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(Reuters)   Toyota recalls 300,000 ... wait, make that 1 million... oops, I meant 3 million .. sorry, it should be.... oh forget it, just bring your car in   (reuters.com) divider line 49
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2012-10-10 09:26:03 AM
Is it just me, or does Toyota seem to have more recalls than every other manufacturer?
 
2012-10-10 09:45:06 AM
Looks like I managed to escape the recall.
 
2012-10-10 09:57:42 AM
And you all laughed at me when I bought a Yaris with the old-timee crank window thingees.

/huh huh huh, crank
 
2012-10-10 10:18:39 AM

Aarontology: Is it just me, or does Toyota seem to have more recalls than every other manufacturer?


I think there's a couple of options here. One is that Toyota is more honest about their mistakes and does recalls quicker than other automakers. Two is that in their push to become a major power, they overextended themselves and severely trashed the quality the cars were known for, leading to widespread quality failures. The first may be true, though I would think the Japanese tendency to refuse to every show weakness would work against that, and I have read stories claiming the second.
 
2012-10-10 10:23:37 AM

GAT_00: Aarontology: Is it just me, or does Toyota seem to have more recalls than every other manufacturer?

I think there's a couple of options here. One is that Toyota is more honest about their mistakes and does recalls quicker than other automakers. Two is that in their push to become a major power, they overextended themselves and severely trashed the quality the cars were known for, leading to widespread quality failures. The first may be true, though I would think the Japanese tendency to refuse to every show weakness would work against that, and I have read stories claiming the second.


Out of those, I think the second is most likely, since when they do do recalls, they're usually pretty huge. It's not like they're recalling 30,000 of a particular model that had a glitch from a particular run on at the factory. It's millions of cars of every model for a wide variety of problems, and it happens pretty frequently. So it looks like they're cutting a ton of little corners that eventually come back to bite them in the ass.
 
2012-10-10 11:08:39 AM
CTRL F + "Prius"... nope, my Toyota's fine, thanks.

/Smug
 
2012-10-10 12:39:13 PM
But Farkers have been telling me forever that Toyota is the best thing ever followed closely by Ford.

Usually you have to buy up to a Volkswagen to get this kind of fiery quality.
 
2012-10-10 12:39:52 PM
One would have been my car. If that jerk hadnt run a stop sign a month ago. I had a few recalls on my 05 Corolla, they were quick to fix them and very apologetic about the whole thing. Thats why now I am looking at getting another.
 
2012-10-10 12:52:32 PM
Oh look, no FJ cruiser. Thank you Hino truck plant for having much better quality than Toyota proper.
 
2012-10-10 01:05:43 PM

Psylence: Oh look, no FJ cruiser. Thank you Hino truck plant for having much better quality than Toyota proper.


Only Toyota worth owning IMO. I miss mine, but couldn't afford the gas when we moved to a city that required driving a lot more.
 
2012-10-10 01:09:02 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: But Farkers have been telling me forever that Toyota is the best thing ever followed closely by Ford.

Usually you have to buy up to a Volkswagen to get this kind of fiery quality.


I've been driving a rental 2012 Corolla CE, it's a POS. Buzzy engine, terrible ergonomics, the interior screams cost cutting everywhere, it has 24K KM and the OEM tires already are almost worn out, it has poor brakes (they bite well, then have the worst fade I've ever experienced), very heavy steering.

I felt like I was flung back to 1995 with the way it drives and its feature set.
 
2012-10-10 01:35:12 PM
If it was GM, they would just let your power windows set the car on fire.
 
2012-10-10 01:38:19 PM
Well at least it seems like they are fixing them right. Honda just expanded the 2006 CRV window switch recall. Instead of a proper repair, CRV's are getting a bandaid repair.
 
2012-10-10 01:54:47 PM

RexTalionis: Looks like I managed to escape the recall.


me too, manual powered window for the win... plus, the car's 10 years old. i think they made them better then.
 
2012-10-10 02:11:39 PM

twobux: And you all laughed at me when I bought a Yaris with the old-timee crank window thingees.

/huh huh huh, crank


I have a factory-alarmed, central door locking, rear wipered, crank windowed VW.

/window motors suck to change.
 
2012-10-10 03:00:52 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Psylence: Oh look, no FJ cruiser. Thank you Hino truck plant for having much better quality than Toyota proper.

Only Toyota worth owning IMO. I miss mine, but couldn't afford the gas when we moved to a city that required driving a lot more.


I can't believe it took me this many years to get around to buying one. As soon as I learned that yes indeed, you can get a manual, I was at the dealer. Glad I was confused for a while though, since Army Green looks totally badass. You are right on gas though, if not for corporate gas cards I'd be in trouble....
 
2012-10-10 04:34:56 PM

Aarontology: Is it just me, or does Toyota seem to have more recalls than every other manufacturer?


My 2011 VW Jetta (4 recall notices so far) says it's just you.
 
2012-10-10 04:52:43 PM
'04 Corolla, I'm good.
 
2012-10-10 05:01:52 PM
my corolla has crank windows.
 
2012-10-10 06:03:35 PM

StoPPeRmobile: twobux: And you all laughed at me when I bought a Yaris with the old-timee crank window thingees.

/huh huh huh, crank

I have a factory-alarmed, central door locking, rear wipered, crank windowed VW.

/window motors suck to change.


That's any car. My old Ford Tempo 5spd had the window motor go out: $350 (replaced the motor in 1998) and that sucked.

Still was a great car, over 160k miles when I replaced it, no major trouble (just that power window motor), no burning oil, everything still worked. I hated trading it in, but I needed a truck for work.
 
2012-10-10 06:40:17 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: If it was GM, they would just let your power windows set the car on fire.


Nah that's Ford. If it were GM it would cause the transmission to fail.
 
2012-10-10 06:41:17 PM
As someone who works for a major aerospace company struggling after a few years of trying to implement"The Toyota Way", I'm getting a kick out of this article.

/CI, 5S, and Lean Practitioning can go fark themselves.
 
2012-10-10 08:38:11 PM
So glad to be a new Honda owner.
 
2012-10-10 08:38:46 PM
I can't hear you over the sound of my Mercedes not being recalled
 
2012-10-10 08:39:45 PM

humanshrapnel: As someone who works for a major aerospace company struggling after a few years of trying to implement"The Toyota Way", I'm getting a kick out of this article.

/CI, 5S, and Lean Practitioning can go fark themselves.


I'll go you one further, I work for a bank and I have to deal with doing things the Toyota Way
 
2012-10-10 08:53:06 PM

twobux: And you all laughed at me when I bought a Yaris with the old-timee crank window thingees.

/huh huh huh, crank


I think crack windows are so much more sensible than motorized windows. Why would a consumer want to pay extra for more complexity which increases the likelihood that, at some point, you won't be able to roll down your windows? With that thought in mind, personally, I think cars with power windows should cost less than cars with the more reliable manual windows. Recently, however, I was in the waiting room at a auto repair garage flipping through cars for sale ads and it seemed they all had power windows. It made me wonder if manual windows were being phased out.
 
2012-10-10 10:47:40 PM
FTA: No accidents, injuries or deaths have been reported as a result of the problem

Oh no, I'd better stop driving my Toyota immediately.

But continue making this out to be a repeat of the Corvair.
 
2012-10-10 10:51:50 PM

Lunaville: I think crack windows are so much more sensible than motorized windows. Why would a consumer want to pay extra for more complexity which increases the likelihood that, at some point, you won't be able to roll down your windows?


Because if I'm by myself in the car, I can only roll down one window with manual, unless I reach across the car in a way that will likely result in fiery death. With power windows I can roll them all down. Well, except for the one that doesn't work anymore.

/btw, what's a crack window?
 
2012-10-11 06:11:14 AM
I've had two Toyota's of recent vintage (2006, 2008 currently) that have been wholly untouched by the multitude of Toyota recalls in the last few years.

I keep hearing all this bullshiat 'bout how Toyotas suck now, but I guess I'm just lucky. Again.
 
2012-10-11 06:36:33 AM

Aarontology: It's not like they're recalling 30,000 of a particular model that had a glitch from a particular run on at the factory. It's millions of cars of every model for a wide variety of problems, and it happens pretty frequently.


Um, you don't really get to pick where the flaw is, unless you're deliberately designing a piece of shiat. If they find out in consumer feedback reports that the tail lamp is failing. . . well, every single vehicle has those.

For what it's worth, Honda and Toyota have a very different view of quality control than the other manufacturers. When they recall something the inside memo usually starts with "When part A is at max tolerance in this direction and part B is also at max tolerance in this direction, in severe weather conditions. . ." When you consider worst-case double fault failures, you greatly increase your chances of a recall but the quality will be much higher than anyplace else you'll find.

I wouldn't wish a Honda design review on anyone. . . guh, by the time we're done my vision is blurry from fatigue.
 
2012-10-11 06:47:54 AM
This makes 4 active campaigns on my RAV 4. The only one that really concerns me, the rear suspension, isn't ready for resolution yet.
 
2012-10-11 07:10:51 AM

Psylence: I can't believe it took me this many years to get around to buying one. As soon as I learned that yes indeed, you can get a manual, I was at the dealer. Glad I was confused for a while though, since Army Green looks totally badass. You are right on gas though, if not for corporate gas cards I'd be in trouble....


The army green is definitely nice. Ours was a blue '07. More than anything, I loved the powertrain. It was a beast. And having lived through the year of record snowfall in the DC area, I was grateful to have that truck instead of our old Civic. Being from Florida, where there's never any need for it, I never really appreciated the concept of 4WD. I did after that winter.
 
2012-10-11 08:45:41 AM
Something something Japanese car makers better than American car makers rabble rabble rabble...
 
2012-10-11 09:28:33 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: If it was GM, they would just let your power windows set the car on fire.


After the plastic breaks off and stabs your finger then shocks you, then while you're pissing yourself from agony the seat heater shorts out frying your nads.
 
2012-10-11 09:39:42 AM

Beer It's What's For Dinner: Lunaville: I think crack windows are so much more sensible than motorized windows. Why would a consumer want to pay extra for more complexity which increases the likelihood that, at some point, you won't be able to roll down your windows?

Because if I'm by myself in the car, I can only roll down one window with manual, unless I reach across the car in a way that will likely result in fiery death. With power windows I can roll them all down. Well, except for the one that doesn't work anymore.

/btw, what's a crack window?


I have crank windows in both of my cars, a '95 Civic and a '97 Saturn Station Wagon (I sound poor). I can reach three of the cranks without taking my eyes off the road.
 
2012-10-11 09:44:03 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Psylence: I can't believe it took me this many years to get around to buying one. As soon as I learned that yes indeed, you can get a manual, I was at the dealer. Glad I was confused for a while though, since Army Green looks totally badass. You are right on gas though, if not for corporate gas cards I'd be in trouble....

The army green is definitely nice. Ours was a blue '07. More than anything, I loved the powertrain. It was a beast. And having lived through the year of record snowfall in the DC area, I was grateful to have that truck instead of our old Civic. Being from Florida, where there's never any need for it, I never really appreciated the concept of 4WD. I did after that winter.


I wanted something with AWD and a manual, and it had to be a wagon type vehicle so carting 4 dogs around wouldnt be a problem. Our diesel Jetta wagon was completely unable to get up snow covered hills in my neighborhood even with great snow tires. So I got the FJ the following fall... and we got NO SNOW AT ALL.

So you people in the northeast can thank me for that.
 
2012-10-11 10:48:31 AM
So glad I sold my 2007 RAV4.

Let's see:

In 50,000 miles..It racked up:

2 new Transmissions
3 sets of tires
Airbag Recall
Oil Line recall
Pedal Recall

Now they have:
Window Switch Recall


Very soon they will have a suspension recall for the trailing arms. On top of this, the recalled oil lines are failing post-repair, and water pumps tend to flake out at 60K on the V6 engines. Oh, and it's $1300 to fix it since you have to pull the engine out of the car to replace it.

fark that noise, I traded it in for a Subaru.
 
2012-10-11 10:50:40 AM

Beer It's What's For Dinner:

/btw, what's a crack window?


A drive-thru in Detroit.
 
2012-10-11 11:36:32 AM

wolfzr2: So glad I sold my 2007 RAV4.

Let's see:

In 50,000 miles..It racked up:

2 new Transmissions
3 sets of tires
Airbag Recall
Oil Line recall
Pedal Recall

Now they have:
Window Switch Recall


Very soon they will have a suspension recall for the trailing arms. On top of this, the recalled oil lines are failing post-repair, and water pumps tend to flake out at 60K on the V6 engines. Oh, and it's $1300 to fix it since you have to pull the engine out of the car to replace it.

fark that noise, I traded it in for a Subaru.


Speaking from experience, switching to a modern Subaru in search of long term reliability is a bad idea.
 
2012-10-11 04:08:55 PM

dragonchild: Aarontology: It's not like they're recalling 30,000 of a particular model that had a glitch from a particular run on at the factory. It's millions of cars of every model for a wide variety of problems, and it happens pretty frequently.

Um, you don't really get to pick where the flaw is, unless you're deliberately designing a piece of shiat. If they find out in consumer feedback reports that the tail lamp is failing. . . well, every single vehicle has those.

For what it's worth, Honda and Toyota have a very different view of quality control than the other manufacturers. When they recall something the inside memo usually starts with "When part A is at max tolerance in this direction and part B is also at max tolerance in this direction, in severe weather conditions. . ." When you consider worst-case double fault failures, you greatly increase your chances of a recall but the quality will be much higher than anyplace else you'll find.

I wouldn't wish a Honda design review on anyone. . . guh, by the time we're done my vision is blurry from fatigue.


Have you even driven a Honda or a Toyota? My 1997 Honda Accord had the infamous power window failure that basically every farking Accord had too. When it to, oh, -5C, they'd die.

Yeah, "severe weather conditions" indeed.
 
2012-10-11 04:52:48 PM

Shazam999: Have you even driven a Honda or a Toyota?


Would you give a shiat if I did? Let's put it this way. I have several friends who've worked for both the Big 3 and Japanese OEMs. They drive Hondas and Toyotas.
 
2012-10-11 07:11:28 PM
I think all of these models were made in America. I didn't see 4runner's or Lexus on that list and I know for a fact those are still built in Japan.
 
2012-10-11 10:17:15 PM

Gonz: CTRL F + "Prius"... nope, my Toyota's fine, thanks.

/Smug


They don't recall ugly.

/they should
 
2012-10-12 03:38:50 AM
What is the Condition? The sliding electrical contact module in the driver's side Power Window Master Switch (PWMS) may experience a "notchy" or sticking feeling during operation.

If commercially available lubricants are applied to the switch in an attempt to address the "notchy" or sticky feel, melting or smoking of the switch assembly could occur. Under some circumstances, this could lead to a fire.


So the possibility of some idiot spraying conductive lubricant into an electrical switch equals a recall for millions of vehicles?

FWIW, the switches in my vehicle aren't sticky or notchy at all. But I'll take my car in to get it "fixed" because, if I don't, the next idiot to own the car might spray conductive lubricant in a switch then sue me because I skipped the recall.
 
2012-10-12 10:50:43 AM

89 Stick-Up Kid: I think all of these models were made in America. I didn't see 4runner's or Lexus on that list and I know for a fact those are still built in Japan.


the Yaris is still built in Japan, not made in the US at all. But go ahead and blame American workers anyway.

oh look, Toyota has known about the problem for four years. oh dear.

Link
 
2012-10-12 10:51:32 AM
fark tossed a BW link?

lets try that again

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-11/toyota-learned-of-window- s witch-defect-four-years-before-recall
 
2012-10-12 12:45:52 PM

dragonchild: Shazam999: Have you even driven a Honda or a Toyota?

Would you give a shiat if I did? Let's put it this way. I have several friends who've worked for both the Big 3 and Japanese OEMs. They drive Hondas and Toyotas.


Your story is crap, that's why. They do the same farking thing every other manufacturing company does - quality versus price.

Judging from the shiat that's spewing from their factories lately, I'd say greed and/or laziness is winning out.
 
2012-10-12 05:29:50 PM

dumbobruni: 89 Stick-Up Kid: I think all of these models were made in America. I didn't see 4runner's or Lexus on that list and I know for a fact those are still built in Japan.

the Yaris is still built in Japan, not made in the US at all. But go ahead and blame American workers anyway.

oh look, Toyota has known about the problem for four years. oh dear.

Link


Oh ok one out all of those. The rest are pure America POS...living up to the standard.
 
2012-10-12 07:26:25 PM

89 Stick-Up Kid: dumbobruni: 89 Stick-Up Kid: I think all of these models were made in America. I didn't see 4runner's or Lexus on that list and I know for a fact those are still built in Japan.

the Yaris is still built in Japan, not made in the US at all. But go ahead and blame American workers anyway.

oh look, Toyota has known about the problem for four years. oh dear.

Link

Oh ok one out all of those. The rest are pure America POS...living up to the standard.


my earlier post was wrong. Its not just the Yaris that is still built in Japan.

that generation of Camry was also built in Japan. as were the Corolla, Highlander, and RAV4 of those years. US production of the Highlander didn't start until 2009, and earlier years are included in the recall. RAV4 isnt made in the US at all.

but go ahead, continue your irrational hatred of the American assembly line worker.
 
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