RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.
LograyX: FTA: As everybody seems to know lately, African-Americans aren't very good with language (the Word Gap), but they're aces with "abstract spatial thinking."[www.biography.com image 402x402]What?[cltampa.com image 500x407]What?[upload.wikimedia.org image 175x244]What? /Three off the top of my head...
Techhell: FTH: The New NYC Gifted Program test emphasizes "abstract spatial thinking"Stereotypically, this is where boys that age excel...FTH: "and largely eliminates language"Stereotypically, this is where boys that age are weakest...Hrm. Is the author sure this is actually aimed at African American kids and not a subtle way to exclude women? Maybe I'm more of a feminist than I expected, but reading the headline I expected to find the article to be about boys and girls, not African American kids and other kids.
Vectron: WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.That is the only solution. Dumb down tests ntil everybody passes and the administration can meet its diversity goals by picking students from racial groups at random. We are already there.
xynix: I'm SOOOO happy my son goes to a private school. I never have to worry about anything public school ever again.. it's liberating. 47 kids in his 6th grade.. 12 kids per class.. compared to the MS up the road where there are 40 kids per class. fark all that nonsense. Best investment I've ever made and it may be financially painful but damn it's worth it.
Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.
HotIgneous Intruder: Half of you are below average.
Random Discord: ProfessorOhki: the NNAT, will count for two-thirds of a student's score, said city officials, who signed a three-year, $5.5 million contract with the testing companyThe Otis-Lennon School Ability Test, or OLSAT, which increasing numbers of children had prepared for intensely, will drop to a third of the total from 75%.Why don't we just have a hundred different tests!?Come to California, we do. STAR, CELDT, CST, CMA, CAPA, STS, EAP, CAHSEE, PFT, OLSAT, MARS, ACT, SAT, AP, DRA.
xynix: keytronic: It's funny, I got my public school education in Canada (rural Canada at that) and I find that there in the US, the caliber of my education reaches the level of most of my privately educated peers. I don't see how I have any choice but to find a way to get my kid into private, prep school, which sucks because I'm not sure if I'll be making enough income to easily afford a 15k tuition bill. One thing is for sure, I will not throw my son to the wolves and let him fester in the steaming pile of shiat that is the American public school system.Exactly! My son was born in Ireland and I never envisioned that I would stay there and didn't.. we moved back when he was 5. The education system there though is top notch and they're learning at a college level in 10th grade. Much like a private school does here... What sucks is that I have to spend so much money to give him an education that others in much poorer countries get for free.It was a no brainer for me.. I had nightmares about sending my kid to a public school after 5th grade. The schools are literally geared for the stupidest person attending.. the next level down is "special ed." There is no compensation for children who have anything bordering on a higher level of intelligence. In fact looking through these comments I see a lot of "bored bored bored" and that's because you're all smarter than Joe Ditch Digger which is what our education system was intended to be used for. They want to educate those with a relative IQ of 90.
RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.Well, it must seem that way to the slow ones.Witty. Are you going to regale us with tales of how much smarter you are than me as well?
xynix: Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored by the dumbed down content created for the lowest common denominator (90 IQ). My son was in it for the 5 years I kept him in public school. They take one day of the week and learn more advanced concepts. It is actually useful because they teach the same things that a child would learn in a private school but its free. By 6th grade however the TAG program get thinned out dramatically based on several criteria and by 8th grade it's thinned out even more. To put it in perspective 1-5th grade about 15% get into TAG and by 8th grade it's close to 3%.Or you can just send your kid to a private school where they'll learn everything taught in TAG and more.. Mine goes to a college prep school where they teach college prep from 6th to 12th grade. The school has had a 100% college attendance rate since they started graduating kids in 2007 with a 98% "first pick" rate. If you want your kid to be successful then public school is a crap shoot.. you might want to have 3 or 4 kids so one can be successful. If you want your child to have success then pluck them out of public schools after 5th grade and buckle down for the expense of private which is $10,000 to $20,000 a year depending on the school. It is a pure cash outlay.. can't deduct it, get no credits for it, etc etc.
atomicmask: So basically NY is trying to make it to where black kids can pass the "Gifted" test instead of only acing the "special" test. It is good that we muddle down excellence in exchange for "equality"When everyone is special, and no one is a dumb shiat, we all win!Except for society, who generally loses, because the dumb shiats are not capable of producing like the "special" kids and end up being dumb shiats anyway despite being handed everything in school.
MoronLessOff: I was in a "gifted" program when I was much younger. Even then, I thought "gifted" meant "special". And "special" meant "retarded".
cgraves67: When we talk about removing language, are we talking about helping kids regardless of their native language or about teaching bright kids to do Newton's Calculus, but they can't string a coherent sentence together?
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