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(Yahoo)   Security guy at Libyan consulate cabled State Department twice asking for security help, but got no response because no one knows what the hell a "cable" is any more. Well, not quite, but the real reason was just as dumb   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 197
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2012-10-09 05:50:12 PM  
They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"
 
2012-10-09 05:54:35 PM  
the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??
 
2012-10-09 06:00:17 PM  

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


that's the spirit!
Give up without trying. Awesome.
 
2012-10-09 06:00:59 PM  
Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya earlier this year by listing 230 different security incidents in Libya which occurred between June 2011 and July 2012, according to another document.

230 alerts in a year will make anyone complacent.

Not picking a side just stating a fact.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 06:01:26 PM  

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.
 
2012-10-09 06:06:19 PM  
Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.
 
2012-10-09 06:08:00 PM  
And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.
 
2012-10-09 06:09:22 PM  

GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.


Citation or is this another one of your lies?
 
2012-10-09 06:09:49 PM  
One cable, three shells.
 
2012-10-09 06:24:57 PM  

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


ftfa: "Getting the budget request cut is pretty standard for the State Department," added James Dobbins, a former career diplomat who was a special envoy to a series of global troubled spots under former President Bill Clinton and former President George W. Bush.
But he noted that the State Department has gotten "billions and billions over the years" to rebuild, move and fortify missions around the world"

yeah, sure blame the GOP.

The State Department is responsible.
 
2012-10-09 06:27:08 PM  

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


where is the "massive" cut? it says 10% - and that is 10% from their request which is usually higher than their current budget.
 
2012-10-09 06:29:35 PM  

vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.


This.


GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration. 

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"
 
2012-10-09 06:42:32 PM  

fusillade762: This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"


Yeah, but that's a political memo. It's harder for Republicans to ignore one of their papers doing the same thing, and doing so before it became a political thing.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 06:42:57 PM  

fusillade762:

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

 

Well, they are in a position to ensure that it's a self fulfilling prophesy. So, as long as there are Republicans in government, it's sort of true.
 
2012-10-09 06:43:36 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

where is the "massive" cut? it says 10% - and that is 10% from their request which is usually higher than their current budget.


Apparently, 10% is the difference between three agents and five agents.
 
2012-10-09 06:49:04 PM  

vpb: fusillade762:

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!" 

Well, they are in a position to ensure that it's a self fulfilling prophesy. So, as long as there are Republicans in government, it's sort of true.


See also Medicare Part-D.
 
2012-10-09 06:51:36 PM  

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.


Well, then the solution is obvious. We must hire more Republicans.
 
2012-10-09 06:54:32 PM  
FTFA: The Oversight and Government Reform committee has been investigating the handling of security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before the attack....[Rep.] Chaffetz said he suspects the devotion of so much effort and money to Iraq and Afghanistan has drained resources away from security for U.S. diplomatic efforts in other parts of the world. U.S. troops have withdrawn from Iraq but thousands of security contractors remain there, he said. "We have 15,000 (security contractors) in Iraq, and we have a hard time having more than two dozen in Libya," Chaffetz said. "It doesn't seem to balance itself out right."

Rep. Chaffetz (who is a Republican) makes an excellent point here. He's right that with so much military committment to Afghanistan and Iraq---the State Department has had to stretch its resources over the years. We're talking about a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi--remote eastern Libya. It would have been hard to make the case to reassigning security personnel from Iraq to Libya during the Iraq War. No one would have believed it necessary. Even afterwards--why would Benghazi attract enough attention to warrant more security agents? After all, the US helped destroy the Qaddafi forces threatening that area. With diplomatic resources tied up in formal war zone theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan, there isn't enough to go around elsewhere without State Department being criticized for taking active security out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2012-10-09 06:58:50 PM  

pudding7: tenpoundsofcheese: GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

where is the "massive" cut? it says 10% - and that is 10% from their request which is usually higher than their current budget.

Apparently, 10% is the difference between three agents and five agents.


10% over 2 years, so no. Nor was budget concerns cited - it was rationalized that they had a safe place to go.

It is amazing that the State Department can neglect security in a place like this.
 
2012-10-09 07:14:07 PM  
The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.
 
2012-10-09 07:25:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.
That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"


You just furiously masturbated when you heard about this attack, didn't you? It's okay, Romney did too so you're in good company.
 
2012-10-09 07:26:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is amazing that the State Department can neglect security in a place like this.


Yeah---like you and the GOP would have been onboard in shifting security from Iraq to Libya before the riots. Could you be any more transparent? You would have been shrieking that Obama was trying to undermine the righteous legacy of Dubya. As if you could have even found Libya on a map before the "Arab Spring." Don't bother with the crocodile tears and fake hand-wringing.
 
2012-10-09 07:28:45 PM  

dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.


That's what the republicans do. It's the same thing with the economy. Create the problem then blame the President. Because people are stupid. And they are, which is why Romney still actually has a chance.
 
2012-10-09 07:31:31 PM  
All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.
 
2012-10-09 07:31:43 PM  

Somacandra: Could you be any more transparent?


Give the guy a break. This is his moneymaker alt, the one that takes normal levels of derp and turns them up to 35. His actual sincere alts only come out when Israel is in the subject line.

dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.


That right there shuts down every grain of derp that he's trying to foam into your rhetoric.

But really what he's doing (and I suspect getting paid to do) is derail any kind of conversation that will actually have substance or meaning anywhere the discussion will make his employers look bad. And let's be fair - if that's what he's getting paid to do, he's very good at his job.
 
2012-10-09 07:42:16 PM  

unlikely: His actual sincere alts only come out when Israel is in the subject line.


Are you referring to a certain infamous Israeli commentator? Because they don't seem to be around anymore and I don't miss them.
 
2012-10-09 08:01:31 PM  

GAT_00: unlikely: His actual sincere alts only come out when Israel is in the subject line.

Are you referring to a certain infamous Israeli commentator? Because they don't seem to be around anymore and I don't miss them.


You've got mail.
 
2012-10-09 08:14:40 PM  
1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.
2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.
3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.
 
2012-10-09 08:29:21 PM  

namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??


Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.
 
2012-10-09 08:32:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.


One person made a tragic error.

Therefore all government is incompetent.
 
2012-10-09 09:27:12 PM  
Yeah, it's possible more could have been done to prevent the attack that killed 4 Americans.
So, let's elect the Republicans and guarantee 20,000+ dead Americans in Iran, and ???+ dead Americans here at home due to terrorist retaliation.
 
2012-10-09 09:28:09 PM  
Please stop submitting things that reflect badly on Obama. It upsets 99.9% of the children here.
 
2012-10-09 09:28:12 PM  
They knew it was coming. And it played out exactly as they had expected. The countdown to Shock and Awshiat for Iran has started. Before November, we will have played a part in the fall of the Ayatollahs. I hate politicians.
 
2012-10-09 09:28:20 PM  

fusillade762: vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.


GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration. 

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"


Also FTFA:

The cuts to the embassy construction, security and maintenance budget was almost 10 percent of the entire appropriation for that account over those two years, said Scott Lilly, now a scholar at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

Misleading partisan bullshiat is bullshiat.
 
2012-10-09 09:36:13 PM  
1) Cable is the G string from the piano at Rick's that the assassin took to garrote you with.
2) Iran has nukes, just hasn't deployed them.
3) Prophet?
 
2012-10-09 09:37:08 PM  

unlikely: GAT_00: unlikely: His actual sincere alts only come out when Israel is in the subject line.

Are you referring to a certain infamous Israeli commentator? Because they don't seem to be around anymore and I don't miss them.

You've got mail.


I could use a fwd, jewalt gossip always makes me giggle.
 
2012-10-09 09:37:49 PM  
Is this terrible and unfortunate? Yes. But people are acting like a government office asking for more resources is unheard of. I don't have numbers, but I'm betting that there are thousands of similar requests pending right now.

Tell me, Republicans, should we just approve them all immediately without regard for the cost?
 
2012-10-09 09:38:22 PM  

GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.


Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.
Funding for security was and is available.
 
2012-10-09 09:39:20 PM  
No, I think this one falls into the lap of the State Department. While Republicans did slash the budget, the allocation of the remaining funds is strictly the duty of the State Department. I think a simple risk assessment (Rag-tag loosely aligned militias, not all of which are friendly to US causes, have overthrown a stable, albeit murderous, dictator and the replacement government isn't strong enough yet to effectively enforce its power over the still-armed militias. We ought to reenforce our embassy with agents that are currently in low-risk areas elsewhere temporarily.) would have probably altered the events in a way more favorable.

/Again, I'm assuming that the Republicans were wise with their cuts.
//And that the funds weren't earmarked.
 
2012-10-09 09:40:18 PM  

dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.


Since Thursday will be the Presidential debate on foreign policy, if Romney dare used the dead Americans from the Embassy attack to make a political point, I hope Obama brings up this very fact that it was the GOP Congressmen who voted to reduce funding.
 
2012-10-09 09:40:52 PM  
So, I guess we should build moats with alligators and razor wire and boiling oil around all consulate buildings?
 
2012-10-09 09:41:06 PM  
This is the guy who never visited Bengazi during his entire posting to Libya, right?
 
2012-10-09 09:43:21 PM  
Oh ho, Obama. Now the shoe is on the other foot!
 
2012-10-09 09:44:53 PM  

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2012-10-09 09:45:14 PM  
Oh wait, this is fark, you can't have a political conversation without making witty jabs at the opposing team.
 
2012-10-09 09:46:03 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Oh ho, Obama. Now the shoe is on the other foot!


Seriously. Who posts a shoe?
 
2012-10-09 09:48:15 PM  

PA_Mainy-Yak: GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.
Funding for security was and is available.


In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president's request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.
 
2012-10-09 09:48:25 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.


And, in fact, there were 5 agents present during the attack.
 
2012-10-09 09:53:08 PM  
Be careful. The last time I called out Gat_00, he cried to a mod and I got banniated for a couple of days.
 
2012-10-09 09:55:11 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Be careful. The last time I called out Gat_00, he cried to a mod and I got banniated for a couple of days.


You should get another time out for biatching about it.

/ This is why I'll never be a mod
 
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