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2012-10-09 12:55:55 PM  

AnotherOldFart: tonguedepressor: I'd like to see somebody get him to explain how he isn't guilty of a single count of molestation.

He had 52 counts against him by 10 different victims.

So the whole thing was a giant conspiracy against poor you Jerry and Penn State as part of an elaborate 20 year plan to milk $$ out of a lawsuit, is that what you're claiming Jerry?

What's going on in his mind that he thinks he can get people to believe him?

He has to say he is innocent otherwise they will throw his appeal out. He can't show remorse or guilt for a lessor sentence either. He's in a catch 22 and deserves everything he gets in prison for what he has done.


Do you think he believes his own lies or do you think he's saying "I can beat this, I'm f*cking Jerry Sandusky! It's my word and reputation against 10 ghetto rats."
 
2012-10-09 12:56:46 PM  

lectos: I am not sure why anyone is surprised by this happening in a homoerotic sport. Jerry was just living out what you all fantasize about while watching sweaty men play with a rubber ball.


That's what bothers me about all this. This isn't simply a guy who was gay, couldn't bring himself to come out of the closet, and so snuck around the showers after hours.

Sandusky was around young, virile hard bodies all day, every day. He couldn't find one or two he liked that were legal and willing (and don't tell me that Penn State never recruited a gay or bisexual athlete) and get his groove on, he had to go for the troubled 12 year olds?

Not. Wired. Right. By any standard.
 
2012-10-09 01:01:02 PM  
Delay of game
 
2012-10-09 01:02:30 PM  

lectos: I am not sure why anyone is surprised by this happening in a homoerotic sport. Jerry was just living out what you all fantasize about while watching sweaty men play with a rubber ball.


Its leather not rubber.

Just like the rippled hide, sinewy muscled, virile young lad studs that play the game.

*whew* Is it warm in here?
 
2012-10-09 01:05:10 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rape is NOT a NON-VIOLENT OFFENSE. Your age does not excuse you, nor does your risk of flight. No. If protection is needed, then protective custody/your own cell it is, like every other damn rapist in the system.


His victim set is 8-to-15-year-old boys, that he screened, groomed, isolated and victimized. His victim set doesn't exist in any-level-security prison, so they don't need to spend the extra (and I mean enormous) dollars to put him in heavier-security prison.

Now, since he's not going to be housed among the craziest of violent offenders, his chances of living long enough to die of natural causes improve. For a narcissistic extrovert with an overwhelming need to be around and abuse kids, I'd say the longer that he spends in prison, likely away from most human contact, attention, fame, adulation, and most importantly kids, the more just his sentence and worse his punishment.

But I can see wanting him to be put in with the rest of the scum, because he is scum.
 
2012-10-09 01:05:27 PM  
"It is real. It is painful and it will be inside me forever." probably isn't the best thing for a victim to choose to say in this case.
 
2012-10-09 01:06:24 PM  
30 years... God, that is harsh.
 
2012-10-09 01:08:24 PM  
Let's send him a poster

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-09 01:08:51 PM  
30 year minimum is fine, so long as he's force to wear a gimp mask the entire time.
 
2012-10-09 01:12:13 PM  

Deathfrogg: TheGreatGazoo: Even if he did get out, the Penn State fans would run him out of town on a rail after tarring and feathering him.

Whattaya talkin about? A lot of folks are still defending the guy, and his Lawyer support fund is still getting enough money coming in, and fat enough to support several appeals, which he is already planning to do.


That is true. But in reality, he is still in prison, where he can't hurt any more defenseless kids. His lawyer will make plenty of money on the appeal's process; but the true monster is where he has to worry about being defenseless. Appeals drag out for years and years. I don't know if his life will.
 
2012-10-09 01:12:49 PM  
Fell on a shiv 47 times?!! Damnedest case of suicide we've ever seen.....
 
2012-10-09 01:19:25 PM  

HAMMERTOE: valkore: Whew, glad your philosophy isn't shared with any modern Western country. Although I'm sure there are quite a few countries run under Sharia law that agree with you.

You did your level best to sound like a relieved perpetrator. Are you? Are you even considering?


I'm relieved that I am a citizen of a country that recognizes there are major flaws in eye-for-an-eye justice and therefore builds its legal system accordingly.
 
2012-10-09 01:25:15 PM  

FuturePastNow: He won't serve 30 years. He'll be dead in five. Child molesters don't last very long in prison. That's just the way it is.


If that was true, recidivism wouldn't be a problem for child molesters.
 
2012-10-09 01:26:20 PM  
I personally like it...it gives him just that teeeeeny tiiiiny bit of false hope, that gets to torture him for the rest of his days. Might keep him from taking the easy way out immediately. God knows he doesn't deserve it.
 
2012-10-09 01:28:37 PM  
i78.photobucket.com

"Jerry, his starfish Sandusky'd."
 
2012-10-09 01:31:06 PM  
www.addictinginfo.org

"Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?"
 
2012-10-09 01:34:40 PM  
Goodbye and good riddance. Not going to wish prison rape on him, though. Just dying alone while he's recognized forever as an infected pimple on the ass of sports history.
 
2012-10-09 01:37:55 PM  

spentmiles: As a child psychologist whose worked some heinous cases, I think the real sadness is not for Sandusky, or his victims, but the victims of his victims. Kids that haven't even been born yet are already standing in line to have one of Sandusky's targets take their psychological scars out on them. I'm not saying that every victim of molestation goes on to molest, but I'd bet heavily that upwards of 90% of them do. The victim becomes the perpatrator, on and on, paving the road to hell with the broken hearts of mothers and fathers.

Sandusky has ruined generations. He's responsible for thousands of future crimes. I don't know what punishment pays that bill, but it surely isn't 30 years on a minimum security cuddle farm.


A thoughtful point. Are there things that can be done for Sandusky's victims, some specialized form of counseling, that would in effect "inoculate" them against the disease they might later perpetrate upon others?? I am ignorant of the feedback cycle here.
For example, if I were on the jury for a sex crime committed by one of his victims, I would be loathe to find that individual guilty if I saw no evidence of extensive reparative therapy being offered to him.

(And yes, 30 years, on paper, is too short. Even if the practical effect would be zero, it should have been one of those "400 year" sentences.)
 
2012-10-09 01:42:32 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: To all those thinking that Sandusky is going to get raped in prison, how do you know he's not going to be doing the raping?


"Hurrrm. None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me."


You know, when I squint he kinda looks like Richard Speck. So maybe he'll end up with moobies and videotaped coke orgies.
 
2012-10-09 02:06:48 PM  
Justice has not been served since Penn State still has a football program. It was their attitude of "football first" that allowed the crime to continue for decades despite numerous eye-witnesses.
 
2012-10-09 02:07:02 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: varmitydog: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x429]

But Graham Spanier isn't going to jail. The man who was in THE key position to put a stop to all this and didn't has just walked away from the scandal, after the flimsiest bit of plausible deniability. And nobody is even talking about him anymore. He's picked up an executive position with a firm that does "consulting" work for the Department of Homeland Security, a government make-work program. That, and the slap on the wrist to the Penn State football program, makes one think that there is a whole lot more to the scandal than just Sandusky

Which is why the entire program should have been shut down.


Indeed, but they are still there, playing on ESPN every week, with Kirk Herbstreit saying what a great story this year's team is after all they've been through.

Because they were the real victims.
 
2012-10-09 02:20:44 PM  

OgreMagi: Justice has not been served since Penn State still has a football program. It was their attitude of "football first" that allowed the crime to continue for decades despite numerous eye-witnesses.


Yep the current students and players deserve to be punished. That's logical
 
2012-10-09 02:21:39 PM  
Jerry Sandusky today (_!_)
Jerry Sandusky tomorrow (_O_)
 
2012-10-09 02:21:41 PM  
30 to 60 seems light, should of been life without parole, but he will probably die before 30 years have come. Rot in jail, scumbag.
 
2012-10-09 02:23:28 PM  

Warlordtrooper: OgreMagi: Justice has not been served since Penn State still has a football program. It was their attitude of "football first" that allowed the crime to continue for decades despite numerous eye-witnesses.

Yep the current students and players deserve to be punished. That's logical


The problem is with the institution. The institution should lose the football program. The students are free to choose another university.
 
2012-10-09 02:30:52 PM  

HAMMERTOE: "Justice" requires returning everything to equilibrium


False premise is false. What dictionary do you use, anyway?
 
2012-10-09 02:35:08 PM  
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-09 02:35:47 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Yep the current students and players deserve to be punished. That's logical


it's a drag for those guys, but they sort of need to be innocent victims. The problem is this: the football program was large enough and powerful enough that they could get boy touching covered up. That doesn't happen with the chess club or the lacrosse team because they don't have that much pull. The culture of "football over just about everything" made this possible, and that structure has to be changed. The program has to be taken down a peg, a BIG peg, to insure that it doesn't have that kind of pull in the future. Unless this follows the Lewin model of "unfreeze, change, refreeze", changes won't take, and more things will slide. It might not be boy touching, but it could well be drug abuse, insane hazing nonsense, or assaults (speculation mine).
 
2012-10-09 02:38:29 PM  
shrug. Paterno should be in a cell with him.
 
2012-10-09 02:43:13 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: varmitydog: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x429]

But Graham Spanier isn't going to jail. The man who was in THE key position to put a stop to all this and didn't has just walked away from the scandal, after the flimsiest bit of plausible deniability. And nobody is even talking about him anymore. He's picked up an executive position with a firm that does "consulting" work for the Department of Homeland Security, a government make-work program. That, and the slap on the wrist to the Penn State football program, makes one think that there is a whole lot more to the scandal than just Sandusky

Which is why the entire program should have been shut down.


Which is why the entire school should have been shut down, all staff fired without compensation, all students turned away without refund, the buildings leveled and the area flattened, the earth salted and the name of the university stricken from all records. Honestlh the entire staff should be branded on the foreheads so all people who meet them in the future will know what taint they have been close to and perceived nothing, did nothing. There should be a black scorch mark where a place of learning used to be with a monument that reads a warning for future generations of what happens when you knowingly or unknowingly harbor a monster.

They are punishing one man, he had a support system that enabled him. It should be burned down.
 
2012-10-09 02:51:36 PM  
For people who think that Jerry Sandusky will be going to a prison with hardened criminals, think again. PA sends all new inmates to a classification center for a few months before transferring them to their "permanent home". During this classification, inmates' security risk is assessed. Non-voilent, elderly inmates are placed in low-security facilities, which while still prisons, are nothing like the ones that house violent offenders. So Sandusky won't have to worry about being gang-raped.
 
2012-10-09 02:53:59 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: HMS_Blinkin: In this monster's case, yes. It's hilarious and well-deserved, actually.

No person deserves to be raped, and our prison system shouldn't be institutionalized vengeance.


That's not true at all. Lots of people deserve to get raped, lots of people deserve to be killed in slow, terrible ways, lots of people deserve lots of things. The problem is that no one has the right to mete out such punishment, including and especially the government. I agree that prison rape should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and if prison employees are complicit or they look the other way they should end up in prison themselves, no matter the circumstances or the despicable nature of the victim. There's nothing inherently contradictory about hoping real slimeballs get raped in prison while also believing prison rape should be stopped.

Having said that, let's be serious: Sandusky isn't getting raped. He's too high profile, the prison authorities can't allow it. Dahmer was an aberration; most of the time, and especially post-Dahmer, famous inmates are not subject to any unlawful abuse.
 
2012-10-09 03:00:08 PM  
Since he could have gotten 400 years... some will say... *sunglasses* ... he got off easy.
 
2012-10-09 03:02:27 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: shrug. Paterno should be in a cell with him.


I guess they could dig him up and stick his rotting corpse on the top bunk.
 
2012-10-09 03:04:16 PM  

Cyclometh: bulldg4life: I figured this was setup for one of those multiple hundred year sentences. Why only 30-60?

Because it's within the standard sentencing range for the crimes he was conicted of?

/just spitballin' here.


He was eligible for something like 400 years.
I'd say he got a light sentence.
 
2012-10-09 03:10:26 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Yep the current students and players deserve to be punished. That's logical


A college education is for learning the readings and geographies and subjects and matriculations and What Not. That our Homeland Higher Education system has become the farm system to the NFL, as well as a billion-dollar sports-entertainment industry in its own right is a sad distraction. If a young man is attending Penn State to play football, he's attending Penn State for the wrong reason. He should go there to learn a professional skill like medicine, law, theology, engineering, or mechanical. He should be learning to be a good citizen and not taking from the poor. He should be learning to be good to a woman who can become his wife, go to church, and raise a family. The football does not teach such things and what not.

For the others who are there because the football program is "YAY!!", again, for the wrong reason they have chosen this school. They should study electrical and engineering and Internet so they can make our world safer. Perhaps television programmings to teach about a good life and learning to teach others to learn and grow. Big Bird and not Jerry Sandusky. The Penn State is a fine college and has always been a fine college. Except that my grandparents both went to Juniata College, although my grandmother could have attended the Penn State, but my grandfather played Baseball, but only until he finished school, then he worked for Remington and Dupont, but not because of baseball, but because he was a good man and working hard, and the Depression, and then a war.

And when someone cries for the young men hurt by the program, or complains that a young women will go to get her teaching certificate but she can't marry an NFL football star from Penn State and what not, then she should not be teaching our youths, but should become a nurse and volunteer in Central America.
 
2012-10-09 03:11:50 PM  

tonguedepressor: AnotherOldFart: tonguedepressor: I'd like to see somebody get him to explain how he isn't guilty of a single count of molestation.

He had 52 counts against him by 10 different victims.

So the whole thing was a giant conspiracy against poor you Jerry and Penn State as part of an elaborate 20 year plan to milk $$ out of a lawsuit, is that what you're claiming Jerry?

What's going on in his mind that he thinks he can get people to believe him?

He has to say he is innocent otherwise they will throw his appeal out. He can't show remorse or guilt for a lessor sentence either. He's in a catch 22 and deserves everything he gets in prison for what he has done.

Do you think he believes his own lies or do you think he's saying "I can beat this, I'm f*cking Jerry Sandusky! It's my word and reputation against 10 ghetto rats."


He probably believes in his own lies (denial). His name is shiat now and I believe (IMHO) he is scared to death at what he is facing - NOT what he did or what others think.
 
2012-10-09 03:17:57 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: A college education is for learning the readings and geographies and subjects and matriculations and What Not...


Wow.... that reminded me of MSTD.
 
2012-10-09 03:19:49 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Even if he did get out, the Penn State fans would run him out of town on a rail after tarring and feathering him.


I thought the Penn State fans were pro child rape? I'm starting to think I can't believe what fark threads tell me.
 
2012-10-09 03:23:45 PM  
Fuggin Bizzy: Rape has never been funny. Ever. 

You had to be there.
 
2012-10-09 03:24:03 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: HMS_Blinkin: In this monster's case, yes. It's hilarious and well-deserved, actually.

No person deserves to be raped, and our prison system shouldn't be institutionalized vengeance.


I agree with you, 99.999998%.

You can guess the other 0.000002%.
 
2012-10-09 03:26:06 PM  

mainstreet62: cgraves67: Am I to understand that it is a 60 year sentence with the possibility of parole after 30 years?

I think he can get released when he's 98, if he makes it that long and/or the Sisters don't get to him first.


By "Sisters", do you mean the periods he's going to start having? Like Aunt Whoever who comes every night?
 
2012-10-09 03:30:07 PM  

wxboy: For those who think 30 years is too short:

If he's still alive when he's 98, he'll most likely go straight to a nursing home and sit in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank, and have no visitors, so he'll die alone and probably senile. Better that the taxpayer doesn't have to put up the additional money to house him. He won't be hurting anyone at 98.

He'd also have to admit guilt to get out that soon. If he's still physically capable of doing anything harmful, he'll probably still be maintaining his innocence like he is now, and thus wouldn't be released.


Assuming he's even allowed in a nursing home, that is; with this bust, he is now a High-Risk Sexual Offender and thus required to be on sex-offender registries, and in Pennsylvania in particular that's going to lead to some interesting complications--same goes if he moves anywhere else.

In Pennsylvania, it's entirely likely Sandusky would be considered a Sexually Violent Predator and thus actually subject to enhanced community notification--that is, the state police gets to put flyers all around the neighbourhood where the nursing home is located that Sandusky is living there and a Sexually Violent Predator and they MIGHT not want to let their kids around--it's entirely possible that most nursing homes outside of a geriatric ward of a mental hospital would consider Sandusky more trouble than he's worth at that point.

(Under the law as it presently stands, Sandusky would have to register at least twice a year if not quarterly, and at minimum would have to register once every 25 years if not for a lifetime basis. He doesn't seem to be on the PA Megan's Law website listing yet, but that's probably because he was just convicted today.)

It also was, up until May 2011, legal for cities to restrict where sex offenders may live (this was overturned by a PA Supreme Court decision)--it's entirely possible by the time he is released there may be a law that passes (Pennsylvania) constitutional muster, which would make things even more potentially difficult. (You'd be surprised how close nursing homes are to schools in some areas.)
 
2012-10-09 03:34:09 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: HAMMERTOE: Call it what you like, but revenge is really what it's all about, regardless of your rationalizations.

It should be about rehabilitation, and absent that, protecting society from those who can't be rehabilitated. Just because a victim can never be returned to their pre-crime status doesn't mean that the criminal should be tossed into the coliseum for our entertainment.


In this case... yes, he should be.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-09 03:34:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Justice has not been served since Penn State still has a football program. It was their attitude of "football first" that allowed the crime to continue for decades despite numerous eye-witnesses.


This problem is bigger than Penn State and bigger than football. Look at the Catholic church and the Air Force basic training scandal.
 
2012-10-09 03:47:41 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: This problem is bigger than Penn State and bigger than football. Look at the Catholic church and the Air Force basic training scandal.


And I think most of us believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant in all of these cases. Structures within all three of these institutions will have to be changed.
 
2012-10-09 03:53:32 PM  

Cyclometh: False premise is false. What dictionary do you use, anyway?


What does a dictionary have to do with any of this?

Just for the sake of argument, let's use the Wikipedia definition: "Justice is a concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, or equity. It is also the act of being just and/or fair"

When a child sets out for school in the morning. "Justice" involves that child returning home that evening, unmolested and safe. not just a child, but anybody , for that matter.

Unfortunately, there are those who seek to dispose of what is "just" and right, in favor of their predilections, their blood-lust. Their desire to impose their will upon the fate of another, detrimentally.

Fast forward to after the act- Somebody is not coming home. Or if they do, they are no longer the same person. Some aspect of their innocence has been ripped from them, permanently damaging their psyche.

Nothing less that "an eye for an eye" is "fair" or "just".

You say you're relieved to live in a society where justice is muted?

I say, if it's muted, it's not "justice".
 
2012-10-09 03:54:33 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: No person deserves to be raped, and our prison system shouldn't be institutionalized vengeance.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you there.

Once a crime has been committed, "Justice" can never be truly served, because true "Justice" requires returning everything to equilibrium, which is entirely impossible. You can never return a true sense of domestic security to somebody whose home has been burgled. You can never "un-rape" a woman to the point that she will totally be unaffected by the experience. And you certainly cannot "un-murder" a person. Therefore, you can not return a family that's been broken by a deliberate inhumane act. Knowing that their loved one suffered, and was in abject terror, while they were powerless to act, will scar them forever. You can make yourself feel better, tossing around sanitized clinical phrases like "closure," but there is never true closure for those affected. Therefore, "justice" is a misnomer. What the victims, their families and society demands is retribution. Yes- "revenge", "vengeance", whatever you want to call it. A victim in a car accident will never be totally whole again, so what does society do? Enact financial vengeance upon anybody connected with the incident who can be found "at fault", even partially, with pockets deep enough to extract some money from. Catch a woman selling sex to survive? Extract a little revenge for not living according to the rules.

Call it what you like, but revenge is really what it's all about, regardless of your rationalizations.


For perpetrators of violent, horrible crimes, I cannot honestly bring myself to care if they get raped. But in this same environment are people who didn't commit violent crimes. Some committed victimless crimes (personal drug-use, possession). Most tragic of all, there are a few people who are completely innocent who are in this prison, it's a fact.

When I think of these people who definitely do not deserve to be raped, I do not think that punishing the victims of violent crime with rape (who might even be the rapers) isn't worth the cost to those who absolutely do not deserve it.

Yes I think Sandusky should be raped. But not at the cost of other people getting raped too.
 
2012-10-09 03:58:05 PM  

vudukungfu: bluorangefyre: Not long enough. There's still a slight chance the farker could get out alive. Why didn't they sentence him to the maximum of 442 years?

Because Pennsylvania is a corrupt state run by a corrupt Government and a corrupt Police force.
Toss in some corrupt businesses, and corrupt schools, and you have DAs dissappearing and kids getting raped and no one sayig anything. I mean look at how they treat their water in that state. Well, they don't.
You have some of the most ignorant folks on the planet living there. They even have their own bastardization of "Y'all" and think fraking will save thier hides, when all it will do is deplete any reserves, pollute their already destroyed streams, and devalue the existing properties.


I live in the DFW area where they have been fraking for years. A few weeks ago we had a 3.something earthquake, which was the first one I personally experienced. Apparently they are getting more common here, and it's connected to fraking.
 
2012-10-09 04:06:11 PM  

chatikh: Yes I think Sandusky should be raped. But not at the cost of other people getting raped too.


This, I agree with. I think that there should be separate prisons for violent offenders and serial predators, and that the more serious crimes should be exempt from plea- bargaining. I also believe that once your debt to society is paid, you are reinstated full constitutional rights again. (No sex offender registry for consensual statutory rape, or unintentional indecent exposure.) I also believe that there should be some commodity that the government has a monopoly on manufacturing, like toilet paper, so that non-violent offenders can earn money to make restitution and defray the costs of their incarceration, and save up for their eventual release.
 
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