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(Yahoo)   Security guy at Libyan consulate cabled State Department twice asking for security help, but got no response because no one knows what the hell a "cable" is any more. Well, not quite, but the real reason was just as dumb   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 37
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2012-10-09 06:06:19 PM
9 votes:
Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.
2012-10-09 06:08:00 PM
6 votes:
And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.
2012-10-09 07:14:07 PM
5 votes:
The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.
2012-10-09 09:28:09 PM
4 votes:
Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.
2012-10-09 07:28:45 PM
4 votes:

dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.


That's what the republicans do. It's the same thing with the economy. Create the problem then blame the President. Because people are stupid. And they are, which is why Romney still actually has a chance.
2012-10-09 06:29:35 PM
4 votes:

vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.


This.


GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration. 

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 06:01:26 PM
4 votes:

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.
2012-10-09 09:39:20 PM
3 votes:
No, I think this one falls into the lap of the State Department. While Republicans did slash the budget, the allocation of the remaining funds is strictly the duty of the State Department. I think a simple risk assessment (Rag-tag loosely aligned militias, not all of which are friendly to US causes, have overthrown a stable, albeit murderous, dictator and the replacement government isn't strong enough yet to effectively enforce its power over the still-armed militias. We ought to reenforce our embassy with agents that are currently in low-risk areas elsewhere temporarily.) would have probably altered the events in a way more favorable.

/Again, I'm assuming that the Republicans were wise with their cuts.
//And that the funds weren't earmarked.
2012-10-09 09:38:22 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.


Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.
Funding for security was and is available.
2012-10-09 09:27:12 PM
3 votes:
Yeah, it's possible more could have been done to prevent the attack that killed 4 Americans.
So, let's elect the Republicans and guarantee 20,000+ dead Americans in Iran, and ???+ dead Americans here at home due to terrorist retaliation.
2012-10-09 07:31:31 PM
3 votes:
All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.
2012-10-09 06:24:57 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


ftfa: "Getting the budget request cut is pretty standard for the State Department," added James Dobbins, a former career diplomat who was a special envoy to a series of global troubled spots under former President Bill Clinton and former President George W. Bush.
But he noted that the State Department has gotten "billions and billions over the years" to rebuild, move and fortify missions around the world"

yeah, sure blame the GOP.

The State Department is responsible.
2012-10-09 06:00:17 PM
3 votes:

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


that's the spirit!
Give up without trying. Awesome.
2012-10-09 09:48:25 PM
2 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.


And, in fact, there were 5 agents present during the attack.
2012-10-09 09:48:15 PM
2 votes:

PA_Mainy-Yak: GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.
Funding for security was and is available.


In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president's request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.
2012-10-09 07:26:22 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: It is amazing that the State Department can neglect security in a place like this.


Yeah---like you and the GOP would have been onboard in shifting security from Iraq to Libya before the riots. Could you be any more transparent? You would have been shrieking that Obama was trying to undermine the righteous legacy of Dubya. As if you could have even found Libya on a map before the "Arab Spring." Don't bother with the crocodile tears and fake hand-wringing.
2012-10-09 06:54:32 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: The Oversight and Government Reform committee has been investigating the handling of security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before the attack....[Rep.] Chaffetz said he suspects the devotion of so much effort and money to Iraq and Afghanistan has drained resources away from security for U.S. diplomatic efforts in other parts of the world. U.S. troops have withdrawn from Iraq but thousands of security contractors remain there, he said. "We have 15,000 (security contractors) in Iraq, and we have a hard time having more than two dozen in Libya," Chaffetz said. "It doesn't seem to balance itself out right."

Rep. Chaffetz (who is a Republican) makes an excellent point here. He's right that with so much military committment to Afghanistan and Iraq---the State Department has had to stretch its resources over the years. We're talking about a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi--remote eastern Libya. It would have been hard to make the case to reassigning security personnel from Iraq to Libya during the Iraq War. No one would have believed it necessary. Even afterwards--why would Benghazi attract enough attention to warrant more security agents? After all, the US helped destroy the Qaddafi forces threatening that area. With diplomatic resources tied up in formal war zone theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan, there isn't enough to go around elsewhere without State Department being criticized for taking active security out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
2012-10-09 06:09:22 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.


Citation or is this another one of your lies?
2012-10-09 05:54:35 PM
2 votes:
the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??
2012-10-10 12:40:23 AM
1 votes:
You people know damn well if the Bush Administration had pulled the idiocy that the Obama Administration did before and after the attacks the MSM would crucify him for it. It would have ended his reelection bid and rightly so. But since their guy is in office they go right along with the lies about the video being the cause and that it could never have been an act of terrorism.

There were outright lies and a cover up for two weeks after the attack and murder of 4 US citizens operating in an official US capacity and you guys on the Left want to make excuses for Obama and his team.
They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.
On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.
2012-10-09 11:25:37 PM
1 votes:
What blows my mind, is all the people saying "it's the GOP's fault" and "no, the Democrats did it!" How the hell can you not see that both side are a bunch of fark-tards?!?

you gotta vote for somebody, but geez, ya know they're all dipshiats, that's why they're politicains... Thay can't do any real jobs...
2012-10-09 11:06:24 PM
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is.


Michael Moore and Eric Alterman did. You will probably say, "Who?" but they were big names at the time.

/the left just tosses their spokespeople down the memory hole whenever it turns out they were wrong
//ten years from now people will probably say, "Obama who? He was probably a false flag Republican pretending to be a Democrat."
2012-10-09 11:03:38 PM
1 votes:
nopokerface:

From Hobodeluxe's linked article earlier in the thread:

In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president's request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.

The blood of the 4 Americans killed in Benghazi is on the hands of the austerity-focused Tea Party Republicans in the House of Representatives. Obama asked for more money, they said no. It's a damn good thing Obama didn't have to ask the House Tea Party Republicans for that second helicopter in the Bin Laden raid, huh?
2012-10-09 10:45:46 PM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: nopokerface:

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?


Seems like all of it. They voted to cut State Department funding, It's Obama and the Dems who have cut Defense Department funding, even as they expand our military commitments as quietly as they can.....but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.
2012-10-09 10:35:44 PM
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: nopokerface: Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.

Please stop ignoring the fact that the GOP severely cut funding for protection for foreign embassies.


Please stop believing the bullsh*t.
2012-10-09 10:26:31 PM
1 votes:
Obama was partying with JayZ while our embassy was under attack and couldn't be bothered.

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2012-10-09 10:24:16 PM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

Well that safe house would have still been safe if Romney hadn't leaked its location, which he learned from his September intelligence briefings, to his Blackwater team. I guess the lesson to learn here is don't give Mitt Romney sensitive intelligence or he will use it to help his mercenaries kill our ambassadors.


Please stop the senseless retaliatory conspiracy derp.

/Why do you defeat the purpose of rendering its posts in grey 1 by quoting it?
2012-10-09 10:23:50 PM
1 votes:
you know,i could give a rats axe who is to blame.what thier political affiliation is,and whether thier wearing boxers or briefs.
we should have at least 50 marines at EVERY embassy we have anywhere in the world including switzerland.
its rediculous that we dont protect our interests in a way that will make any local think twice before attacking one of our installations.and i dont care if it costs a lot. the placement of embassys in any country dictates that the embassy is our soverign soil and we have the need and the right to protect it by any means neccesary. when they attack our soverign soil they are attacking mainland USA and for that they deserve whatever punishment we can mete out. when they attack our embassys diplomacy has failed and we should do whatever we have to do to protect our people. if they complain,we should just tell em we told ya so and yawn loudly at thier complaints. perhaps fart in thier general direction,hopefully after eating a meal of pork. maybe fry up some bacon for treats for the protestors......

seriously though,an attack on one of our embassys should be met with an incredible assualt on the attackers,making them wonder if it was such a good idea in the first place. you cant reason with the unreasonable.
2012-10-09 10:04:36 PM
1 votes:

GranoblasticMan: Nemo's Brother: Be careful. The last time I called out Gat_00, he cried to a mod and I got banniated for a couple of days.

You should get another time out for biatching about it.

/ This is why I'll never be a mod


What are the posting rules?

Don't discuss bans in the threads.
 

I hope that doesn't get me banned...
2012-10-09 09:55:11 PM
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Be careful. The last time I called out Gat_00, he cried to a mod and I got banniated for a couple of days.


You should get another time out for biatching about it.

/ This is why I'll never be a mod
2012-10-09 09:45:14 PM
1 votes:
Oh wait, this is fark, you can't have a political conversation without making witty jabs at the opposing team.
2012-10-09 09:43:21 PM
1 votes:
Oh ho, Obama. Now the shoe is on the other foot!
2012-10-09 08:29:21 PM
1 votes:

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.
2012-10-09 07:25:29 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"


You just furiously masturbated when you heard about this attack, didn't you? It's okay, Romney did too so you're in good company.
2012-10-09 06:27:08 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


where is the "massive" cut? it says 10% - and that is 10% from their request which is usually higher than their current budget.
2012-10-09 06:00:59 PM
1 votes:
Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya earlier this year by listing 230 different security incidents in Libya which occurred between June 2011 and July 2012, according to another document.

230 alerts in a year will make anyone complacent.

Not picking a side just stating a fact.
2012-10-09 05:50:12 PM
1 votes:
They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"
 
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