable

/and after the last week, the next person that says to my face that the media is in Obama's pocket or has a liberal bias is going to get cockpunched so hard they'll have to piss through their asshole. 
//ohemad.jpg
///goddam straight I'm mad
 
2012-10-10 12:01:41 PM  

Ordinary Genius: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?


Well, if Romney had a better position on these things than Obama, and if he could be trusted to actually keep that position, you'd have a point. But alas, Romney is not trustworthy. I mean, hell, it's OK to lie to everyone in America who isn't a Mormon, if you're a Mormon.
 
2012-10-10 12:02:36 PM  

Aarontology: Voiceofreason01: He's pandering to try to get votes. His politics before the election and as governor suggest that he's far more of a centrist than he's campaigning as but he needs the Republican base to win so he's trying to balance telling them what they want to hear while not alienating more moderate voters.

I don't believe for a moment that his previous record is what he actually believes. I think then, much like now, he is saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to win.


Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?
 
2012-10-10 12:03:45 PM  

Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.


You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.
 
2012-10-10 12:05:51 PM  

ghare: Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.

You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.


The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
 
2012-10-10 12:07:13 PM  

Some_Local_Deity: The Freeper response to this is... sad? interesting? Basically, they agree that they don't know what Mitt stands for on anything. They just know he's not a radical gun-grabbing black supremacist Muslim socialist, so he's their man. Anybody But Obama (or whatever racist epithet they hit on any given day).

So much ignorance, fear and cognitive dissonance over there.


The other things are subsets of his blackitude, which he still refuses to renounce.
 
2012-10-10 12:07:23 PM  

Joe Blowme: Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?


Not every politician does it to the scale Romney does.

Quick. Tell me Romney's position on abortion. What he actually believes. Do it.

Actually, tell me what he said during the debate too. Can you? I doubt it.
 
2012-10-10 12:08:27 PM  

Joe Blowme: ghare: Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.

You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.

The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.


Oh, another old scared stupid racist decides to chime in. I'm SURE this time your post makes sense.
 
2012-10-10 12:08:45 PM  

Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.


This is my favorite teabagger talking point.

"We opposed everything in ObamaCare, and it will destroy America, but we don't know what was in it"
 
2012-10-10 12:10:54 PM  

Aarontology: Joe Blowme: Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?

Not every politician does it to the scale Romney does.

Quick. Tell me Romney's position on abortion. What he actually believes. Do it.

Actually, tell me what he said during the debate too. Can you? I doubt it.


So now its about your perception on th severity of the crime? He only robbed a gas station not a bank so its not as bad. Just admit all politicians suck and are scum. You sound like Whoppie defending the rapist Polanski... rape, rape
 
2012-10-10 12:10:57 PM  

Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama?


How many times is this ridiculous talking point going to be brought up?

The democrats had 2 months, tops and even then they weren't immune to the fillibuster. A republican congress whose stated goal is to make Obama a one term President even if it destroys the country can't be stopped from obstructing everything he's trying to do, no matter what.
 
2012-10-10 12:11:54 PM  

Joe Blowme: both sides are bad so vote Republican


Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it.
 
2012-10-10 12:12:38 PM  

Mugato: Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama?

How many times is this ridiculous talking point going to be brought up?

The democrats had 2 months, tops and even then they weren't immune to the fillibuster. A republican congress whose stated goal is to make Obama a one term President even if it destroys the country can't be stopped from obstructing everything he's trying to do, no matter what.


did not know we voted for new congress every 2 months, i should read more.
 
2012-10-10 12:12:41 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-10 12:13:25 PM  

Joe Blowme: Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?


WTF does that even mean?

"Well, he's just like every other politician, so stop biatching and vote for him" ?

If you're going to troll, then do it right
 
2012-10-10 12:13:27 PM  

ghare: Joe Blowme: both sides are bad so vote Republican

Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it.


Wait. I thought it was both sides are bad so vote RON PAUL!!1!
 
2012-10-10 12:13:49 PM  

Joe Blowme: ... i should read more.


Well, you finally got something right! Good boy, here's a treat!
 
2012-10-10 12:14:22 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: ghare: Joe Blowme: both sides are bad so vote Republican

Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it.

Wait. I thought it was both sides are bad so vote RON PAUL!!1!


He already said Republican.
 
2012-10-10 12:14:24 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: ghare: Joe Blowme: both sides are bad so vote Republican

Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it.

Wait. I thought it was both sides are bad so vote RON PAUL!!1!


They say that, but they all vote for whoever has a "R" by their name.
 
2012-10-10 12:14:32 PM  

ghare: Joe Blowme: ghare: Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.

You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.

The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Oh, another old scared stupid racist decides to chime in. I'm SURE this time your post makes sense.


Ahhh, the old battle cry of the weak minded. Cant possibly be because of his retarded policies.
HAHAHAHAH, keep up the good work.
 
2012-10-10 12:16:12 PM  

Aarontology: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: ghare: Joe Blowme: both sides are bad so vote Republican

Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it.

Wait. I thought it was both sides are bad so vote RON PAUL!!1!

He already said Republican.


You mean Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian??? Who's responsible?
 
2012-10-10 12:16:19 PM  

Joe Blowme: did not know we voted for new congress every 2 months, i should read more.


You should.

Joe Blowme: did not know we voted for new congress every 2 months, i should read more.


You should. Google Al Franken senator.
 
2012-10-10 12:16:56 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You mean Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian??? Who's responsible?


It's shocking as hell, isn't it?
 
2012-10-10 12:17:13 PM  

bhcompy: Nuuu: bhcompy: There is nothing contradictory about these statements. Appointing a judge or getting rid of funding is not legislation. He's just speaking politician speak in a very literal way, so no one can claim he lied.

Getting rid of funding is legislation. All discretionary funding goes through appropriation bills that have to undergo the normal legislative process to become laws, i.e., legislation.

Not necessarily. An executive order could suffice


That's highly doubtful. You can't just write "I hereby defund Planned Parenthood" and have it be true, even as an executive order. Congress controls the purse strings by design and the president can't simply overrule their funding decisions. You may think that the President's executive powers are unlimited given Obama's recent high profile decision to not enforce certain immigration laws under certain circumstances, but everyone agrees that even that pushes the bounds of what the executive can unilaterally do, and what you're proposing is even more extreme.

Second, even Congress can't simply call out a single organization and declare them defunded. That's unconstitutional. Planned Parenthood gets its federal money from grants and programs that it qualifies for. To "defund" them you need rework the application criteria for those grants and programs so that Planned Parenthood no longer qualifies, or simply end those programs entirely. Again, these are things you can't accomplish by executive order. You need the legislative branch.
 
2012-10-10 12:17:24 PM  

ghare: sometime i touch myself in public while screaming at racists who walk by looking


WTF?

/wow, this is fun quoting things you never said.
//another strategy of the retarded huh?
 
2012-10-10 12:17:28 PM  
Okay so, he won't allow any new restrictions on abrotion, won't get rid of Obamacare, and won't give the rich a tax break? Clearly Romney's advisers think the path to victory is to run to the left of Obama and try to pick up all the disaffect liberals.


It's that or Real Romney is now engaged in an epic battle with candidate Romney for control of his body/soul
 
2012-10-10 12:18:33 PM  

CeroX: Joe Blowme: Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?

WTF does that even mean?

"Well, he's just like every other politician, so stop biatching and vote for him" ?

If you're going to troll, then do it right


Seeing as he's made the thread all about him I'd say he's doing it right.
 
2012-10-10 12:19:32 PM  

Magorn: Okay so, he won't allow any new restrictions on abrotion, won't get rid of Obamacare, and won't give the rich a tax break? Clearly Romney's advisers think the path to victory is to run to the left of Obama and try to pick up all the disaffect liberals.


It's that or Real Romney is now engaged in an epic battle with candidate Romney for control of his body/soul


It's not being a leftist when Romney does it. Duh.
 
2012-10-10 12:19:35 PM  

Joe Blowme: ghare: Joe Blowme: ghare: Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.

You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.

The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Oh, another old scared stupid racist decides to chime in. I'm SURE this time your post makes sense.

Ahhh, the old battle cry of the weak minded. Cant possibly be because of his retarded policies.
HAHAHAHAH, keep up the good work.


Huh, noticing facts makes me weak minded. Well, I DID forget to mention that you seem to dislike women, in addition to being a stupid scared racist who can't take personal responsibility for being a failure.
 
2012-10-10 12:21:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: He said, ""There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda." Weasel words aside, that means he doesn't plan to support anti-abortion laws, which is the exact opposite of what you claim.


Well, it's not the exact opposite of what I said, but I did oversimplify. There theoretically could be a legislation that would become part of his agenda. He's just not aware of it. (And deliberately keeping himself unaware conveniently helps him say that).

His campaign's statement that he "would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life", could theoretically apply to non-abortion related legislation that provides greater protections for life; such as an individual mandate for health insurance, reducing military funding, or requiring HPV vaccinations for teenage girls.

Look, I'm here to make fun of Romney's duplicity as much as the rest of you. I'm just making sure we do it in a technically accurate way.
 
2012-10-10 12:21:28 PM  
"Our imaginary sky pilot is better than your imaginary sky pilot"

"Our lying piece of shiat talking head is better than your lying piece of shiat talking head."

Yep, it's a FARK circle jerk.
 
2012-10-10 12:21:58 PM  

Aarontology: Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

This is my favorite teabagger talking point.

"We opposed everything in ObamaCare, and it will destroy America, but we don't know what was in it"


Here, take this pill. It should make you feel better, but we don't know what's in it. Same argument. Do you take the pill?

/And for the record, I do not support Romney. In fact, I likely would support Obama if he would grow a spine and stand up to congress like he said he would.
 
2012-10-10 12:22:35 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: "Our imaginary sky pilot is better than your imaginary sky pilot"

"Our lying piece of shiat talking head is better than your lying piece of shiat talking head."

Yep, it's a FARK circle jerk.


So vote Republican, right?
 
2012-10-10 12:25:09 PM  
Romney obviously loves the poor. Haven't you figured it out yet?

"Romney vetoed a funding bill for payment of attorneys representing the poor, declaring that it was more important for the state to balance its books than to pay attorneys, and that the attorneys should provide the services pro bono. The cuts in payments for representation of the indigent provoked outraged attorneys to strike."
 
2012-10-10 12:26:58 PM  

ghare: Joe Blowme: ghare: Joe Blowme: ghare: Mugato: Ordinary Genius: You mean like Obama on Gitmo, Foreign policy, Detention, the Drug War, and gay marriage?

All but the gay marriage thing were because of Congress and you know it. You're willingly talking bullshiat hoping some people are too dumb to realize. You should be on Romney's staff. And you should be one of his employees too.

You really think people post gibberish like this without getting paid?

/I know, I know, I have old scared stupid racist nuts in my family too.

The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Oh, another old scared stupid racist decides to chime in. I'm SURE this time your post makes sense.

Ahhh, the old battle cry of the weak minded. Cant possibly be because of his retarded policies.
HAHAHAHAH, keep up the good work.

Huh, noticing facts makes me weak minded. Well, I DID forget to mention that you seem to dislike women, in addition to being a stupid scared racist


Keep it up and im going to cry!
HAHAHAHAHAh

"who can't take personal responsibility for being a failure." Sounds like you are calling me a democrat, that is just uncalled for.
Pop quiz hot shot, what party fought against civil rights, for slavery, and elected a former Klan Exalted Cyclops a leader of the senate? HINT: last name was Byrd

/got to go to work now so i can help pay for your Obama Phone
 
2012-10-10 12:27:07 PM  
Romney will ensure that all 100% of the 53% are taken care of properly!

"Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental and eyeglass benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.[80][81] However, the state legislature overrode all of the vetoes."
 
2012-10-10 12:27:41 PM  

gilgigamesh: Delay: FlashHarry: it's pretty easy for them to control the message: vote for "not the black guy".

Well, it's weird that Romney's own spokesperson does more to expose Romney's BS than the media.

It's actually a pattern, and it seems to be a deliberate tactic.

Romney's campaign has been trying to play both sides of controversial issues by having the candidate say one thing in public -- the mainstream view -- only to have his campaign walk the statement back almost immediately. That way the low information mainstream voters hear what they want to hear and get on with life. When the base complains about his position, the campaign can say he "misspoke" and the record has been corrected. But most voters don't know about the walk-back.

I've noticed it happens all the time; far too often to be simple error or ineptitude.


Oh Romney is clever. PBS has an intresting documentary about elections Obama and Romney both lost in previous attempts. They showed parts from a debate Romney had with Ted Kennedy for the senate seat there and Ted ate Mitt for breakfast, it was odd espcially how now Mitt seems so poised and polished. But I guess from that defeat he learned a lot on how to be more politician like.
 
2012-10-10 12:27:44 PM  

Ordinary Genius: Here, take this pill. It should make you feel better, but we don't know what's in it. Same argument. Do you take the pill?


Were the contents of that pill debated in Congress for over a year, talked about on the news every single day for over a year, and the main topic of debate all around the country for over a year? Because ObamaCare was. If anyone didn't know what was in it, then it's their own goddamned fault for being willfully ignorant and their words should not be taken seriously since they, apparently, lived under a rock for over a year. but they know they oppose it because it will destroy everything. Even though they don't know what is in it.
 
2012-10-10 12:28:34 PM  
All your uteruses are belong to us.
 
2012-10-10 12:34:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: Stupid libs, haven't you ever heard of a candidate's position on an issue evolving? Like your precious Obama's opinion on gay marriage?

In this case, Romney's position on abortion simply evolves by adapting to whomever he happens to be talking to at that given moment.


This is less evolution and more superposition. Romney somehow has every conceivable position on every possible issue.
 
2012-10-10 12:37:24 PM  
When I was in a relationship I thought that reproductive choice was the litmus-test issue that would determine whom I voted for. Which side I was on depended on which side she was on (based upon my firm conviction that having one dick means you should get NO vote on the matter)

Now that I'm single, I just want to see a big-ass war with Iran.
 
2012-10-10 12:37:25 PM  

Joe Blowme: Aarontology: Joe Blowme: Sounds like every politician on the planet, so why you so butt hurt?

Not every politician does it to the scale Romney does.

Quick. Tell me Romney's position on abortion. What he actually believes. Do it.

Actually, tell me what he said during the debate too. Can you? I doubt it.

So now its about your perception on th severity of the crime? He only robbed a gas station not a bank so its not as bad. Just admit all politicians suck and are scum. You sound like Whoppie defending the rapist Polanski... rape, rape


You didn't answer the question: What is Romney's position on abortion? And you're not going to. Not that anybody cares, but I only ignore blatant outright trolls who show no signs of actual thought or interest in discussion. Congratulations, you qualify. Buh-bye.
 
2012-10-10 12:40:19 PM  

Barnstormer: When I was in a relationship I thought that reproductive choice was the litmus-test issue that would determine whom I voted for. Which side I was on depended on which side she was on (based upon my firm conviction that having one dick means you should get NO vote on the matter)

Now that I'm single, I just want to see a big-ass war with Iran.


What about having two dicks?
 
2012-10-10 12:40:48 PM  

Barnstormer: When I was in a relationship I thought that reproductive choice was the litmus-test issue that would determine whom I voted for. Which side I was on depended on which side she was on (based upon my firm conviction that having one dick means you should get NO vote on the matter)

Now that I'm single, I just want to see a draft and then a big-ass war with Iran.


FTFY. Iran is 4 times the size of Iraq. And we sent 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.

I wonder how many troops Eric Shinseki thinks we will have to have to take and hold Iran. Shhhhh. Let's not get him "retired" again for speaking the truth.
 
2012-10-10 12:41:22 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: It is so transparent what Romney is trying to do. The fact that he's getting away with it is absolutely mind-boggling and infuriating. John Kerry voted against a procedural motion to make a point about the Iraq war then voted to keep funding it and was tagged a flippy-floppy waffler for eight months straight. This is the second time since the Republican convention that Romney and his campaign have taken diametrically opposed positions on abortion in the same farking day and nobody seems to give a shiat. Unbelievable

/and after the last week, the next person that says to my face that the media is in Obama's pocket or has a liberal bias is going to get cockpunched so hard they'll have to piss through their asshole. 
//ohemad.jpg
///goddam straight I'm mad


This really should tell you that it does not matter.
Just curtains blowing in the breeze.
 
2012-10-10 12:41:48 PM  

Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.


yeah, that's pretty much the entire election. right now the ballot would be no different if it was obama vs. "white person to be named later." that is what scares the shiat out of me... that people will vote for someone without having any idea what they think about anything, except for the negative stuff that has come out from behind-closed-door fundraisers.
 
2012-10-10 12:42:04 PM  

Aarontology: Ordinary Genius: Here, take this pill. It should make you feel better, but we don't know what's in it. Same argument. Do you take the pill?

Were the contents of that pill debated in Congress for over a year, talked about on the news every single day for over a year, and the main topic of debate all around the country for over a year? Because ObamaCare was. If anyone didn't know what was in it, then it's their own goddamned fault for being willfully ignorant and their words should not be taken seriously since they, apparently, lived under a rock for over a year. but they know they oppose it because it will destroy everything. Even though they don't know what is in it.


If I recall correctly, there were members of congress who had read parts of it, and did not like those parts. They then decided that it would be bad based on those portions of it. I think it would be similar, if not identical, to the argument that the NDAA should not be passed as a whole because of sections 1021 and 1022.

The question is whether you want to vilify a member for being against something based on their views of a portion of the bill. It seems that that is the case for you. To put it in topical terms of this thread, would be okay had Obamacare had a portion of it which prohibited all abortions? or would you say "scrap the whole thing" because of that one bad section? If it had that section, would you bother reading the rest?
 
2012-10-10 12:42:34 PM  

stampylives: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

yeah, that's pretty much the entire election. right now the ballot would be no different if it was obama vs. "white person to be named later." that is what scares the shiat out of me... that people will vote for someone without having any idea what they think about anything, except for the negative stuff that has come out from behind-closed-door fundraisers.


Welcome to the New Order.
 
2012-10-10 12:42:47 PM  

bhcompy: Barnstormer: When I was in a relationship I thought that reproductive choice was the litmus-test issue that would determine whom I voted for. Which side I was on depended on which side she was on (based upon my firm conviction that having one dick means you should get NO vote on the matter)

Now that I'm single, I just want to see a big-ass war with Iran.

What about having two dicks?


img.timeinc.net

Been done.
 
2012-10-10 12:44:58 PM  

Ordinary Genius: Aarontology: Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

This is my favorite teabagger talking point.

"We opposed everything in ObamaCare, and it will destroy America, but we don't know what was in it"

Here, take this pill. It should make you feel better, but we don't know what's in it. Same argument. Do you take the pill?

/And for the record, I do not support Romney. In fact, I likely would support Obama if he would grow a spine and stand up to congress like he said he would.


He can't... In order to do that he has to have support from his party, and while they "support" him, the democratic party itself is, at best scattered on issues and in some cases completely at odds with itself on others.

The democratic party has the same problem the left wing liberals have, there are too many people focusing on too many different issues to be unified...

I will hand it to the republicans in that they are a focused party... I just feel they are focused on the wrong thing...

The Democrats i think are on their way out soon... The moment a real party forms and steps up, they will crack.

And it won't be the Libertarians either... they have too many batshiat insane people in their party to be taken seriously
 
2012-10-10 12:45:22 PM  
Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga
 
2012-10-10 12:46:18 PM  

Ordinary Genius: The question is whether you want to vilify a member for being against something based on their views of a portion of the bill. It seems that that is the case for you. To put it in topical terms of this thread, would be okay had Obamacare had a portion of it which prohibited all abortions? or would you say "scrap the whole thing" because of that one bad section? If it had that section, would you bother reading the rest?


yes, I would object, and I would say so.

I wouldn't claim to know nothing about it, yet oppose every aspect of it. Which is the talking point I'm criticizing.
 
2012-10-10 12:46:35 PM  

Nuuu: Second, even Congress can't simply call out a single organization and declare them defunded.


I take it you missed the entire ACORN vs Pimp Hat incident?
 
2012-10-10 12:46:54 PM  

Barnstormer:
Now that I'm single, I just want to see a big-ass war with Iran.


Yeah, a Republican friend of mine has a nuclear holocaust dream too. I don't get it. And he was even in Iraq and Afghanistan and lost fellow soldiers. But whatever. I guess I just don't get it.
 
2012-10-10 12:56:44 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga


Luckily he did.
 
2012-10-10 12:59:09 PM  

TwoHead: I take it you missed the entire ACORN vs Pimp Hat incident?


I actually did not miss that. Nor did I miss the fact that a federal judge struck down the ACORN defunding act as an unconstitutional bill of attainder. ACORN was never successfully defunded by the federal government, though they ultimately collapsed under the intense pressure from conservative conspiracy theorists. If that were going to happen to Planned Parenthood, though, it would have happened by now.
 
2012-10-10 12:59:52 PM  

Nuuu: TwoHead: I take it you missed the entire ACORN vs Pimp Hat incident?

I actually did not miss that. Nor did I miss the fact that a federal judge struck down the ACORN defunding act as an unconstitutional bill of attainder. ACORN was never successfully defunded by the federal government, though they ultimately collapsed under the intense pressure from conservative conspiracy theorists. If that were going to happen to Planned Parenthood, though, it would have happened by now.


So is ACORN still being funded?
 
2012-10-10 01:00:20 PM  

stampylives: Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

yeah, that's pretty much the entire election. right now the ballot would be no different if it was obama vs. "white person to be named later." that is what scares the shiat out of me... that people will vote for someone without having any idea what they think about anything, except for the negative stuff that has come out from behind-closed-door fundraisers.


It's the same questions people had about Kerry, yet people still voted for him.
 
2012-10-10 01:03:25 PM  
I've been saying for a long time the polls were an abortion so to speak. The very left round here were WAY over confident. The President is in real trouble. It's scary this asshat Rmoney could win even while flip flopping like a man possessed since the convention. BUT he very well could. Time for the left and the moderates who support the President to get up of the matt.
 
2012-10-10 01:06:51 PM  

Mugato: Cythraul: One thing he can't flip-flop on is his race, which is probably why some of his supporters continue to support him.

Sure?

[imgace.com image 580x424]


That pic still cracks me up.

/It's like watching a pink elephant. It's just not supposed to be that color.
//And then I keep thinking 'how do I convince Romney to paint himself pink'...
 
2012-10-10 01:08:41 PM  

TwoHead: So is ACORN still being funded?


ACORN received federal funds until they closed their doors due to non-governmental reasons.

If Mitt Romney is promising he'll defund Planned Parenthood in the same way that ACORN was defunded, he doesn't have to wait to become President, or do anything that requires the authority of any branch of government. He could do it now as a private citizen. So then, why is Planned Parenthood still funded today?
 
2012-10-10 01:11:37 PM  

Cythraul: Mrembo: ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!

That would make a funny comedy bit. Get a comedian playing the part of Romney, then have the 'debate moderator' ask Romney a question about a particular policy with a moderate constituent (wearing clothing and buttons and such identifying them so) next to the moderator.

Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter (Sarah Palin t-shirt, 'marriage = man and woman symbol button') next to him and say, "how about now?"


Johnny Carson did it.
 
2012-10-10 01:12:49 PM  
Mike_LowELL 2012-10-10 11:10:38 AM

I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it.
I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals


Dear Mike_LowELL:

Your performance art, entertaining as it is, is beginning to resemble a box of Chikin In a Biskit crackers left open for two months.

Try dropping the brown acid.
 
2012-10-10 01:20:57 PM  

Generation_D: Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*snort*

Bahahahahhahahaha...

*wheezes*

... heheh... whew...


/journalist
//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank
///want to be a millionaire as a media member? start as a multi-millionaire
 
2012-10-10 01:25:28 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Generation_D: Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*snort*

Bahahahahhahahaha...

*wheezes*

... heheh... whew...


/journalist
//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank
///want to be a millionaire as a media member? start as a multi-millionaire


Hey, can you tell me more about your super liberal bias?
 
2012-10-10 01:39:56 PM  
Will you people stop recording every thing he says. Of course what he tells one group of people to get elected is going to be completely different than what he tells another.
 
2012-10-10 01:42:01 PM  

ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.


Sounds reasonable. Let's give it a chance.
 
2012-10-10 01:53:18 PM  

ib_thinkin:
//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank



but then it will just be on its side.

/one of the first stupid jokes I made when I was about 7
 
2012-10-10 01:56:22 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it.


Two words - John Kerry. Son, I am disappoint.
 
2012-10-10 02:02:49 PM  
latinorebels.com
 
2012-10-10 02:09:50 PM  
They're politicians
they're rich
they will lie to get in office as your 'representative'

you've had 4 years of lies
seems to me that you'll have 4 more no matter WHO you jackasses pick.
It's how they work, and you will vote and smile
that's how you work
..just stop pretending one is honest
seriously
 
2012-10-10 02:12:25 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga



encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-10 02:18:08 PM  

fadat: Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it.

Two words - John Kerry. Son, I am disappoint.


Someone needs to calibrate their sarcasm detector.
 
2012-10-10 02:28:15 PM  

ib_thinkin: Cythraul: Mrembo: ib_thinkin: Don't like what Mitt Romney says? Wait ten minutes.

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!

That would make a funny comedy bit. Get a comedian playing the part of Romney, then have the 'debate moderator' ask Romney a question about a particular policy with a moderate constituent (wearing clothing and buttons and such identifying them so) next to the moderator.

Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter (Sarah Palin t-shirt, 'marriage = man and woman symbol button') next to him and say, "how about now?"

Johnny Carson did it.


That video had no audio -- and a pop-up ad for Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-10 02:40:43 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga


[bears repeating]


At the time he made the statement, the economy was bleeding 800.000 jobs a month.

Is that still the case? No, it isn't. We've gone from that to consistent net gains in unemployment.

So I guess this means you'll be voting for Obama!
 
2012-10-10 02:46:16 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.


So Romney is a cubist candidate who can project multiple different answers to an issue, displaying all of them simultaneously for the viewer to interpret the two dimensional jumble of things that only form in their minds and with their own input into a whole?

upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org

Picasso says, "or maybe he's just full of shiat and has no core values and will say anything to get elected."
 
2012-10-10 02:47:56 PM  

ib_thinkin: Five Tails of Fury: Generation_D: Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*snort*

Bahahahahhahahaha...

*wheezes*

... heheh... whew...


/journalist
//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank
///want to be a millionaire as a media member? start as a multi-millionaire

Hey, can you tell me more about your super liberal bias?


Oh, yes, that. When I was working for newspapers, the one I was with the longest was owned for most of its run by noted pinko commie scumbag Conrad Black. So we of course stuffed flyers in for the local abortion mills and free government handout offices every week.
 
2012-10-10 03:06:12 PM  

Nuuu: ACORN received federal funds until they closed their doors due to non-governmental political reasons.


So congress can in fact pass a law to defund selectively but that is subject to judicial review which should overturn the law. ACORN was saved much like the condemned man who is found innocent after the sentence has been carried out. Two examples where being technically correct doesn't do you much good.
 
2012-10-10 03:22:38 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga


when the stimulus passed, the US was in recession, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the dow was at 6,000.
today, we're out of recession, we've gained private-sector jobs for 32 straight months, and the dow is at 13,000.

and all this was accomplished despite the entire republican party being unified in their efforts to destroy the recovery.

so, yeah, bazinga, indeed.
 
2012-10-10 03:51:19 PM  
Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.
farking idiots.
 
2012-10-10 03:55:17 PM  

FlashHarry: Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga

when the stimulus passed, the US was in recession, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the dow was at 6,000.
today, we're out of recession, we've gained private-sector jobs for 32 straight months, and the dow is at 13,000.

and all this was accomplished despite the entire republican party being unified in their efforts to destroy the recovery.

so, yeah, bazinga, indeed.


In the year before President Obama's inauguration foreclosure sales ramped up from 15,000 per month to 90,000 per month. The situation now:

The seemingly endless increases in foreclosures are long over.
Currently foreclosure sales are running at about 62,000 per month, but the sales are closer to loan value now than they were in 2008.
With a backlog of millions of loans in serious trouble, this will take years to clear.

So yeah Clem can go bazinga himself.
 
2012-10-10 04:02:00 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.
farking idiots.


Trolling or stupid? Hmm. I honestly cannot tell.
 
2012-10-10 04:05:25 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cup_O_Jo: Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.
farking idiots.

Trolling or stupid? Hmm. I honestly cannot tell.


Well, there's always c) mentally ill
 
2012-10-10 04:31:59 PM  

MacWizard: That video had no audio -- and a pop-up ad for Mitt Romney.


Sounds like a personal problem. Worked fine for me.

Five Tails of Fury: Oh, yes, that. When I was working for newspapers, the one I was with the longest was owned for most of its run by noted pinko commie scumbag Conrad Black. So we of course stuffed flyers in for the local abortion mills and free government handout offices every week.


Is that the Telegraph? I'm in the middle of ignoring a discussion about shareholder approval in my Business Acquisitions class, and he's come up a couple times.
 
2012-10-10 04:32:10 PM  
Romney is Schrödinger's Candidate
 
2012-10-10 04:34:22 PM  

WhiskeyBender: Aarontology: WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!

I've never seen one do it on literally every single issue like Romney has.

You're right. I haven't seen one issue he has stayed constant on. Well..taxes now that I think about it, but that is a given.


Obviously you didn't watch the debate.

/I used to think of Romney as a fairly reasonable moderate, but now I have no idea what to expect. He is deliberately vague -- not even releasing his plan! -- and gets away with contradicting himself all the damn time. Presumably it's a tactic, hoping that people will take what they want out of what he says and vote for him.
//He "won" the debate by high-school competition standards, but secured my vote for Obama.
 
2012-10-10 04:54:28 PM  
If you're a conservative and/or Republican and planning to vote for Romney because you think he will do ANYTHING on the abortion issue, you are sadly mistaken. He will use it as a ploy to raise funds and garner votes and nothing else. He will not appoint anti-abortion judges, nor will he encourage enforcement or legislation to combat abortion. He will only use the abortion issue for demagoguery and campaign financing, and he will keep quiet on it as much as possible because it is a political loser for him. So if you're not going to get a candidate who will stand against abortion, you might as well vote for someone who espouses your other values. Vote Gary Johnson (because he isn't one of the other two guys).
 
2012-10-10 05:26:18 PM  
Drew and the Fark mods must be getting more desperate. You can judge this by the increasing of amount of political threads that leak into the Man tab from the anti-Romney tab. 

/Fark is a private website under no obligation to be unbiased and I accept that.
 
2012-10-10 05:28:56 PM  

ManateeGag: if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.


You're not the only one who thinks that:

But none could doubt the movement's swagger when Norquist fine-tuned his newest talking point about Mitt Romney. He predicted that the leadership of the conservative movement for the next 20 years will emanate from Congress, not the White House (a likely development for which Democrats seem unprepared).

"We're not auditioning for someone to tell us what to do," he declared. "We know what to do. We just need a president who can sign the legislation that the Republican House and Senate pass. ... We don't need someone to think. ... We need someone who knows how to hold a pen."


Link
 
2012-10-10 05:46:27 PM  
What a piece of shiat.
 
2012-10-10 06:06:04 PM  

dletter: As long as Romney doesn't turn into a black kenyan muslim socialist, he can basically turn into anything else and the majority of his base will still vote for him.


Not really. I thought he was a moron during the primaries, and as the campaign progresses, I haven't seen anything that would change that opinion.

There's no way in hell I'd vote for Obama, but that doesn't translate into a Romney vote from me.
 
2012-10-10 06:41:23 PM  

hasty ambush: You can judge this by the increasing of amount of political threads that leak into the Man tab from the anti-Romney tab.


I love this man tab idea. Double date?
 
2012-10-10 07:34:44 PM  
He and his ilk are theocratic. Never vote for hyper-religious people. Ever.
 
2012-10-10 08:10:20 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Generation_D: Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*snort*

Bahahahahhahahaha...

*wheezes*

... heheh... whew...


/journalist
//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank
///want to be a millionaire as a media member? start as a multi-millionaire


Not you, the people on TV or with high profile jobs. The agenda setters, the people that pick and choose what today's talking points are.

Every talking head on every network is over 100K, some are massively over.

Those are the ones I see giving Romney's lying a free pass.

And really, have been toeing the line FOX writes for them for decades now. Nobody wants to *gasp* appear liberal, so they let the right wing claim any ridiculous thing they want.
 
2012-10-10 10:24:08 PM  
You know who else liked to tell big lies?

livingtheimpossibledream.com

And apparently this guy, too.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-10-10 11:29:33 PM  
So Romney lied again? The man knows no shame at all.
 
2012-10-10 11:43:16 PM  

Generation_D: And the other part of that comment is, if Obama can't be arsed to confront a mormon liar on TV and act like he wants the job, the hell with him. Seriously. The tea baggers should have been stomped on TV every week in 09, by Obama, the theoretical leader of the free world. Instead he is letting those senile plasterbrained punks have the floor and conceding points left and right in the name of "bipartisan cooperation."

Like a cowboy once said, you don't negotiate with terrorists. I consider tea baggers our modern taliban. They should be confronted as the liars they are, they should be shouted out of their own party and relegated back to the cult status they had. But little by little the Republicans have been cultivating these guys, and now we have the Reagan Youth all grown up in the form of Paul Ryan, who is the child of government entitlement yet wants to pull the rug out from everyone else that came after him.

I would like if Obama grew a pair and used his epic speaking skills to fight more like Dean or Clinton or Rendell, instead of being more like a younger Harry Reid.

The bully pulpit was yours, Barry. Why didn't you use it???


There are two more presidential debates. Obama can still recover. After all, Romney has used up all the zingers he memorized.
 
2012-10-11 01:03:42 AM  
you know that episode of the simpsons where homer runs to be in charge of the garbage men with all kinds of insanity and bullshiat, then wins on his insanity and bullshiat and the guy that knows his shiat is begged to come back and he's like "Nope, you voted for this retard, deal with it."


... yeah thats what this whole election is reminding me of.
 
2012-10-11 01:35:59 AM  
I watched a really good bio on both men tonight on Frontline (PBS). I know you're thinking of course it must have been heavily biased to the left. But to this Obama supporter it seemed pretty fair. Interviews with friends, family, former classmates, political allies and foes.

This is what I took away from it. Obama was an idealist who wanted to unite people and he did a pretty good job of it until he was elected. Passing Obama Care polarized Washington and America (not a single Republican voted for it) to the point that from there on out he was unable to further his agenda, especially after the mid-term elections. From there on out he concentrated on something he did not need bi-partisan support for- an accelerated war on terrorism, culminating with the death of Osama Bin Laden. At this point he as partisan as any politician, asking voters to choose between two very different paths and warning his defeat will lead to the failed policies of the past. No longer does he purport to being able to unite the country to a common cause.

Romney, oh Romney. Certainly a very effective businessman. And he was able to pass Romney Care with Democratic support, and the guidance of the top economic minds in the country. (The same guys who later advised Obama on his plan.) But really does have a history of espousing whatever views are convenient to his political success. And no it's not "evolution". I imagine he justifies this as doing what is necessary so that once in power he can "fix" whatever the problem is. It's not that he doesn't stand for anything it's just that he sees his personal views as secondary to gaining and wielding power, if that makes any sense.

It was an illuminating program, obviously with much more to it than I've said. I think most people would learn a lot from it, I did. It was funny learning more in an hour than I have up until now about these two, an I consider myself more "up" on politics than most.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all could really take an honest informed look at our politicians and make our decisions based on that?
 
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