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(Yahoo)   Security guy at Libyan consulate cabled State Department twice asking for security help, but got no response because no one knows what the hell a "cable" is any more. Well, not quite, but the real reason was just as dumb   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 197
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2012-10-09 10:04:36 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Nemo's Brother: Be careful. The last time I called out Gat_00, he cried to a mod and I got banniated for a couple of days.

You should get another time out for biatching about it.

/ This is why I'll never be a mod


What are the posting rules?

Don't discuss bans in the threads.
 

I hope that doesn't get me banned...
 
2012-10-09 10:04:40 PM  

Rug Doctor: Tell me, Republicans, should we just approve them all immediately without regard for the cost?


of course, as long as they rob the TANF block grant or EPA to get the money
 
2012-10-09 10:05:45 PM  

cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.


Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.
 
2012-10-09 10:06:16 PM  

fusillade762: I hope that doesn't get me banned...


It's a crapshoot, the rules are written on a cocktail napkin.
 
2012-10-09 10:06:51 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

that's the spirit!
Give up without trying. Awesome.


No. That was 9/11.
 
2012-10-09 10:09:42 PM  

Nadie_AZ: All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.


I agree. I am so sick of the GOP and Mitt-farking-Romney constantly lying his sorry ass off over every issue. Then I hear a massive outpouring of derp from the morons on the right about something stupid. They refuse to debate with reason, they refuse to listen to facts, they rely on the echo chamber.

I was ready for it to end months ago.
 
2012-10-09 10:11:50 PM  

bhcompy: cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.


I don't blame Bush for 9/11
 
2012-10-09 10:13:52 PM  

Fano: So, I guess we should build moats with alligators and razor wire and boiling oil around all consulate buildings?


Fried gator isn't kosher.

/Isn't it wonderful that the Republicans made the hard decision to cut the "waste" that is the State Department's embassy security program and nothing bad resulted?
 
2012-10-09 10:14:03 PM  

PA_Mainy-Yak: GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.
Funding for security was and is available.


It's okay that you don't have a clue as to how federal budgeting works, you're hardly the only one.
 
2012-10-09 10:17:18 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"


Well that safe house would have still been safe if Romney hadn't leaked its location, which he learned from his September intelligence briefings, to his Blackwater team. I guess the lesson to learn here is don't give Mitt Romney sensitive intelligence or he will use it to help his mercenaries kill our ambassadors.
 
2012-10-09 10:19:38 PM  

Somacandra:

Rep. Chaffetz (who is a Republican) makes an excellent point here. He's right that with so much military committment to Afghanistan and Iraq---the State Department has had to stretch its resources over the years. We're talking about a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi--remote eastern Libya. It would have been hard to make the case to reassigning security personnel from Iraq to Libya during the Iraq War. No one would have believed it necessary. Even afterwards--why would Benghazi attract enough attention to warrant more security agents? After all, the US helped destroy the Qaddafi forces threatening that area. With diplomatic resources tied up in formal war zone theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan, there isn't enough to go around elsewhere without State Department being criticized for taking active security out of Iraq and Afghanistan.


...except that Benghazi was specifically targeted because of the lack of security... which completely invalidates your point.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:50 PM  
you know,i could give a rats axe who is to blame.what thier political affiliation is,and whether thier wearing boxers or briefs.
we should have at least 50 marines at EVERY embassy we have anywhere in the world including switzerland.
its rediculous that we dont protect our interests in a way that will make any local think twice before attacking one of our installations.and i dont care if it costs a lot. the placement of embassys in any country dictates that the embassy is our soverign soil and we have the need and the right to protect it by any means neccesary. when they attack our soverign soil they are attacking mainland USA and for that they deserve whatever punishment we can mete out. when they attack our embassys diplomacy has failed and we should do whatever we have to do to protect our people. if they complain,we should just tell em we told ya so and yawn loudly at thier complaints. perhaps fart in thier general direction,hopefully after eating a meal of pork. maybe fry up some bacon for treats for the protestors......

seriously though,an attack on one of our embassys should be met with an incredible assualt on the attackers,making them wonder if it was such a good idea in the first place. you cant reason with the unreasonable.
 
2012-10-09 10:24:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

Well that safe house would have still been safe if Romney hadn't leaked its location, which he learned from his September intelligence briefings, to his Blackwater team. I guess the lesson to learn here is don't give Mitt Romney sensitive intelligence or he will use it to help his mercenaries kill our ambassadors.


Please stop the senseless retaliatory conspiracy derp.

/Why do you defeat the purpose of rendering its posts in grey 1 by quoting it?
 
2012-10-09 10:24:53 PM  
I worked extensively in north africa. our security is weak. has been for a decade. we knew benghazi was a security risk because there are al sides loyalists there who routinely attack foreign interests. the Italian consulate was attacked there a few years ago and we know about recurring problems, security should have been tighter.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:23 PM  

cman: bhcompy: cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11


I'm sorry then. I responded in general to the common claims made on Fark.
 
2012-10-09 10:26:30 PM  

cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.


i.ytimg.com
"Who is this?"
 
2012-10-09 10:26:31 PM  
Obama was partying with JayZ while our embassy was under attack and couldn't be bothered.

webpages.charter.net
 
2012-10-09 10:28:40 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.
 
2012-10-09 10:29:43 PM  

bhcompy: cman: bhcompy: cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11

I'm sorry then. I responded in general to the common claims made on Fark.


It's ok.
 
2012-10-09 10:30:40 PM  

fusillade762: vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.


GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration. 

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"


This is much worse than their usual, 'defund, deregulate, and tsk tsk when it falls' apart m.o. Here, they actually created the situation, probably hoping for exactly this result.
 
2012-10-09 10:31:13 PM  
Well, duh! The operator told the President, "Nordstrom's on the phone", and he told 'em "Probably Michelle buying more dresses. Transfer it to her office."
either that or Nordstrom was a simple man who hatched a non-conformist plan to save his ass...
 
2012-10-09 10:32:59 PM  

intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.


After 9/11, Bush the Lesser had a 90%+ approval rating.
 
2012-10-09 10:33:08 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Please stop the senseless retaliatory conspiracy derp.

/Why do you defeat the purpose of rendering its posts in grey 1 by quoting it?


I am sorry. I did not think about that. I will use the non-mobile interface so that it doesn't happen again, but I cannot promise that I won't post stuff as obviously true as what I posted.
 
2012-10-09 10:33:34 PM  

nopokerface: Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.


Please stop ignoring the fact that the GOP severely cut funding for protection for foreign embassies.
 
2012-10-09 10:34:04 PM  

LordJiro: intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.

After 9/11, Bush the Lesser had a 90%+ approval rating.


The American people were only just waking up from its cultural pollyannaism.

Can't get fooled again.
 
2012-10-09 10:34:29 PM  

intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.


9/11 was different. It was an attack on our soil on civilians. We never thought it would happen here. Sure, we expected it over there, but not over here. Because of how unexpected and big it was, everything before that didn't matter. All we cared about was revenge. 9/11 brought us together because of how much trauma it inflicted upon us. 4 people dying in a politically unstable country is not gonna be as traumatic.

9/11 was here, it was on our front lawn. The Libya attack was over there, we didn't see it ourselves, and that is why people can justify this as a partisan issue. I don't like it, but that is the reason why.
 
2012-10-09 10:35:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: nopokerface: Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.

Please stop ignoring the fact that the GOP severely cut funding for protection for foreign embassies.


Please stop believing the bullsh*t.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:28 PM  
you know,by now i would have thought that we as a nation would have gotten smarter then to play the blame game with serious problems we face. guess i was wrong,we do seem to be getting dumber by the minute,particularly in election years.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:53 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Can't get fooled again.



So they aren't being "fooled" by what, now? So it's okay "now" to blame a sitting administration when the well documented fact is REPUBLICANS cut security funding?
 
2012-10-09 10:37:41 PM  

Carousel Beast: Also FTFA:

The cuts to the embassy construction, security and maintenance budget was almost 10 percent of the entire appropriation for that account over those two years, said Scott Lilly, now a scholar at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

Misleading partisan bullshiat is bullshiat.



No, you're the one spreading misleading partisan bullshiat. Were there or were there not cuts to security by Republicans?
 
2012-10-09 10:39:50 PM  

nopokerface: Lando Lincoln: nopokerface: Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.

Please stop ignoring the fact that the GOP severely cut funding for protection for foreign embassies.

Please stop believing the bullsh*t.


I love how you guys keep saying it's bullshiat but haven't been able to prove that it's bullshiat.
 
2012-10-09 10:41:01 PM  

Mugato: dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

That's what the republicans do. It's the same thing with the economy. Create the problem then blame the President. Because people are stupid. And they are, which is why Romney still actually has a chance.


leftcall.com
 
2012-10-09 10:42:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I love how you guys keep saying it's bullshiat but haven't been able to prove that it's bullshiat.


I'm sure the Marines are going to be surprised that their funding was cut by Republicans who thought that the State Department was spending excessively. This is the biggest steaming pile in a while. But, who cares? You're in love.
 
2012-10-09 10:43:12 PM  
nopokerface:

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?
 
2012-10-09 10:45:46 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: nopokerface:

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?


Seems like all of it. They voted to cut State Department funding, It's Obama and the Dems who have cut Defense Department funding, even as they expand our military commitments as quietly as they can.....but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.
 
2012-10-09 10:46:14 PM  

nopokerface: But, who cares? You're in love.


...with the girl that I'm talking about,
I'm in love with the girl I can't live without.
I'm in love but I sure picked a bad time ...
To be in love, to be in love.

/wait...what were we talking about again
 
2012-10-09 10:46:38 PM  
Four more years! Four more years! Barry Obama & Mrs. Bill Clinton are doing a GREAT job with foreign policy. Oh, and BO's domestic policies ain't too shabby either! Unless you're one of the 24 million unemployed, underemployed, or have given up. Four more years!
 
2012-10-09 10:46:41 PM  

porterm: you know,by now i would have thought that we as a nation would have gotten smarter then to play the blame game with serious problems we face. guess i was wrong,we do seem to be getting dumber by the minute,particularly in election years.


excuse me, but
unless you KNOW what caused the problem, you can not solve it.

what caused this problem? part of the problem was caused by a massive reduction in funding by the GOP. PERIOD.

this is not the blame game, this is pointing out PART of the cause of the problem. Credit, including blame, must be determined. Unless the goal is not to solve the problem??
 
2012-10-09 10:46:44 PM  

porterm: you know,i could give a rats axe who is to blame.what thier political affiliation is,and whether thier wearing boxers or briefs.
we should have at least 50 marines at EVERY embassy we have anywhere in the world including switzerland.
its rediculous that we dont protect our interests in a way that will make any local think twice before attacking one of our installations.and i dont care if it costs a lot. the placement of embassys in any country dictates that the embassy is our soverign soil and we have the need and the right to protect it by any means neccesary. when they attack our soverign soil they are attacking mainland USA and for that they deserve whatever punishment we can mete out. when they attack our embassys diplomacy has failed and we should do whatever we have to do to protect our people. if they complain,we should just tell em we told ya so and yawn loudly at thier complaints. perhaps fart in thier general direction,hopefully after eating a meal of pork. maybe fry up some bacon for treats for the protestors......

seriously though,an attack on one of our embassys should be met with an incredible assualt on the attackers,making them wonder if it was such a good idea in the first place. you cant reason with the unreasonable.


That's all well and good, but it wasn't an embassy that was attacked.
 
2012-10-09 10:47:15 PM  

logicalman: Four more years! Four more years! Barry Obama & Mrs. Bill Clinton are doing a GREAT job with foreign policy. Oh, and BO's domestic policies ain't too shabby either! Unless you're one of the 24 million unemployed, underemployed, or have given up. Four more years!


I see we're already getting the B-list trolls for the night.
 
2012-10-09 10:49:01 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: That's all well and good, but it wasn't an embassy that was attacked.


Hair splitting, so unexpected.
 
2012-10-09 10:49:50 PM  

nopokerface: but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.


What's keeping you here then?
 
2012-10-09 10:50:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: nopokerface: but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.

What's keeping you here then?


There's lots of funny sh*t on here, I usually manage to avoid this crap. But, I've been drinking....
 
2012-10-09 11:03:38 PM  
nopokerface:

From Hobodeluxe's linked article earlier in the thread:

In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president's request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.

The blood of the 4 Americans killed in Benghazi is on the hands of the austerity-focused Tea Party Republicans in the House of Representatives. Obama asked for more money, they said no. It's a damn good thing Obama didn't have to ask the House Tea Party Republicans for that second helicopter in the Bin Laden raid, huh?
 
2012-10-09 11:05:16 PM  
I think your mother was the one doing the drinking.

You didn't come here for any reason but to talk sh*t and be a douche. I'm toasting to the sight of you passed out in the ditch, you underpants soiled. That would be the equivalent of what you did in this thread.

Have a great night, kiddo.
 
2012-10-09 11:06:24 PM  

intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is.


Michael Moore and Eric Alterman did. You will probably say, "Who?" but they were big names at the time.

/the left just tosses their spokespeople down the memory hole whenever it turns out they were wrong
//ten years from now people will probably say, "Obama who? He was probably a false flag Republican pretending to be a Democrat."
 
2012-10-09 11:08:24 PM  
Am I the only one who thinks that a single extra security guard probably wouldn't have stopped the RPG that killed the diplomat?
 
2012-10-09 11:09:46 PM  
img831.imageshack.us

Oh hai, Wuts goin on in dis thread?
 
2012-10-09 11:14:01 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Derp


As convinced as I am sure we all are by your two examples of D-list liberal celebrities/journalists, do you have any examples of Democratic Presidential nominees who danced on the graves of dead Americans like Mitt Romney did while the attacks were still happening?
 
2012-10-09 11:16:12 PM  

nopokerface: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: nopokerface:

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?

Seems like all of it. They voted to cut State Department funding, It's Obama and the Dems who have cut Defense Department funding, even as they expand our military commitments as quietly as they can.....but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.


By law, members of the state must be protected by state department assets. Its a division of power thing... the Defense Department has nothing to do with it.

Unrelated: Like most asshole government types, everyone will rage about military lay offs from budget cuts... when in reality the labor is a minor cost compared to things like maintenance on 14 aircraft carrier fleets. Its just like when the local school board gets their budget cut, they immediately take the funding out of the bus system rather than administrative costs. Its just to piss off everyone so that next time they get the budget they want.
 
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