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2012-10-09 04:18:32 PM  

clyph: Mark Ratner: Should have used a bigger gun, you psycho nutjob.

But, it's supposed to be a magic death stick. It goes bang and people just fall over.

Kid's got some serious undiagnosed problems going on. What's the over/under on him being found not competent to stand trial?


Texas. He'll stand trial as an adult.
 
2012-10-09 04:20:01 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"


It could have had a .22LR conversion kit installed, although probably not with that magazine. .22LR conversions are pretty common for AR pattern rifles. They even have ones now that take mags that look like regular STANAG mags.
 
2012-10-09 04:20:42 PM  
THIS 911 CALL WAS 20 MINUTES LONG. WHAT THE fark

Yeah hi there was a homicide... Yeah whatever we will be there WHENEVER THE fark WE WANT. Even in Sim City 2000 a 20 minute response time would have been unacceptable.
 
2012-10-09 04:20:55 PM  
Seems a little rough to post the name of the family and the recording. The remaining sisters are identifiable and know that most people have heard the details of the murder. Also, minor? What? And what does the fact they lived in a gated, upscale community have to do with anything? Does that change the tragedy somehow?

Does anyone else know someone like this kid, too? This guy in high school was creepy as hell. Always a vacant, empty stare, had summer jobs every year killing minks or something like that. He always spoke with kind of a reserved, "memorization" of what social conventions were, or what it meant to say, empathize with someone. He'd frequently make statements that showed a total lack of understanding as to why we don't hurt people or steal, etc. - every time I see a picture of im on Facebook or something I think how happy I am that my family is nowhere near him now.
 
2012-10-09 04:23:16 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Lock him up with Sandusky.


Heh.
 
2012-10-09 04:25:41 PM  

clyph: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

It could have had a .22LR conversion kit installed, although probably not with that magazine. .22LR conversions are pretty common for AR pattern rifles. They even have ones now that take mags that look like regular STANAG mags.


To be fair, they are both .22 caliber rounds. One just has a bit more oomph than the other.

/Which bullet/ammo manufacturer got started by swaging .22 lr spent shells onto .22 cal cast lead bullets as jackets? Was that Speer?
 
2012-10-09 04:26:07 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Wow, I'm against the death penalty, but I think this kid should be killed right now in the most humane way possible so scientists can study his brain and figure out how such malfunctions occur, how to detect them before they get all shooty, and maybe how to fix them.


EXCEPT, that most brain studies use a LIVING brain in a LIVING body.
fMRIs while being shown images or videos or sounds.
 
2012-10-09 04:27:38 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid

Okay, just so I understand.

Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

I say "a .223 is not the same as a .22, make a joke about significant figures, and reference the difference in grain"

Another Farker says "You are stupid for saying a .22 is different than a .223"

I say "No, I think that makes you stupid for saying there is no difference"

Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well


Dude, look at what Bacontastesgood said. That what YOU were referring to, meaning the post you were replying to, was the dumbest post in the thread.
 
2012-10-09 04:30:48 PM  
His family said he was "evil"? Wow, really? Maybe so, don't ya think? This kid is the epitome of a psychopath.
 
2012-10-09 04:30:51 PM  

serial_crusher:
I wonder how much that photo looks like his appearance prior to the crime, because I'm pretty sure I would have had some suspicions about that kid.


Sure you would, that isn't an answer. The problem is, people will have those same suspicions about 100 people for every one that actually turns out to be a sociopath. And even then, you'll miss most of the actual sociopaths who don't show the particular tells you're catching.

The tells people see are usually just symptoms of poor social adjustment, and catches geeky anti-social people in its net as well as the dangerous ones. I spent years wondering because of those symptoms and cruel things people said about me that I overheard. But while I'm totally comfortable thinking thoughts "normal" people seem to find unthinkable, my conscience works just fine...and that's what counts.

The very best sociopaths don't show any tells at all. They become successful lawyers, politicians and CEOs, and only through long observation can an expert tell they're stone cold inside. Jerry Sandusky is an excellent example.
 
2012-10-09 04:31:34 PM  

melaniethepanda: Just a sad situation all around. The kid needs help in the worst way, and I'm sure he went years being mentally unstable. Wanting to "put a bullet in his head" or "make him suffer" does nothing for someone who is clearly sick in the head.


Agreed that this a sad situation, but there is no "help" that will do anything for this POS...
 
2012-10-09 04:32:30 PM  

daveinsurgent: And what does the fact they lived in a gated, upscale community have to do with anything? Does that change the tragedy somehow?


Just makes it more newsworthy. If they were black and living in the ghetto, it would probably just be written off as another day in the 'hood... that might make page 5 of the metro section. White kid from the burbs going postal? That's front page news.
 
2012-10-09 04:35:29 PM  

dan1101: Yeah the 911 operators demeanor seemed strange, but really how else should she act? Keeping him calm seems like the rational thing until the police (finally) arrive.


Obviously, she should start hyperventilating and repeating "ohmahJesus, OHMAHJESUS! THAT LITTLE BOY MURDERED HIS FAMILY!" then begin openly weeping.
 
2012-10-09 04:35:38 PM  

liverpoolumd: THIS 911 CALL WAS 20 MINUTES LONG. WHAT THE fark

Yeah hi there was a homicide... Yeah whatever we will be there WHENEVER THE fark WE WANT. Even in Sim City 2000 a 20 minute response time would have been unacceptable.


Annetta South is 15 miles of 2 lane twisty roads from the nearest SO/PD. A 20 minute response time isn't really all that bad, considering the only deputy on duty may have been on the other side of the county and needed to drive 40 miles to get there.
 
2012-10-09 04:36:35 PM  

ProfessorOhki: pute kisses like a man: a miranda warning is required before a custodial interrogation. they must have you in custody and there must be an interrogation.

custody is difficult to define, but think of it this way, you feel like you can't leave the officers presence. interrogation is also difficult to define, but basically, are they seeking testimony?

so, say you're in the cop car, and no one is talking. obviously, you are in custody, but there's no interrogation. then you say, "man, i killed her. that girl really needed a killing."

probably admissible. but, then the cops should stop you and say, "whoa, here's you miranda rights," and then let you keep talking. this is the hear it first, mirandize after method. they should miranize before asking any questions, since they would then be seeking testimony.

Well, it's obviously required before an interrogation, but it's usually done when custody is established, right? In that situation, it seems like it could make a difference in admissibility if they'd been Mirandized before or after they said that. Seems like if the cop is going by-the-book and wants to maximize evidence, they'd do it as soon as possible? Am I wrong? (Seriously, I'm just guessing here)


technically, the miranda warning is not constitutionally required until the custodial interrogation (wherever/whenever that may be). it's a two prong test. custody and interrogation.

So, if there has been no warning but you have custody and everyone is silent (no interrogation), then the bad guy says, "I did it, I killed her!" that should be admissible. it was voluntary, presumably, and not at the behest of interrogation.

However, the cop should mirandize immediately or forfeit the evidence to come as inadmissible.

that's why cops want to get miranda out of the way when it's not relevant, and no one is thinking of the damage they are doing to themselves.

/ I don't know this stuff in detail, and I'm just shooting from the hip from studying it like crazy over the summer, and quickly forgetting almost all of it
 
2012-10-09 04:37:28 PM  

a61sun: you have pee hands: CapeFearCadaver: Crazy is crazy is crazy.

Sociopaths wear some pretty believable masks.

Sociopaths are usually more self serving. You don't get much out of committing a crime you can't possibly get away with. I wonder if he's psychotic.

"I'm not a psychopath, I am a highly functional sociopath!"

/obscure?


That's elementary.
 
Xai
2012-10-09 04:45:49 PM  
but guns make you safer and if the entire family had guns too they could have used their guns to deflect the bullets in the air...
 
2012-10-09 04:47:42 PM  

Xai: but guns make you safer and if the entire family had guns too they could have used their guns to deflect the bullets in the air...


Don't be stupid. You shoot the other bullets out of the air with your bullets.
 
2012-10-09 04:48:50 PM  

Holfax: blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????

Yeah, this is not going to look good on his college applications.


Hopefully, he wasn't aspiring to get into Virginia Tech. Wiped his chances right out.
 
2012-10-09 04:51:59 PM  

Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid


He used a pop gun, a woman's gun
i1219.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-09 04:52:10 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death

Which is why from now on all movie death scenes need to be done like this one from Turkey.


Link


I don't like what they've done with Murderface in the latest season of Metalocalypse.
 
2012-10-09 04:58:02 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid

Okay, just so I understand.

Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

I say "a .223 is not the same as a .22, make a joke about significant figures, and reference the difference in grain"

Another Farker says "You are stupid for saying a .22 is different than a .223"



No, what they said was "Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread." It was a statement of agreement.

I left it quoted, so you can see it for yourself.
 
2012-10-09 04:58:13 PM  

weltallica: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 275x183]

Clearly Heavy metal music is to blame. It gets played on the wireless, where ANYONE can hear it!


------


Agrees

detonatetherecut.files.wordpress.com

/ NME hates you
// obscure, even if you're from Seattle
 
2012-10-09 04:59:18 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: Guns don't kill people. Bullets fired from guns do.


Says someone who's never heard of fatal pistol whipping.
 
2012-10-09 05:02:37 PM  

DingleberryMoose:

Annetta South is 15 miles of 2 lane twisty roads from the nearest SO/PD. A 20 minute response time isn't really all that bad, considering the only deputy on duty may have been on the other side of the county and needed to drive 40 miles to get there.


Unacceptable! We need people in a grid layout every .5 mile, 24/7, to minimize response time.

/also, make our taxes lower
 
2012-10-09 05:09:35 PM  

Mister Peejay: DingleberryMoose:

Annetta South is 15 miles of 2 lane twisty roads from the nearest SO/PD. A 20 minute response time isn't really all that bad, considering the only deputy on duty may have been on the other side of the county and needed to drive 40 miles to get there.

Unacceptable! We need people in a grid layout every .5 mile, 24/7, to minimize response time.

/also, make our taxes lower


Agenda 21 my friend, it's coming. be patient.
 
2012-10-09 05:10:48 PM  

Mister Peejay: DingleberryMoose:

Annetta South is 15 miles of 2 lane twisty roads from the nearest SO/PD. A 20 minute response time isn't really all that bad, considering the only deputy on duty may have been on the other side of the county and needed to drive 40 miles to get there.

Unacceptable! We need people in a grid layout every .5 mile, 24/7, to minimize response time.

/also, make our taxes lower


If we simply stacked all of the people in a building of arbitrary height, the officer could just wait in the lobby and thereby always respond to the building in question instantly.

The elevator ride is a biatch, though.
 
2012-10-09 05:12:00 PM  
This is why I will always support the death penalty even if I'm a libby lib. Some people are broken and they can never be fixed. Keeping them in prison or a hospital for the next, oh 80 years may protect society, but is really cruel to the person who has been told by doctors that they will never be normal, can never be released because they can't be fixed, and can never see the outside. Aside from that, the costs are enormous, but that honestly doesn't play much into my opinion. I am concerned about the quality of life. If there is no quality, execution / euthanasia seems like a good alternative.
 
2012-10-09 05:15:01 PM  

namatad: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Wow, I'm against the death penalty, but I think this kid should be killed right now in the most humane way possible so scientists can study his brain and figure out how such malfunctions occur, how to detect them before they get all shooty, and maybe how to fix them.

EXCEPT, that most brain studies use a LIVING brain in a LIVING body.
fMRIs while being shown images or videos or sounds.


Okay then, life without parole in a maximum security research facility.

/ There has to be a reason beyond "he totes cray cray!"
 
2012-10-09 05:22:52 PM  

Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well


Ack, got posters mixed up, sorry. In my meager defense, it is 1am here, and I spent all day flying on a jumpseat of a C-130, so I am kinda wrecked.


Cool, no worries. I certainly make plenty of honest mistakes, to err is human after all. I hope you at least got to do something interesting while suffering through military transport =)

/Interesting but safe I should say
 
2012-10-09 05:23:20 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: namatad: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Wow, I'm against the death penalty, but I think this kid should be killed right now in the most humane way possible so scientists can study his brain and figure out how such malfunctions occur, how to detect them before they get all shooty, and maybe how to fix them.

EXCEPT, that most brain studies use a LIVING brain in a LIVING body.
fMRIs while being shown images or videos or sounds.

Okay then, life without parole in a maximum security research facility.

/ There has to be a reason beyond "he totes cray cray!"


I agree, human experimentation would be a good alternative to the death penalty. Put them through all kinds of farked up experiments in any way possible. We can advance medical technology much faster and punish those monsters at the same time. Two birds, one stone!
 
2012-10-09 05:23:34 PM  

freewill: Mister Peejay: DingleberryMoose:

Annetta South is 15 miles of 2 lane twisty roads from the nearest SO/PD. A 20 minute response time isn't really all that bad, considering the only deputy on duty may have been on the other side of the county and needed to drive 40 miles to get there.

Unacceptable! We need people in a grid layout every .5 mile, 24/7, to minimize response time.

/also, make our taxes lower

If we simply stacked all of the people in a building of arbitrary height, the officer could just wait in the lobby and thereby always respond to the building in question instantly.

The elevator ride is a biatch, though.


No no no. The officer waits on the roof and uses the bat pole.
 
2012-10-09 05:31:26 PM  

trappedspirit:
Dude, look at what Bacontastesgood said. That what YOU were referring to, meaning the post you were replying to, was the dumbest post in the thread.


Alrighty, apparently I am just being an asshole today, sorry everyone.
 
2012-10-09 05:36:39 PM  

trappedspirit: Xai: but guns make you safer and if the entire family had guns too they could have used their guns to deflect the bullets in the air...

Don't be stupid. You shoot the other bullets out of the air with your bullets.


No, a light saber with Jedi training is the way to go. You don't even need to see, so go ahead and wear that blast shield if you want to really show off.
 
2012-10-09 05:42:56 PM  

clyph: The problem isn't that there are too few barriers to getting a gun.The problem is that there are too many barriers to getting mental health care.


The problem, IMO, is both. By way of an analogy to the (excellent) political cartoon you cited, I really think you don't want to just lower the mental health care bar to the ground, but also want to raise up the guns a couple steps. I'm not saying that it should be hard to get a gun for most people, just that I support some policies like background checks and waiting periods (with some form of escape hatch for the very rare case where you really need that protection now).
 
2012-10-09 05:45:04 PM  

Antimatter: borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death.

I remember valve once saying something like this back when TF2 had a realistic theme. No one makes realistic war games because it's not fun to get gutshot, and have your character roll around screaming for the next six hours till he goes into shock and dies.


Well, that and it would make the games take way too long
 
2012-10-09 05:53:57 PM  
Outrageous murder aside, the thing that totally makes me nuts with this article is the insistence that the kid called 9/11 or 9-11. How does one dial a date? Or, alternatively is my phone defective for not having an 11 button? Does this lend credence to the people who ask me to remember Nine-One-One every eleventh day of September (a date commonly signified as 9/11 or 9-11) as if it isn't useful to remember the nationally recognized three digit phone number that will alert fire, police, and EMS services to your need for assistance on any other day of the year. Truly, the puzzling nature of this boy's placing a call to a specific date, either in the past or future is of greater concern than this whole shooting thing. I think the priorities are reversed. Our national emergency phone number / tragic date in history confusion will be the ruination of of our society.
 
2012-10-09 05:56:51 PM  

Fecacacophany: Or, alternatively is my phone defective for not having an 11 button?


I think maybe they want you to dial 9-ELEVEN (935-3836)?
 
2012-10-09 05:58:36 PM  
Somebody needs to do something about batshiat crazy white people and guns. I think we need to ship them all back to Europe where they came from. The more you give them, the crazier the shiat they do. They are beyond hope and cannot be helped and we need to just stop pandering to white people and lock them all up or put them in permanent slavery.

/am I doing it right?
 
2012-10-09 05:58:51 PM  

evaned: Fecacacophany: Or, alternatively is my phone defective for not having an 11 button?

I think maybe they want you to dial 9-ELEVEN (935-3836)?


I never considered that. Well, I just called August 9th and asked it not to rain next year.
 
2012-10-09 06:07:46 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid

Okay, just so I understand.

Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

I say "a .223 is not the same as a .22, make a joke about significant figures, and reference the difference in grain"

Another Farker says "You are stupid for saying a .22 is different than a .223"

I say "No, I think that makes you stupid for saying there is no difference"

Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well


best to let it go.When CNN gets this it will be a Glock anyway.
 
2012-10-09 06:13:28 PM  
Really?

Nobody has posted this yet?

Link
 
2012-10-09 06:13:45 PM  
Aw crap, I missed the better version of my 9-ELEVEN "joke" --- NINE-ELEVEN has the right number of characters to be an area code + number. (646-335-3836).

Hey, and looking at it, 646 is the area code for Manhattan. Manhattan? NINE-ELEVEN? 9-11? Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
 
2012-10-09 06:19:53 PM  

simon_bar_sinister: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid

Okay, just so I understand.

Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

I say "a .223 is not the same as a .22, make a joke about significant figures, and reference the difference in grain"

Another Farker says "You are stupid for saying a .22 is different than a .223"

I say "No, I think that makes you stupid for saying there is no difference"

Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well

best to let it go.When CNN gets this it will be a Glock anyway.


Actually, the latest update says it was an AK-47.
 
2012-10-09 06:20:10 PM  

blatz514: Holfax: blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????

Yeah, this is not going to look good on his college applications.

The ROTC will be more than excited to bring him aboard!


I know you are joking but it pays to keep in mind that in the late 1800s and early 1900s it was common practice to give prisoners the option to serve out their sentence in the military. Especially during war time.
 
2012-10-09 06:20:40 PM  
Why do murderer phone recordings always have a "Warning: Disturbing" alert on them? It's just some audio recording...
 
2012-10-09 06:24:44 PM  

Mark Ratner: Actually, the latest update says it was an AK-47 a Barrett M82A1 50 BMG, two grenades and a vial of ricin.


FTFY
 
2012-10-09 06:31:52 PM  
What I get out of the story:

Pre-meditated murder
Voluntary given confession
Calmly given confession
Remorse not for them dying but how they died
Broken home
Young age
First time offender (most likely)
No history of mental or substance abuse
Possible mental abuse through religious means

He'll definately get time. No question about that. I don't think the mitigating factors will be enough in his case unless something shocking pops up.
 
2012-10-09 06:41:34 PM  

Mark Ratner: Michael Myers. The quoter changed his age from 8 to 17. I always liked the next line when Loomis says, "I spent eight years trying to reach him and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil." How did Loomis realize that the Michael was pure evil if all he ever did was stare at a wall in a catatonic state?


I worked a while in inpatient child psych when I was in medical school, and there are times you just know the person in front of you will kill someone someday. It's hard to describe, but the severe antisocial personality disorder cases, the severe intermittent explosive disorder cases, have a distinct look.
 
2012-10-09 06:43:32 PM  
He's only 15, he still young, someone needs to put him in a chair and scold him and I found the perfect chair to do it:


media.giantbomb.com
 
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