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(Big 1059)   "Yes, 9-1-1? Hi. I'm 15, and I just killed my family with a gun. I thought it would be quick and painless for them, but everything kinda went wrong"   (big1059.com) divider line 111
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2012-10-09 01:20:36 PM  
10 votes:
TFA: "Evans had no history of mental illness"

Which, in the US, means "Evans had no history of committing crimes for which mental illness was his defense".
Because that's how we roll in the US. We ignore mental health problems. Particularly among the high functioning.
Care is pretty much unaffordable, so unless you commit a crime, we just cross our fingers and hope the first incident that forces the State to note the problem and pick up the tab isn't a (double) homicide. ... And even then the State will fight to deny the existence of mental health problems by default and downplay future risks, because they don't want to pay for that shiat either.

/ Not to mention a good chunk of the country has a default attitude that any claimed mental health problem that hasn't already resulted in a serious crime is mostly bullshiat.
2012-10-09 01:57:05 PM  
7 votes:

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


Listening to it now, but I think part of her job is to keep things calm. She doesn't know exactly what happened, if the kid is a prankster or serious or thinking about gunning down the officers that are coming in. She gains nothing by starting to call him every name in the book, even if she's thinking it. Also, by talking calmly and asking questions, she got his confession and explanation on tape rather than rile him up and get him all shooty again.
2012-10-09 01:11:33 PM  
7 votes:

Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.


He would have made an excellent CEO if he could have channeled the violence into hurting people in other ways.
2012-10-09 11:49:34 AM  
7 votes:
Just tell him everything's gonna be alright, lock him in solitary, close the vents and light the charcoal...
2012-10-09 01:15:57 PM  
6 votes:
He says he's worried that this will mess him up in the future. Dude, you're old enough to be tried as an adult, and you just committed a double-murder on your own family in the state of Texas. What future you have left involves experiences that will make The Shawshank Redemption look like an episode of Gossip Girl.
2012-10-09 01:11:14 PM  
6 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: Crazy is crazy is crazy.


We're all out there looking for some deeper motive, whatever happened to just being crazy? "Why'd he do it?" "He's crazy!"

media.nj.com
2012-10-09 02:28:22 PM  
5 votes:
Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.
2012-10-09 01:21:24 PM  
5 votes:
Wow, I'm against the death penalty, but I think this kid should be killed right now in the most humane way possible so scientists can study his brain and figure out how such malfunctions occur, how to detect them before they get all shooty, and maybe how to fix them.
2012-10-09 01:13:44 PM  
5 votes:

serial_crusher: SlothB77: Subby ... 17-year-old Jake Evans admitted to shooting his mother and sister to death.

Yeah, talk about things going wrong. Spent a whole 2 years shooting them to death? Hardcore man.


No, he just did it last week. You take 17 and multiply it by .22 (the caliber for the weapon) and then multiply that by 4 (the number of surviving family members, including the shooter) and you get 14.96. They just rounded it to 15.  I know it sounds complicated but that's how it works.
2012-10-09 01:11:28 PM  
5 votes:
Dear Annetta South, Texas Police Department,

Take this kid out of his cell, walk him behind the building, and put, at miniumum, two bullets into his head from 6'-8' away.

Thank you,

Society at Large
2012-10-09 01:34:52 PM  
4 votes:

Myria: Makes me want to cry... =( Some people are just...broken...


First off my condolences to the family - this has to be one of the most heartbreaking and tragic events I could imagine.

This being fark -

Odds are mom and dad knew something was off with Jake and covered for him. This is why you don't do that. Crazy may look soft, shy, and cuddly on the outside but inside it wants to see where the wires are inside you or to kill you "quick and painless" etc. Crazy by nature is crazy, unpredictable, and sometimes violent.

His description of how his sister was "freaking out" and wouldn't hold still for him to shoot her in the head is what reminds me of a youtube clip of a girl whose father shot her and left her and her sister to die in a motel room and she is sobbing "I'm dying" to the 911 operator it's the most pittiful thing in the world. It kindles a sense of RAGE in me that this fark will be allowed to live untill he is put to death, commited to a mental institution for life, or the real possibility that he will be allowed loose in society in 15 years because he is reformed.

This is why you keep the death penalty. Because Jake is broken, he is beyond fixing. The most you can hope for is that he's got good organs and someone more worthy will get a chance to live.
2012-10-09 01:28:46 PM  
4 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: Guns don't kill people. Bullets fired from guns do.


Bullets fired from guns don't kill people - inadequate tissue perfusion brought on by blood loss from massive trauma kills people.

TMYK [stars]
2012-10-09 01:20:04 PM  
4 votes:
Gated community... father away on "business"... Crazy murdering kid... 2nd sister lives across the street with Grandparents?

All kinds of weird in this story.
2012-10-09 01:18:46 PM  
4 votes:

chevydeuce: Dear Annetta South, Texas Police Department,

Take this kid out of his cell, walk him behind the building, and put, at miniumum, two bullets into his head from 6'-8' away.

Thank you,

Society at Large


No joke. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but I've always believed that in absolutely extraordinary cases of cold-blooded violence, it needs to be swift. This kid, Anders Brevik or however you spell it----people like that, need to be put down.
2012-10-09 01:09:18 PM  
4 votes:
I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death.
2012-10-09 03:44:17 PM  
3 votes:

Befuddled: JohnCarter: Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

From what I've been told, Miranda happens when you get arrested. The cops can question you for hours and as long as you haven't been arrested, the cops don't have to tell you anything about your rights and everything you say is 100% admissible.


===========

Arrested or not, the cops can question you all they want, and you don't have to answer. If they don't arrest you, neither do you have to go with them to the station.

Cops: "We want you to come in for questioning."

Citizen: "No"

Cops: "Pretty please."

Citizen: "No."

Cops: "OK, you're under arrest! Now talk!"

Citizen: "No."

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE.  It's the first thing a lawyer will tell you.
2012-10-09 02:18:15 PM  
3 votes:
I live in Texas, and I'm surrounded by... well, you people, apparently, so way to go.

Being against the death penalty means you're against the death penalty. There's no "unless", there's no "except". If you aren't willing to, if necessary, pay for the care and treatment of someone like this for the remainder of their natural life, you need to shut the fark up about your principles.

/against the death penalty
2012-10-09 02:04:20 PM  
3 votes:

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


She's probably a mother, and she realizes the kid is out of his farking gourd and knows he's in pain. And the natural instinct of any mother is going to be to try to comfort a kid in that situation. She's also trained to keep the caller on the line, and to form enough of a bond that the caller will comply with her directions -- that's a pretty critical skill if you're trying to make sure the person calling doesn't freak out and miss an opportunity to provide medical care to any injured on site. That's going to be hard to turn off, even when the caller is a murdering shiathead. And she's also there to try to keep him calm and from killing himself or any police/EMS that show up.
bow
2012-10-09 01:20:12 PM  
3 votes:
Reason #167 not to have kids: murderous rampage on the family.
2012-10-09 01:19:53 PM  
3 votes:

Modguy: shower_in_my_socks: He says he's worried that this will mess him up in the future. Dude, you're old enough to be tried as an adult, and you just committed a double-murder on your own family in the state of Texas. What future you have left involves experiences that will make The Shawshank Redemption look like an episode of Gossip Girl.

Texas man. More like The Green Mile.


Specifically, the part where the guards conveniently "forget" to douse the sponge.
2012-10-09 01:13:34 PM  
3 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: Crazy is crazy is crazy.

Sociopaths wear some pretty believable masks.


Sociopaths are usually more self serving. You don't get much out of committing a crime you can't possibly get away with. I wonder if he's psychotic.
2012-10-09 01:11:50 PM  
3 votes:
I was told there was nothing left. No reason, no conscience, no understanding; even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong. I met this seventeen-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes.
2012-10-09 01:09:44 PM  
3 votes:
He don't like Mondays?
2012-10-09 12:57:32 PM  
3 votes:
"I just killed my mom and my sister," he said. "I shot them with a .22 revolver."
However, the details didn't end there. Evans went into the shocking factors surrounding the incident.
"I just thought it would be quick, you know," the teen told the dispatcher of the crime, which was committed in Annetta South, Texas. "I didn't want them to feel any pain. That's why I used a gun, but it was like everything went wrong."

Should have used a bigger gun, you psycho nutjob.
2012-10-09 11:43:49 AM  
3 votes:
Sounds a bit sociopathic.
2012-10-09 11:14:57 AM  
3 votes:
All kinds of crazy going on with this kid.
2012-10-09 03:47:27 PM  
2 votes:

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


She kept him calm and on the phone. And therefore not taking the gun across the street to finish off the rest of the family.

She did an excellent job, and needs an award, a raise, and a stiff drink. She earned them.
2012-10-09 02:16:26 PM  
2 votes:

JohnCarter: So - question for all you legal scholars out there...

He basically confesses on tape to the 911 dispatcher. Is that considered admissible in court? Should the operator be reading him his rights and advising him he may need to be quiet? Will a sharp defense attorney be able to get that thrown out along with anything else that comes from that subsequent search as a direct result of the 911 call (guns, bullets, etc)

Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

Texas lawyers, what say you?


Well from my understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn), the Miranda rules only apply to confessing while under interrogation. Anything you manage to do to incriminate yourself is pretty much fair game (within the limits of what is admissible in court.)

The Miranda rules are in place for when the cops would have nothing on you except for your own testimony. (Thus why the fifth amendment applies.) In this case, the accused was not speaking to a police officer, he was talking to a 911 dispatcher. And her testimony is still perfectly admissible because it can hardly be said she coerced him into confessing after HE called HER.
2012-10-09 01:58:39 PM  
2 votes:
Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.
2012-10-09 01:48:24 PM  
2 votes:
If only more guns had been easily accessible in this household (behind the microwave, under the sink, between the seat cushions, inside a meatball grinder) this tragedy would have easily been averted. Thanks Fartb0ngo.
2012-10-09 01:44:48 PM  
2 votes:
He also explained that his family was suffocating him

I'm sure he'll enjoy prison, then
2012-10-09 01:29:25 PM  
2 votes:
Waiting for the usual round of "Yeah, we knew he was weird, but we didn't do anything" and "We thought about getting him help, but then he was expelled to another school so it wasn't our problem anymore."

This is Texax, so the answer is that the mom and sister should have had a pistol holstered on them at all times in the house, and not that we should have better healthcare in this country to catch this shiat and deal with it before people die.
2012-10-09 01:25:54 PM  
2 votes:
well... it's strange how things have changed.

in the 90s, I remember the common sentiment that it's horrible time to raise a child because the world is so crazy and they'll suffer so much from this crazy world (see "The Rock" for more info).

now, I'm absolutely more frightened of the children. kids are killing parents and strangers, and pretty much anyone they can find. for no predictable reason (I'm sure there's a reason, but it doesn't help if the reason can't be reliably cured before the murder spree).

/ well, the bible did get one thing right, children are born evil.
2012-10-09 01:25:45 PM  
2 votes:

Straight to doom: Damnit. Why can't my state act mature for once.


If it wasn't for Texas and Florida, Fark wouldn't exist.
2012-10-09 01:17:12 PM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: He says he's worried that this will mess him up in the future. Dude, you're old enough to be tried as an adult, and you just committed a double-murder on your own family in the state of Texas. What future you have left involves experiences that will make The Shawshank Redemption look like an episode of Gossip Girl.


a short drop with a long fall at the end?
2012-10-09 01:16:42 PM  
2 votes:
The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

Interesting line. He either has clarity enough to understand he's screwed up big time and will face ramifications from it, or he already knows he's not going to get any real punishment. Sorta' confused, but sorta' intrigued at the same time. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
2012-10-09 01:15:34 PM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: I wonder how much that photo looks like his appearance prior to the crime, because I'm pretty sure I would have had some suspicions about that kid.


Yeah, but that's the look of "Oh shiat, I didn't think my cunning plan all the way through", you know? He doesn't care that he killed them; it's just whatever the interrogator had said to him about how he will spend the rest of his miserable life that's running over and over in that farked up brain of his.
2012-10-09 01:12:58 PM  
2 votes:
More Florida than Scary.
2012-10-09 01:08:47 PM  
2 votes:
Police don't currently have a motive for the murders, as Evans had no history of mental illness or substance abuse. In fact, the young man even told the dispatcher that he wasn't angry with his mother or his sister.

Crazy is crazy is crazy.

Sociopaths wear some pretty believable masks.
2012-10-09 01:06:58 PM  
2 votes:
Naturally, the community was shocked.
2012-10-09 11:50:57 AM  
2 votes:
Subby ... 17-year-old Jake Evans admitted to shooting his mother and sister to death.

The teenager also has two other sisters who were unharmed in the incident - one who is away at college and another who lives across the street from the family home with his [sic] grandparents. His father, who also lived in the upscale home in a gated community, was away on business at the time.


well, this family is gonna be messed up for a while.
2012-10-09 04:36:35 PM  
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: pute kisses like a man: a miranda warning is required before a custodial interrogation. they must have you in custody and there must be an interrogation.

custody is difficult to define, but think of it this way, you feel like you can't leave the officers presence. interrogation is also difficult to define, but basically, are they seeking testimony?

so, say you're in the cop car, and no one is talking. obviously, you are in custody, but there's no interrogation. then you say, "man, i killed her. that girl really needed a killing."

probably admissible. but, then the cops should stop you and say, "whoa, here's you miranda rights," and then let you keep talking. this is the hear it first, mirandize after method. they should miranize before asking any questions, since they would then be seeking testimony.

Well, it's obviously required before an interrogation, but it's usually done when custody is established, right? In that situation, it seems like it could make a difference in admissibility if they'd been Mirandized before or after they said that. Seems like if the cop is going by-the-book and wants to maximize evidence, they'd do it as soon as possible? Am I wrong? (Seriously, I'm just guessing here)


technically, the miranda warning is not constitutionally required until the custodial interrogation (wherever/whenever that may be). it's a two prong test. custody and interrogation.

So, if there has been no warning but you have custody and everyone is silent (no interrogation), then the bad guy says, "I did it, I killed her!" that should be admissible. it was voluntary, presumably, and not at the behest of interrogation.

However, the cop should mirandize immediately or forfeit the evidence to come as inadmissible.

that's why cops want to get miranda out of the way when it's not relevant, and no one is thinking of the damage they are doing to themselves.

/ I don't know this stuff in detail, and I'm just shooting from the hip from studying it like crazy over the summer, and quickly forgetting almost all of it
2012-10-09 04:32:30 PM  
1 votes:

daveinsurgent: And what does the fact they lived in a gated, upscale community have to do with anything? Does that change the tragedy somehow?


Just makes it more newsworthy. If they were black and living in the ghetto, it would probably just be written off as another day in the 'hood... that might make page 5 of the metro section. White kid from the burbs going postal? That's front page news.
2012-10-09 04:30:51 PM  
1 votes:

serial_crusher:
I wonder how much that photo looks like his appearance prior to the crime, because I'm pretty sure I would have had some suspicions about that kid.


Sure you would, that isn't an answer. The problem is, people will have those same suspicions about 100 people for every one that actually turns out to be a sociopath. And even then, you'll miss most of the actual sociopaths who don't show the particular tells you're catching.

The tells people see are usually just symptoms of poor social adjustment, and catches geeky anti-social people in its net as well as the dangerous ones. I spent years wondering because of those symptoms and cruel things people said about me that I overheard. But while I'm totally comfortable thinking thoughts "normal" people seem to find unthinkable, my conscience works just fine...and that's what counts.

The very best sociopaths don't show any tells at all. They become successful lawyers, politicians and CEOs, and only through long observation can an expert tell they're stone cold inside. Jerry Sandusky is an excellent example.
2012-10-09 04:30:48 PM  
1 votes:
His family said he was "evil"? Wow, really? Maybe so, don't ya think? This kid is the epitome of a psychopath.
2012-10-09 04:20:55 PM  
1 votes:
Seems a little rough to post the name of the family and the recording. The remaining sisters are identifiable and know that most people have heard the details of the murder. Also, minor? What? And what does the fact they lived in a gated, upscale community have to do with anything? Does that change the tragedy somehow?

Does anyone else know someone like this kid, too? This guy in high school was creepy as hell. Always a vacant, empty stare, had summer jobs every year killing minks or something like that. He always spoke with kind of a reserved, "memorization" of what social conventions were, or what it meant to say, empathize with someone. He'd frequently make statements that showed a total lack of understanding as to why we don't hurt people or steal, etc. - every time I see a picture of im on Facebook or something I think how happy I am that my family is nowhere near him now.
2012-10-09 04:20:42 PM  
1 votes:
THIS 911 CALL WAS 20 MINUTES LONG. WHAT THE fark

Yeah hi there was a homicide... Yeah whatever we will be there WHENEVER THE fark WE WANT. Even in Sim City 2000 a 20 minute response time would have been unacceptable.
2012-10-09 04:16:16 PM  
1 votes:
i mean... i guess glass half full is that this kid might only kill 2 people in his lifetime? sounds like for this kid, that might have been about as low as could be expected.
2012-10-09 04:11:48 PM  
1 votes:
I wouldn't be surprised if he did not suffer from undiagnosed Aspergers.

He lacked any real sympathy for his victims, yes he did not want them physically hurt but he had no feelings upon ending their life. I predict his mind goes something like this.

Everybody dies someday.
I want to kill someone
so what is the difference between me killing them and them dying later? It was not something that aids him just a matter of fact thing. No different to him wanting a glass of milk.
2012-10-09 04:07:38 PM  
1 votes:

nmemkha: Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.

He would have made an excellent CEO if he could have channeled the violence into hurting people in other ways.


Wow, this is...hmmm. There's too much truth in this statement. Hold me.
2012-10-09 04:05:51 PM  
1 votes:

Mark Ratner: Should have used a bigger gun, you psycho nutjob.


But, it's supposed to be a magic death stick. It goes bang and people just fall over.

Kid's got some serious undiagnosed problems going on. What's the over/under on him being found not competent to stand trial?
2012-10-09 03:56:05 PM  
1 votes:

the_geek: pute kisses like a man: now, I'm absolutely more frightened of the children. kids are killing parents and strangers, and pretty much anyone they can find. for no predictable reason (I'm sure there's a reason, but it doesn't help if the reason can't be reliably cured before the murder spree).

/ well, the bible did get one thing right, children are born evil.

Check youtube for the 'war on children.' Children are not born evil they are blank slates. They might have certain biological tendencies but we create and encourage psychopathic tendencies in children with how we treat them today.


take your tabula rosa out of my tabula... dogma! (oh man... i should have studied some latin, maybe then I could have made a joke)

personally, i question whether there is any evil. my slashie was a joke. however, i don't think that the default is a good person. i think it takes experience to grow into compassion.
2012-10-09 03:55:25 PM  
1 votes:

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


I work in dispatch, and the easiest way to get someone to hang up on you is to start yelling and freaking out and accusing them of things. If you stay calm, keep an even tone to your voice, and empathize with the caller, they are much more likely to remain calm as well.

We are taught that if you start getting upset in a situation like this (where someone is confessing to something over the phone and no officers have arrived yet) you will make the assailant feel like they are doomed, and that the full wrath of hell is about to rain down on them, so they will just off themselves before the cops can do it for them.

The safety of those in the vicinity of the psycho is the main concern for a dispatcher. If someone called me in this situation, I would probably be waving my arms and motioning for everyone else in the office to get to my desk immediately to hear this crazy s&*^ that's going down, but the person on the other line needs to feel like they are your immediate focus at that moment, and that you can understand their situation, and you don't want any harm to come to them.
2012-10-09 03:49:59 PM  
1 votes:

Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid


I doubt it. When he said, "I've been thinking about killing someone for awhile" that shows VERY clear premeditation.
2012-10-09 03:48:20 PM  
1 votes:

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted


Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

www.travel-golf.org

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid
2012-10-09 03:34:54 PM  
1 votes:

evaned: Also interesting with regard to the 911 call admissibility: Arizona (who else?) was discussing a bill that would make 911 takes inadmissible. The reasoning was that someone who shot another in self defense might feel more open to call 911 to report it and request medical help if they didn't have to worry about prosecution based on what they said.

I'm not sure I buy the argument (meaning think the pros outweigh the cons), but I do think it could be interesting discussion if knew more about the topic.


Terrible terrible idea. Imagine someone calls 911 during the commission of a robbery or the like, says identifying or otherwise interesting thing about the perpetrators, is killed before police arrive. An in-progress call like that can give the exact play-by-play of how a situation unfolded.

Now, maybe making confessions given over 911 inadmissible, maybe. All tapes though? Arizona-tier idea.
2012-10-09 03:30:52 PM  
1 votes:
Wow.

I have to say I am blown away by the performance of the 911 operator. I know they get trained for this, but it takes a certain kind of person to handle a situation like this as coolly and compassionately as she did. I can not imagine the type of effect that must have on the way you perceive the rest of the world. There is no going home from that kind of work.
2012-10-09 03:30:13 PM  
1 votes:
"The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

Ya think?
2012-10-09 03:24:14 PM  
1 votes:

pute kisses like a man: now, I'm absolutely more frightened of the children. kids are killing parents and strangers, and pretty much anyone they can find. for no predictable reason (I'm sure there's a reason, but it doesn't help if the reason can't be reliably cured before the murder spree).

/ well, the bible did get one thing right, children are born evil.


Check youtube for the 'war on children.' Children are not born evil they are blank slates. They might have certain biological tendencies but we create and encourage psychopathic tendencies in children with how we treat them today.
2012-10-09 03:21:46 PM  
1 votes:

Befuddled: From what I've been told, Miranda happens when you get arrested. The cops can question you for hours and as long as you haven't been arrested, the cops don't have to tell you anything about your rights and everything you say is 100% admissible.


You have to be in a custodial setting, though not necessarily under arrest. If a reasonable person would believe they are being detained by the state you're in a custodial setting. But he called 911 from home apparently of his own will, so his admission there would not be protected.

Also bear in mind he's a minor (though for some reason we'll pretend he's an adult with respect to punishment, even though we didn't let him vote or move away from his parents) so he cannot legally consent to anything or waive any rights whether he had been arrested and/or mirandized or not. But again, not really applicable to his call to 911.
2012-10-09 03:16:13 PM  
1 votes:

blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????


Welcome to the future!
2012-10-09 03:11:40 PM  
1 votes:

Eirik: BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.

Listening to it now, but I think part of her job is to keep things calm. She doesn't know exactly what happened, if the kid is a prankster or serious or thinking about gunning down the officers that are coming in. She gains nothing by starting to call him every name in the book, even if she's thinking it. Also, by talking calmly and asking questions, she got his confession and explanation on tape rather than rile him up and get him all shooty again.


Very true: Just was surreal hearing him vocally flatline about murdering his mom and sister, and then the 911 operator calling him sweetie - but yeah - if you can make sure the cops can cuff him before anyone else gets hurt, that's what's gotta happen.
2012-10-09 03:11:12 PM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: 99.998er: Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.

I have compassion for his family, of course. But why would I have compassion for him? He's a sociopath. He wouldn't even care if you have compassion for him.


I wouldn't say you should have compassion for him because no matter what he made a horrible choice and did a horrible thing. However, you might want to consider that there might be more going on than just a random kid deciding to shoot his mother and sister. For all you know his dad has been raping him and his sisters their entire lives, and his goal was to kill his mom for allowing it to go on and end his sisters suffering at his fathers hand. Or something else similarly horrible may have been going on. The point being to reserve final judgement in your mind until you have more information.
2012-10-09 03:08:21 PM  
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BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


You have to figure that in the time between him killing and the police getting there you want to keep him as calm as possible and in one place. The kid just shot his family to death with no apparent motive. It might be a bit hasty to be anything but extremely polite until he's in custody. There's no telling if he might suddenly decide to pick the gun back up and take a stroll to the neighbors house or something.
2012-10-09 02:56:30 PM  
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Crewmannumber6: DittoToo: Assuming that a total ban of firearms in the US would come in phases, i.e. first they came for the AR-15 but I said nothing because I did not have an AR-15, the .22 revolver would be one of the last to go.

Something just like this happened in my highschool twenty years ago except that kid used a knife. Cut the girls head off...

Last week there was an escaped prisoner loose in my neighborhood (nowhere near a prison) so I got my shotgun out of my gun safe. My kids didn't even know I had a gun safe. I explained to them when someone is where they're not supposed to be, the sound of a shotgun racking is the last thing they want to hear.

/you can't have my shotgun


This reminds me of my father in law. His retirement plan is to spend winters sailing around the Caribbean, and he bought a new 12-gauge to keep for personal defense. He said that while it takes up more space than a pistol, the sound of the racking is a warning that can be understood by everyone in the world no matter what language they speak.

/Glad he likes me
2012-10-09 02:52:30 PM  
1 votes:

DittoToo: Assuming that a total ban of firearms in the US would come in phases, i.e. first they came for the AR-15 but I said nothing because I did not have an AR-15, the .22 revolver would be one of the last to go.

Something just like this happened in my highschool twenty years ago except that kid used a knife. Cut the girls head off...


Last week there was an escaped prisoner loose in my neighborhood (nowhere near a prison) so I got my shotgun out of my gun safe. My kids didn't even know I had a gun safe. I explained to them when someone is where they're not supposed to be, the sound of a shotgun racking is the last thing they want to hear.

/you can't have my shotgun
2012-10-09 02:48:32 PM  
1 votes:

FuturePastNow: That's about the right age for him to turn schizo, isn't it?


I was wondering the same thing. That is a horrible malfunction.
2012-10-09 02:46:47 PM  
1 votes:

ringersol: / Not to mention a good chunk of the country has a default attitude that any claimed mental health problem that hasn't already resulted in a serious crime is mostly bullshiat.


You forgot "seeking help for any mental health problem will be construed as evidence that you're about to commit a crime over it so you should be immediately fired and stigmatized."

Why Would I Read the Article: borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death

Which is why from now on all movie death scenes need to be done like this one from Turkey.


Link


Wow, thank you for brightening up my morning immensely! I can hardly stop laughing over that.
2012-10-09 02:39:00 PM  
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Evil Twin Skippy: JohnCarter: So - question for all you legal scholars out there...

He basically confesses on tape to the 911 dispatcher. Is that considered admissible in court? Should the operator be reading him his rights and advising him he may need to be quiet? Will a sharp defense attorney be able to get that thrown out along with anything else that comes from that subsequent search as a direct result of the 911 call (guns, bullets, etc)

Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

Texas lawyers, what say you?

Well from my understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn), the Miranda rules only apply to confessing while under interrogation. Anything you manage to do to incriminate yourself is pretty much fair game (within the limits of what is admissible in court.)

The Miranda rules are in place for when the cops would have nothing on you except for your own testimony. (Thus why the fifth amendment applies.) In this case, the accused was not speaking to a police officer, he was talking to a 911 dispatcher. And her testimony is still perfectly admissible because it can hardly be said she coerced him into confessing after HE called HER.


IANAL either, but I think it's done whenever someone's taken into custody. Doesn't have to be during interrogation specifically. Now, there's still the whole 'excited utterance' type thing. If you're shouting, "I killed them all," at the top of your lungs with the police arrive, you don't get to have it thrown out.

Think about it for a sec. If it was the way JohnCarter thinks, it would be hard to convict someone who turned themselves in. Walk into station, confess to crime, go "ahaha, didn't Mirandize me first" - doesn't work that way.
2012-10-09 02:35:08 PM  
1 votes:

Droog8912: othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.

The second blonde from the left is smoking, imo.

Also, Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

This. A .22 is certainly deadly, but it ain't exactly going to be quick.


A .22 pistol is an excellent execution weapon as the round is usually only able to penetrate the skull once. The bullet uses up its kinetic energy by bouncing around through the victim's brain.
2012-10-09 02:34:49 PM  
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jaylectricity: Launch Code: Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON?

Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.


/I see what you did there
2012-10-09 02:28:27 PM  
1 votes:

Masquerader317: Crewmannumber6: Naturally, the community was shocked.

What? You want them to say, "Yeah, saw that one coming a mile away..."?


Actually, yes. For once I would like for the community to be honest with themselves and admit that they knew there was something weird about that family for a long time now.
2012-10-09 02:28:10 PM  
1 votes:
He is special because he is human and all human life is better and more important than any other life on this planet so we must protect and cherish it by humanely locking him in a cell for the rest of his life.

Or, we could just shoot him back. Sort of glad this happened in Texas, he's pretty likely to get ended.

We've got enough people. We don't need to keep the defective ones.
2012-10-09 02:28:06 PM  
1 votes:

othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.


The second blonde from the left is smoking, imo.

Also,

Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.


This. A .22 is certainly deadly, but it ain't exactly going to be quick.
2012-10-09 02:21:49 PM  
1 votes:
Why does that family photo look like a hostage situation?
2012-10-09 02:18:36 PM  
1 votes:
Okay, that's it. Check please. I'm done with people.

/some allergies
2012-10-09 02:15:58 PM  
1 votes:

othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.


Imagine being the only, and homely, boy in that family. Imagine the amount of "we don't give a fark about you" he could've taken, year after year, until he finally just shot them in the face. He sounds completely disassociated in the call - not sociopathic, but truly disconnected from both the act and himself. He sounds like a walking case of depersonalization disorder. We don't know what happened - we just know what's in the article, and it's horrible.
2012-10-09 02:13:15 PM  
1 votes:
As his basis for wanting to commit murder, Evans ironically said that he didn't like the negative attitudes people generally have. He also explained that his family was suffocating him and then said that he is "evil."

Hmmm...not sure how they could have gotten that idea.

The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

Since this happened in Texas, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest "not for long it won't."
2012-10-09 02:10:54 PM  
1 votes:

JohnCarter: He basically confesses on tape to the 911 dispatcher. Is that considered admissible in court? Should the operator be reading him his rights and advising him he may need to be quiet? Will a sharp defense attorney be able to get that thrown out along with anything else that comes from that subsequent search as a direct result of the 911 call (guns, bullets, etc)


Yes, the audio, the transcribed call, and her notes from the call are all admissible.

No, 911 calls aren't custodial interrogations.

No, all of that would be admissible, too, assuming no independent defect.
2012-10-09 02:07:41 PM  
1 votes:
So - question for all you legal scholars out there...

He basically confesses on tape to the 911 dispatcher. Is that considered admissible in court? Should the operator be reading him his rights and advising him he may need to be quiet? Will a sharp defense attorney be able to get that thrown out along with anything else that comes from that subsequent search as a direct result of the 911 call (guns, bullets, etc)

Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

Texas lawyers, what say you?
2012-10-09 02:01:35 PM  
1 votes:
My cousin: Completely stable, normal, happy etc.. One day went to some garage sales with my Aunt. At the end of the day, he said goodbye to my Aunt and went home. Later, he flipped out, tried to run over his wife, went back to one of the Garage Sales, entered the home, found a gun, told the home owner he didn't know what to do. The home owner called the police, there was a stand off, Frankie lifted the gun and fired when they told him to drop it, and the Police shot him dead.

We (the whole family) have no idea what happened. Never saw that coming. Never would have guessed in a million years that this would have involved my cousin.
2012-10-09 01:59:23 PM  
1 votes:
i1253.photobucket.com
It's always the guns fault to the uber lib. Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON? It's not the tool, it's the whack job/thug pulling the trigger.
2012-10-09 01:55:21 PM  
1 votes:
Try him as an adult, give him death.

There is a story below about how Sandusky was sentenced today for raping a bunch of little boys. This kid ended the lives of his sister and mother in cold blood, convict him as an adult and execute him.
2012-10-09 01:54:59 PM  
1 votes:
I think this is going to really mess him up in the future.
2012-10-09 01:52:58 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: Some 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiast kills his family?

Not news.

Happens every week in the US.

/ White people problems


8/10 because I bit and had this typed up inside of a min.

RTFA and if you're going to point a finger point it at the lack of give a fark on the part of the psycho. If there wasn't a gun it would have been a bat or a knife or a golfclub.

Crazy finds a way
2012-10-09 01:52:52 PM  
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ElLoco: nmemkha: I'm sure Texas will eventually 'inject a little sense' into the boy.

If by 'inject,' you mean 'hit in the side of the head with a roofing hammer'... then yea, I'm ok with that.


There is no death penalty or even life without parole allowed anymore for juvenile killers. The Supreme Court nixed both, one in I think 2005, and the other last term. They can sentence him to life in prison, but they do have to at least allow for the possibility of parole in the future. Think Charles Manson.
2012-10-09 01:50:24 PM  
1 votes:
Death Penalty sure comes in handy here.

/don't give a shiat about his age
//or whether he's crazy
2012-10-09 01:49:39 PM  
1 votes:
assets.nydailynews.com


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.
2012-10-09 01:46:14 PM  
1 votes:

freewill: CapeFearCadaver: Crazy is crazy is crazy.

We're all out there looking for some deeper motive, whatever happened to just being crazy? "Why'd he do it?" "He's crazy!"

[media.nj.com image 380x268]


Fun with cheezburger!

i.chzbgr.com
2012-10-09 01:42:01 PM  
1 votes:
That's about the right age for him to turn schizo, isn't it?
2012-10-09 01:41:15 PM  
1 votes:

youmightberight: Myria: Makes me want to cry... =( Some people are just...broken...

First off my condolences to the family - this has to be one of the most heartbreaking and tragic events I could imagine.

This being fark -

Odds are mom and dad knew something was off with Jake and covered for him. This is why you don't do that. Crazy may look soft, shy, and cuddly on the outside but inside it wants to see where the wires are inside you or to kill you "quick and painless" etc. Crazy by nature is crazy, unpredictable, and sometimes violent.

His description of how his sister was "freaking out" and wouldn't hold still for him to shoot her in the head is what reminds me of a youtube clip of a girl whose father shot her and left her and her sister to die in a motel room and she is sobbing "I'm dying" to the 911 operator it's the most pittiful thing in the world. It kindles a sense of RAGE in me that this fark will be allowed to live untill he is put to death, commited to a mental institution for life, or the real possibility that he will be allowed loose in society in 15 years because he is reformed.

This is why you keep the death penalty. Because Jake is broken, he is beyond fixing. The most you can hope for is that he's got good organs and someone more worthy will get a chance to live.


Men (or boys in this case) get arrested. Dogs get put down.

Learn what you can from this organism, then end him and harvest what you can from him.
2012-10-09 01:40:10 PM  
1 votes:

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


I didn't listen, but what would you suggest? Would yelling at the kind help anything? Better to play friend and make the cops' jobs easier.
2012-10-09 01:35:18 PM  
1 votes:
Why did it take cops almost 30 minutes to get there? Too busy eating doughnuts, tazing old ladies or shooting pets?
2012-10-09 01:34:11 PM  
1 votes:

doglover: Just tell him everything's gonna be alright, lock him in solitary, close the vents and light the charcoal...



I'm inclined to agree with you on this one.
2012-10-09 01:34:03 PM  
1 votes:
metropolis.co.jp
At least he didn't use a Bow and Arrows...
2012-10-09 01:28:18 PM  
1 votes:

dragonchild: I was told there was nothing left. No reason, no conscience, no understanding; even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong. I met this seventeen-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes.


www.wearysloth.com
2012-10-09 01:25:56 PM  
1 votes:

Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.


Ya think?
2012-10-09 01:25:42 PM  
1 votes:
The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.
2012-10-09 01:21:18 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure Texas will eventually 'inject a little sense' into the boy.
2012-10-09 01:20:32 PM  
1 votes:
Lock him up with Sandusky.
2012-10-09 01:19:11 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: He says he's worried that this will mess him up in the future. Dude, you're old enough to be tried as an adult, and you just committed a double-murder on your own family in the state of Texas. What future you have left involves experiences that will make The Shawshank Redemption look like an episode of Gossip Girl.


Texas man. More like The Green Mile.
2012-10-09 01:17:54 PM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: Naturally, the community was shocked.


What? You want them to say, "Yeah, saw that one coming a mile away..."?
2012-10-09 01:12:37 PM  
1 votes:
The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????
2012-10-09 01:11:53 PM  
1 votes:

borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death.


I remember valve once saying something like this back when TF2 had a realistic theme. No one makes realistic war games because it's not fun to get gutshot, and have your character roll around screaming for the next six hours till he goes into shock and dies.
2012-10-09 01:09:57 PM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: Naturally, the community was shocked.


boards.adultswim.com

Erhmm, naturally, naturally.
2012-10-09 01:09:49 PM  
1 votes:
I blame the Adderall.
2012-10-09 01:06:49 PM  
1 votes:
Makes me want to cry... =( Some people are just...broken...
wee
2012-10-09 12:54:47 PM  
1 votes:
Mulch the little farker.
2012-10-09 12:30:59 PM  
1 votes:

Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.


Just a smidge.
2012-10-09 12:24:11 PM  
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SlothB77: Subby ... 17-year-old Jake Evans admitted to shooting his mother and sister to death.


Yeah, talk about things going wrong. Spent a whole 2 years shooting them to death? Hardcore man.
2012-10-09 11:25:29 AM  
1 votes:
Guns don't kill people. Bullets fired from guns do.
 
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