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(Buzzfeed)   Romney attacks Obama on farm policy, citing report from the Tax Policy Center. Difficulty: As recently as last Sunday, Romney was claiming the TPC was "liberal" and "biased"   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 75
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2012-10-09 07:35:56 PM
So in subby's world it is impossible for a biased source to report something they agree with? What a cold and ignorant world subby lives in.
 
2012-10-09 07:38:28 PM

RolandGunner: So in subby's world it is impossible for a biased source to report something they agree with?


Not when Romney called TPC's study of his tax plan "a lie".
 
2012-10-09 07:48:53 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...


Let's not forget about pulling a complete 180 on the Ogden memo. That directly farked up a lot of peoples' lives for no good reason at all.
 
2012-10-09 07:51:35 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: The Great EZE: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...

Just wondering: how does one sit on the fence between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? I don't know a LOT about them but aren't they kinda...different?

There's like... basically no overlap between them except for a few points of social policy.


Don't they both agree on ending our perpetual state of war?
 
2012-10-09 07:52:11 PM

Burning_Monk: [s10.postimage.org image 300x356]


did you steal that from the Kerry meme?
 
2012-10-09 07:53:48 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Don't they both agree on ending our perpetual state of war?


Gary Johnson's a hard-right capitalist. That would last exactly until the first defense contract checks landed in his lap.
 
2012-10-09 07:54:47 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Burning_Monk: [s10.postimage.org image 300x356]

did you steal that from the Kerry meme?


The similarities between the two are startling.
 
2012-10-09 07:58:06 PM

BuckTurgidson: In a press release today, the Romney campaign cites an article that ran in The Hill prominently citing the non-partisan think tank the Tax Policy Center to hit President Obama on how his policies have effected farmers.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 340x423]


"for saying Romney's tax plan would increase have to increase taxes"

So much derp in this "article".
 
2012-10-09 08:06:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Burning_Monk: [s10.postimage.org image 300x356]

did you steal that from the Kerry meme?

The similarities between the two are startling.


I'M BRINGING IT BACK!
 
2012-10-09 08:13:10 PM
He's not just going full retard, he's going for Palin retard.
 
2012-10-09 08:23:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Burning_Monk: [s10.postimage.org image 300x356]

did you steal that from the Kerry meme?

The similarities between the two are startling.


Romney is everything Republicans said about Kerry, but worse in every respect. He's more flipfloppy, FAR more of a coward, far more out of touch, and far more robotic and soulless than Kerry could ever have hoped to be.
 
2012-10-09 08:51:28 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Don't they both agree on ending our perpetual state of war?

Gary Johnson's a hard-right capitalist. That would last exactly until the first defense contract checks landed in his lap.


Don't be silly. He's a third party candidate, which means unlike the Democrats and Republicans he never lies.
 
2012-10-09 09:16:40 PM

FlashHarry: nothing to see here. just last week, they said polls were skewed. now they're gospel. romney will say anything to get elected. anything.


The following that I marked in bold should be Obama's central task at next week's debate. Romney will say and do ANYTHING to become President; and we can't have a President who won't tell us what's really going on.

Double-edged sword I know, but I think Romney would recoil in horror faster than Obama would.
 
2012-10-09 09:18:45 PM
Save Big Farm!
 
2012-10-09 09:57:15 PM
The Tax Policy Center report held up by Obama and leftists was so much bullshiat, even the Tax Policy Center called itself out.

"Many of the center's assumptions were either tendentious or incorrect, as we argued in an earlier editorial, and as has been amply demonstrated by budget scholars at the American Enterprise Institute and elsewhere. The center later cut its $86 billion estimate by more than half. "

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/329133/obama-s-middle-class-ta x -hike-editors

TPC originally claimed that the Romney plan would raise taxes on the middle class by $86 billion. After a critique by AEI colleague Matt Jensen, who pointed out additional opportunities for base-broadening, TPC downgraded its estimate considerably. Specifically, Jensen pointed out that the exclusion of interest on state and local bonds and the exclusion of inside buildup on life-insurance products could yield more revenue. TPC then acknowledged that repeal of these provisions would raise approximately $45 billion from high-income taxpayers, reducing any need to tax the middle class by the same amount. The result: A purported $86 billion tax increase on the middle class shrinks to $41 billion.

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/october/the-romney-tax-plan-not- a -tax-hike-on-the-middle-class

Let's be honest. When even the group who put out the initial report admits it farked up, maybe you shouldn't be trotting out the initial report as "facts" and claiming the other side is lying.

While TPC refuses to back track on more of the errors, Obama stating 5 Trillion is a blatant lie even as he uses the TPC report because TPC itself backed away from these numbers. TPC has refused to re-adust it's figures with the new 17k-25k cap that Romney has suggested. So who is lying, the one using a discredited report (one that even TPC backed off) or the one saying what hard lines his proposal will follow, even if the details have to be worked out?

Multiple analysts have shown ways in which Romney can make his plan neutral. The fact is he doesn't have a specific plan because CONGRESS SETS THE farkING TAXATION POLICY. I love how liberals only remember this fact when trying to divert Obama's spending to the House (ignoring of course that no budget has been passed due to the Senate).

So how about you grow up, leave your cognitive bubble, and realize that you are simply repeating propaganda when you repeat the "Romney lies!! 5 trillion!!! Only this one singular report is valid, all others are not!!!" It makes you look silly.
 
2012-10-09 10:02:34 PM
MyRandomName:

You're forgetting GOP Marketing 101, never let facts get in the way of the narative.
 
2012-10-09 10:24:13 PM

MyRandomName: Multiple analysts have shown ways in which Romney can make his plan neutral.


Citation please.

MyRandomName: The fact is he doesn't have a specific plan because CONGRESS SETS THE farkING TAXATION POLICY.


So I should blindly trust that Romney/Ryan will find a way to balance the budget, cut taxes, and increase defense spending without it hurting my pocket book?
 
2012-10-09 10:57:38 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: The Great EZE: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...

Just wondering: how does one sit on the fence between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? I don't know a LOT about them but aren't they kinda...different?

There's like... basically no overlap between them except for a few points of social policy.


You'd think that, but actually no. I took the I Side With test and was 72% Stein, 70% Johnson, and 67% Obama. Thought that was interesting...
 
2012-10-09 11:23:11 PM

The Great EZE: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...

Just wondering: how does one sit on the fence between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? I don't know a LOT about them but aren't they kinda...different?


If the only issue you care about is "will they legalize pot?" the two are pretty similar. Some people are "single issue" voters, whether it's the abortion nuts, the pot smokers, the "OMG Taxes!" morans, or the people who want to blow up the middle east because it's full of brown people who call their god by a weird name, some people only care about one thing. If the only thing you care about is smoking pot, there's not much difference between Johnson and Stein.

(If you actually care about making the world a better place, there is a huge difference, but if your vote hinges on "who will let me get baked, watch TV and eat Doritos?" then Stein and Johnson are pretty much equal.)
 
2012-10-10 12:03:58 AM
 
2012-10-10 12:32:47 AM
Sadly enough, with crap like AI and DWTS dominating the airwaves and being the predominant forms of American 'culture' I think a Romney (something shiny and superficial) win is fairly likely.
 
2012-10-10 03:59:26 AM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: A Dark Evil Omen: The Great EZE: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...

Just wondering: how does one sit on the fence between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? I don't know a LOT about them but aren't they kinda...different?

There's like... basically no overlap between them except for a few points of social policy.

You'd think that, but actually no. I took the I Side With test and was 72% Stein, 70% Johnson, and 67% Obama. Thought that was interesting...


Neat test! aparently i'm super libby 96% Stein, 85% Obama, 71% Anderson, 17% Romney. (99% Dem., 96% Green 53% Lib, 7% Repub.)
 
2012-10-10 09:02:17 AM

Mrtraveler01: RolandGunner: So in subby's world it is impossible for a biased source to report something they agree with?

Not when Romney called TPC's study of his tax plan "a lie".




Oh, OK, I was unaware that you believe that a source can only lie about everything or nothing. Thanks for clarifying that.
 
2012-10-10 10:37:31 AM

Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: Multiple analysts have shown ways in which Romney can make his plan neutral.

Citation please.


Romney, Ryan, and Fox News have said it adds up.
 
2012-10-10 03:33:22 PM

FloydA: The Great EZE: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Picking Vilsack as Ag Secretary instead of Michal Pollan might be my least favorite thing Obama did in the past 4 years. Its either that or NDAA. Both pretty short sighted and revealing of a deeper lack of commitment to his stated values.

/might just vote Stein or Johnson because of it
//but only because I'm in California
///Mitt is so, so much worse...

Just wondering: how does one sit on the fence between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? I don't know a LOT about them but aren't they kinda...different?

If the only issue you care about is "will they legalize pot?" the two are pretty similar. Some people are "single issue" voters, whether it's the abortion nuts, the pot smokers, the "OMG Taxes!" morans, or the people who want to blow up the middle east because it's full of brown people who call their god by a weird name, some people only care about one thing. If the only thing you care about is smoking pot, there's not much difference between Johnson and Stein.

(If you actually care about making the world a better place, there is a huge difference, but if your vote hinges on "who will let me get baked, watch TV and eat Doritos?" then Stein and Johnson are pretty much equal.)


Totally disagree. There are quite a few things I disagree with for ALL candidates (at least 28%, apparently). But there are more similarities between modern greens and libertarians than most knee jerk republicrats realize. On foreign policy, they're almost identical. On the farm bill, they're very similar. The main place they disagree is tax policy and environmental regulation, but you'll see that Johnson is actually not a true died in the wool libertarian, but actually an Obama style pragmatic center right Republican with a few kooky tax ideas that'll never get through congress... 

As for legalizing pot, there is no valid argument against it. I'm actually extremely invested in its industrial use as the quickest turnaround, lowest energy cost feedstock for the resins, fiber, and protein it produces. I am currently developing a 3d printing fabrication lab that could be close-looped in the cradle to cradle sense were industrial hemp legal as the founding fathers intended...
 
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