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2012-10-10 03:04:47 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?


Medical researchers are actually coming close to figuring out the exact mechanism that causes that, and think that they'll have a good chance of being able to stop the process.

Which means that we'll all live until we get a major disease, or our cells divide so many times that we get cancer. Oh, and since aging is caused by the process of cellular regeneration breaking down, you won't age, either. With regular treatment, you hit adulthood and stay at your physical prime indefinitely. Chew on the implications of that for a while.
 
2012-10-10 03:12:36 AM

cptjeff: With regular treatment, you hit adulthood and stay at your physical prime indefinitely. Chew on the implications of that for a while.


Yep, I saw that.
 
2012-10-10 03:23:35 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cptjeff: With regular treatment, you hit adulthood and stay at your physical prime indefinitely. Chew on the implications of that for a while.

Yep, I saw that.


Never heard of it, but from reading the synopsis it doesn't really look all that similar. That looks like Brave New World, but being able to live for centuries or more would have very different effects. Emotions would still work the same way- you just wouldn't grow old. Well, if you could afford the treatment.
 
2012-10-10 03:48:48 AM

Dr.Salvador: Abe Vigoda's not dead, Subby. What the hell are you talking about?


Oldest person. Vigoda's more of an angel of death who happened to take up acting.
 
2012-10-10 04:01:11 AM
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/problem solved
 
2012-10-10 04:11:43 AM

cptjeff: BraveNewCheneyWorld: cptjeff: With regular treatment, you hit adulthood and stay at your physical prime indefinitely. Chew on the implications of that for a while.

Yep, I saw that.

Never heard of it, but from reading the synopsis it doesn't really look all that similar. That looks like Brave New World, but being able to live for centuries or more would have very different effects. Emotions would still work the same way- you just wouldn't grow old. Well, if you could afford the treatment.


I viewed the aspect of their eternal happiness, dulling happiness itself, as a crude analogy for eternal boredom. I agree that emotions should still work the same way, but eventually, your cravings might become very different over time. Anyway, I'm just suggesting one possible implication of extreme longevity.
 
2012-10-10 04:16:30 AM
Georgia? Typical lying southerner.

:-D
 
2012-10-10 05:12:26 AM
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2012-10-10 05:25:09 AM

Just_a_Bear:
the cell stops dividing as a result. replicative senesense. it might still live quite a while afterward though.


Well, isn't that sort of a bad thing for a multi-cellular organism?
And cool info, cptjeff.

According to Wikipedia:
That the role of telomeres is far from being understood is demonstrated by two recent studies on long-lived seabirds. In 2003, scientists observed that the telomeres of Leach's Storm-petrel (Oceanodroma leucorhoa) seem to lengthen with chronological age, the first observed instance of such behaviour of telomeres.[18] In 2006, Juola et al.[19] reported that in another unrelated, long-lived seabird species, the Great Frigatebird (Fregata minor), telomere length did decrease until at least c.40 years of age (i.e. probably over the entire lifespan), but the speed of decrease slowed down massively with increasing ages, and that rates of telomere length decrease varied strongly between individual birds. They concluded that in this species (and probably in frigatebirds and their relatives in general), telomere length could not be used to determine a bird's age sufficiently well. Thus, it seems that there is much more variation in the behavior of telomere length than initially believed.
 
2012-10-10 05:30:48 AM
RIP
 
2012-10-10 05:56:23 AM
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2012-10-10 06:58:39 AM
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Well, I'm still here. But I don't know for how long. That's as much certainty as anyone can give me. But I've got some good news: I no longer have any fear of death. But... I am in a pretty lonely place. No one will have sex with me. I'm so close to the end, and all I want is to get laid for the last time. I have pornographic movies in my apartment, and lubricants, and amyl nitrite...
 
2012-10-10 07:17:18 AM
According to the article, Australia joined WWII in 1930. A nation of precogs should be doing better. They at least should have seen the dingo before it ate that baby.
 
2012-10-10 07:45:52 AM

God-is-a-Taco: 132 is definitely a stretch.
Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?


Telomeres?
 
2012-10-10 07:48:06 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Just_a_Bear: God-is-a-Taco: 132 is definitely a stretch.
Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?

you're thinking of telomeres. Not directly relevant to aging, actually.

Hmm... are you sure?
I could have sworn there was damage caused by the shortening that would lead to bad news.


I'm in Biology 1 in College right now. My understanding is that teleomeres are only responsible for the death of the cell.
 
2012-10-10 08:08:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: God-is-a-Taco: 132 is definitely a stretch.
Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?

God limited the lifespan of humans to 120 years. This woman is definitely lying.

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years."


Oh, right... like Russians have souls. Yank the other one, why doncha?
 
2012-10-10 09:06:10 AM
Two people you never want to be in this world: 1) the oldest on the planet or 2) a Kennedy.
 
2012-10-10 09:07:47 AM

cyberspacedout: Kevin72: No no no no no. And no. Her son, Mikhail is 72. Seventyfrickingtwo. Was she 60 when she beared? bored? borned him? I don't think so. She was somewhere between 92 and 112.

It is possible for women over 40 to bear children. It just becomes increasingly less likely until they hit menopause. 60 is a stretch, but plausible: Link


60 is a massive stretch. 40 is n't much of a stretch, it goes something like this. Before 24, chances of naturally concieving and bearing a child, 98%. Then it drops to 90%. At 30 it drops to 80%. At 35, it drops to 65%. By 40 it is about 35% or only one third of women. By 45 it is about 5%. A very few women can still have a child during the back end of their 40's and early fifties. Probably something like one in 10,000 to one in 1,000000.Those people that you do hear of having a child in their late 40's are usually using a younger woman's donor eggs.Since this lady didn't have this option, I'm going to say no way.I won't say 60 is impossible, but it's almost impossible.Back then documents were not nearly as well kept, and I tend to suspect these people claiming to be so old actually took the identity of an older relative who died in their youth for some reason or other. I'd say she's 20-30 years younger than she claimed.
 
2012-10-10 09:31:25 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: capt.hollister: Being the world's oldest person is kind of like being Al-Qaida's second in command, then ?

You got beat by 12 minutes


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/and now to hide under a rock for a while...
 
2012-10-10 09:48:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: God-is-a-Taco: 132 is definitely a stretch.
Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?

God limited the lifespan of humans to 120 years. This woman is definitely lying.

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years."


Gen 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.(NIV) So maybe Noah was 'grandfathered' in?Nope, for after the Flood one of Noah's descendents lives to the 500 mark.

Gen 11:11 - And after his fathering Ar·pach′shad Shem continued to live five hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters

Rather, the '120 years' is the time that God decreed judgement on that generation through the time Noah preached the warning and built the Ark and then entered the Ark with his family.
 
2012-10-10 11:04:00 AM
FTA: If Mrs Khvichava really was 132 when she died it would mean that her now 72-year-old son Mikhail was born when his mother was 60.

Sounds legit.
 
2012-10-10 11:11:53 AM
Obviously a liar. Not even worth reporting.
 
2012-10-10 11:23:30 AM
Dr.Salvador: Abe Vigoda's not dead, Subby. What the hell are you talking about?

Abe Vigoda isn't even the oldest famous person that is surprisingly not dead yet, Eli Wallach is older.
 
2012-10-10 12:08:30 PM

Oldiron_79: Dr.Salvador: Abe Vigoda's not dead, Subby. What the hell are you talking about?

Abe Vigoda isn't even the oldest famous person that is surprisingly not dead yet, Eli Wallach is older.


Holy f*ck.

I thought Allan "Dr. Sidney Freedman" Arbus was the current king at 94. Wow.

/Hard to believe Col. Potter was only 3 years older than Sidney.
 
2012-10-10 03:02:33 PM
Kinda hard to have a reunion for that club.....
 
2012-10-10 03:17:16 PM
+1 subby, would laugh again
 
2012-10-10 06:57:04 PM
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2012-10-10 12:55:27 AM
God-is-a-Taco: 132 is definitely a stretch.
Isn't there that chromosome-shortening effect with repeated cell division that creates an inevitable wall of... well, death?

you're thinking of telomeres. Not directly relevant to aging, actually.
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It's very relevant. But 132 is not approaching that limit. It approaches aging limits in other ways. Neglecting the telomere problem, which might never be solvable, in the future, under perfect conditions under fantastic medicine... you could PROBABLY hit close to 150 according to scientists. That's pretty much the theoretical limit.
 
2012-10-11 12:42:28 AM
132 is really pushing believability as it is 10 years older than the oldest documented lifespan and even a year at that age is pretty damn significant. Giving birth at age 60 while it certainly happens, but is extraordinarily rare.

Being the oldest person by ten years AND giving birth at age sixty? The probability of either is way below the probability of her being a liar. The probability of both happening for the same person are so low as to be not even worthy or consideration. That she comes from an area of the world with a history of such hoaxes does not inspire confidence either.
 
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