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(Big 1059)   "Yes, 9-1-1? Hi. I'm 15, and I just killed my family with a gun. I thought it would be quick and painless for them, but everything kinda went wrong"   (big1059.com) divider line 354
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2012-10-09 03:20:47 PM  
the only surprise is this doesn't happen more often. it's hard enough being a teen bean with the pressure of school, your peers, family and screaming hormones. there are a lot of mentally unbalanced youngsters across the land. for them, it's a struggle, a fight you can't imagine on a daily basis which barely keeps holding them back from making everyone in their immediate vicinity just...go away.

make more firearms & ammunition readily available to american teenagers and watch this sort of hijinx go right through the roof. i have no doubt. we have clueless parents across the country ignoring the signs day after day, living in denial, telling themselves "not my Kevin, he's a good boy!". morans deserve to die.
 
2012-10-09 03:21:46 PM  

Befuddled: From what I've been told, Miranda happens when you get arrested. The cops can question you for hours and as long as you haven't been arrested, the cops don't have to tell you anything about your rights and everything you say is 100% admissible.


You have to be in a custodial setting, though not necessarily under arrest. If a reasonable person would believe they are being detained by the state you're in a custodial setting. But he called 911 from home apparently of his own will, so his admission there would not be protected.

Also bear in mind he's a minor (though for some reason we'll pretend he's an adult with respect to punishment, even though we didn't let him vote or move away from his parents) so he cannot legally consent to anything or waive any rights whether he had been arrested and/or mirandized or not. But again, not really applicable to his call to 911.
 
2012-10-09 03:23:31 PM  
Yeah the 911 operators demeanor seemed strange, but really how else should she act? Keeping him calm seems like the rational thing until the police (finally) arrive.
 
2012-10-09 03:23:53 PM  

blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????


Yeah, this is not going to look good on his college applications.
 
2012-10-09 03:24:14 PM  

pute kisses like a man: now, I'm absolutely more frightened of the children. kids are killing parents and strangers, and pretty much anyone they can find. for no predictable reason (I'm sure there's a reason, but it doesn't help if the reason can't be reliably cured before the murder spree).

/ well, the bible did get one thing right, children are born evil.


Check youtube for the 'war on children.' Children are not born evil they are blank slates. They might have certain biological tendencies but we create and encourage psychopathic tendencies in children with how we treat them today.
 
2012-10-09 03:24:21 PM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 225x225]
It's always the guns fault to the uber lib. Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON? It's not the tool, it's the whack job/thug pulling the trigger.


a-hole

/gesundheit
 
2012-10-09 03:26:21 PM  

Holfax: blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????

Yeah, this is not going to look good on his college applications.


The ROTC will be more than excited to bring him aboard!
 
2012-10-09 03:26:44 PM  
Also interesting with regard to the 911 call admissibility: Arizona (who else?) was discussing a bill that would make 911 takes inadmissible. The reasoning was that someone who shot another in self defense might feel more open to call 911 to report it and request medical help if they didn't have to worry about prosecution based on what they said.

I'm not sure I buy the argument (meaning think the pros outweigh the cons), but I do think it could be interesting discussion if knew more about the topic.
 
2012-10-09 03:28:30 PM  
She reminds me of Delilah. She's make a great night-time radio host.
 
2012-10-09 03:29:15 PM  

pute kisses like a man: a miranda warning is required before a custodial interrogation. they must have you in custody and there must be an interrogation.

custody is difficult to define, but think of it this way, you feel like you can't leave the officers presence. interrogation is also difficult to define, but basically, are they seeking testimony?

so, say you're in the cop car, and no one is talking. obviously, you are in custody, but there's no interrogation. then you say, "man, i killed her. that girl really needed a killing."

probably admissible. but, then the cops should stop you and say, "whoa, here's you miranda rights," and then let you keep talking. this is the hear it first, mirandize after method. they should miranize before asking any questions, since they would then be seeking testimony.


Well, it's obviously required before an interrogation, but it's usually done when custody is established, right? In that situation, it seems like it could make a difference in admissibility if they'd been Mirandized before or after they said that. Seems like if the cop is going by-the-book and wants to maximize evidence, they'd do it as soon as possible? Am I wrong? (Seriously, I'm just guessing here)
 
2012-10-09 03:29:36 PM  
chaoswolf:othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.

I wonder why they all look like they're forcing their smiles?


Maybe the crazy family member shooter was the one taking the picture and they were already afraid of him at that time?
 
2012-10-09 03:30:02 PM  
messed up indeed.

The only thing more wrong is that our society will feed him, clothe him, make sure he's fed, and has all the medical attention he will need for the rest of his life.

Speedy trial, hell give him automatic appeal and another speedy trial. Once a final verdict is read, execute him in the most economical fashion possible. He's already taken so much from society, why allow him to take any more?

Either kill him, or strip him of ALL rights and stick him in some work/rape camp. Let him live out his natural life in agonizing pain. The same kind his mom and sister experienced when they were killed.
 
2012-10-09 03:30:04 PM  

Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.


Yeah a bit. Like the ocean is a bit wet.
 
2012-10-09 03:30:06 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: Sasquach: I need to find a corroborating link.....for some reason, I can't trust a story sourced from Beck...


Pretty much the same thing....Pops

From that article:

Evans and his sister Mallory were being home-schooled.

And suddenly, everything else makes sense.


====================

The article also states that is biological father lives in a nearby upscale, GATED community. These people really sound like hardcore GOP types: Rich. Hate the government. Like guns. Paranoid.

/Fine examples of red state conservatives.
 
2012-10-09 03:30:13 PM  
"The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

Ya think?
 
2012-10-09 03:30:52 PM  
Wow.

I have to say I am blown away by the performance of the 911 operator. I know they get trained for this, but it takes a certain kind of person to handle a situation like this as coolly and compassionately as she did. I can not imagine the type of effect that must have on the way you perceive the rest of the world. There is no going home from that kind of work.
 
2012-10-09 03:34:54 PM  

evaned: Also interesting with regard to the 911 call admissibility: Arizona (who else?) was discussing a bill that would make 911 takes inadmissible. The reasoning was that someone who shot another in self defense might feel more open to call 911 to report it and request medical help if they didn't have to worry about prosecution based on what they said.

I'm not sure I buy the argument (meaning think the pros outweigh the cons), but I do think it could be interesting discussion if knew more about the topic.


Terrible terrible idea. Imagine someone calls 911 during the commission of a robbery or the like, says identifying or otherwise interesting thing about the perpetrators, is killed before police arrive. An in-progress call like that can give the exact play-by-play of how a situation unfolded.

Now, maybe making confessions given over 911 inadmissible, maybe. All tapes though? Arizona-tier idea.
 
2012-10-09 03:35:50 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: SlothB77: Subby ... 17-year-old Jake Evans admitted to shooting his mother and sister to death.

Yeah, talk about things going wrong. Spent a whole 2 years shooting them to death? Hardcore man.

No, he just did it last week. You take 17 and multiply it by .22 (the caliber for the weapon) and then multiply that by 4 (the number of surviving family members, including the shooter) and you get 14.96. They just rounded it to 15.  I know it sounds complicated but that's how it works.


You forgot, he didn't turn 17 on Monday. He's obviously 17.0454545 for this equation.
 
2012-10-09 03:38:26 PM  

ringersol: TFA: "Evans had no history of mental illness"

Which, in the US, means "Evans had no history of committing crimes for which mental illness was his defense".
Because that's how we roll in the US. We ignore mental health problems. Particularly among the high functioning.
Care is pretty much unaffordable, so unless you commit a crime, we just cross our fingers and hope the first incident that forces the State to note the problem and pick up the tab isn't a (double) homicide. ... And even then the State will fight to deny the existence of mental health problems by default and downplay future risks, because they don't want to pay for that shiat either.

/ Not to mention a good chunk of the country has a default attitude that any claimed mental health problem that hasn't already resulted in a serious crime is mostly bullshiat.


THIS THIS THIS THIS and until we do things differently, we will have more of this and shot up movie theaters and such.

And this 911 operator is the calmest person I have ever heard. Ice water in the veins. Holy crap.
 
2012-10-09 03:41:13 PM  

CrappityCrap: Death Penalty sure comes in handy here.


From the nation which finds the idea that the state should limit freedom of speech ...
 
2012-10-09 03:41:33 PM  
Wow, listening to this now. The operator did everything she could have - poor woman deserves a medal.
 
2012-10-09 03:41:38 PM  
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Clearly Heavy metal music is to blame. It gets played on the wireless, where ANYONE can hear it!
 
2012-10-09 03:44:17 PM  

Befuddled: JohnCarter: Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

From what I've been told, Miranda happens when you get arrested. The cops can question you for hours and as long as you haven't been arrested, the cops don't have to tell you anything about your rights and everything you say is 100% admissible.


===========

Arrested or not, the cops can question you all they want, and you don't have to answer. If they don't arrest you, neither do you have to go with them to the station.

Cops: "We want you to come in for questioning."

Citizen: "No"

Cops: "Pretty please."

Citizen: "No."

Cops: "OK, you're under arrest! Now talk!"

Citizen: "No."

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE.  It's the first thing a lawyer will tell you.
 
2012-10-09 03:47:27 PM  

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


She kept him calm and on the phone. And therefore not taking the gun across the street to finish off the rest of the family.

She did an excellent job, and needs an award, a raise, and a stiff drink. She earned them.
 
2012-10-09 03:47:53 PM  
He was just standing his ground! After all, his sister charged at him by coming out of her room, and then the way his mother looked at him made him feel threatened. He had to do it!
 
2012-10-09 03:48:20 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted


Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

www.travel-golf.org

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid
 
2012-10-09 03:49:54 PM  
Police don't currently have a motive for the murders, as Evans had no history of mental illness or substance abuse.

Because shooting people and a lack of emotion are totally normal signs of healthy psychology.

/Holy fark, that kid needs to be put somewhere safe.
 
2012-10-09 03:49:59 PM  

Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid


I doubt it. When he said, "I've been thinking about killing someone for awhile" that shows VERY clear premeditation.
 
2012-10-09 03:50:12 PM  
No saving this one. A properly placed bullet is the only cure.
 
2012-10-09 03:53:25 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Terrible terrible idea. Imagine someone calls 911 during the commission of a robbery or the like, says identifying or otherwise interesting thing about the perpetrators, is killed before police arrive. An in-progress call like that can give the exact play-by-play of how a situation unfolded.Now, maybe making confessions given over 911 inadmissible, maybe. All tapes though? Arizona-tier idea.


Sorry, yes, I didn't give a perfectly accurate portrayal: the exclusion would apply to murder confessions only.
 
2012-10-09 03:54:09 PM  

scubamage: I doubt it. When he said, "I've been thinking about killing someone for awhile" that shows VERY clear premeditation.


Maybe. Not a lawyer nor a shrink, so I have no professional opinion - just can't imagine a mentally stable person doing that. Maybe I am a Pollyanna, though, I'm not discounting that possibility.
 
2012-10-09 03:55:25 PM  

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


I work in dispatch, and the easiest way to get someone to hang up on you is to start yelling and freaking out and accusing them of things. If you stay calm, keep an even tone to your voice, and empathize with the caller, they are much more likely to remain calm as well.

We are taught that if you start getting upset in a situation like this (where someone is confessing to something over the phone and no officers have arrived yet) you will make the assailant feel like they are doomed, and that the full wrath of hell is about to rain down on them, so they will just off themselves before the cops can do it for them.

The safety of those in the vicinity of the psycho is the main concern for a dispatcher. If someone called me in this situation, I would probably be waving my arms and motioning for everyone else in the office to get to my desk immediately to hear this crazy s&*^ that's going down, but the person on the other line needs to feel like they are your immediate focus at that moment, and that you can understand their situation, and you don't want any harm to come to them.
 
2012-10-09 03:56:05 PM  

the_geek: pute kisses like a man: now, I'm absolutely more frightened of the children. kids are killing parents and strangers, and pretty much anyone they can find. for no predictable reason (I'm sure there's a reason, but it doesn't help if the reason can't be reliably cured before the murder spree).

/ well, the bible did get one thing right, children are born evil.

Check youtube for the 'war on children.' Children are not born evil they are blank slates. They might have certain biological tendencies but we create and encourage psychopathic tendencies in children with how we treat them today.


take your tabula rosa out of my tabula... dogma! (oh man... i should have studied some latin, maybe then I could have made a joke)

personally, i question whether there is any evil. my slashie was a joke. however, i don't think that the default is a good person. i think it takes experience to grow into compassion.
 
2012-10-09 03:57:15 PM  

chevydeuce: Dear Annetta South, Texas Police Department,

Take this kid out of his cell, walk him behind the building, and put, at miniumum, two bullets into his head from 6'-8' away.

Thank you,

Society at Large

 
2012-10-09 03:57:20 PM  
Just a sad situation all around. The kid needs help in the worst way, and I'm sure he went years being mentally unstable. Wanting to "put a bullet in his head" or "make him suffer" does nothing for someone who is clearly sick in the head.
 
2012-10-09 03:57:29 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Which is why from now on all movie death scenes need to be done like this one from Turkey.


Link


Now that's funny.
 
2012-10-09 03:57:36 PM  

rcuhljr: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Evil Twin Skippy: Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...

To be fair, the .554 5.54 5.56 is the same diameter but with a hell of a lot more velocity. It sounds like this kid was shooting what I would be firing off in the backyard at paper targets.

FTFY

Is there a fark gun caliber meme I'm missing?


Just in case somebody doesn't know, 5.56 mm NATO round is the .223 Remington (with different leade specs, I know) is the same diameter bullet as about a million other .22 caliber rounds, including .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle (I assume the round in question here, but not specified to be so and my .22 revolver will handle all three). Personal favorite is the .220 Swift, because it's a child cartridge (formerly wildcat) of the first metric caliber rifle adopted by the US military and it's fun to shoot.

Also, the kid is under 18, so no death sentence. We get to pay to keep him under lock and key for a very long time.
 
2012-10-09 03:59:54 PM  

you have pee hands: CapeFearCadaver: Crazy is crazy is crazy.

Sociopaths wear some pretty believable masks.

Sociopaths are usually more self serving. You don't get much out of committing a crime you can't possibly get away with. I wonder if he's psychotic.


"I'm not a psychopath, I am a highly functional sociopath!"

/obscure?
 
2012-10-09 04:00:39 PM  

FrancoFile: /I believe in overtipping/i>

I'm wit' you.

 
2012-10-09 04:01:33 PM  

pag1107: Under 18 when crime committed, federal law says he can't be executed.


Don't worry, his butthole will get executed regularly in Huntsville.
 
2012-10-09 04:02:04 PM  

Uisce Beatha: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.

Yeah, right up until you posted

Not really - your post remains pretty stupid

[www.travel-golf.org image 253x571]

One is a .22, one is a .223. Yes, they can both kill, but the .223 is much better at it

/And damn this is an awful story
//I see an insanity defense for the kid


Okay, just so I understand.

Farker posts picture of a rifle that shoots a .223, says "what a .22 might look like"

I say "a .223 is not the same as a .22, make a joke about significant figures, and reference the difference in grain"

Another Farker says "You are stupid for saying a .22 is different than a .223"

I say "No, I think that makes you stupid for saying there is no difference"

Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well
 
2012-10-09 04:04:19 PM  

a61sun:
/obscure?


elementary :)
 
2012-10-09 04:05:51 PM  

Mark Ratner: Should have used a bigger gun, you psycho nutjob.


But, it's supposed to be a magic death stick. It goes bang and people just fall over.

Kid's got some serious undiagnosed problems going on. What's the over/under on him being found not competent to stand trial?
 
2012-10-09 04:07:38 PM  

nmemkha: Quasar: Sounds a bit sociopathic.

He would have made an excellent CEO if he could have channeled the violence into hurting people in other ways.


Wow, this is...hmmm. There's too much truth in this statement. Hold me.
 
2012-10-09 04:10:59 PM  

clyph: Kid's got some serious undiagnosed problems going on. What's the over/under on him being found not competent to stand trial?


This being in Texas, the parents can do what my parents do when one of my siblings go off script....

Put him in the hands of the Lord.
 
2012-10-09 04:11:48 PM  
I wouldn't be surprised if he did not suffer from undiagnosed Aspergers.

He lacked any real sympathy for his victims, yes he did not want them physically hurt but he had no feelings upon ending their life. I predict his mind goes something like this.

Everybody dies someday.
I want to kill someone
so what is the difference between me killing them and them dying later? It was not something that aids him just a matter of fact thing. No different to him wanting a glass of milk.
 
2012-10-09 04:12:35 PM  

abhorrent1: Why did it take cops almost 30 minutes to get there? Too busy eating doughnuts, tazing old ladies or shooting pets?


Nope, posing and flexing their 'roided muscles for the cuties at Starbucks. Besides, responding to active gunfire is dangerous. They did the right thing by waiting until after the whole situation calmed down.

At least that's how most of the glorified mall security guards that I see in Suburbia act.
 
2012-10-09 04:13:24 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death

Which is why from now on all movie death scenes need to be done like this one from Turkey.


Link


She shot his hand??
 
2012-10-09 04:16:16 PM  
i mean... i guess glass half full is that this kid might only kill 2 people in his lifetime? sounds like for this kid, that might have been about as low as could be expected.
 
2012-10-09 04:17:00 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Then yet another farker (who posts a nice picture showing the difference) says I am stupid for saying that there is a difference between a .22 and a .223...but then goes on to say that there is an obvious difference between a .22 and .223 ...which is what I originally said.

/oh well



Ack, got posters mixed up, sorry. In my meager defense, it is 1am here, and I spent all day flying on a jumpseat of a C-130, so I am kinda wrecked.
 
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