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(FilmDrunk)   X-Men producers pushing for an Avengers team-up film because they're not allergic to cash money   (filmdrunk.uproxx.com) divider line 104
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2012-10-09 05:43:26 PM  
Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.
 
2012-10-09 06:06:07 PM  
Probably because Fox was willing to give up Daredevil while they know they can still make money with the X-men franchise.
 
2012-10-09 06:12:02 PM  

Nefarious: Probably because Fox was willing to give up Daredevil while they know they can still make money with the X-men franchise.


Well, I have to admit that First Class exceeded expectations.
 
2012-10-09 06:16:44 PM  
But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.
 
2012-10-09 06:23:31 PM  

Walker: But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.


I'm guessing they're going for a reboot.
 
2012-10-09 06:57:56 PM  

Mugato: Walker: But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.

I'm guessing they're going for a reboot.


Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.
 
2012-10-09 07:20:20 PM  

simplicimus: Mugato: Walker: But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.

I'm guessing they're going for a reboot.

Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.


It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.
 
2012-10-09 07:32:59 PM  

Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Walker: But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.

I'm guessing they're going for a reboot.

Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.


Well, we can quibble. The dragonfly fireball spitting mutant was called Angel. I don't remember if Banshee was ever an X-Man. Same for Havok.
 
2012-10-09 07:36:18 PM  

simplicimus: Well, we can quibble. The dragonfly fireball spitting mutant was called Angel. I don't remember if Banshee was ever an X-Man. Same for Havok.


Very well. They'll have to get older actors to play Professor X and Magneto though, won't they?
 
2012-10-09 07:43:19 PM  

Mugato: simplicimus: Well, we can quibble. The dragonfly fireball spitting mutant was called Angel. I don't remember if Banshee was ever an X-Man. Same for Havok.

Very well. They'll have to get older actors to play Professor X and Magneto though, won't they?


Well, how about a proper reboot: Prof X, Angel, Beast, Cyclops and Jean Grey?
 
2012-10-09 07:52:26 PM  
Aren't the properties owned by different people at this point?

Wouldn't that be the same legal ground as doing a Spider-Man/Superman film?
 
2012-10-09 08:29:15 PM  
I want to see Logan open Iron Man like a can of sardines
 
2012-10-09 08:32:27 PM  

simplicimus: ell, we can quibble. The dragonfly fireball spitting mutant was called Angel. I don't remember if Banshee was ever an X-Man. Same for Havok.


Dunno about Havok, but Banshee was an X-man in the first couple years after Claremont took over.
 
2012-10-09 08:36:05 PM  
How about no. Not everything needs to be a crossover. Sure they are both Marvel creations, but they are pretty much seperate worlds with conflicting themes and ideas. I doubt you even have time to cover everyone in a single movie. They had a hard enough time doing it with the Avengers in a three hour movie.
 
2012-10-09 08:41:33 PM  

Mugato: simplicimus:
Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.


The date of Xavier's paralysis changes significantly.

There were a few other things that become nonsensical but that's the one that sticks in my mind. "HEY HE CAN'T BE PARALYIZED YET !!!"
 
2012-10-09 08:42:11 PM  

simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.


And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.
 
2012-10-09 08:43:57 PM  

Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Walker: But the best X-Men are either dead or missing their powers: Jean Gray, Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X.

I'm guessing they're going for a reboot.

Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.

It messes with the timeline pretty bad from the other x-movies, to the point it has to be a parallel universe. White Queen is a teen in Wolverine (which takes place in the early 80's) and an adult in First Class (which takes place in the early 60's). Plus, havoc being scott summers younger brother means cyclops would be ~60 in the first X-men film, though he's just a kid in Wolverine (according to the internets, movie havoc isn't scotts brother, so what have you).

/Easier to just say Wolverine was never made.
 
2012-10-09 08:44:37 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mugato: simplicimus:
Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.

The date of Xavier's paralysis changes significantly.

There were a few other things that become nonsensical but that's the one that sticks in my mind. "HEY HE CAN'T BE PARALYIZED YET !!!"


Pretty sure he was paralyzed by his half-brother, Juggernaut, in the old comics.
 
2012-10-09 08:48:09 PM  

Fano: simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.

And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.


No, but someone could make a really good Punisher movie, and he's less lame than Daredevil. Slightly.
 
2012-10-09 08:48:59 PM  
There is too much of a good thing. I think Whedon has the Avengers universe right where he wants it, lots of story/character stuff to explore. Just adding more super heros and having to maintain all the character development that made the Avengers great would be a chore and one that probably wouldn't add anything and perhaps even dilute things. Lots of good stuff to explore in Avengers, don't just add super powers cause you can.
 
2012-10-09 08:49:22 PM  

simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.


He's one of the best superheroes they have. I thought the script for the DD movie was really weak and the characters were treated as a joke (the see-saw scene where Matt Murdock the blind lawyer reveals he has some sort of super powers was stupid). The only good part was Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. I bet Chris Nolan would do a really great adaptation.
 
2012-10-09 08:50:49 PM  

mandoskippy: There is too much of a good thing. I think Whedon has the Avengers universe right where he wants it, lots of story/character stuff to explore. Just adding more super heros and having to maintain all the character development that made the Avengers great would be a chore and one that probably wouldn't add anything and perhaps even dilute things. Lots of good stuff to explore in Avengers, don't just add super powers cause you can.


And if it turns into Hulk vs Thing story, it would suck as badly as the comics story.
 
2012-10-09 08:50:52 PM  

simplicimus: Fano: simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.

And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.

No, but someone could make a really good Punisher movie, and he's less lame than Daredevil. Slightly.


Read Frank Miller's Born Again, you'll change your opinion.
 
2012-10-09 08:50:56 PM  

unlikely: Aren't the properties owned by different people at this point?

Wouldn't that be the same legal ground as doing a Spider-Man/Superman film?


The properties are owned by Marvel but the film rights are licensed to Fox. They can always either renegotiate the license deal or they could potentially co-produce a film, which is actually not uncommon for big-budget blockbusters, like Titanic which was produced by both Paramount and Fox.
 
2012-10-09 08:53:36 PM  

drewogatory: simplicimus: ell, we can quibble. The dragonfly fireball spitting mutant was called Angel. I don't remember if Banshee was ever an X-Man. Same for Havok.

Dunno about Havok, but Banshee was an X-man in the first couple years after Claremont took over.


In the comics, Havok is the brother of Cyclops and he was an X-Man at one point.

I'm not crazy about the idea of a team up movie.
Put too many supers in a movie and it just ends up being a clusterfark of action scenes stuffed into a poor story.

It happened with The Last Stand. And that movie almost killed the X-Men franchise.
 
2012-10-09 08:54:13 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mugato: simplicimus:
Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.

The date of Xavier's paralysis changes significantly.


Fair enough, like I said, I'm not really a comic book guy. But I know a little about movies and just as they had to speed things up at the expense of the story to get Kirk into the captain's chair by the end of the last Star Trek, they had to do the same to get Professor X in the wheelchair. So he stupidly got shot.
 
2012-10-09 08:58:54 PM  

simplicimus: Mister Peejay: Mugato: simplicimus:
Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.

The date of Xavier's paralysis changes significantly.

There were a few other things that become nonsensical but that's the one that sticks in my mind. "HEY HE CAN'T BE PARALYZED YET !!!"

Pretty sure he was paralyzed by his half-brother, Juggernaut, in the old comics.


I grew up reading Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. This has me more than willing to accept that different media will have different canon. The comics are the comics, the films are the films.

I've never read even one of the comics. This probably makes it easier.


I just don't get why they did it. It didn't make much sense to have him randomly get shot at the end of the movie. It could very well have happened at a later date. Just because your story has timeline points to use doesn't mean you have to use them all at once.
 
2012-10-09 08:59:24 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mugato: simplicimus:
Pretty sure First Class was the reboot.

It was more of a prequel than a rebooot. I don't think it contradicted anything in the previous films but I could be wrong.

The date of Xavier's paralysis changes significantly.

There were a few other things that become nonsensical but that's the one that sticks in my mind. "HEY HE CAN'T BE PARALYIZED YET !!!"


I think Xavier's been cured of his paralysis a few times over the years. Then "tragedy" strikes and he ends up in the chair again.

Shouldn't come as any surprise. Pretty much nothing is permanent in comics.
 
2012-10-09 09:01:47 PM  

simplicimus: Fano: simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.

And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.

No, but someone could make a really good Punisher movie, and he's less lame than Daredevil. Slightly.


I don't think a really good Punisher movie will be made. If only because his power is "prepared guy with lots of guns." And that means that Hollywood writers can shove the comic book writers out of the room and say "we've got this covered. We've only done this a million times over." I thought the Thomas Jane movie captured a lot of the look and feel.
 
2012-10-09 09:03:37 PM  
PhDemented: (according to the internets, movie havoc isn't scotts brother, so what have you)..

What happens when Daddy comes home?
 
2012-10-09 09:06:28 PM  

Fano: simplicimus: Fano: simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.

And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.

No, but someone could make a really good Punisher movie, and he's less lame than Daredevil. Slightly.

I don't think a really good Punisher movie will be made. If only because his power is "prepared guy with lots of guns." And that means that Hollywood writers can shove the comic book writers out of the room and say "we've got this covered. We've only done this a million times over." I thought the Thomas Jane movie captured a lot of the look and feel.


Good point. They may as well remake Death Wish, with more guns.
 
2012-10-09 09:11:06 PM  
Shut up and take my money.
 
2012-10-09 09:11:22 PM  

unlikely: Aren't the properties owned by different people at this point?

Wouldn't that be the same legal ground as doing a Spider-Man/Superman film?


images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-09 09:26:24 PM  

simplicimus: Fano: simplicimus: Fano: simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.

And yet, under good writers, he has done really well. Powers don't define quality of storytelling.

No, but someone could make a really good Punisher movie, and he's less lame than Daredevil. Slightly.

I don't think a really good Punisher movie will be made. If only because his power is "prepared guy with lots of guns." And that means that Hollywood writers can shove the comic book writers out of the room and say "we've got this covered. We've only done this a million times over." I thought the Thomas Jane movie captured a lot of the look and feel.

Good point. They may as well remake Death Wish, with more guns.


Further proof of my theory is the failure of Jonah Hex. Oh, he's a comic book character, and a cowboy? We got that.
 
2012-10-09 09:38:58 PM  

Fano:
Further proof of my theory is the failure of Jonah Hex. Oh, he's a comic book character, and a cowboy? We got that


Watched the movie, never read the comics. Still don't understand the nature of his powers. Even Ghostrider was more coherent.
 
2012-10-09 09:54:38 PM  
Back when I was reading the XMen in the mid to late 80s, Havok was definitely in and out as an XMan (and was Cyclops' "long lost" brother). I pretty much got out of it when they did the whole Inferno crossover, when they brought Phoenix back the first time, and Cyclops was dating/married/engaged to a demon-clone of Jean Grey.

The one bit that I remember from that era, which I'm sure that I'm remembering completely wrong is that the first time Prof X managed to walk without a wheelchair, it was revealed that he had no physical issues in regard to being handicapped, but that it was a mental block of his doing. Which I thought was an interesting quirk for the most reknown telepath in the world to have; he could make anyone do his bidding, but couldn't make his own legs move.

Of course, again, I'm probably remembering that totally wrong, and it as some crazy Shiar technology or something in there, too.
 
2012-10-09 10:53:59 PM  
At least it's not credit money.
 
2012-10-09 11:02:46 PM  

simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.


Brings us one step closer to a reboot with Gina Carano as Elektra.
 
2012-10-09 11:41:40 PM  
Why would they want to ruin The Avengers like that? Talk about a one-way benefit.
 
2012-10-09 11:44:04 PM  
Daredevil reverted back to Marvel because they didn't get another DD movie going in time. They tried, but it fell apart. I doubt Marvel paid anything in the process. Same deal for Terminator. If they don't crank out sequels on a regular basis, James Cameron get the rights back, which he doesn't want. Too busy with Avatar 2, 3, 4, etc.
 
2012-10-09 11:51:38 PM  

simplicimus: Marvel wasted money to buy back "Daredevil"? Why? He's one of lamest superheros in their catalogue.


you didn't see that trailer with the disco soundtrack? http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Watch-What-Joe-Carnahan-Daredevil-Would -Have-Looked-Like-32482.html
 
bow [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 11:58:33 PM  
How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.
 
2012-10-10 12:23:35 AM  

bow: How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.


Which set of X-Men?
 
2012-10-10 12:33:42 AM  

simplicimus: bow: How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.

Which set of X-Men?


Know how I know you don't read comics?

www.nuestroscomics.com
 
2012-10-10 12:37:55 AM  

Brainsick: simplicimus: bow: How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.

Which set of X-Men?

Know how I know you don't read comics?

[www.nuestroscomics.com image 480x622]


Ok, Who's in the line-ups? No, I don't read comics (anymore).
 
2012-10-10 12:37:59 AM  

Brainsick: simplicimus: bow: How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.

Which set of X-Men?

Know how I know you don't read comics?

[www.nuestroscomics.com image 480x622]


Holy hell was that a clusterfark of a crossover.
 
2012-10-10 12:42:28 AM  

texdent: Brainsick: simplicimus: bow: How about the X-Men vs. the Avengers? The X-Men would dominate.

Which set of X-Men?

Know how I know you don't read comics?

[www.nuestroscomics.com image 480x622]

Holy hell was that a clusterfark of a crossover.


Indeed. The aftermath is looking grim as well:

media.comicbookmovie.com


/Amazing Spider-Men was better than it should have been, but that was a 5-issue mini
 
2012-10-10 12:47:09 AM  
Marvel should just tell Fox to fark right off. It's not their fault that Fox has absolutely zero idea how to pull off a decent comics adaptation.
 
2012-10-10 12:53:30 AM  

simplicimus: Fano:
Further proof of my theory is the failure of Jonah Hex. Oh, he's a comic book character, and a cowboy? We got that

Watched the movie, never read the comics. Still don't understand the nature of his powers. Even Ghostrider was more coherent.


2.bp.blogspot.com


GIS "adios, spaceman" and you can find him murdering Superman.

He has no powers, and is just a deformed cowboy getting revenge on people. Good stuff on paper.... common stuff on film.
 
2012-10-10 01:33:51 AM  

Fano: simplicimus: Fano:
Further proof of my theory is the failure of Jonah Hex. Oh, he's a comic book character, and a cowboy? We got that

Watched the movie, never read the comics. Still don't understand the nature of his powers. Even Ghostrider was more coherent.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x336]


GIS "adios, spaceman" and you can find him murdering Superman.

He has no powers, and is just a deformed cowboy getting revenge on people. Good stuff on paper.... common stuff on film.


That's why I loved the Jonah Hex comics; no powers, just an asshole cowboy in the old west. The more DC ignored him and let the writers be the better.

/hell, even Dini grasped that concept when he used him
 
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