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2012-10-09 03:55:01 PM
5 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: Oh for fark's sake, don't tell me that the Blue Dogs are trying to change the meaning of "Centrist" and "Moderate" like the local trolls changed the meaning of "Independent." Goddamnit, I'm running out of words here.


Blue Dogs: Hey guys! Hey guys! You need to compromise with us!
Democrats: Aren't you Democrats? Shouldn't you already be on our side?
Blue Dogs: We're moderates!
Democrats: Um, ok. So what's your suggestion for compromise?
Blue Dogs: We should do whatever the Republicans say.
Democrats: What?
Blue Dogs: If we don't, Sean Hannity might call us the L-word.
Democrats: Lesbian?
Blue Dogs: No, the other one!
Democrats: Liberal?
Blue Dogs: SHHH! Don't say it out loud! Voters might hear!
Democrats: Who cares what Sean Hannity says?
Blue Dogs: You don't have to get so defensive!
Democrats: Being a moderate doesn't mean you take money from the Democrats and then vote with Republicans on every issue.
Blue Dogs: Um...
Democrats: If you don't agree with anything in the party platform, then why did you join the Democrats in the first place?
Blue Dogs: Well... the Tea Party said we were too moderate.
Democrats: So no one likes you then?
Blue Dogs: Our moms like us.
Democrats: If no one likes you and you don't stand for anything, what makes you think you can be a power broker in Congress?
Blue Dogs: Because we're moderate!
Democrats: No, you're opportunists. We're trying to solve some serious issues and you just want to float on the political winds.
Blue Dogs: Moderate!
Voters: These guys are douchebags. We might as well just vote for Republicans.
Blue Dogs: Hey!
Democrats: haha
Blue Dogs: This is your fault!
Democrats: How is it our fault?
Blue Dogs: Because you're too liberal!
Democrats: If that's so bad, why did we keep our seats and you were voted out?
Blue Dogs: Um...
Banks: Hey, want to be on our boards?
Blue Dogs: Yipee!
Democrats: Douchebags.
2012-10-09 03:28:08 PM
4 votes:
Oh, and FARK the blue dogs. www.waynebesen.com

Totally worthless, they deserve the door to hit them on the ass as hard as possible on the way out. We got the right's watered down health care plan thanks to them. The centrist plan was the government option, which noone really in their right mind would oppose unless they were thoroughly brainwashed. Single payer, there are definitely plenty of good arguments against. The government option should have been the compromise. Fark the blue dogs for not letting it happen.

The Democrats (at least the mainstream ones like Obama) ARE the centrists these days. There is no left.
2012-10-09 09:36:20 PM
3 votes:

DeathByGeekSquad: While Americans say they want an end to partisan bickering in Washington, Mr. Cooper said, they vote to maintain the system that has created it. "It's like Hollywood movies," he said. "Most people say there is too much violence and sex, but those are the only tickets that sell."

But hey, go rock that vote and keep it down party lines because the other side is evil. Every time you farking vote for the lesser of two evils, you're not sending the message that both are evil - you're sending the message that no matter what you'll still provide a vote.

Learn to farking abstain.


We already have the lowest voter turnout in any democracy. Refusing to vote doesn't send a message to anyone.
2012-10-09 05:49:59 PM
2 votes:
Yes, we should compromise with people who think that the Earth is 9000 years old; that climate change is a myth; that you balance budgets by cutting taxes; that you enhance your prestige overseas by invading oil-rich countries on specious pretexts; that lady parts can "shut that whole thing down" when they're "legitimately raped"; that teh ghey is a threat to your own marriage; that green energy is a UN conspiracy; that "small government" means "keep yer gubbmint hands off my Medicare"; that Democrats only want to hand out welfare checks to people who promise never to work; that taxpaying immigrants should be denied education, health care, food, oxygen.

I'm sure there is compromise to be found between planet Earth and the outer regions of the constellation Derpia. It mostly involves moving the Earth to the outer regions of the constellation Derpia.

/and by mostly I mean entirely
2012-10-09 04:12:15 PM
2 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: Centrism is worse.


Depends on what you mean by "centrism". The Democratic Party is, by the standards of post-WWII politics, the centrist party; they're not as pro-union as they used to be* and nobody is willing to propose the high marginal tax rates of a Francois Hollande or even Richard Nixon. More than a few are willing to play ball with big corporations and moneyed interests. On the other hand, the Republican Party is taken over by Biblical literalists, Objectivists / faux libertarians, and global warming denialists, all of whom refuse to regard such petty things like "facts" or "history"** when considering legislation. Some would call compromising with these Republicans "centrism"; but by any historical measure such a compromise would be solidly in the right side of the political spectrum.

*see Rahm Emmanuel's face-off with the Chicago teacher's union
**actual history, not mythologized history
2012-10-09 03:43:06 PM
2 votes:
Fark this bullshiat with the Blue Dog Democrats. Call them what they really are: Bought Off Democrats, such as Sen. Evan Bayh ("D" - Indiana) who objected to the health care reform act. Why? Well, it surely had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his wife sat on several boards, including that of Wellpoint. Good farking riddance to the whole lot of them, and maybe we can have a political movement other than Republican and Republican Lite.
2012-10-09 03:42:32 PM
2 votes:
Step 1: Remove the Senate entirely. It was a great idea at the time, back when the various states really were independent governments joined together in a union, and a compromise was necessary in order to prevent populous states from dominating the new federal government. But we are well past that, now. No one from Missouri has killed anyone just for being from Kansas in over a century. The 14th Amendment ensures the states must protect all of the rights that the federal government must protect. The notion of the republic is kind of quaint, now, and we are much more mobile. The Senate is no longer necessary. At a minimum, constitutionally mandate majority votes for everything not explicitly requiring a super-majority. Take away their filibuster toy, and they'll start moving legislation.

Step 2: Remove the state's ability to gerrymander by requiring proportional voting methods for congressional elections. If your state has 10 congressmen, then you get 10 votes to distribute among whatever candidates you like. Like one guy a lot? Give him all 10. Like two guys? Split it up five votes each. Or one vote for 10 different people. Top vote getters go to congress. This will moderate the candidates by requiring them to appeal to a broader selection of voters, and eliminate the state legislature's ability to gerrymander a candidate they don't like out of office.
2012-10-09 05:24:05 PM
1 votes:
...right. The Blue Dogs were the vestigial remnant of Southern Democracy, dingleberries clinging to the ass of a party long-washed from the strench and filth of Jim Crow, and were rightfully exorcised in the 2010 election.

Now, we're left with two parties. A right-leaning centrist party and an angry mob of chicken-farking, rabid, borderline right-wing extremist morons.
2012-10-09 05:05:44 PM
1 votes:

relcec: I Think we'd probably do better with direct democracy at his point.


What a direct democracy in the US might look like.
2012-10-09 04:00:56 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: Don't forget how they changed the meanings of "conservative" and "liberal".


Also true. Double-point bonus for "Ten or so moderate Democrats" despite there being no left-wing Democrats that I'm aware of.
2012-10-09 03:32:26 PM
1 votes:
A group of Democrats who are centrists, known as Blue Dogs, have been all but eviscerated from the House over the last few elections, and now three who have been in the Republicans' cross hairs for years are fighting uphill battles for re-election.

No. Blue Dogs are NOT centrists. They exist only to patronize old or dead staunch conservatives who never evolved to bother understanding either parties' platform.
2012-10-09 03:28:47 PM
1 votes:
I'm not sorry to see blue dogs go.
2012-10-09 03:24:36 PM
1 votes:
I can haz instant runoff elections plz?

Thats the only real solution, what would it take to do it?
2012-10-09 03:24:29 PM
1 votes:
Centrism is worse.
2012-10-09 03:07:25 PM
1 votes:
This sort of thing makes me wish I were a person who could become a local politician. I am not a great people person, but dammit, we need people who are open minded at all levels of Government. I love my desert home and want it to do well. Government can and should be a tool used to provide solutions to our problems, not a monolithic entity to hate and fear.
 
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