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2012-10-09 05:05:44 PM  
At my school the "gifted" program was basically conprised of students whose parents pushed for them to get into the program. Most students were never even tested for it. Of the students in the program I've stayed in touch with since graduation, one is a cop, one is a 30 year old undergrad, and one got really into drugs and is basically a degenerate.
 
2012-10-09 05:06:30 PM  
I was gifted/special in kindergarten. I was the only kid that had tape on his shoe to remind me what my right foot was.
 
2012-10-09 05:06:54 PM  

atomicmask: So basically NY is trying to make it to where black kids can pass the "Gifted" test instead of only acing the "special" test. It is good that we muddle down excellence in exchange for "equality"

When everyone is special, and no one is a dumb shiat, we all win!

Except for society, who generally loses, because the dumb shiats are not capable of producing like the "special" kids and end up being dumb shiats anyway despite being handed everything in school.


Well how else do you expect some people to get into Harvard?

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2012-10-09 05:07:59 PM  

BoxOfBees: From TFA:

African-Americans don't speak English, so how can they compete with people from China on a test in English?

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Ahh, an opportunity to break out the Airplane! quotes:

First Jive Dude: shiat, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!
First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...
Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.
First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same ol' same ol'!
Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!
First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? shiat.


/ I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
 
2012-10-09 05:08:06 PM  
You can totally demolish the "gifted" program advantage by having a half-way educated adult actually speak to the child in non-baby talk while involving them in activities throughout the day and spending 30 minutes a night reading books to the child. And turn off the damn TV.

/not trendy, I know
 
2012-10-09 05:08:10 PM  

Arkanaut: Or you can try to get them into one of many specialized high schools around the city, all of which are just as likely to get them into a decent college as a private school, at a much lower cost.

Your kid's school teaches college prep for 6 years? I'm imagining 6 years of SAT practice exams -- tell me it's not like that.


Three year waiting lists.. Still ran by the government. Charter schools aren't much better but they -are- better than public schools.

The school simply teaches stuff that's higher ranked than public schools.. So by 11th grade you're learning college material and by 12th you're doing junior level college academics. Not to mention the slew of sports.. you name it and they have it as well as a huge athletic campus. Teachers that call you and chat about how your child is doing in so and so class every couple weeks. Constant updates on positives or negatives and they know the student because they only have 46 total spread through 6 classes. Heads of the school who know your name and know your family and know what you want your child to get out of the school and care about the results.

In addition to this they have life coaches that go active in 9th grade through 12th so kids really understand the college experience and go there not to party but to work. Tons of arts and culture lessons including a 2 month "minimester" trip to Italy in the junior year, a one month trip to Kenya in the 12th grade to help out undernourished kids, etc etc etc.. The school doesn't just teach numbers and words it teaches life and it's an extension of what I teach my son and have taught him since he was born.

In addition to THAT the kids that go to this school all have the same discipline and mentality on education. I know the kids he's hanging out with because I know their parents and I know their objectives are the same as mine.. They are not paying $20k a year so their kid can screw around. They have skin in the game and as an extension their kids do to. Which is why they have a 100% college attendance rate.

I mean if you're going to go through the trouble of raising a kid you might as well put as much into their future success as possible.
 
2012-10-09 05:09:21 PM  
xynix: It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored

I left TAG due to boredom.
 
2012-10-09 05:09:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: At my school the "gifted" program was basically conprised of students whose parents pushed for them to get into the program. Most students were never even tested for it.


Depends where you are, but this is often unfortunately true. There is such a low priority for gifted, schools often only proceed with testing when parents press for this, and of course only parents involved in the school enough would know there are such programs and how to force identification. Where I am, if a parent requests testing after screening, the school has 180 days to comply, otherwise this could be delayed indefinitely. I do not allow my recommendations to be delayed.
 
2012-10-09 05:09:47 PM  

A Terrible Human: MoronLessOff: I was in a "gifted" program when I was much younger. Even then, I thought "gifted" meant "special". And "special" meant "retarded".

When I was in Kindergarten I had an aide with me for a long time. I recently asked my mom about this and she said they thought due to me being gray and deprived of oxygen at birth that I might be brain damaged. That's a hell of a thing to find out as an adult.

/Slightly hilarious honestly.


I recently learned that I was a "gray" as well.

I can count to potato!

/ 43
 
2012-10-09 05:10:02 PM  
This reminds me of the time I did my Calc final using interpretive dance and the projection of positive vibes. Of course, that was mostly the acid talking, but still.

Memories.
 
2012-10-09 05:10:43 PM  
FTFA: "Currently, parents must sign up their children to take the test, screening out those whose families are less engaged or savvy."

Well, there's your problem. Lot's easier to solve, too. But then the testing companies might earn less money for developing new tests.
 
2012-10-09 05:11:06 PM  

orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?


Asians, Jews, and Indians don't count as minorities because they're relatively successful in the US. Blacks/Latinos are considered minorities because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime and are disproportionately poor. We have to blame the crime rate/poverty on something, so we blame it on their "minority" status, never mind the fact that other minorities seem to be doing just fine.
 
2012-10-09 05:12:40 PM  

BigLuca: This reminds me of the time I did my Calc final using interpretive dance and the projection of positive vibes. Of course, that was mostly the acid talking, but still.

Memories.



When you encountered a divergent infinite series in your interpretive dance, did you run out of the room?
 
2012-10-09 05:16:02 PM  
lower the bar till everyone is in.
your boss probably doesn't want to know you got a ribbon in kindergarten.
you are known by your words, non verbal is when you have to do physical work.
so pointing at something and grunting probably won't help you to get a job.
 
2012-10-09 05:16:28 PM  
The school district my children are in has a pull out once a week gifted program for children up to 6th grade. My second child is gifted, abduction thus wasn't enough for her and she was often bored. 7th grade and above has a gate program. There is an entrance test and interview process. She was one of the 17 children selected for the program. They had room for 25, but only 17 were picked. This made me happy because i felt it showed they were selected due to ability, not to fill seats. These 7th graders are in class together for all their core classes, and are being taught at the 9th grade level. I have a 9th grader in college prep classes and her sister who is 7th is using the same textbooks and learning at the 9th grade honors level. The school year has just begun, but my daughter is finally excited to go to school. She has made comments about finally learning at her pace and how much she has in common with her classmates. Her goal is to finish middle school in this district but to go to high school at the magnet school for our county. It is a public school and has a 100 percent college rate for the graduates. i don't think the district pays a company for testing. They have their own process. I like it.
 
2012-10-09 05:17:35 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: And turn off the damn TV.


How else do you expect children to learn Standard American English when their parents speak a foreign language or some other dialect?

CSB: When I was living in Hawaii, a friend of mine learned to speak Korean by watching soap operas on TV.
 
2012-10-09 05:17:50 PM  

5monkeys: The school district my children are in has a pull out once a week gifted program for children up to 6th grade. My second child is gifted, abduction thus wasn't enough for her and she was often bored. 7th grade and above has a gate program. There is an entrance test and interview process. She was one of the 17 children selected for the program. They had room for 25, but only 17 were picked. This made me happy because i felt it showed they were selected due to ability, not to fill seats. These 7th graders are in class together for all their core classes, and are being taught at the 9th grade level. I have a 9th grader in college prep classes and her sister who is 7th is using the same textbooks and learning at the 9th grade honors level. The school year has just begun, but my daughter is finally excited to go to school. She has made comments about finally learning at her pace and how much she has in common with her classmates. Her goal is to finish middle school in this district but to go to high school at the magnet school for our county. It is a public school and has a 100 percent college rate for the graduates. i don't think the district pays a company for testing. They have their own process. I like it.


Wow. I should proofread when i post from my stupid autocorrecting phone
 
2012-10-09 05:17:57 PM  
Subby sounds ... special.

Not gifted.

Special.
 
2012-10-09 05:18:00 PM  
From TFA comments:

"I have a dream, that one day my children will ace the Three Point Shootaround portion of the SAT."

"It won't be long before they add singing and dancing."

Prophetic?
 
2012-10-09 05:19:40 PM  

Vangor: RexTalionis: Fine. The majority of gifted programs are bunk.

Happier?

I would say this is a result of our low prioritization and hostility towards gifted programs rather than a failure of programs for gifted students conceptually, but sure, I am happier.


The lower prioritization is a much more recent phenomenon, largely caused by No Child Left Behind and the emphasis on standardized testing.

The problem with gifted programs generally is that they're largely inconsistent and, for the most part, run by individuals who have no idea what they are doing teaching gifted children. There are exceptional programs, sure, but they are, for lack of a better word, exceptional.
 
2012-10-09 05:19:43 PM  

ProfessorOhki: the NNAT, will count for two-thirds of a student's score, said city officials, who signed a three-year, $5.5 million contract with the testing company

The Otis-Lennon School Ability Test, or OLSAT, which increasing numbers of children had prepared for intensely, will drop to a third of the total from 75%.

Why don't we just have a hundred different tests!?



Come to California, we do. STAR, CELDT, CST, CMA, CAPA, STS, EAP, CAHSEE, PFT, OLSAT, MARS, ACT, SAT, AP, DRA.
 
2012-10-09 05:21:24 PM  

xynix: Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.

It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored by the dumbed down content created for the lowest common denominator (90 IQ). My son was in it for the 5 years I kept him in public school. They take one day of the week and learn more advanced concepts. It is actually useful because they teach the same things that a child would learn in a private school but its free. By 6th grade however the TAG program get thinned out dramatically based on several criteria and by 8th grade it's thinned out even more. To put it in perspective 1-5th grade about 15% get into TAG and by 8th grade it's close to 3%.

Or you can just send your kid to a private school where they'll learn everything taught in TAG and more.. Mine goes to a college prep school where they teach college prep from 6th to 12th grade. The school has had a 100% college attendance rate since they started graduating kids in 2007 with a 98% "first pick" rate. If you want your kid to be successful then public school is a crap shoot.. you might want to have 3 or 4 kids so one can be successful. If you want your child to have success then pluck them out of public schools after 5th grade and buckle down for the expense of private which is $10,000 to $20,000 a year depending on the school. It is a pure cash outlay.. can't deduct it, get no credits for it, etc etc.


Ours was a called Creative and Talented. Tested in 1st grade, where I was already indeed so f--king bored that the teacher had me helping other kids for at least a third of the day, every day. In the program from 2nd to 8th grade, ended up going to and getting a degree from the best university in the state.

Easily half of those kids I grew up with in the Creative and Talented program (~ 30) went to the same school. Everybody else attended college, either out of state (a few went Ivy) or in state but picked, say, the second best school overall because they got a full ride.

In my high school, out of 200+ kids... 3 other people joined me at my alma mater.

So yeah, I'd say it was worth it. Of course, it doesn't exist anymore. Budget cuts a few years back. Damn shame.

/my parents couldn't afford private school
 
2012-10-09 05:21:57 PM  

RexTalionis: Vangor: RexTalionis: Fine. The majority of gifted programs are bunk.

Happier?

I would say this is a result of our low prioritization and hostility towards gifted programs rather than a failure of programs for gifted students conceptually, but sure, I am happier.

The lower prioritization is a much more recent phenomenon, largely caused by No Child Left Behind and the emphasis on standardized testing.

The problem with gifted programs generally is that they're largely inconsistent and, for the most part, run by individuals who have no idea what they are doing teaching gifted children. There are exceptional programs, sure, but they are, for lack of a better word, exceptional.


They are inconsistent. Try moving a gifted kid from one district to another. They don't recognize the testing from the other school and you have to start all over again waiting for your kid to get selected. This whole time they sit bored in a classroom.
 
2012-10-09 05:21:59 PM  

orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?


because they know how to do things for themselves and are self-motivated. To the left, 'minority' means "someone we have to give help to because they cant do it on their own"
 
2012-10-09 05:21:59 PM  

RexTalionis: Vangor: RexTalionis: Fine. The majority of gifted programs are bunk.

Happier?

I would say this is a result of our low prioritization and hostility towards gifted programs rather than a failure of programs for gifted students conceptually, but sure, I am happier.

The lower prioritization is a much more recent phenomenon, largely caused by No Child Left Behind and the emphasis on standardized testing.



No Child Left Behind = Every Child Left Mediocre
 
2012-10-09 05:22:42 PM  

xynix: Babwa Wawa: There are savants at that age, but they are so few that you don't develop a program around them. If you did, you wouldn't call it a "gifted" program.

It's called TAG and it's really just a way to keep kids from being extremely bored by the dumbed down content created for the lowest common denominator (90 IQ). My son was in it for the 5 years I kept him in public school. They take one day of the week and learn more advanced concepts. It is actually useful because they teach the same things that a child would learn in a private school but its free. By 6th grade however the TAG program get thinned out dramatically based on several criteria and by 8th grade it's thinned out even more. To put it in perspective 1-5th grade about 15% get into TAG and by 8th grade it's close to 3%.

Or you can just send your kid to a private school where they'll learn everything taught in TAG and more.. Mine goes to a college prep school where they teach college prep from 6th to 12th grade. The school has had a 100% college attendance rate since they started graduating kids in 2007 with a 98% "first pick" rate. If you want your kid to be successful then public school is a crap shoot.. you might want to have 3 or 4 kids so one can be successful. If you want your child to have success then pluck them out of public schools after 5th grade and buckle down for the expense of private which is $10,000 to $20,000 a year depending on the school. It is a pure cash outlay.. can't deduct it, get no credits for it, etc etc.



It's funny, I got my public school education in Canada (rural Canada at that) and I find that there in the US, the caliber of my education reaches the level of most of my privately educated peers. I don't see how I have any choice but to find a way to get my kid into private, prep school, which sucks because I'm not sure if I'll be making enough income to easily afford a 15k tuition bill. One thing is for sure, I will not throw my son to the wolves and let him fester in the steaming pile of shiat that is the American public school system.
 
2012-10-09 05:22:49 PM  

Yoyo: BoxOfBees: From TFA: African-Americans don't speak English, so how can they compete with people from China on a test in English?
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I think the author was employing the literary device called irony at this point. Either way, this article including the quoted material is still gold.

FTA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.
When did Asians stop being part of the minority? And what about poor white kids?

FTA: On the NNAT, often students "don't understand what they're supposed to do,"
If they can't figure out what they're supposed to do, then perhaps they're not that smart gifted.

The NNAT is significantly harder than the tests city has previously used, with some questions confusing even for adults
Wow! Color me surprised! You mean there are some adults that not smarter than some other adults? The world needs ditch diggers and delivery truck drivers.

/full disclosure: I was in gifted education from 3rd through 7th grade.
// I was in the special reading group in 1st grade.


I dont think your disclosure helps unless you include a description of your complexion.
 
2012-10-09 05:23:05 PM  
I wish there would have been a gifted program in my school, at least one day a week I wouldn't have been bored out of my mind. Granted, I went to an excellent private school, and I am not a genius by any means, but it would have been nice to be "inspired" by something other than the lame stuff in class day in and day out. I spent most of my day bored, looking out the window and daydreaming. I was smart enough to get all A and B's but everything I ever learned that was truly interesting happened outside the school. I would have given an arm or a leg to actually be with smarter kids and even one really intelligent adult.
 
2012-10-09 05:24:30 PM  

WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.


That is the only solution. Dumb down tests ntil everybody passes and the administration can meet its diversity goals by picking students from racial groups at random. We are already there.
 
2012-10-09 05:25:05 PM  

RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.


fromoureyes.com

I'll be in my gifted program.
 
2012-10-09 05:25:54 PM  
FTA: "As everybody seems to know lately, African-Americans aren't very good with language (the Word Gap), but they're aces with "abstract spatial thinking."

www.worldofstock.com

/Aced it
//Gifted
///College bound
 
2012-10-09 05:26:20 PM  

WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.


Actually, if you read the article, you'll note that critics are saying that the new NNAT tests are too difficult and are confusing even to some adults.
 
2012-10-09 05:26:53 PM  

RexTalionis: The lower prioritization is a much more recent phenomenon, largely caused by No Child Left Behind and the emphasis on standardized testing.


This has gone on long before. Check Smidchens and Sellin Attitudes toward mentally gifted learners (1976) and Peachman Attitudes: Their significance in education for the gifted (1942) is from well before the Marland Report. What NCLB did was shift further priority towards the bottom 25% in testing, resources, etc..

5monkeys: They are inconsistent. Try moving a gifted kid from one district to another. They don't recognize the testing from the other school and you have to start all over again waiting for your kid to get selected. This whole time they sit bored in a classroom.


This is not true of all districts or all states. But, I have found there are districts who do this not due to robustness of testing procedures compared to other districts but to legally deny the need to service students. It is a damned insult.
 
2012-10-09 05:28:03 PM  

WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.



Gotta go out and raise it then

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-10-09 05:28:30 PM  

Vectron: WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.

That is the only solution. Dumb down tests ntil everybody passes and the administration can meet its diversity goals by picking students from racial groups at random. We are already there.


We should do the same thing with pro sports. Clearly the there are significant flaws with the tryouts and recruiting system.
 
2012-10-09 05:28:54 PM  

Ambitwistor: Abstract spatial thinking?


Eddie van Halens Git-Box.

Thank You Poster
 
2012-10-09 05:29:32 PM  
hasty ambush: Talent instantly recognizes genius; mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself.
 
2012-10-09 05:29:35 PM  
and so it goes....

brotherpeacemaker.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-09 05:30:40 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We should do the same thing with pro sports.


We did. Happened around the 1940s for several sports.
 
2012-10-09 05:32:49 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?

Asians, Jews, and Indians don't count as minorities because they're relatively successful in the US. Blacks/Latinos are considered minorities because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime and are disproportionately poor. We have to blame the crime rate/poverty on something, so we blame it on their "minority" status, never mind the fact that other minorities seem to be doing just fine.


So we blame genetic deficiency instead? Never mind that African / West Indian immigrants are about as successful as their Asian counterparts...
 
2012-10-09 05:33:12 PM  
My boy, he's going to be the next PICASSO!
 
2012-10-09 05:34:18 PM  

orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?


Same reasons Jews aren't usually considered a minority:

Dad stays around and helps raise the kids.
Since the kids are being raised, they're forced to study.
Since they're studying, they do well in school.
Since they do well in school, they get into good colleges and universities.
Since they get into good universities, they get well-paying and respected careers.
Since they have well-paying and respected careers, they aren't on the government dole.

But, we're a horrifically racist country where you have to be white and Christian to get anywhere, and don't you forget it.
 
2012-10-09 05:34:27 PM  

RexTalionis: WTP 2: lower the bar till everyone is in.

Actually, if you read the article, you'll note that critics are saying that the new NNAT tests are too difficult and are confusing even to some adults.



Well, fact is that "some adults" aren't terribly "gifted".
 
2012-10-09 05:34:59 PM  

jshine: BigLuca: This reminds me of the time I did my Calc final using interpretive dance and the projection of positive vibes. Of course, that was mostly the acid talking, but still.

Memories.


When you encountered a divergent infinite series in your interpretive dance, did you run out of the room?


Actually that dance was "Ode to a Mandelbrot Set." It's been 10 years and I'm still dancing to it, you just can see it anymore.
 
2012-10-09 05:35:45 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: My boy, he's going to be the next PICASSO!

"All children are artists. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up."


-Pablo Picasso (unsourced but whatever, relevant)
 
2012-10-09 05:35:52 PM  
Obama thinks that by putting Advanced Placement courses in schools that have no need for them, it will solve the learning gap.
Yeah. that's the ticket!
 
2012-10-09 05:35:53 PM  

Arkanaut: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?

Asians, Jews, and Indians don't count as minorities because they're relatively successful in the US. Blacks/Latinos are considered minorities because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime and are disproportionately poor. We have to blame the crime rate/poverty on something, so we blame it on their "minority" status, never mind the fact that other minorities seem to be doing just fine.

So we blame genetic deficiency instead? Never mind that African / West Indian immigrants are about as successful as their Asian counterparts...


I'd blame it on the culture, myself.
 
2012-10-09 05:35:59 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: orbister: FTFA: Several studies show the test produces significant scoring gaps between wealthier white and Asian children and their poor, minority counterparts.

We Europeans can get a bit confused by racial terminology and politics in the US (Spanish-speaking is a race?). Could someone explain to me why Asians don't count as a minority?

Asians, Jews, and Indians don't count as minorities because they're relatively successful in the US. Blacks/Latinos are considered minorities because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime and are disproportionately poor. We have to blame the crime rate/poverty on something, so we blame it on their "minority" status, never mind the fact that other minorities seem to be doing just fine.


This is bullshiat.

First of all, I can assure you that Asians and Indians count as minorities (and we go through a lot of hassles due to our minority status). (I don't consider Jews to be minorities, they've largely integrated into society completely.)

Second, Indians and East Asians tend to do well because they're generally comprised of a select group. Most Asian and Indian immigrants immigrated within the last 25 years and many of the disproportionate new immigrants are well-educated or relatively wealthy individuals in their home countries. Because they tend to be relatively well-off or better educated, they are also more involved in their children's education. This is also true of recent African and Caribbean immigrants who also tend to outperform their native-born counterparts in the US in education, because they also tend to come from more educated or wealthier families.
 
2012-10-09 05:38:30 PM  

RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: The gifted programs are all bunk.

Well, it must seem that way to the slow ones.

Witty. Are you going to regale us with tales of how much smarter you are than me as well?


I'm sure he would but I think the assumption is that you're probably not smart enough to understand.
 
2012-10-09 05:38:59 PM  

keytronic: It's funny, I got my public school education in Canada (rural Canada at that) and I find that there in the US, the caliber of my education reaches the level of most of my privately educated peers. I don't see how I have any choice but to find a way to get my kid into private, prep school, which sucks because I'm not sure if I'll be making enough income to easily afford a 15k tuition bill. One thing is for sure, I will not throw my son to the wolves and let him fester in the steaming pile of shiat that is the American public school system.


Exactly! My son was born in Ireland and I never envisioned that I would stay there and didn't.. we moved back when he was 5. The education system there though is top notch and they're learning at a college level in 10th grade. Much like a private school does here... What sucks is that I have to spend so much money to give him an education that others in much poorer countries get for free.

It was a no brainer for me.. I had nightmares about sending my kid to a public school after 5th grade. The schools are literally geared for the stupidest person attending.. the next level down is "special ed." There is no compensation for children who have anything bordering on a higher level of intelligence. In fact looking through these comments I see a lot of "bored bored bored" and that's because you're all smarter than Joe Ditch Digger which is what our education system was intended to be used for. They want to educate those with a relative IQ of 90.
 
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