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2012-10-09 04:26:52 PM  
It's okay to be partisan. What isn't okay is to be partisan to the exclusion of all else (including the needs and desires of your constituents).
 
2012-10-09 04:27:41 PM  
Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit? And you can blame RINOs for that as well.

Where are the people that actually want to cut spending? We need around 525 of those and just have a few token libs around to make fun up their failed philosophy that they continue to pimp.
 
2012-10-09 04:32:52 PM  
No, willful ignorance is the enemy. The inability to decipher between truth and fiction, and the mental laziness that accepts what you're told without a shred of critical thinking. The unwillingness to allow your views to change based on current realities - THAT is the enemy. Partisanship is part of the problem, but it's a symptom rather than a cause. And you're crazy if you think both sides have it in equal quantities.
 
2012-10-09 04:34:40 PM  

MeinRS6: Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit? And you can blame RINOs for that as well.

Where are the people that actually want to cut spending? We need around 525 of those and just have a few token libs around to make fun up their failed philosophy that they continue to pimp.


Name 1 business that is not hiring because the national debt is too big.
 
2012-10-09 04:35:05 PM  
Frankly, it seems to me that DDDDEEEEERRRPPPPPPP is the number one enemy. Since facts now are labeled conservative and liberal, there are no facts.

THAT is the enemy.
 
2012-10-09 04:37:26 PM  

MeinRS6: Where are the people that actually want to cut spending?


Spending isn't the problem, the economy is the problem. Fighting the deficit at this point will do nothing but make that problem worse. Europe has pretty much proven that point.
 
2012-10-09 04:38:40 PM  

Ambivalence: It's okay to be partisan. What isn't okay is to be partisan to the exclusion of all else (including the needs and desires of your constituents).


problems arise when people abandon their ideology in order to serve groups whose interests are diametrically opposed to the vast majority of our society. when that happens you get 1.2 million illegal aliens with brand new work permits even though we have 8% unemployment and have had it for years and years, or medicare part D with no governmental negotiation on price, or the PPACA with no drug re-importation, no public option (and therefore no government negotiation on price), and no cost controls, or no bid contracts for Halliburton. it's the selling out of the american public. I Think we'd probably do better with direct democracy at his point.
 
2012-10-09 04:48:14 PM  
WRONG submitter, liberals are the number one enemy, QED
 
2012-10-09 04:50:15 PM  

relcec: I Think we'd probably do better with direct democracy at his point.


You'll quickly become disabused of that notion.
 
2012-10-09 04:54:18 PM  
I blame Democrats for hyper-partisanship.
 
2012-10-09 04:54:37 PM  

Jackson Herring: WRONG submitter, liberals are the number one enemy, QED


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WORD, biatchiz.
 
2012-10-09 04:56:01 PM  
THIS is the No. 1 enemy:

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2012-10-09 05:00:49 PM  

Blathering Idjut: MeinRS6: Where are the people that actually want to cut spending?

Spending isn't the problem, the economy is the problem.


Shirely, you must be joking.
 
2012-10-09 05:01:05 PM  

MeinRS6: Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit?


Not really:

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2012-10-09 05:05:44 PM  

relcec: I Think we'd probably do better with direct democracy at his point.


What a direct democracy in the US might look like.
 
2012-10-09 05:24:05 PM  
...right. The Blue Dogs were the vestigial remnant of Southern Democracy, dingleberries clinging to the ass of a party long-washed from the strench and filth of Jim Crow, and were rightfully exorcised in the 2010 election.

Now, we're left with two parties. A right-leaning centrist party and an angry mob of chicken-farking, rabid, borderline right-wing extremist morons.
 
2012-10-09 05:43:34 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm not giving them love for anything more than their ability to organize at a local level. Progressives need to start doing this. Again. I thought I felt a faint whisper of it back in '07 and '08, but it seemed to disappear when Obama was elected.


Fair enough.

There was a time when I thought occupy might be something.
 
2012-10-09 05:46:34 PM  

Rent Party: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: EyeballKid: FreakinB: So we get right into the political ramifications of the quote and don't have any fun whatsoever with the fact that the quote comes from Arnold Schwarzenegger? Come on people.

What more punchlines can be made of Schwarzenegger that Schwarzenegger isn't capable of making by himself? The only bigger joke than the Governator is all those idiotic Californians who voted for him. What?! A former bodybuilder DIDN'T know how to fix your state's financial woes? I'm shocked, I really am.

"The (Governor) is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it."

So let me ask you this. Why did you vote for Arnie, and not Gary Coleman in that election?


Arnie's a fun punchline, but his politics were actually pretty down the middle. Social liberal, fiscal conservative, willing to work with his opponents, trying to cut costs without ignoring the human element. Plus a great personality, hilarious speaker (both intentionally and unintentionally), and a classic bootstrap story.

He's really the ultimate politician. AND killing machine. You can't beat that.

As far as I'm concerned, guys like Obama and Arnie are the best politicians we got. You can disagree with their style, but their politics are solid. Mitt's politics aren't much different, but his style is horrible. Dude couldn't be worse at foreign policy, and his riches to more riches story is everything thats wrong with America.

Arnie's biggest problem was not standing up to the Democrats enough, coupled with not figuring out how to untie his hands from all of our poorly thought out initiatives and budget constraints. Obama's problem has been not standing up to the Republicans enough, coupled with not figuring out how to get the corporate media to stop making him out to be the opposite of what he actually is.

Romney's problem is that he's everything wrong with America. The only redeeming quality he has is that he is a moderate Republican willing to work with Democrats, but since he has no spine he'll do whatever is politically expedient and he'll end up getting played like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers' proverbial fiddle, just like Bush II did...
 
2012-10-09 05:48:29 PM  

SpectroBoy: Nadie_AZ: I'm not giving them love for anything more than their ability to organize at a local level. Progressives need to start doing this. Again. I thought I felt a faint whisper of it back in '07 and '08, but it seemed to disappear when Obama was elected.

Fair enough.

There was a time when I thought occupy might be something.


They had momentum. Yeah, you are right.
 
2012-10-09 05:49:59 PM  
Yes, we should compromise with people who think that the Earth is 9000 years old; that climate change is a myth; that you balance budgets by cutting taxes; that you enhance your prestige overseas by invading oil-rich countries on specious pretexts; that lady parts can "shut that whole thing down" when they're "legitimately raped"; that teh ghey is a threat to your own marriage; that green energy is a UN conspiracy; that "small government" means "keep yer gubbmint hands off my Medicare"; that Democrats only want to hand out welfare checks to people who promise never to work; that taxpaying immigrants should be denied education, health care, food, oxygen.

I'm sure there is compromise to be found between planet Earth and the outer regions of the constellation Derpia. It mostly involves moving the Earth to the outer regions of the constellation Derpia.

/and by mostly I mean entirely
 
2012-10-09 06:08:31 PM  
partisanship isn't as bad as the fact that they're all bought and paid for ...and it's totally legal.
 
2012-10-09 06:11:11 PM  

MeinRS6: Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit? And you can blame RINOs for that as well.

Where are the people that actually want to cut spending? We need around 525 of those and just have a few token libs around to make fun up their failed philosophy that they continue to pimp.


Obama offered up 4 trillion in spending cuts. But the GOP walked from it because it didn't include tax cuts for the 1%
 
2012-10-09 06:14:35 PM  
Want to know the best way to get rid of government-breaking partisanship? Have more than two viable parties. And the only way we're ever going to get that is if we change our voting to ranked-choice voting. This is the only way that people will not be throwing away their vote when they choose a third-party candidate. A binary system is very easy to break. Forcing coalitions means people who are willing to compromise can compromise.
 
2012-10-09 06:47:18 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Oh for fark's sake, don't tell me that the Blue Dogs are trying to change the meaning of "Centrist" and "Moderate" like the local trolls changed the meaning of "Independent." Goddamnit, I'm running out of words here.


Oh, looky what we got here. Well, Mr. "Professor," with your "logical arguments" they taught you at that fancy "elitist university" that "educated you." We don't take kindly to your ideas about "compromise" and "negotiation."
 
2012-10-09 07:46:20 PM  

Hobodeluxe: MeinRS6: Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit? And you can blame RINOs for that as well.

Where are the people that actually want to cut spending? We need around 525 of those and just have a few token libs around to make fun up their failed philosophy that they continue to pimp.

Obama offered up 4 trillion in spending cuts. But the GOP walked from it because it didn't include tax cuts for the 1%


This is what liberals actually believe. lulz
 
2012-10-09 08:00:43 PM  
No, the real enemy is epistemological deadlock and the resulting bad-faith debate. Partisanship is an especially egregious manifestation of this deeper problem, but it is still only one of many.
 
2012-10-09 08:32:28 PM  
My best friend is a republican. I'm a democrat. I can tell this, because when we go out to breakfast once a month or so, he asks for the business section of the newspaper first, and I take the news section. After 10 minutes, we swap. It works out kind of well; we save a buck on the paper, and he's always got something interesting to tell me, or vice versa.

But to listen to the bomb-throwing maniacs on TV and the radio, he's clearly a bigoted religious fanatic who probably rapes boys, and I'm a bong-smoking communist intent on killing a god whose existence I deny. And then I'm supposed to rape someone, I think.

I honestly think it's mostly due to the presence of a very profitable media market that operates around the clock screaming that he's trying to bring back Hitler, and I'm trying to bring back Marx. And the raping of stereotype-appropriate imaginary people.
 
2012-10-09 09:21:38 PM  
While Americans say they want an end to partisan bickering in Washington, Mr. Cooper said, they vote to maintain the system that has created it. "It's like Hollywood movies," he said. "Most people say there is too much violence and sex, but those are the only tickets that sell."

But hey, go rock that vote and keep it down party lines because the other side is evil. Every time you farking vote for the lesser of two evils, you're not sending the message that both are evil - you're sending the message that no matter what you'll still provide a vote.

Learn to farking abstain.
 
2012-10-09 09:36:20 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: While Americans say they want an end to partisan bickering in Washington, Mr. Cooper said, they vote to maintain the system that has created it. "It's like Hollywood movies," he said. "Most people say there is too much violence and sex, but those are the only tickets that sell."

But hey, go rock that vote and keep it down party lines because the other side is evil. Every time you farking vote for the lesser of two evils, you're not sending the message that both are evil - you're sending the message that no matter what you'll still provide a vote.

Learn to farking abstain.


We already have the lowest voter turnout in any democracy. Refusing to vote doesn't send a message to anyone.
 
2012-10-09 11:23:39 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: While Americans say they want an end to partisan bickering in Washington, Mr. Cooper said, they vote to maintain the system that has created it. "It's like Hollywood movies," he said. "Most people say there is too much violence and sex, but those are the only tickets that sell."

But hey, go rock that vote and keep it down party lines because the other side is evil. Every time you farking vote for the lesser of two evils, you're not sending the message that both are evil - you're sending the message that no matter what you'll still provide a vote.

Learn to farking abstain.


I don't know if you've been following Republican voter id laws, but they want you to abstain from voting. Involuntarily, if necessary.
 
2012-10-10 02:14:22 AM  
if we could just eliminate the morons in the republican party and the half the country plus 1 big bird that prefers them, we could have all the nonpartisanship we want
 
2012-10-10 03:08:35 AM  

MeinRS6: Isn't working with Democrats how the country ended up with a $16trillion debt and a $1.6 trillion annual budget deficit? And you can blame RINOs for that as well.

Where are the people that actually want to cut spending? We need around 525 of those and just have a few token libs around to make fun up their failed philosophy that they continue to pimp.


No. You know very well that is not correct.

Bill Clinton presided over budget surpluses.

Ronald Reagan, who campaigned to balance the budget, and George W Bush both ran up record deficits.

Most of Obama's contribution to the national debt stems from Bush's wars and Bush's recession.

You know this very well don't you?

You are demonstrating very clearly why partisanship is a bad thing. It takes away people's moral and intellectual responsibility to reality.
 
2012-10-10 07:47:18 AM  

MisterTweak: My best friend is a republican. I'm a democrat. I can tell this, because when we go out to breakfast once a month or so, he asks for the business section of the newspaper first, and I take the news section. After 10 minutes, we swap. It works out kind of well; we save a buck on the paper, and he's always got something interesting to tell me, or vice versa.

But to listen to the bomb-throwing maniacs on TV and the radio, he's clearly a bigoted religious fanatic who probably rapes boys, and I'm a bong-smoking communist intent on killing a god whose existence I deny. And then I'm supposed to rape someone, I think.

I honestly think it's mostly due to the presence of a very profitable media market that operates around the clock screaming that he's trying to bring back Hitler, and I'm trying to bring back Marx. And the raping of stereotype-appropriate imaginary people.


Does your friend imagine that gay marriage threatens his own marriage? Does he imagine that his party reduced the deficit, or even TRIED to reduce the deficit, at any time in his life? Does he imagine that his party doesn't talk about the evils of social spending while at the same time promising that senior voters won't have their benefits touched? Does he imagine that his party does not, to this day, try to present the Iraq Murder Party as a fine, brave, noble thing?

Hitler? No. Liars? Yes.
 
2012-10-10 08:25:04 AM  
I wouldn't be so partisan if the Democrats were such socialists!
 
2012-10-10 10:02:35 AM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Romney's problem is that he's everything wrong with America. The only redeeming quality he has is that he is a moderate Republican willing to work with Democrats, but since he has no spine he'll do whatever is politically expedient and he'll end up getting played like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers' proverbial fiddle, just like Bush II did...


That's exactly what scares me the most about Romney and the biggest reason I could never vote for him.
 
2012-10-10 11:29:15 AM  
if we continue down that path of polarization as we are, then we will eventually be whigs and tories. This will be followed by another revolution.
 
2012-10-10 01:55:13 PM  
Partisanship, in the form of a focus on team alliance and positioning rather than facts and objective truth, is the enemy. Unfortunately, the average "centrist" is at least as guilty of this as the average extremist.
 
2012-10-10 03:35:52 PM  

urbangirl: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Romney's problem is that he's everything wrong with America. The only redeeming quality he has is that he is a moderate Republican willing to work with Democrats, but since he has no spine he'll do whatever is politically expedient and he'll end up getting played like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers' proverbial fiddle, just like Bush II did...

That's exactly what scares me the most about Romney and the biggest reason I could never vote for him.


You and me both sister. The White House ain't the Massachusetts governor's mansion... Mitt will be worse than Shrub II...
 
2012-10-11 12:54:38 PM  

Kibbler: MisterTweak: My best friend is a republican. I'm a democrat. I can tell this, because when we go out to breakfast once a month or so, he asks for the business section of the newspaper first, and I take the news section. After 10 minutes, we swap. It works out kind of well; we save a buck on the paper, and he's always got something interesting to tell me, or vice versa.

But to listen to the bomb-throwing maniacs on TV and the radio, he's clearly a bigoted religious fanatic who probably rapes boys, and I'm a bong-smoking communist intent on killing a god whose existence I deny. And then I'm supposed to rape someone, I think.

I honestly think it's mostly due to the presence of a very profitable media market that operates around the clock screaming that he's trying to bring back Hitler, and I'm trying to bring back Marx. And the raping of stereotype-appropriate imaginary people.

Does your friend imagine that gay marriage threatens his own marriage? Does he imagine that his party reduced the deficit, or even TRIED to reduce the deficit, at any time in his life? Does he imagine that his party doesn't talk about the evils of social spending while at the same time promising that senior voters won't have their benefits touched? Does he imagine that his party does not, to this day, try to present the Iraq Murder Party as a fine, brave, noble thing?

Hitler? No. Liars? Yes.


No, actually, he doesn't. He has pretty much the same interests as me: getting to work safely on a paved road, better management of airports, etc. Where we differ is, I probably am more concerned about the impact on the public of how private lands are used (gas/oil drilling, etc) while he is more concerned about regulatory impact (i.e. the "takings" clause) I'd say one third the time he makes a good case that I'm worrying about something I shouldn't, one third the time he's trying to remove an obstacle that doesn't actually exist, and one third the time we can't solve a global problem before the check arrives.
 
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