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2012-10-09 06:47:08 PM  
Dispatcher: "Are you sure they're dead?"

Caller: "Hang on... [sound of gunshots] Yeah, they're definitely dead."
 
2012-10-09 06:53:30 PM  

borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death.


I blame the parents for not recognizing that their child was a farking maniac and keeping the guns locked up. Either that or institutionalizing him right away once the pets started disappearing and turning up dead in the yard.
 
2012-10-09 06:56:39 PM  

Sword and Shield: I worked a while in inpatient child psych when I was in medical school, and there are times you just know the person in front of you will kill someone someday. It's hard to describe, but the severe antisocial personality disorder cases, the severe intermittent explosive disorder cases, have a distinct look.


It's the eyes. Dead eyes.

/someone'll finish this for me, I'm sure...
//but really, no one's home in dem dar eyes
 
2012-10-09 07:03:59 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Sword and Shield: I worked a while in inpatient child psych when I was in medical school, and there are times you just know the person in front of you will kill someone someday. It's hard to describe, but the severe antisocial personality disorder cases, the severe intermittent explosive disorder cases, have a distinct look.

It's the eyes. Dead eyes.

/someone'll finish this for me, I'm sure...
//but really, no one's home in dem dar eyes


My wife works as a special ed teacher and deals specifically with Emotionally Disturbed Children. She's usually got about 5 or 6 of these future inmates in her class. One 8 year old tried to stab her in the neck with a pencil.

/Why yes, she did get her salary cut along with the rest of the State's teachers. It's because being a teacher is so easy though right?
 
2012-10-09 07:06:30 PM  

Skyrmion: Dispatcher: "Are you sure they're dead?"

Caller: "Hang on... [sound of gunshots] Yeah, they're definitely dead."


I really shouldn't have laughed at that...
 
2012-10-09 07:20:01 PM  
I'm not blaming the shooting on American gun culture. What I can't believe is that this wasn't major national news from the moment it occurred. That's the problem with American gun culture. Lunatics will always kill people, and if it's not guns they're using it's something else. But why the hell isn't this a massive drama receiving massive attention? American gun culture is the reason for this.

Before I get shot down (poor pun) by pro-gun farkers like happens every time I make this point, I repeat: I'm not blaming gun culture for the killings (lunacy happens in any large population), I'm just seriously alarmed that we're reading about it on some pissy Miami rock station news page days after the event. In any other country, it would be front-page national news from day one. That's really farked.
 
2012-10-09 07:22:03 PM  
The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

ya think?????
 
2012-10-09 07:27:36 PM  
Incredible. No emotion at all. Like he's describing the weather to a person on the phone. No tears, no shouting, no emotion. Scary stuff. His statement of "i dont like rude "verbally" people " reminded me of Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. He told his sister "to stay still and it will go away", I'm guessing he was talking about the pain of being shot. Then he shot her in the head. Total sociopath, and incredible to hear one right after the murders.
 
2012-10-09 07:41:21 PM  

gadian: This is why I will always support the death penalty even if I'm a libby lib. Some people are broken and they can never be fixed. Keeping them in prison or a hospital for the next, oh 80 years may protect society, but is really cruel to the person who has been told by doctors that they will never be normal, can never be released because they can't be fixed, and can never see the outside. Aside from that, the costs are enormous, but that honestly doesn't play much into my opinion. I am concerned about the quality of life. If there is no quality, execution / euthanasia seems like a good alternative.


You'd probably have a different opinion if it was YOU on death row.

Gyrfalcon: Skyrmion: Dispatcher: "Are you sure they're dead?"
Caller: "Hang on... [sound of gunshots] Yeah, they're definitely dead."
I really shouldn't have laughed at that...


Me neither. And it's not even an original joke.
 
2012-10-09 07:51:39 PM  

blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????


Yeah. He's worried colleges might not accept him.
 
2012-10-09 08:12:44 PM  

depmode98: The reason why this happened is because the scarcity of guns in the house. If every family member owned a gun, this would never have happened. The fewer guns there are, the more people die.


Sure, because we know that properly trained people never make mistakes, good guys always shoot straight and bullets only kill the bad guy. Just ask these guys...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-retired-de t ective-fatally-shoots-son-after-mistaking-him-for-intruder-20121009,0, 2772733.story
 
2012-10-09 08:18:05 PM  

clyph: daveinsurgent: And what does the fact they lived in a gated, upscale community have to do with anything? Does that change the tragedy somehow?

Just makes it more newsworthy. If they were black and living in the ghetto, it would probably just be written off as another day in the 'hood... that might make page 5 of the metro section. White kid from the burbs going postal? That's front page news.


You'd think so, wouldn't you. But there's no mention of the story on CNN or FoxNews. And it's taken many days to reach Fark. In any other country in the world it would be front page news, sure.
 
2012-10-09 08:19:13 PM  

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It's always the guns fault to the uber lib. Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON? It's not the tool, it's the whack job/thug pulling the trigger.


Oh so now a baseball bat is equivalent to a gun? Great. Then we don't really need guns for anything. Now that everyone agrees guns aren't necessary, we can ban the sale of them. That was easy.
 
2012-10-09 08:29:30 PM  

cryinoutloud: You'd probably have a different opinion if it was YOU on death row.


It doesn't matter. A person that broken and ill has fundamentally and by definition lost the right to self-determination.
 
2012-10-09 08:39:14 PM  

borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death.


Well, the "screaming in agony" bit largely depends on where you've been shot. Depending on adrenaline or shock factors, a person may not even realise they've been seriously injured until woozy from blood loss. My mum took a bullet through the leg in a nasty situation and didn't even know she'd been shot until she had gotten away- she thought she'd been hit by a piece of stone or something. Small calibre bullets will have this sort of effect quite often. Another fellow I know ran a small convenience store and was robbed- he fought them off and chased them away with a knife and then realised he had a bullet in him.
 
2012-10-09 08:56:23 PM  

Sasquach: I need to find a corroborating link.....for some reason, I can't trust a story sourced from Beck...



From Beck?

www.nndb.com

Did he reference this kid in the obscure gibberish-lyrics of one of his songs or something?
 
2012-10-09 08:58:03 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-10-09 09:01:06 PM  

pute kisses like a man:

in the 90s, I remember the common sentiment that it's horrible time to raise a child because the world is so crazy and they'll suffer so much from this crazy world (see "The Rock" for more info).



upload.wikimedia.org

The Rock caused people to put off having kids in the '90s? I don't recall that being part of his wrestling spiel.
 
2012-10-09 09:07:35 PM  

NotSoFunkyPhantom: pute kisses like a man:

in the 90s, I remember the common sentiment that it's horrible time to raise a child because the world is so crazy and they'll suffer so much from this crazy world (see "The Rock" for more info).



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The Rock caused people to put off having kids in the '90s? I don't recall that being part of his wrestling spiel.


Well, if a throw went wrong and you got caught sqaure in the cojones with a knee, I imagine that would delay a man's plans to have kids.
 
2012-10-09 09:23:35 PM  
thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com

The Schofield Kid: [after killing a man for the first time] It don't seem real... how he ain't gonna never breathe again, ever... how he's dead. And the other one too. All on account of pulling a trigger.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

/those old john-wayne-esque movie character archetypes had a basis in reality. killing is temptingly anticipated to be a feeling of control to those who feel they have none (ie teens), and is found out to be anything but.
 
2012-10-09 09:27:44 PM  
Loki has been busy lately...
 
2012-10-09 09:36:03 PM  

Aussie_As: I'm not blaming the shooting on American gun culture. What I can't believe is that this wasn't major national news from the moment it occurred. That's the problem with American gun culture. Lunatics will always kill people, and if it's not guns they're using it's something else. But why the hell isn't this a massive drama receiving massive attention? American gun culture is the reason for this.

Before I get shot down (poor pun) by pro-gun farkers like happens every time I make this point, I repeat: I'm not blaming gun culture for the killings (lunacy happens in any large population), I'm just seriously alarmed that we're reading about it on some pissy Miami rock station news page days after the event. In any other country, it would be front-page national news from day one. That's really farked.


There are over 300,000,000 people in the US. Killings happen EVERY DAY here. The national news would only have time to cover a few of them during their broadcasts.

Plus, the kid only used a .22 and kept it in the family, so there's not much exterior damage and not anything too sensational (like an assault rifle). used.

We've been desensitized to this kind of stuff. "Gun Nuts" are commonly attributed to Texas, but they're everywhere in the US, even where they're not supposed to have them!
 
2012-10-09 09:49:43 PM  

Hawnkee: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

Interesting line. He either has clarity enough to understand he's screwed up big time and will face ramifications from it, or he already knows he's not going to get any real punishment. Sorta' confused, but sorta' intrigued at the same time. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.


Hawnkee: he already knows he's not going to get any real punishment.


Hawnkee: not going to get any real punishment.


You, uh... aren't very familiar with the 28th State, Texas, are you?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-juveniles-us-and-other-coun t ries

Go ahead and peruse how many times the word Texas appears in that list. Spoiler: it's thirteen since 1973, with the last one occurring in 2002.

Frankly, looks like we're about due. Kid shouldn't be worried about his future in that case. Pretty sealed up.
 
2012-10-09 09:51:02 PM  
 
2012-10-09 10:14:56 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Kill them early, before the law allows them to punish you. This kid will walk freely among society once he hits 18, just a ticking bomb waiting to kill more people


Not from Texas he won't.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:35 PM  

ringersol: TFA: "Evans had no history of mental illness"

Which, in the US, means "Evans had no history of committing crimes for which mental illness was his defense".
Because that's how we roll in the US. We ignore mental health problems. Particularly among the high functioning.
Care is pretty much unaffordable, so unless you commit a crime, we just cross our fingers and hope the first incident that forces the State to note the problem and pick up the tab isn't a (double) homicide. ... And even then the State will fight to deny the existence of mental health problems by default and downplay future risks, because they don't want to pay for that shiat either.

/ Not to mention a good chunk of the country has a default attitude that any claimed mental health problem that hasn't already resulted in a serious crime is mostly bullshiat.


I agree that we ignore the mentally ill but when I saw, "Evans had no history of mental illness," I read that as, "We can't tell you anything to make you feel better about this clean-cut white kid killing his family for no reason."
 
2012-10-09 10:23:40 PM  

Deedeemarz: Lost Thought 00: Kill them early, before the law allows them to punish you. This kid will walk freely among society once he hits 18, just a ticking bomb waiting to kill more people

Not from Texas he won't.


Further research yeilds the Supreme Court ruled in 2005 to disallow the execution for crimes committed while a juvenile.

Look for Texas to challenge the juvenile wording with some kind of age of consent angle.

Or to just lock him in an iron box for an indeterminate amount of time.

What's the functional difference between a death sentence and a life sentence? Besides breathing. Even a five year sentence can be a life sentence now days, with how fast society moves, and the fact that you will be unlikely to get a new job or live any kind of functional life again. Felonies and getting put on lists are just score multipliers for the justice system, the person's life is still in ruin.

Guess that's why they have that koan about doing crimes and time, huh?
 
2012-10-09 10:46:08 PM  
Been on Fark longer than 99% of you, but that was the most messed up thing I've experienced in awhile.
 
2012-10-09 10:50:45 PM  

bittermang: What's the functional difference between a death sentence and a life sentence?


Well that one is easy, but it depends on the country. Read on....

1. United States of America: Death sentences cost much more than life imprisonment because of all the vultures and their legal appeals.
2. Islam countries: Death sentence done in five. Minutes.

Sure there are exceptions to these rules, but those are the basics.

Since Fark likes to be offended, notice that there are positives and negatives to both; I'm just stating facts.
 
2012-10-09 11:05:45 PM  

evaned: BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.

I didn't listen, but what would you suggest? Would yelling at the kind help anything? Better to play friend and make the cops' jobs easier.


I was considering looking into a job as a 911 Operator.

I think if I ever got a call like this, there wouldn't be enough alcohol in the world.
 
2012-10-09 11:20:20 PM  
So he'll be executed in 10-20 years and after millions of taxpayer dollars...oh this is justice.
 
2012-10-09 11:25:20 PM  
My opinion: there's abuse in this family. Dad's abusive. The world looks cold, cynical and hopeless from inside that family, especially for women. Better to die than to be part of such a tortured mess. If one is going to die to rescue oneself, what about the others in one's world? They shouldn't have to suffer continuously, should they? Dad's gone. Dad's gone. Go ahead and do it.

He probably knew all along he couldn't kill himself (he's a coward, which is evil).

A very self-contained, proper family gone a little too whacko what with Dad's authoritarian ways and Mom's alternation between submissiveness and batshiatt crazy shopaholic.
 
2012-10-09 11:31:15 PM  

Sword and Shield: Mark Ratner: Michael Myers. The quoter changed his age from 8 to 17. I always liked the next line when Loomis says, "I spent eight years trying to reach him and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil." How did Loomis realize that the Michael was pure evil if all he ever did was stare at a wall in a catatonic state?

I worked a while in inpatient child psych when I was in medical school, and there are times you just know the person in front of you will kill someone someday. It's hard to describe, but the severe antisocial personality disorder cases, the severe intermittent explosive disorder cases, have a distinct look.


My family and I know another family who has sOn that scares me. Since childhood he's been obsessed with swords and knifes. Not a big deal but factor in he has mental instability and now as a teen he cannot go to school because he's been kicked out of too many. He's uncontrollable and to make it worse, he's brilliant. His dad is a nut too. We jokingly say this kid is the next Einstein or the next Unibomber...
 
2012-10-09 11:36:10 PM  
this is the second 911 call i've seen posted in a couple weeks. I don't like this trend. They shouldn't release these things to news organizations or anyone else (other than the courts) for that matter. Sad and way too dark for me.
 
2012-10-09 11:39:50 PM  

4seasons85!: Sword and Shield: Mark Ratner: Michael Myers. The quoter changed his age from 8 to 17. I always liked the next line when Loomis says, "I spent eight years trying to reach him and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil." How did Loomis realize that the Michael was pure evil if all he ever did was stare at a wall in a catatonic state?

I worked a while in inpatient child psych when I was in medical school, and there are times you just know the person in front of you will kill someone someday. It's hard to describe, but the severe antisocial personality disorder cases, the severe intermittent explosive disorder cases, have a distinct look.

My family and I know another family who has sOn that scares me. Since childhood he's been obsessed with swords and knifes. Not a big deal but factor in he has mental instability and now as a teen he cannot go to school because he's been kicked out of too many. He's uncontrollable and to make it worse, he's brilliant. His dad is a nut too. We jokingly say this kid is the next Einstein or the next Unibomber...


That's really funny,
 
2012-10-09 11:41:43 PM  

sumupid: this is the second 911 call i've seen posted in a couple weeks. I don't like this trend. They shouldn't release these things to news organizations or anyone else (other than the courts) for that matter. Sad and way too dark for me.


Yet, part of our public right to know (you don't have to listen, I had to click on the play button to hear it - didn't you, as well?) There were times (believe it or not) when they showed war on the nightly news. It sort of horrified people and made them demand peace in droves. Or demand more war - it dependent n their essential character, as always.
 
2012-10-09 11:42:18 PM  
the original story posted in the local paper last Thursday

I have a couple of comments -

the OP title said 15 - he is 17

at 17, in Texas he will be tried and sentenced as an adult - they won't release names of juveniles accused of crimes

family didn't call him evil, he called himself evil
"I don't know. I can't ... Obviously, you know, I'm pretty, I guess, evil but that's ... whatever. Sorry."

as noted earlier, he lived out in the country - nice suburban development, but at least 15-20 minutes from the authorities unless one of them happened to be in the neighborhood - and it was a gated community so somebody had to meet them at the gate to let them in

yes the dispatcher did an unbelievable job

sad sad story
 
2012-10-10 12:36:37 AM  

bmihura: Been on Fark longer than 99% of you, but that was the most messed up thing I've experienced in awhile.



I am the 1%
 
2012-10-10 12:47:17 AM  
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sumupid: this is the second 911 call i've seen posted in a couple weeks. I don't like this trend. They shouldn't release these things to news organizations or anyone else (other than the courts) for that matter. Sad and way too dark for me.

Yet, part of our public right to know (you don't have to listen, I had to click on the play button to hear it - didn't you, as well?) There were times (believe it or not) when they showed war on the nightly news. It sort of horrified people and made them demand peace in droves. Or demand more war - it dependent n their essential character, as always.


I didn't click on the link. I did not listen to the audio. It's not just dark, I find it terribly insensitive to the ones involved. Somethings should remain private.
 
2012-10-10 12:51:28 AM  
Has anyone mentioned yet that the kid was 17?
 
2012-10-10 01:34:00 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: jaylectricity: Born_Again_Bavarian: / Too obscure?

Blockbuster movies made out of blockbuster novels are never obscure.

Now Hunger Games...that...that would be obscure.

This isn't a blockbuster movie...........yet. Hence the "obscure" comment. I think they are still working on the script.


It's already in my wife's DVD collection.

////OK mine too...the first book was good dammit!
 
2012-10-10 01:38:51 AM  

youmightberight: Crazy by nature is crazy, unpredictable, and sometimes violent.


What's with the kick down of crazies? You know, my OCD is hardly going to make me want to sort recently deceased people out into intricate patterns or anything.

I prefer the following: "Violent people are violent".
 
2012-10-10 02:06:47 AM  

jesdynf: I live in Texas, and I'm surrounded by... well, you people, apparently, so way to go.

Being against the death penalty means you're against the death penalty. There's no "unless", there's no "except". If you aren't willing to, if necessary, pay for the care and treatment of someone like this for the remainder of their natural life, you need to shut the fark up about your principles.

/against the death penalty


You are addressing only one brand of death penalty opponent.

I, for instance, would support abolishing the death penalty because of the inadequacies of the justice system. Whether due to mistakes, malfeasance, or prejudice incorrect or biased results are inherent to any human system.

That plus life in prison is cheaper than execution and eliminating the death penalty would smooth extradition when relevant and eliminate an appearance of hypocracy when we object to other countries human rights record.

But that perspective is based on the principal of greatest good/justice possible for the most people possible. Not the principal that human life is sacrosanct or that society owes him anything other than a fair trial.

In this case there appears to be no room for flaws or mistakes. He's guilty. And unimaginably broken or evil. I have no qualms about his execution. Would do it myself if necessary, though I wouldn't volunteer.


tl/dr: I would support the abolition of the death penalty were that option available. I would also support, in this individual case if it plays out in court the way it looks on the surface, the execution of this individual sack of shiat.

And there's no contradiction in those two thoughts.
 
2012-10-10 03:57:57 AM  
I know many people are going to say "guns aren't the problem here", but damn am I glad I don't live in a country where most houses have a gun in them. All it takes is one nut with ready access to a gun and it's all over.
 
2012-10-10 08:04:32 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: Guns don't kill people. Bullets fired from guns do.


But it's a lot harder to shoot people without one.
 
2012-10-10 09:40:55 AM  

pippi longstocking: So he'll be executed in 10-20 years and after millions of taxpayer dollars...oh this is justice.


No he won't. Juveniles can no longer face the death penalty in the US. Even if he was 17 and 364 days, he will not be executed for this.
 
2012-10-10 11:15:13 AM  

mortimer_ford: The Rock never said such a thing. That was Rick Flair.


NotSoFunkyPhantom: The Rock caused people to put off having kids in the '90s? I don't recall that being part of his wrestling spiel.


cynicalbastard: Well, if a throw went wrong and you got caught sqaure in the cojones with a knee, I imagine that would delay a man's plans to have kids.


www.actionmoviefreak.com
 
2012-10-10 11:21:44 AM  
Lets settle it.
it is unlikely that a kid from the urbs and a gated community had a dressed up .22 or used a .223 (considering he SAID he used a .22)

.22LR Handgun
www.hyattgunstore.com

or

www.gunlistings.org


.22LR Rifle

savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-10 01:31:00 PM  

give me doughnuts: I wonder how he felt about Whitney Houston's music?


It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since... it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.
 
2012-10-10 04:05:13 PM  

99.998er: Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.


and by "Help he needs" I hope you are referring to a bed sheet and a chair to reach an elevated position to tie it off to.
 
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