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(Some Guy)   Any news story about New York kindergartens is guaranteed to be pure comedy gold. The New NYC Gifted Program test emphasizes "abstract spatial thinking and largely eliminates language"   (isteve.blogspot.com) divider line 31
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2012-10-09 03:35:18 PM
5 votes:

RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.


Well, it must seem that way to the slow ones.
2012-10-09 06:18:00 PM
2 votes:

LograyX: FTA: As everybody seems to know lately, African-Americans aren't very good with language (the Word Gap), but they're aces with "abstract spatial thinking."
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What?
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What?
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What? 

/Three off the top of my head...



I can't imagine why children raised in a CULTURE where the spoken words used bear little semblance to their written counterparts would have language difficulties in an educational setting.

Can't imagine.

/If you'd like some examples, feel free to axe
2012-10-09 05:50:11 PM
2 votes:

Techhell: FTH: The New NYC Gifted Program test emphasizes "abstract spatial thinking"

Stereotypically, this is where boys that age excel...

FTH: "and largely eliminates language"

Stereotypically, this is where boys that age are weakest...

Hrm. Is the author sure this is actually aimed at African American kids and not a subtle way to exclude women? Maybe I'm more of a feminist than I expected, but reading the headline I expected to find the article to be about boys and girls, not African American kids and other kids.


Don't worry your pretty little head over it.
2012-10-09 05:28:30 PM
2 votes:

Vectron: WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.

That is the only solution. Dumb down tests ntil everybody passes and the administration can meet its diversity goals by picking students from racial groups at random. We are already there.


We should do the same thing with pro sports. Clearly the there are significant flaws with the tryouts and recruiting system.
2012-10-09 05:10:02 PM
2 votes:
This reminds me of the time I did my Calc final using interpretive dance and the projection of positive vibes. Of course, that was mostly the acid talking, but still.

Memories.
2012-10-09 05:09:21 PM
2 votes:
xynix: It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored

I left TAG due to boredom.
2012-10-09 04:27:05 PM
2 votes:

xynix: I'm SOOOO happy my son goes to a private school. I never have to worry about anything public school ever again.. it's liberating. 47 kids in his 6th grade.. 12 kids per class.. compared to the MS up the road where there are 40 kids per class. fark all that nonsense. Best investment I've ever made and it may be financially painful but damn it's worth it.


careful up there, don't want to fall off your high horse.
2012-10-09 04:22:55 PM
2 votes:
Fecal painting is the true expression of the soul.
2012-10-09 04:22:41 PM
2 votes:

Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.


It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored by the dumbed down content created for the lowest common denominator (90 IQ). My son was in it for the 5 years I kept him in public school. They take one day of the week and learn more advanced concepts. It is actually useful because they teach the same things that a child would learn in a private school but its free. By 6th grade however the TAG program get thinned out dramatically based on several criteria and by 8th grade it's thinned out even more. To put it in perspective 1-5th grade about 15% get into TAG and by 8th grade it's close to 3%.

Or you can just send your kid to a private school where they'll learn everything taught in TAG and more.. Mine goes to a college prep school where they teach college prep from 6th to 12th grade. The school has had a 100% college attendance rate since they started graduating kids in 2007 with a 98% "first pick" rate. If you want your kid to be successful then public school is a crap shoot.. you might want to have 3 or 4 kids so one can be successful. If you want your child to have success then pluck them out of public schools after 5th grade and buckle down for the expense of private which is $10,000 to $20,000 a year depending on the school. It is a pure cash outlay.. can't deduct it, get no credits for it, etc etc.
2012-10-09 10:32:38 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like a Racial Diversity Program (No Whitey Program)...not a "gifted" program....why else would you eliminate "language". What...not fair to Illegal Aliens?

Instead of attacking white folks because minority families lack the desire to properly provide basic education for their children.....how about making minority folks "responsible" for their kids basic upbringing and education? Why is it "racist" to expect the same standards from minority families that you do white families.
2012-10-09 08:17:14 PM
1 votes:
It's not like most kindergarteners have anything to say that is worth listening to.
2012-10-09 06:37:12 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Half of you are below average.


Thats bullshiat, and I have a participation trophy to prove it.
2012-10-09 05:52:23 PM
1 votes:

Random Discord: ProfessorOhki: the NNAT, will count for two-thirds of a student's score, said city officials, who signed a three-year, $5.5 million contract with the testing company

The Otis-Lennon School Ability Test, or OLSAT, which increasing numbers of children had prepared for intensely, will drop to a third of the total from 75%.

Why don't we just have a hundred different tests!?


Come to California, we do. STAR, CELDT, CST, CMA, CAPA, STS, EAP, CAHSEE, PFT, OLSAT, MARS, ACT, SAT, AP, DRA.


You forgot the CTBS. Actually, is that still a thing? It's been a while. I'm more and more convinced that the education industry is bought and paid for by Big #2 Pencil.
2012-10-09 05:43:56 PM
1 votes:

xynix: keytronic: It's funny, I got my public school education in Canada (rural Canada at that) and I find that there in the US, the caliber of my education reaches the level of most of my privately educated peers. I don't see how I have any choice but to find a way to get my kid into private, prep school, which sucks because I'm not sure if I'll be making enough income to easily afford a 15k tuition bill. One thing is for sure, I will not throw my son to the wolves and let him fester in the steaming pile of shiat that is the American public school system.

Exactly! My son was born in Ireland and I never envisioned that I would stay there and didn't.. we moved back when he was 5. The education system there though is top notch and they're learning at a college level in 10th grade. Much like a private school does here... What sucks is that I have to spend so much money to give him an education that others in much poorer countries get for free.

It was a no brainer for me.. I had nightmares about sending my kid to a public school after 5th grade. The schools are literally geared for the stupidest person attending.. the next level down is "special ed." There is no compensation for children who have anything bordering on a higher level of intelligence. In fact looking through these comments I see a lot of "bored bored bored" and that's because you're all smarter than Joe Ditch Digger which is what our education system was intended to be used for. They want to educate those with a relative IQ of 90.




It doesn't have to be this way. The US school system only went to crap here when its first priority became racial equality.
2012-10-09 05:38:30 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.

Well, it must seem that way to the slow ones.

Witty. Are you going to regale us with tales of how much smarter you are than me as well?


I'm sure he would but I think the assumption is that you're probably not smart enough to understand.
2012-10-09 05:25:05 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.


fromoureyes.com

I'll be in my gifted program.
2012-10-09 05:18:00 PM
1 votes:
From TFA comments:

"I have a dream, that one day my children will ace the Three Point Shootaround portion of the SAT."

"It won't be long before they add singing and dancing."

Prophetic?
2012-10-09 05:02:34 PM
1 votes:

xynix: Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.

It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored by the dumbed down content created for the lowest common denominator (90 IQ). My son was in it for the 5 years I kept him in public school. They take one day of the week and learn more advanced concepts. It is actually useful because they teach the same things that a child would learn in a private school but its free. By 6th grade however the TAG program get thinned out dramatically based on several criteria and by 8th grade it's thinned out even more. To put it in perspective 1-5th grade about 15% get into TAG and by 8th grade it's close to 3%.

Or you can just send your kid to a private school where they'll learn everything taught in TAG and more.. Mine goes to a college prep school where they teach college prep from 6th to 12th grade. The school has had a 100% college attendance rate since they started graduating kids in 2007 with a 98% "first pick" rate. If you want your kid to be successful then public school is a crap shoot.. you might want to have 3 or 4 kids so one can be successful. If you want your child to have success then pluck them out of public schools after 5th grade and buckle down for the expense of private which is $10,000 to $20,000 a year depending on the school. It is a pure cash outlay.. can't deduct it, get no credits for it, etc etc.


Very much this. I was in the Gifted program at my school (joined in Kindergarten, was actually still in Gifted classes through high school). In elementary school, the gifted classes were one day a week. In 5th grade, we did things like build cars to compete in Odyssey of the Mind (in my year, only one of the cars could be from a kit and they all had to have different sources of power and transfer a balloon from one to the other over an obstacle course, 5 cars total). Middle school and high school, the gifted classes were basically one level above the advanced classes and were individual to subject matter (most kids did not do the 4 major subjects of science/math/english/social studies all in the gifted program), but also required that teachers and school officials approved that the student was qualified to be in that class. Those who were denied (or themselves decided not to do it), were generally put into the advanced classes anyways.

My brother (who due to undiagnosed hearing issues related to allergies was never very strong in languages) should have been put in the program himself, boredom meant that he struggled through school.
2012-10-09 05:02:05 PM
1 votes:
I think the only "Gifted" program at my school was allowing students to test into 0 hour Algebra I at the local high school in eighth grade. Glad I made that decision to do it, but 7:05 class seemed like a really bad idea during the year. Best part about it was "independent study" when the rest of the class did normal math. I taught myself Python from the official tutorial and changed the course of my life.
2012-10-09 05:00:53 PM
1 votes:
What's wrong with spatula thinking?
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2012-10-09 05:00:13 PM
1 votes:
I have a gifted kindergartner who is very advanced in language and relatively terrible at abstract spatial thinking. AND he's white. I don't live in NYC, but clearly he wouldn't get in to their program.

But since I'M also white (see the connection?), I'll just put him in private school. He'll be happier there with the other white kids, anyway.

Maybe he'll make the basketball team.
2012-10-09 04:58:37 PM
1 votes:

atomicmask: So basically NY is trying to make it to where black kids can pass the "Gifted" test instead of only acing the "special" test. It is good that we muddle down excellence in exchange for "equality"

When everyone is special, and no one is a dumb shiat, we all win!

Except for society, who generally loses, because the dumb shiats are not capable of producing like the "special" kids and end up being dumb shiats anyway despite being handed everything in school.


Only took 34 posts to get the truth.
2012-10-09 04:54:35 PM
1 votes:
Don't forget to synergize your paradigm.
2012-10-09 04:49:46 PM
1 votes:
So basically NY is trying to make it to where black kids can pass the "Gifted" test instead of only acing the "special" test. It is good that we muddle down excellence in exchange for "equality"

When everyone is special, and no one is a dumb shiat, we all win!

Except for society, who generally loses, because the dumb shiats are not capable of producing like the "special" kids and end up being dumb shiats anyway despite being handed everything in school.
2012-10-09 04:49:41 PM
1 votes:

MoronLessOff: I was in a "gifted" program when I was much younger. Even then, I thought "gifted" meant "special". And "special" meant "retarded".


When I was in Kindergarten I had an aide with me for a long time. I recently asked my mom about this and she said they thought due to me being gray and deprived of oxygen at birth that I might be brain damaged. That's a hell of a thing to find out as an adult.

/Slightly hilarious honestly.
2012-10-09 04:47:04 PM
1 votes:
Cognitive ability is not evenly distributed in the human population. And it can be measured. That is all.
2012-10-09 04:38:12 PM
1 votes:
www.thecityreview.com

Has big issues with spatial thinking, not so much with language
2012-10-09 04:36:38 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: When we talk about removing language, are we talking about helping kids regardless of their native language or about teaching bright kids to do Newton's Calculus, but they can't string a coherent sentence together?


Can't judge. All languages are equal and it's bigoted to expect people to adapt to the decrepit American culture by learning how to use English... and that goes for anyone who comes to this country.
2012-10-09 04:36:08 PM
1 votes:
the NNAT, will count for two-thirds of a student's score, said city officials, who signed a three-year, $5.5 million contract with the testing company

The Otis-Lennon School Ability Test, or OLSAT, which increasing numbers of children had prepared for intensely, will drop to a third of the total from 75%.


Why don't we just have a hundred different tests!? Each worth 1% of their score! Each with a $5m contract! Woooooo, education.
2012-10-09 02:58:24 PM
1 votes:
I'm SOOOO happy my son goes to a private school. I never have to worry about anything public school ever again.. it's liberating. 47 kids in his 6th grade.. 12 kids per class.. compared to the MS up the road where there are 40 kids per class. fark all that nonsense. Best investment I've ever made and it may be financially painful but damn it's worth it.
2012-10-09 02:42:21 PM
1 votes:
In other words, the skills that make Peyton Manning so great.
 
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