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(CNN)   Body of slain Zetas cartel founder stolen by cartel gunmen. Either that, or he ascended into Heaven   (cnn.com) divider line 50
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2012-10-10 09:21:45 AM
As was prophesied!
 
2012-10-10 09:54:32 AM
Warren Oats sought for questioning.

/slightly obscure.
 
2012-10-10 09:56:20 AM
You know what other Zeta had his body stolen?

www.shockya.com

Cuchillo, that's who.
 
2012-10-10 10:30:10 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

ZETA THREAD
 
2012-10-10 10:49:22 AM

CastorTroy: ZETA THREAD


Those Zetas are entirely too capitated for this thread.
 
2012-10-10 11:38:59 AM

Gonz: CastorTroy: ZETA THREAD

Those Zetas are entirely too capitated for this thread.


I'll bet they're significant contributors to a drug lords coffers though.
 
2012-10-10 12:09:18 PM
Catherine Zeta Jones nervously looks over her shoulder, tries using her T-Mobile phone to call for help, and then realizes that she got dumped by T-Mobile.

\D'ohhhhh!!!!!
 
2012-10-10 12:09:22 PM
Subby - Heaven? I think that is an assumption.
 
2012-10-10 12:13:07 PM
So, did he have evidence on his person, or are they that fanatically loyal?
 
2012-10-10 12:14:09 PM

CastorTroy: [25.media.tumblr.com image 538x720]

ZETA THREAD


Those Zetas give head, not remove them.
 
2012-10-10 12:14:55 PM
Cartel people believe in the kind of religion and magic that might have this guy's body involved in some weird ceremony.
 
2012-10-10 12:18:16 PM
i90.photobucket.com

A Grievous Angel understands
 
2012-10-10 12:18:16 PM
www.imfdb.org

it's been done.

ppppppppppprrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-10-10 12:18:28 PM
FTA: Lazcano's death "certainly weakens dramatically the Zetas," said George Grayson, professor of government at the College of William & Mary and author of a book on the cartel.

Is this the same George Grayson who appears regularly on Alex Jones' show? Looks like it.

Cause nobody understands Mexico and the drug war better than a white guy living in Virginia.
 
2012-10-10 12:19:48 PM
And now the government's story about killing him is doubted.

The point of going after these guys is to show that the goverment is in charge and they aren't corrupt (see, they got the bad guy!). But the "man on the street" now has to wonder if they got the right guy. Or wonders at the weakness of the government that lost his body. Or worse - wonders if the killing is a plot by corrupt government officials who now have an excuse to no longer hunt for the bad guy.

In short, much of the gain the government can claim was quickly negated when they lost that body.
 
2012-10-10 12:22:08 PM
Affect the cartel??
With the amount of money involved, there's probably a line, waiting to fill the spot.
 
2012-10-10 12:24:05 PM
The Apotheosis of Saint Zetas of Cartel?

I think I had the Penguin paperback of that when I was a pre-teen.
 
2012-10-10 12:27:20 PM

cgraves67: So, did he have evidence on his person, or are they that fanatically loyal?


Doubt he had evidence on him still since they had already fingerprinted the body.
 
2012-10-10 12:28:20 PM
He was a Body Zetan!
 
2012-10-10 12:37:21 PM
He descended out of this world courtesy of Saint Muerta

blogs.amctv.com
 
2012-10-10 12:46:56 PM
Ooh, I hope Lamda Lamda Lamda and the Omega Moos take over.
 
2012-10-10 12:52:06 PM

AllUpInYa: Affect the cartel??
With the amount of money involved, there's probably a line, waiting to fill the spot.


lazcano was an ex-soldier, so he kept the group in line with discipline, and he was the one who plan the general strategies for the cartel. The next in the line is a brutal killer who only knows violence as a method. So, yes, the cartel will be affected, and i'm afraid more violence is to come, but i don't think it will last long... the brain for the cartel won't be there
 
2012-10-10 12:55:01 PM
Weekend at Heriberto's?
 
2012-10-10 12:57:58 PM
That's a nice pair of zetas.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-10 01:02:30 PM
Weekend at Heriberto's

First Guy: Where did you put the body of our slain leader Heriberto? If the other cartels at this party find out he is dead, they will wipe us out.

Second Guy: I put him on the couch. Oh no. The hot weather lady from Univision is sitting next to him.

Hot Univision Weather Lady: Oh Heriberto. You are so strong and silent. I like that in a drug cartel leader. (puts her hand on his thigh) Ohhh! I think he likes me too! It is already quite stiff!

First Guy: Oh No. Sorry lady, Heriberto is late for a meeting. He has to go now.

Second Guy: You have that affect on every man, lady. Even if they're dead.
 
2012-10-10 01:10:35 PM
Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.
 
2012-10-10 01:18:00 PM

CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.


Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor, healing the sick, or peace. After all, GOPJesus doesn't turn the other cheek when slapped - he slaps you first (and by slap, I mean smite with extreme prejudice so your smoking corpse is a warning to all others who may doubt His commitment to peace and love).
 
2012-10-10 01:18:31 PM
Neither the U.S. Government nor the State of New York could put away Dutch Schulz. Luciano finally approved the hit.

/watched "Bio" last night
 
2012-10-10 01:26:21 PM
i2.listal.com

'He's just a psychopathic killer, but so what?'
 
2012-10-10 01:38:24 PM

Private_Citizen: CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.

Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor, healing the sick, or peace. After all, GOPJesus doesn't turn the other cheek when slapped - he slaps you first (and by slap, I mean smite with extreme prejudice so your smoking corpse is a warning to all others who may doubt His commitment to peace and love).


Amazing how GOP Jesus is a lot like normal Mohammed, isn't it? Except the pedophile thing
 
2012-10-10 01:41:10 PM
www.instablogs.com
 
2012-10-10 02:05:53 PM
Personally, if Jesus is going to come back...why he would, I can't imagine; look what we did to him the last go round...I think it would be HILARIOUS if he came back as a man of color...the Rebuplicans would turn themselves inside out. HILARIOUS, I tell you.

//of course, there are those of color in the rebuplican party who would rightfully say, "See!, I told you so!"
 
2012-10-10 02:35:54 PM
It doesn't make a difference. For every 'dealer/kingpin' that dies or gets arrested there are plenty more to step up and take their place.

The 'World' needs to face the fact that the 'War on Drugs' will never be won!
 
2012-10-10 04:12:17 PM
unimpressed
photo.goodreads.com
 
2012-10-10 05:18:49 PM
hammettman

My first thought also.
 
2012-10-10 05:59:24 PM

Private_Citizen: CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.

Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor [SNIP]


Where in the Bible does it say good Christians must support legislation that allows GOVERNMENT to decide

A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor
B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?
C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?

/pet peeve
 
2012-10-10 06:38:02 PM
And on the third day, he rose again.
 
2012-10-10 07:18:10 PM

elchupacabra: Private_Citizen: CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.

Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor [SNIP]

Where in the Bible does it say good Christians must support legislation that allows GOVERNMENT to decide

A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor
B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?
C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?

/pet peeve


Peeve away oh worshiper of GOPJesus! Poor people are disgusting, and if they were worthy, GOPJesus would have already elevated them. Their poverty reveals them to be sinners, therefore to aid them would be a grievous offense in the eyes of GOPJesus, as you would be thwarting His will.
 
2012-10-10 07:42:29 PM

Private_Citizen: elchupacabra: Private_Citizen: CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.

Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor [SNIP]

Where in the Bible does it say good Christians must support legislation that allows GOVERNMENT to decide

A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor
B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?
C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?

/pet peeve

Peeve away oh worshiper of GOPJesus! Poor people are disgusting, and if they were worthy, GOPJesus would have already elevated them. Their poverty reveals them to be sinners, therefore to aid them would be a grievous offense in the eyes of GOPJesus, as you would be thwarting His will.


Way to dodge the point:

A) I'm agnostic
B) Admonishing people to give more of themselves to help the poor =/= voting for people who will require it by law, and also define who qualifies

But by all means, call someone who doesn't vote for someone to make their charity decisions for them unchristian or GOP Christian.... Doesn't make sense to do so, but ok.
 
2012-10-10 10:17:45 PM
Per BBC this evening, Lazcano was a member of the Mexican Special Forces before he went all Vader. The Mexican Army, and Special Forces in particular, consider it their duty to make sure that all of their brothers are granted a decent burial. They think the body was snatched by his former teammates -- with the unwitting help of some Mexican Navy dudes who thought the body was safe and sound.
The Navy there seems to be more middle class, the Army peasant classes, and they don't talk much.
Oh, and the successor is already in place, a member of "The Forty" who run the cartel.
Depressing, huh?
 
2012-10-11 04:17:00 AM

elchupacabra: Where in the Bible does it say good Christians must support legislation that allows GOVERNMENT to decide



So you're saying Jesus would only want you to personally help the poor and if a government tries to do it, refuse? There is no logic here

elchupacabra: A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor



well if it were Jesus answering, everything. Sell everything you own. In fact he says it many times

elchupacabra: B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?


everyone

elchupacabra: C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?


And? You want to use all the services provided by government but never pay the bill?
 
2012-10-11 07:12:23 AM

elchupacabra: Private_Citizen: elchupacabra: Private_Citizen: CygnusDarius: Would you imagine the powerful shiatstorm in the Christian right in the US if Jesus reincarnated as a Mexican?.

Jesus return as a non-white? They would deny him as the antichrist.

Especially when he started preaching about helping the poor [SNIP]

Where in the Bible does it say good Christians must support legislation that allows GOVERNMENT to decide

A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor
B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?
C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?

/pet peeve

Peeve away oh worshiper of GOPJesus! Poor people are disgusting, and if they were worthy, GOPJesus would have already elevated them. Their poverty reveals them to be sinners, therefore to aid them would be a grievous offense in the eyes of GOPJesus, as you would be thwarting His will.

Way to dodge the point:

A) I'm agnostic
B) Admonishing people to give more of themselves to help the poor =/= voting for people who will require it by law, and also define who qualifies

But by all means, call someone who doesn't vote for someone to make their charity decisions for them unchristian or GOP Christian.... Doesn't make sense to do so, but ok.


Ok, here's the point. The Bible (and Jesus) repeatedly extol the virtues of helping the poor, healing the sick, and peace. Yet, the GOP, who claim to follow him, constantly extol the virtues of the rich, being boot strappy, and peace through superior firepower.

You want my peeve? That these self professed uber-Christians make being anti-choice the singular greatest moral argument - and yet abortion is Never mentioned in the Bible. In fact, the closest thing to abortion is mentioned in Exodus 21:25:

"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."

Therefore, the Bible doesn't consider a fetus a living person - as revealed by the Biblical punishment of a fine, as opposed to a "life for life" if you actually murder a person.
 
2012-10-11 10:49:10 AM

So you're saying Jesus would only want you to personally help the poor and if a government tries to do it, refuse? There is no logic here


I just don't buy into the logic that seems to state: "If you're a good Christian, you'll vote for people who will increase your taxes and claim it's used to help the poor." From what little (admittedly) I've seen of the Bible, I've not seen anything that would suggest an admonition to trust the government to use your gains to do the right thing.

elchupacabra: A) How much you must "donate" to help the poor


well if it were Jesus answering, everything. Sell everything you own. In fact he says it many times


And give directly to the poor, not to a government proxy who says, "trust me, this will go to who really would benefit it".

elchupacabra: B) Who is deserving of your "donation"?

everyone


Are we counting government and big business as "everyone" now? That seems a popular refrain to eliminate corporations as "people" so I'd hope we'd apply that to government in this case.

elchupacabra: C) That failing to donate according to requirements is an offense punishable by imprisonment and confiscation of property/garnishing of wages?

And? You want to use all the services provided by government but never pay the bill?


Ugh.... Knew that one would trip me up. Trying to make it more clear; there is a difference between "You're not a good enough person because you've not donated enough" and "You will go to jail and have your possessions confiscated because you've not donated enough".

Saying someone's not acting in a moral fashion is a far cry from saying they are criminal. Unless we're legislating morality now?
 
2012-10-11 10:57:05 AM
Ok, here's the point. The Bible (and Jesus) repeatedly extol the virtues of helping the poor, healing the sick, and peace. Yet, the GOP, who claim to follow him, constantly extol the virtues of the rich, being boot strappy [snip]

I'd see it more as not trusting government to provide the charity. But again, I'm just bugged by the argument that equates a moral position with a political and legal one. I just don't see that there's a part in the Bible that equates "moral Christian living" with "giving your possessions to a legally appointed proxy that redistributes it according to 'need' that the proxy defines".

Again, by all means point out the flaw in someone who claims to be a Christian and appears to have donated insufficiently, but that's a moral assertion and not really relevant to who we elect.


You want my peeve? That these self professed uber-Christians make being anti-choice the singular greatest moral argument - and yet abortion is Never mentioned in the Bible. In fact, the closest thing to abortion is mentioned in Exodus 21:25:

"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."

Therefore, the Bible doesn't consider a fetus a living person - as revealed by the Biblical punishment of a fine, as opposed to a "life for life" if you actually murder a person.


Not relevant to my position, but a fascinating point on another issue -- thanks for this.
 
2012-10-11 11:12:10 AM
Ok, I will try to deal with your point - and no snipping!

The GOP makes religion part of their party plank. They do it to get votes, as they claim to be the moral choice. The religion they claim is Christianity, but the plank ignores most of the actual teachings of the Bible and Jesus - things like aid to the poor, healing the sick and peace.

Your point seems to be that the Bible doesn't tell you to let government do these things. But that point ignores that the Bible has much to say about Government - including "pay your taxes" (Give Caesar his due). So, if you were going to set up a Government that was "good" in the eyes of the Lord, you would want it to follow the Bible's teachings - like aid to poor, healing the sick, and peace.

So, to bring it back to my original point, if Jesus were to return and preach his teachings again, few on the GOP would acknowledge him - as GOPJesus bears little resemblance to the original.
 
2012-10-11 11:45:46 AM
That sounds better than how I've been hearing it. And yeah, being agnostic kinda takes me out of it anyway.

That being said, the part about "Giving Caesar his due" seemed to be more about "don't try to get away from doing your duty even if you hate the boss". Not so much "Trust the government".

The dipshiats who keep claiming the IRS is illegal or claim to be their own country exempt from US Laws -- THAT's who you throw that Bible quote at.
 
2012-10-11 11:51:48 AM
Sovereign Citizens?? You could throw anything you want at them - they're crazy and they don't care.

/they've rejected our reality and substituted their own.
 
2012-10-11 12:05:42 PM
Yeah, that would be more for the benefit of their defenders... Can't reason with crazy, but you can at least make the defenders uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-11 08:14:11 PM

elchupacabra: I've not seen anything that would suggest an admonition to trust the government to use your gains to do the right thing.



That's circular logic. You are denying funding to the government that goes to programs that help the poor. It's as simple as that.

elchupacabra: And give directly to the poor, not to a government proxy who says, "trust me, this will go to who really would benefit it".



people on their own cannot do much to help the poor. Before the New Deal, poverty was widespread and only some areas received enough attention. The government stepped in to give access to programs to everyone, no matter if you live 100 miles from the nearest church or 1.

elchupacabra: Are we counting government and big business as "everyone" now? That seems a popular refrain to eliminate corporations as "people" so I'd hope we'd apply that to government in this case.



I am talking about people, what is the point of going off on this tangent?

elchupacabra: Ugh.... Knew that one would trip me up. Trying to make it more clear; there is a difference between "You're not a good enough person because you've not donated enough" and "You will go to jail and have your possessions confiscated because you've not donated enough".

Saying someone's not acting in a moral fashion is a far cry from saying they are criminal. Unless we're legislating morality now?



What happens if I walk into a restaurant, eat the finest meal, then say thanks and walk out? You can bet people will come after me.

There are harsh penalties for not paying taxes because the government does not want to make people think it's okay to live in a country but refuse to pay for all the services you use
 
2012-10-12 12:25:25 AM
That's circular logic. You are denying funding to the government that goes to programs that help the poor. It's as simple as that

Say what? I made no logical assertion at all, just said I see nothing in biblical statements that indicates that Christians were instructed to trust the government to do more for charity than through other community methods.

people on their own cannot do much to help the poor. Before the New Deal, poverty was widespread and only some areas received enough attention. The government stepped in to give access to programs to everyone, no matter if you live 100 miles from the nearest church or 1.

Fair enough argument, but that's not here nor there -- I am focusing on whether it's valid to assert that a "Good Christian" is obligated to vote for people that will take more of their income and redistribute it, based on biblical statements. I get annoyed by assertions that "Good Christians must vote Democrat or Socialist" like it should be a sin to vote against increased taxes.

I am talking about people, what is the point of going off on this tangent?

Ugh, I'm tired and caught the dumb. Drop this one, sorry -- I'll drop the question.

And? You want to use all the services provided by government but never pay the bill?

YES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. /facepalm

No, I'm saying that when we're talking about charity, it's one thing to have a moral admonition to "pay your fair share". That's good -- we always should have societal pressures to contribute to the better good. But it's another to have a legal obligation to pay the same -- when someone else decides you must pay a certain percent of your income to the causes they decide worthy and has the force of law behind it -- that's a whole different ball game.

Again, I'm trying to note the difference between saying, "Jesus says dedicate more of your life to helping others" and "Jesus says vote for a government that will redistribute wealth as it sees fit". I don't have to be a biblical scholar or even believe in Jesus et al to know that was all over the bible. But I've never seen anything that indicates anything beyond "Give Caesar his due" -- which, again, sounds more like "Don't think you can just ignore the law, obey it within limits" than "From Each according to his ability, To Each according to his need". And if there's a biblical quote that says that or at least gets closer, I'd love to see it quoted.
 
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