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(Some Guy)   All right, that pineapple labeled "Mohammed" is not allowed at your English university. How about my rutabaga named Mo?   (popehat.com) divider line 63
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2012-10-09 07:08:18 PM  
I'm gonna get me a dog and name her Mohammed. Or better yet, a pig.


There are words I understand in there; I'm just not sure what they mean when when you run them together like that. I'm frankly not sure they mean anything.

They don't. It's just bullshiat CYA pablum.
 
2012-10-09 08:11:01 PM  
Anti-blasphemy laws have no place in a society that values freedom of speech.
 
2012-10-09 08:11:39 PM  
That's one thing I've never fully understood; given how sensitive some Muslims are about the name Mohammed, why is giving that as a name so acceptable/wide spread? And if you do something really scummy in an Islamic nation and that's your name, do you get extra punishment?
 
2012-10-09 08:17:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's one thing I've never fully understood; given how sensitive some Muslims are about the name Mohammed, why is giving that as a name so acceptable/wide spread? And if you do something really scummy in an Islamic nation and that's your name, do you get extra punishment?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy

Blasphemy is not mentioned in the Koran.
 
2012-10-09 08:19:29 PM  
England has libtards too. Who knew?
 
2012-10-09 08:21:31 PM  
Mohammed is the most popular baby name in the UK?
I had no idea there were so many Ali fans there!
 
2012-10-09 08:26:09 PM  

Silly Jesus: England has libtards too. Who knew?


Yeah, these anti-blasphemy laws are a strange confluence of PC "libtards" as you say and hard right fundamentalists exploiting their support to censor the "profane".

The speech worth protecting most is the speech that makes you the most upset.
 
2012-10-09 08:27:06 PM  
'All I said was, "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"'

/Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed...
 
2012-10-09 08:27:59 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's one thing I've never fully understood; given how sensitive some Muslims are about the name Mohammed, why is giving that as a name so acceptable/wide spread?


(1) It's cultural, not religious. Some sects don't care at all, some think that any image of any animal is rude at minimum (note that the art from the caliphate era is all mathematical patterns and the occasional plant).

(2) It's not the use of the name, but the presentation of something as being an image representing the prophet, which is considered offensive. Sort of like how Christians get all antsy if you represent Jesus with a golden calf and direct your prayers at it.

//University's still being dumb to defend the tradition since they're supposed to be secular, but there's nothing wrong with the tradition itself, necessarily.
 
2012-10-09 08:29:29 PM  
And yet when I go to their countries and point out the things that offend ME, nothing happens.
 
2012-10-09 08:30:03 PM  
Different cultures have different notions of what is offensive enough to be banned.

In the US it is considered offensive for men to walk the streets naked.

If you ask people why some will give religious explanations involving how Adam became ashamed of his nakedness in Eden.

200 years from now people may look back and laugh at such a silly taboo stemming from religious superstition and bigotry.
 
2012-10-09 08:34:22 PM  

mutterfark: 'All I said was, "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"'

/Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed...


rnbpull.99streets.netdna-cdn.com

You rang?
 
2012-10-09 08:34:45 PM  

HairBolus: Different cultures have different notions of what is offensive enough to be banned.

In the US it is considered offensive for men to walk the streets naked.

If you ask people why some will give religious explanations involving how Adam became ashamed of his nakedness in Eden.

200 years from now people may look back and laugh at such a silly taboo stemming from religious superstition and bigotry.


But in the mean time I won't burn the German Embassy if I see a guy walking around naked.
 
2012-10-09 08:36:39 PM  

HairBolus: Different cultures have different notions of what is offensive enough to be banned.

In the US it is considered offensive for men to walk the streets naked.

If you ask people why some will give religious explanations involving how Adam became ashamed of his nakedness in Eden.

200 years from now people may look back and laugh at such a silly taboo stemming from religious superstition and bigotry.


Bigotry? Really? An etiological, explanatory, or otherwise directive tale about people covering their nakedness is bigotry?
 
2012-10-09 08:38:42 PM  

meat0918: Anti-blasphemy laws have no place in a society that values freedom of speech.


And the sure as hell shouldn't be used as a smoke screen for a terrorist attack.
 
2012-10-09 08:51:28 PM  
Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.
 
2012-10-09 08:53:46 PM  
Damn it.
Can't you muslins let us finish the War on Christianity before you start your attempts to destroy modern civilization from within? 
You walked into this one, UK, and you too France.
 
2012-10-09 08:55:34 PM  

theteacher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy

Blasphemy is not mentioned in the Koran



You might want to read your own link and understand that the Koran is often spelled with a "Q".


HairBolus: Different cultures have different notions of what is offensive enough to be banned.


If the influence of Muslims in the UK leads to the banning of pineapples named "Mohommad" then I would say it is a loss for their culture.
 
2012-10-09 08:58:00 PM  

Dafatone: Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.


Naming a pineapple "Mohommad" in an attempt to prompt a conversation about blasphemy and the limits of free speech at a University in the UK isn't "poking" anyone.

However saying you can't do that because of radical Muslims is a limit on free speech that comes from bowing down to said radicals.
 
2012-10-09 08:59:55 PM  

Dafatone: Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.


Yeah, I'll play along with that.

...because freedom.
 
2012-10-09 09:08:11 PM  

liam76: Dafatone: Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.

Naming a pineapple "Mohommad" in an attempt to prompt a conversation about blasphemy and the limits of free speech at a University in the UK isn't "poking" anyone.

However saying you can't do that because of radical Muslims is a limit on free speech that comes from bowing down to said radicals.


Yeah, I'm not gonna say no naming pineapples Mohammed or anything.
 
2012-10-09 09:08:48 PM  
So one student group brought a pineapple named after the prophet Mohammed to an event, and then got yelled at so much by a second student group that they eventually left and took the fruit home?

Yeah, you should be able to say whatever you want. That doesn't mean that no one can call you an idiot.
 
2012-10-09 09:14:34 PM  

Dafatone: liam76: Dafatone: Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.

Naming a pineapple "Mohommad" in an attempt to prompt a conversation about blasphemy and the limits of free speech at a University in the UK isn't "poking" anyone.

However saying you can't do that because of radical Muslims is a limit on free speech that comes from bowing down to said radicals.

Yeah, I'm not gonna say no naming pineapples Mohammed or anything.


But that is what they did here.


Karac: So one student group brought a pineapple named after the prophet Mohammed to an event, and then got yelled at so much by a second student group that they eventually left and took the fruit home?

Yeah, you should be able to say whatever you want. That doesn't mean that no one can call you an idiot.


No. They got yelled at by a muslim group and the university staff that run the building (which violates content neutral speech codes), and then were kicked out by the staff.
 
2012-10-09 09:17:20 PM  
on the one hand, you should be able to call fruits "mohammad" if you want to.

on the other hand, don't you guys have anything better to do?
 
2012-10-09 09:20:20 PM  
DEATH TO ALL RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS!1111
 
2012-10-09 09:20:40 PM  

proteus_b: on the one hand, you should be able to call fruits "mohammad" if you want to.

on the other hand, don't you guys have anything better to do?


Like posting about it on Fark?
 
2012-10-09 09:26:08 PM  
Heh, I followed the link to the "Student Rights" webpage.

Link

Link

Yeah, atheists are definitely the bullies of the world.
I said it earlier, but I'll say it again: UK and France, you're farked.
 
2012-10-09 09:55:13 PM  

Superjew: And yet when I go to their countries and point out the things that offend ME, nothing happens.


Have you tried blowing up one of their buses?
 
2012-10-09 10:37:20 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-09 10:40:09 PM  
Trolls, sockpuppets and alts.

All I is trolls, sockpuppets and alts.
 
2012-10-09 10:49:05 PM  
"an environment in which all students feel welcome "

Why does this not apply to the students who bring pineapples into the environment?
 
2012-10-09 10:52:03 PM  
If I buy a pineapple for $1, name it Mohammed, and sell it for $2, have I made a profit?
 
2012-10-09 11:26:45 PM  
Forget the rutabega, follow the gourd!
 
2012-10-09 11:48:16 PM  

proteus_b: on the one hand, you should be able to call fruits "mohammad" if you want to.

on the other hand, don't you guys have anything better to do?


It's kind of a paradox.

I don't have any desire to burn an American flag until you tell me I legally can't because it offends you.

It's about pushing back against insidious attempts at restricting free speech by groups that fail to understand the paramount importance of allowing unpopular opinions to be heard.
 
2012-10-10 03:29:34 AM  
I'm all in favour of poking Islamic idiots in the eye, but there are places where you can't get away with it. If you are operating under the umbrella of a university group, your actions are implicitly sanctioned by the university. Now you are not just expressing yourself, you are presuming to speak for the larger group. You are ragging unwilling people into your protest. That's not on.

Stand on a streetcorner with your mohammed pineapple and I will defend your right to do so. Try to drag your school into the fight and I will tell you you're infringing on others' rights.
 
2012-10-10 04:56:01 AM  
Given it's a swede, shouldn't it be named Stefan or Lars or Ikea or something like that?
 
2012-10-10 05:43:58 AM  
Dafatone:
Oh look, it's another thread where I'll say that gee, maybe you shouldn't poke radical Muslims with a stick just because you can, and someone will tell me that we have to because freedom.

In this case it's almost certainly overly-PC non-Muslims who got upset, though probably because they were trying to avoid a protest at their school. But at this point I think that if we apparently aren't allowed to non-violently protest against the demonstrable evils of capitalism without being kettled and beaten up, I don't know why these Muslim protesters should be able to protest against their idiotic pet peeve without similar treatment. 

ps: this post is named Mohammed too
 
2012-10-10 06:17:17 AM  

proteus_b: on the one hand, you should be able to call fruits "mohammad" if you want to.

on the other hand, don't you guys have anything better to do?


We put the "ham" in Mohammed
 
2012-10-10 07:49:14 AM  
Did the pineapple have sleeves?
 
2012-10-10 08:00:10 AM  
Does free speech give me a right to call your mom a fat slut every time I see her?
Probably.

Should I do it just to prove that I have free speech?
No, it is incredibly rude and offensive.
 
2012-10-10 08:26:34 AM  
While the stifling of free speech in the name of allowing religious stupidity to run rampant is always wrong, that fact detracts in no way from the additional fact that the blog article in question was exactly the sort of rambling and stupid diatribe I might expect of somebody who intentionally created a problem for himself and then was utterly shocked and amazed to discover that it caused him inconvenience.

So I'll say, Mr. Blog Writer, that you are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

Also, addressing rhetorical questions at somebody via an internet posting they'll never see is lame and hackneyed.
 
2012-10-10 08:26:50 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's one thing I've never fully understood; given how sensitive some Muslims are about the name Mohammed, why is giving that as a name so acceptable/wide spread? And if you do something really scummy in an Islamic nation and that's your name, do you get extra punishment?


It's very easy to understand, once you realize that Islam is essentially bullying carried to it's logical nadir. Muslims can do whatever the hell they want to anyone who isn't a Muslim, and can even do whatever they want to other Muslims, as long as Allah doesn't punish them for it, including through servants of Allah, like angry vengeful family members of anyone you harmed. If you rape a girl and the family of the girl is unable or unwilling to punish you for it, then Allah has favored your actions and it's the girl's fault for bringing shame upon her family, for example.

They can draw whatever pictures they want of Mohammed, but if YOU do it, they will kill you. They can wipe their butts with pages of the Koran and flush those pages down the toilet, but if YOU so much as threaten to burn a Koran, they will kill you. They can breed and raise as many dogs as they want, but if YOU so much as bring a dog into their presence, they will kill you.

/the sad thing is, it actually makes their culture stronger and more stable than multiculturalism makes ours
//violence WORKS, and no laws or technologies can make it stop working
 
2012-10-10 09:01:18 AM  

Tatterdemalian: It's very easy to understand, once you realize that Islam religion is essentially bullying carried to it's logical nadir.


/ftfy

/unless I'm confused and "Do what I tell you or else I'll make you suffer forever" isn't a threat any more
 
2012-10-10 09:05:48 AM  

fusillade762: I'm gonna get me a dog and name her Levy, and I'm gonna kick her every time it rains. Mohammed. Or better yet, a pig.


There are words I understand in there; I'm just not sure what they mean when when you run them together like that. I'm frankly not sure they mean anything.

They don't. It's just bullshiat CYA pablum.


ashy2classy.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-10 09:26:44 AM  

Without Fail: Does free speech give me a right to call your mom a fat slut every time I see her?
Probably.

Should I do it just to prove that I have free speech?
No, it is incredibly rude and offensive.


If your mom and her friends decided to burn down a bunch of buildings and kill a bunch of innocent people because she was told that somebody in a foreign country called her a fat slut six months ago, then a "fat slut" is the most mild of the words I would have to describe her.
 
2012-10-10 09:52:24 AM  

EyeballKid: Tatterdemalian: It's very easy to understand, once you realize that Islam religion is essentially bullying carried to it's logical nadir.

/ftfy

/unless I'm confused and "Do what I tell you or else I'll make you suffer forever" isn't a threat any more


Yes, you are confused. Threats from invisible sky wizards don't carry the same weight as threats from very real organizations that have murdered thousands of people in the middle of New York City in the past and continue to successfuly murder US diplomats even after the death of their leaders.
 
2012-10-10 10:01:39 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Threats from invisible sky wizards don't carry the same weight as threats from very real organizations that have murdered thousands of people in the middle of New York City in the past and continue to successfuly murder US diplomats even after the death of their leaders.


Quick quiz. Name one instance in which an indigenous group peacefully converted to a religion not native to their own. Can't think of one? Why do you think that is?
 
2012-10-10 10:32:41 AM  

EyeballKid: Quick quiz. Name one instance in which an indigenous group peacefully converted to a religion not native to their own. Can't think of one? Why do you think that is?


You posted a complete non-sequitur. I win.
 
2012-10-10 10:34:46 AM  

EyeballKid: Tatterdemalian: Threats from invisible sky wizards don't carry the same weight as threats from very real organizations that have murdered thousands of people in the middle of New York City in the past and continue to successfuly murder US diplomats even after the death of their leaders.

Quick quiz. Name one instance in which an indigenous group peacefully converted to a religion not native to their own. Can't think of one? Why do you think that is?


Ireland.

Why do you htink it matters. Someone being forced to convert hundred + years ago isn't really going to stifle your free speech or actiosn today.
 
2012-10-10 10:38:13 AM  

Tatterdemalian: EyeballKid: Quick quiz. Name one instance in which an indigenous group peacefully converted to a religion not native to their own. Can't think of one? Why do you think that is?

You posted a complete non-sequitur. I win.


Really?! I apologize for not being able to be there in person to hold your hand, and guide you along the line where the dot marked 1 connects to the dot marked 2. There's not a religion that hasn't used violence, bullying, threats, and far worse behavior in order to "spread the gospel," beit by a priest, a reverend, or a mullah. Your assumption that it's just Islam is shortsighted and bigoted.

I'm sorry, are you a troll and/or Pam Gellar?
 
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