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(Reuters)   Re-districting and general constituent disgust with their bat-shiat crazy voting records have put the seats of many of the Tea Party's leading lights in serious jeopardy this election cycle   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2012-10-09 11:09:24 AM  
You mean far right extremism doesn't play well? Whoda thunk it.

No wonder the tea party had to lie in 2010 about being moderates who only cared about the deficit. If people knew what they really believed and advocated, they wouldn't have been elected in the first place.
 
2012-10-09 11:13:13 AM  
Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.
 
2012-10-09 11:32:53 AM  
"I follow a few basic principles," Amash said. "I always make sure that legislation is moving in the direction of limited government, economic freedom and individual liberty."

So.. you would have voted no on the Iraq war? How about WW2? Or Social Security? or the Civil Rights Act?

It's nice to have a litmus test in theory, but in practice it doesn't always work.
 
2012-10-09 11:35:25 AM  
Regardless of party, it's hard to fathom any westernized country having less qualified or more inept elected representatives than America.
 
2012-10-09 11:39:36 AM  

Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes


Yes, he explains to his constituents every time that he votes like a 2 year old speaks. I wonder why that hasn't won him votes.
 
2012-10-09 11:47:22 AM  

what_now: "I follow a few basic principles," Amash said. "I always make sure that legislation is moving in the direction of limited government, economic freedom and individual liberty."

So.. you would have voted no on the Iraq war? How about WW2? Or Social Security? or the Civil Rights Act?

It's nice to have a litmus test in theory, but in practice it doesn't always work.


I think you read that wrong. I think he meant to say, "I always make sure that legislation is moving in the direction of limited government, limited economic freedom and limited individual liberty."
 
2012-10-09 11:49:03 AM  

what_now: It's nice to have a litmus test in theory, but in practice it doesn't always work.


Yeah, I'd say the second world war kind of fits seeing as how defeat would mean the end those principles.
 
2012-10-09 11:59:55 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Regardless of party, it's hard to fathom any westernized country having less qualified or more inept elected representatives than America.


QFT

/the sad part is it's nothing new
 
2012-10-09 11:59:55 AM  

Aarontology: what_now: It's nice to have a litmus test in theory, but in practice it doesn't always work.

Yeah, I'd say the second world war kind of fits seeing as how defeat would mean the end those principles.


I can say that passing single payer health care will lead to economic freedom and individual liberty, as people are able to start a home business without worrying about heath insurance, but I bet our friend wouldn't agree.
 
2012-10-09 12:13:57 PM  
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2012-10-09 12:36:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Regardless of party, it's hard to fathom any westernized country having less qualified or more inept elected representatives than America.

QFT

/the sad part is it's nothing new


The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that part of the problem is the existence of committees in Congress. It's one thing to elect a person to Congress - after all, the framers designed the system so that anyone could have a shot at being elected.

The problems arise when you start putting these people into committees. the oldest members get to pick the laziest assignment possible, and the rest of them are randomly assigned to subjects on which they know less than nothing.
 
2012-10-09 12:43:47 PM  

what_now: I can say that passing single payer health care will lead to economic freedom and individual liberty, as people are able to start a home business without worrying about heath insurance, but I bet our friend wouldn't agree.


He probably wouldn't.
 
2012-10-09 12:50:39 PM  
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2012-10-09 12:50:47 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Regardless of party, it's hard to fathom any westernized country having less qualified or more inept elected representatives than America.

QFT

/the sad part is it's nothing new

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that part of the problem is the existence of committees in Congress. It's one thing to elect a person to Congress - after all, the framers designed the system so that anyone could have a shot at being elected.

The problems arise when you start putting these people into committees. the oldest members get to pick the laziest assignment possible, and the rest of them are randomly assigned to subjects on which they know less than nothing.


Please, it's not like a leading memeber of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee,is somehow simultaneously and MD and somehow able to believe that Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell." making crucial decisions on our nation's scientific policies and funding
 
2012-10-09 12:51:17 PM  

Aarontology: You mean far right extremism doesn't play well? Whoda thunk it.

No wonder the tea party had to lie in 2010 about being moderates who only cared about the deficit. If people knew what they really believed and advocated, they wouldn't have been elected in the first place.


I dunno man--that far right extremism is a huge, HUGE factor in the fact that the polls are much closer, if not tied right now.

It's scary that those dummies can vote--but this is the price we pay for willful ignorance.
 
2012-10-09 12:53:11 PM  

Magorn: Grand_Moff_Joseph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Regardless of party, it's hard to fathom any westernized country having less qualified or more inept elected representatives than America.

QFT

/the sad part is it's nothing new

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that part of the problem is the existence of committees in Congress. It's one thing to elect a person to Congress - after all, the framers designed the system so that anyone could have a shot at being elected.

The problems arise when you start putting these people into committees. the oldest members get to pick the laziest assignment possible, and the rest of them are randomly assigned to subjects on which they know less than nothing.

Please, it's not like a leading memeber of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee,is somehow simultaneously and MD and somehow able to believe that Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell." making crucial decisions on our nation's scientific policies and funding


The next thing you'll tell me is Michelle Bachmann is on the intelligence committee!
 
2012-10-09 12:54:14 PM  
I am willing to put money into whomever might be running against them so that we might have some fresh air in Congress... AGAIN.

\ I am stuck with Cantor.
\\Powell is going down in flames
\\\Slashies for Congress!
 
2012-10-09 12:58:36 PM  
Baggerism proves that even a poorly executed snake-oil scam can still be profitable. Sneak your way into office on a message of 'Murka and kill-them-thar-socialists-git-er-done, and then rake in the corporate cash until your constituents finally figure out the con and toss you out. Your expected lifespan in Congress is longer when pulling this scam in the derpier parts of the country, but even a single cycle is enough to get PAID.

Sometimes I wish I had the absolute lack of morals necessary to pull this scam. Could really use the money.
 
2012-10-09 01:07:41 PM  
Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.
 
2012-10-09 01:08:31 PM  
Is he one of those baggers that want to increase taxes on the poor?

Because that's totally normal for an anti-tax party, and not at all spiteful idiocy from warmed over republicans.
 
2012-10-09 01:10:21 PM  

Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.


Umm...no. See we had a jobs, budget, economic deal that at least made some kind of sense and these Tea Party farktards went and revolted, scuttling the whole thing. The Teatards hate science, economics, and common sense, but love Jesus and his disciple Ayn Rand with all their hatred.
 
2012-10-09 01:11:09 PM  
We'll see.

The teabaggers only enjoyed success in 2010 because so many people stayed home and didn't pay enough attention to them, not because their insane "ideas" are in any way popular outside that 25% of America that has proven again and again since 2000 that it's certifiably nuts. I wouldn't be surprised to see a repeat of that this cycle.
 
2012-10-09 01:11:27 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.


Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)
 
2012-10-09 01:14:16 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: We'll see.

The teabaggers only enjoyed success in 2010 because so many people stayed home and didn't pay enough attention to them, not because their insane "ideas" are in any way popular outside that 25% of America that has proven again and again since 2000 that it's certifiably nuts. I wouldn't be surprised to see a repeat of that this cycle.


Yep. The voter turnout rate in 2010 was 41%. That means that around 20% of the populace actually put these toolboxes in power.

Oh, look! Another flaw with electoral politics!
 
2012-10-09 01:15:25 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.

Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)


Pull the other one. Romney's a blank slate for the baggers to work with (from?); it's the other guy who's got the full resume of Atlas Shrugging Fountainhead Anthems.
 
2012-10-09 01:16:16 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.

Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)


He can't. Anyone who thinks he will govern like a moderate forgets the far right is in control of a ton of congress. If he resembles Obama, Clinton, or himself in Massachusetts, they'll block him, too.
 
2012-10-09 01:16:42 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: /I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)


With the GOPs we have in our congress?

Pfft.
 
2012-10-09 01:17:42 PM  

Gulper Eel: he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.


If I don't enjoy whatever he's doing to piss Boehner off, I don't enjoy that he is pissing Boehner off. I want adults in Congress, not trolls.
 
2012-10-09 01:19:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.

Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)

Pull the other one. Romney's a blank slate for the baggers to work with (from?); it's the other guy who's got the full resume of Atlas Shrugging Fountainhead Anthems.


Ryan is scary. I will admit that. I can a scenario where Romney will abdicate delegate much of his presidential duties to Ryan. I think Romney is just in it for the prestige and to make his dead daddy proud.
 
2012-10-09 01:20:41 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Gulper Eel: he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.

If I don't enjoy whatever he's doing to piss Boehner off, I don't enjoy that he is pissing Boehner off. I want adults in Congress, not trolls.


Yeah, it would be great if we could try good governance for once. The same shortcomings of the average moron would actually work in Congress favor. A moron isn't going to remember that you compromised and got something done any more than they're aware that you acted as an obstructionist.
 
2012-10-09 01:28:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.

Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)

Pull the other one. Romney's a blank slate for the baggers to work with (from?); it's the other guy who's got the full resume of Atlas Shrugging Fountainhead Anthems.


Gary Johnson?
 
2012-10-09 01:34:13 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Another flaw with electoral politics!


Depends on how you look at the 59% of people to lazy and stupid to go vote. If you assume their vote effectively means "meh, whatever", then they can be seen as implicitly supporting whoever gets elected.

I'd say it's working perfectly. A bunch of morons couldn't be bothered to vote, so a bunch of morons got elected. Seems perfectly representative, if not for entirely obvious reasons.
 
2012-10-09 01:38:15 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: Even though he predates Baggers in Congress, there is one on the presidential ticket. I'd say they're doing a great job of failing upward.

And that is the scariest thing I've typed on Fark.

Romney's not a bagger, but he plays one on TV. He is an actor and a poor one, though the cognitive sophistication of many Americans requires little talent to suspend disbelief.

/I hope he will govern from the the middle like in MA (if elected)

Pull the other one. Romney's a blank slate for the baggers to work with (from?); it's the other guy who's got the full resume of Atlas Shrugging Fountainhead Anthems.

Ryan is scary. I will admit that. I can a scenario where Romney will abdicate delegate much of his presidential duties to Ryan. I think Romney is just in it for the prestige and to make his dead daddy proud.


In the dark corners of my mind I envision a scenario where Romney resigns January 21, 2014 and we're stuck with Paul Ryan for 10 years.
 
2012-10-09 01:46:02 PM  

Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.


That is a difference between lefties and Republicans, who don't like something just because it pisses off the Republicans.
 
2012-10-09 01:47:05 PM  
Good , they need to go .
 
2012-10-09 01:49:33 PM  

Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.

He voted against the budget bill authored by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan this year because it did not cut deeply enough for him


Someone needs to explain to this guy that politics is not about always getting what you want. It's about getting the best outcome that everyone will agree to support - not acting like a screaming 2 year old in the candy aisle when mommy says no to buying you some skittles.

Actually, take politics in that statement and replace it with 'living in a stable and peaceful society with other adults'.
 
2012-10-09 01:58:47 PM  
Democracy works then......I hope.
 
2012-10-09 02:14:56 PM  
What a shame. Lemme muster up some sympathy.

...

Wait... waaaait for it.... oh... oh.... here it comes! HERE IT COMES...


...

Nope, sorry, I just farted, is all. Maybe next time.
 
2012-10-09 02:23:05 PM  

Karac: He voted against the budget bill authored by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan this year because it did not cut deeply enough for him

Someone needs to explain to this guy that politics is not about always getting what you want. It's about getting the best outcome that everyone will agree to support - not acting like a screaming 2 year old in the candy aisle when mommy says no to buying you some skittles.


So politics is about falling obediently into line when the bosses say so. Great.

Amash's position on budget cuts is defensible: we can eat the shiat sandwich now, or be force-fed the seven-course shiat-and-month-old-roadkill dinner later. He knew he wasn't going to get what he wanted but cast his vote on principle, which has become an utterly incomprehensible concept to the hacks wedded to the two-party system.

I respect Amash for more or less the same reasons I respect a guy like Dennis Kucinich. I may have thought Kucinich's reasoning in calling for Bush to be impeached was faulty, but having arrived at his conclusion that the president had committed high crimes and misdemeanors, Kucinich did not then stick his finger in the wind and say "y'know what, this isn't polling well enough to work so let's just ignore the past and say, is that some defense pork? I'd love some, thanks" like some other allegedly anti-war congressmembers (coughMAURICEHINCHEYcough) who were all about 'speaking truth to power' until they got some power.
 
2012-10-09 02:40:55 PM  

Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.


Not really. It's the fact that Boehner can't manage people like him that makes Boehner such a lousy Speaker, which in turn has made this congress even more unproductive than it might have been.

Kudos on "market tested politcal weaselworking". I like that.
 
2012-10-09 02:43:10 PM  

MrBallou: Gulper Eel: Amash takes the time to bluntly explain every single one of his votes, which is more than can be said for most other members of Congress who when they deign to explain themselves at all will do so in market tested politcal weaselwording.

Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.

Not really. It's the fact that Boehner can't manage people like him that makes Boehner such a lousy Speaker, which in turn has made this congress even more unproductive than it might have been.

Kudos on "market tested politcal weaselworking weaselwording". I like that.


ftfm
 
2012-10-09 03:40:00 PM  

Gulper Eel: Karac: He voted against the budget bill authored by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan this year because it did not cut deeply enough for him

Someone needs to explain to this guy that politics is not about always getting what you want. It's about getting the best outcome that everyone will agree to support - not acting like a screaming 2 year old in the candy aisle when mommy says no to buying you some skittles.

So politics is about falling obediently into line when the bosses say so. Great.

Amash's position on budget cuts is defensible: we can eat the shiat sandwich now, or be force-fed the seven-course shiat-and-month-old-roadkill dinner later. He knew he wasn't going to get what he wanted but cast his vote on principle, which has become an utterly incomprehensible concept to the hacks wedded to the two-party system.

I respect Amash for more or less the same reasons I respect a guy like Dennis Kucinich. I may have thought Kucinich's reasoning in calling for Bush to be impeached was faulty, but having arrived at his conclusion that the president had committed high crimes and misdemeanors, Kucinich did not then stick his finger in the wind and say "y'know what, this isn't polling well enough to work so let's just ignore the past and say, is that some defense pork? I'd love some, thanks" like some other allegedly anti-war congressmembers (coughMAURICEHINCHEYcough) who were all about 'speaking truth to power' until they got some power.


And I'm saying that this guy is welded to his position of budget cuts that he KNOWS cannot get past the Senate or the President. He can say we have to eat the sandwich now or be force fed it in a few years, but unless he thinks he can down that thing all by his lonesome then he needs to be able to work with the rest of the government to get started.

He can demand 100% of what he wants and 0% of what the other side wants and nobody gets anywhere, or maybe he can compromise and we at least eat half the sandwich now.
 
2012-10-09 03:48:57 PM  
It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

- D. Adams

Goes for Congress, too.

I told my wife that I should try and run for some kind of office, but I think it would take far too long to get to an office of any meaningful status. I am an independent, I side with issues on both sides of the aisles: Pro-choice, anti-gun controls, pro-LGBT rights and marriage, pro-entitlement fraud enforcement, pro-immigration but also pro-border control. I'm also an atheist with the respect to others that are religious and their viewpoints but not letting that change any positions of my own. I've actually looked at the history of several different religions to understand their ideas and positions and while I wouldn't hold the same on everything, I can certainly be open to respect their beliefs while not actively believe them myself. "You want to believe in the FSM? Great, but that has nothing to do with how this works."

I believe that everyone can have a deity they believe in. I believe that religion can have an effect on your ideals. I don't believe that your ideals are any better than anyone person's of another faith, or of no faith, and I don't believe that just because your god "says this is bad" doesn't mean that everyone's god says that, too. If it's bad for you, then you deal with it yourself. You don't need government standardizing your religion over anyone else's. That is the same as infringing someone else's rights so that yours are more important and I don't believe that's what the country was founded on.

But then I realize that's why I will never hold office. Because I will never get the support needed to do anything. i won't have enough support form any R's or D's, and there aren't enough I's to do anything with. So, instead of bringing in more people that can work together, we just get more us vs. them participants and the great wheel of gridlock goes on.
 
2012-10-09 04:21:51 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-09 04:55:14 PM  

FunkyBlue: It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

- D. Adams

Goes for Congress, too.

I told my wife that I should try and run for some kind of office, but I think it would take far too long to get to an office of any meaningful status. I am an independent, I side with issues on both sides of the aisles: Pro-choice, anti-gun controls, pro-LGBT rights and marriage, pro-entitlement fraud enforcement, pro-immigration but also pro-border control. I'm also an atheist with the respect to others that are religious and their viewpoints but not letting that change any positions of my own. I've actually looked at the history of several different religions to understand their ideas and positions and while I wouldn't hold the same on everything, I can certainly be open to respect their beliefs while not actively believe them myself. "You want to believe in the FSM? Great, but that has nothing to do with how this works."

I believe that everyone can have a deity they believe in. I believe that religion can have an effect on your ideals. I don't believe that your ideals are any better than anyone person's of another faith, or of no faith, and I don't believe that just because your god "says this is bad" doesn't mean that everyone's god says that, too. If it's bad for you, then you deal with it yourself. You don't need government standardizing your religion over anyone else's. That is the same as infringing someone else's rights so that yours are more important and I don't believe that's what the country was founded on.

But then I realize that's why I will never hold office. Because I will never get the support needed to do anything. i won't have enough support form any R's or D's, and there aren't enough I's to do anything with. So, instead of bringing in more people that can work together, we just get mo ...



In the United States, unless you are in a very safe liberal zone, will not elect a non-theist. Also, the average American (at least in my area) swears way too much. Oh, and don't forget that most of us would cold-clock an asshole who knowingly tries to harm the United States and our citizens ... which would then just be used against you.

Basically, the average American couldn't handle the average American.

On the plus side, as a Millennial I get the pleasure of seeing my generation try to run for public office in the digital age. Youtube, Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, Craig's List and even sites like Fark will be the downfall for tons of potential candidates.
 
2012-10-09 05:27:48 PM  

xanadian: What a shame. Lemme muster up some sympathy.

...

Wait... waaaait for it.... oh... oh.... here it comes! HERE IT COMES...


...

Nope, sorry, I just farted, is all. Maybe next time.


LOL That was beautiful.. brought a tear to me eye...

You sir are farkied

www.macmeisters.com
 
2012-10-09 07:29:29 PM  

Gulper Eel: Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.


Liberals aren't motived by spite.
 
2012-10-09 09:04:03 PM  

Garble: Gulper Eel: Plus he pisses off Boehner on a regular basis, which I would think a leftist would enjoy.

Liberals aren't motived by spite.


Clearly you've never seen New York politics.
 
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