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2012-10-09 02:28:06 PM

othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.


The second blonde from the left is smoking, imo.

Also,

Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.


This. A .22 is certainly deadly, but it ain't exactly going to be quick.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:10 PM
He is special because he is human and all human life is better and more important than any other life on this planet so we must protect and cherish it by humanely locking him in a cell for the rest of his life.

Or, we could just shoot him back. Sort of glad this happened in Texas, he's pretty likely to get ended.

We've got enough people. We don't need to keep the defective ones.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:22 PM
Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:27 PM

Masquerader317: Crewmannumber6: Naturally, the community was shocked.

What? You want them to say, "Yeah, saw that one coming a mile away..."?


Actually, yes. For once I would like for the community to be honest with themselves and admit that they knew there was something weird about that family for a long time now.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:39 PM

Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...


To be fair, the .554 is the same diameter but with a hell of a lot more velocity. It sounds like this kid was shooting what I would be firing off in the backyard at paper targets.
 
2012-10-09 02:30:49 PM

evaned: jaylectricity: Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.

Most states' criminal codes don't have a distinguished battery charge; that's an old common law thing. (I think it may survive in the US as a civil tort.)

Ever hear of "battery with intent to kill"?


Swing and a miss.

/I'm cracking myself up
 
2012-10-09 02:33:54 PM

Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...


That looks more like a .223 to me. Significant figures, how do they work?

/Knows this isn't really a sig fig issue...but still, a .223 isn't a .22, nevermind the grain difference
 
2012-10-09 02:34:24 PM

FuturePastNow: That's about the right age for him to turn schizo, isn't it?


Schizo. He's not even trying to protect himself. A psychopath would be smarter.
 
2012-10-09 02:34:49 PM

jaylectricity: Launch Code: Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON?

Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.


/I see what you did there
 
2012-10-09 02:35:08 PM

Droog8912: othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.

The second blonde from the left is smoking, imo.

Also, Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

This. A .22 is certainly deadly, but it ain't exactly going to be quick.


A .22 pistol is an excellent execution weapon as the round is usually only able to penetrate the skull once. The bullet uses up its kinetic energy by bouncing around through the victim's brain.
 
2012-10-09 02:35:45 PM
Assuming that a total ban of firearms in the US would come in phases, i.e. first they came for the AR-15 but I said nothing because I did not have an AR-15, the .22 revolver would be one of the last to go.

Something just like this happened in my highschool twenty years ago except that kid used a knife. Cut the girls head off...
 
2012-10-09 02:36:28 PM

ghare: CrappityCrap: Death Penalty sure comes in handy here.

/don't give a shiat about his age
//or whether he's crazy

You sound just as sociopathic as this poor kid. Get some help, please.


I don't go around killing people let alone my own family members for no reason. This kid is a monster. He deserves absolutely no mercy for what he did.
 
2012-10-09 02:37:05 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...

To be fair, the .554 5.54 is the same diameter but with a hell of a lot more velocity. It sounds like this kid was shooting what I would be firing off in the backyard at paper targets.


FTFY
 
2012-10-09 02:37:52 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22


Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.
 
2012-10-09 02:38:28 PM

Bacontastesgood: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: a .223 isn't a .22

Yeah, what you're referring to is pretty much the dumbest post in this thread.


Yeah, right up until you posted
 
2012-10-09 02:39:00 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: JohnCarter: So - question for all you legal scholars out there...

He basically confesses on tape to the 911 dispatcher. Is that considered admissible in court? Should the operator be reading him his rights and advising him he may need to be quiet? Will a sharp defense attorney be able to get that thrown out along with anything else that comes from that subsequent search as a direct result of the 911 call (guns, bullets, etc)

Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?

Texas lawyers, what say you?

Well from my understanding (I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn), the Miranda rules only apply to confessing while under interrogation. Anything you manage to do to incriminate yourself is pretty much fair game (within the limits of what is admissible in court.)

The Miranda rules are in place for when the cops would have nothing on you except for your own testimony. (Thus why the fifth amendment applies.) In this case, the accused was not speaking to a police officer, he was talking to a 911 dispatcher. And her testimony is still perfectly admissible because it can hardly be said she coerced him into confessing after HE called HER.


IANAL either, but I think it's done whenever someone's taken into custody. Doesn't have to be during interrogation specifically. Now, there's still the whole 'excited utterance' type thing. If you're shouting, "I killed them all," at the top of your lungs with the police arrive, you don't get to have it thrown out.

Think about it for a sec. If it was the way JohnCarter thinks, it would be hard to convict someone who turned themselves in. Walk into station, confess to crime, go "ahaha, didn't Mirandize me first" - doesn't work that way.
 
2012-10-09 02:40:15 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: jaylectricity: Launch Code: Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON?

Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.

/I see what you did there


Thank you! Hopefully you enjoyed my next comment as well.
 
2012-10-09 02:41:23 PM

jaylectricity: evaned: jaylectricity: Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.

Most states' criminal codes don't have a distinguished battery charge; that's an old common law thing. (I think it may survive in the US as a civil tort.)

Ever hear of "battery with intent to kill"?

Swing and a miss.
/I'm cracking myself up


/golfclap
 
2012-10-09 02:42:17 PM

99.998er: Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.


I have compassion for his family, of course. But why would I have compassion for him? He's a sociopath. He wouldn't even care if you have compassion for him.
 
2012-10-09 02:44:00 PM

Mirrorz: Gated community... father away on "business"... Crazy murdering kid... 2nd sister lives across the street with Grandparents?

All kinds of weird in this story.


For the record, gated communities are very common in Texas. Our house is in a gated community.

It's something that surprised me when I moved here.
 
2012-10-09 02:45:54 PM

SchlingFocker: For the record, gated communities are very common in Texas. Our house is in a gated community.

It's something that surprised me when I moved here.


Well, obviously. Beyond those gates, there could be sociopathic killers wandering around.
 
2012-10-09 02:46:47 PM

ringersol: / Not to mention a good chunk of the country has a default attitude that any claimed mental health problem that hasn't already resulted in a serious crime is mostly bullshiat.


You forgot "seeking help for any mental health problem will be construed as evidence that you're about to commit a crime over it so you should be immediately fired and stigmatized."

Why Would I Read the Article: borg: I blame Hollywood they always show people dying instantly when they're shot and not screaming in agony while they bleed to death

Which is why from now on all movie death scenes need to be done like this one from Turkey.


Link


Wow, thank you for brightening up my morning immensely! I can hardly stop laughing over that.
 
2012-10-09 02:48:22 PM

give me doughnuts: Droog8912: othmar: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x357]


his sisters are really nice looking. burn him.

The second blonde from the left is smoking, imo.

Also, Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

This. A .22 is certainly deadly, but it ain't exactly going to be quick.

A .22 pistol is an excellent execution weapon as the round is usually only able to penetrate the skull once. The bullet uses up its kinetic energy by bouncing around through the victim's brain.


That happened to my Uncle Alfresco. I found his body that way on Christmas morning.

/I believe in overtipping
 
2012-10-09 02:48:32 PM

FuturePastNow: That's about the right age for him to turn schizo, isn't it?


I was wondering the same thing. That is a horrible malfunction.
 
2012-10-09 02:52:06 PM

CrappityCrap: ghare: CrappityCrap: Death Penalty sure comes in handy here.

/don't give a shiat about his age
//or whether he's crazy

You sound just as sociopathic as this poor kid. Get some help, please.

I don't go around killing people let alone my own family members for no reason. This kid is a monster. He deserves absolutely no mercy for what he did.


Dad might disagree.
 
2012-10-09 02:52:30 PM

DittoToo: Assuming that a total ban of firearms in the US would come in phases, i.e. first they came for the AR-15 but I said nothing because I did not have an AR-15, the .22 revolver would be one of the last to go.

Something just like this happened in my highschool twenty years ago except that kid used a knife. Cut the girls head off...


Last week there was an escaped prisoner loose in my neighborhood (nowhere near a prison) so I got my shotgun out of my gun safe. My kids didn't even know I had a gun safe. I explained to them when someone is where they're not supposed to be, the sound of a shotgun racking is the last thing they want to hear.

/you can't have my shotgun
 
2012-10-09 02:53:12 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: jaylectricity: Launch Code: Did you ever consider a baseball bat an ASSUALT WEAPON?

Wouldn't that be battery? A lot of people confuse the two.

/I see what you did there


I didn't, evidently. :-)

/In my defense I did think about whether the story had anything to do with batteries
 
2012-10-09 02:54:57 PM
Evans and his sister Mallory were being home-schooled.

Say no more...
 
2012-10-09 02:55:36 PM

blatz514: Straight to doom: Damnit. Why can't my state act mature for once.

If it wasn't for Texas, Arizona, and Florida, Fark wouldn't exist.


FTFM

/Arizonan
//I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.
 
2012-10-09 02:56:30 PM

Crewmannumber6: DittoToo: Assuming that a total ban of firearms in the US would come in phases, i.e. first they came for the AR-15 but I said nothing because I did not have an AR-15, the .22 revolver would be one of the last to go.

Something just like this happened in my highschool twenty years ago except that kid used a knife. Cut the girls head off...

Last week there was an escaped prisoner loose in my neighborhood (nowhere near a prison) so I got my shotgun out of my gun safe. My kids didn't even know I had a gun safe. I explained to them when someone is where they're not supposed to be, the sound of a shotgun racking is the last thing they want to hear.

/you can't have my shotgun


This reminds me of my father in law. His retirement plan is to spend winters sailing around the Caribbean, and he bought a new 12-gauge to keep for personal defense. He said that while it takes up more space than a pistol, the sound of the racking is a warning that can be understood by everyone in the world no matter what language they speak.

/Glad he likes me
 
2012-10-09 02:58:03 PM
Approves
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-09 02:58:38 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Evil Twin Skippy: Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...

To be fair, the .554 5.54 5.56 is the same diameter but with a hell of a lot more velocity. It sounds like this kid was shooting what I would be firing off in the backyard at paper targets.

FTFY


Is there a fark gun caliber meme I'm missing?
 
2012-10-09 03:02:57 PM

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH!!!

/Pair-o-Dice is getting angry!!
 
2012-10-09 03:04:08 PM
kerinapharr.files.wordpress.com


Dad will be waiting for him, in the snow, on the other side.

 
2012-10-09 03:04:28 PM
Ugh...another hidden Blaze article.
 
2012-10-09 03:05:46 PM

SchlingFocker: For the record, gated communities are very common in Texas.


Yeah, I know...
But I live in a part of east houston that has gates on all the doors and windows rather than around the subdivisions.
 
2012-10-09 03:07:37 PM

rcuhljr: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Evil Twin Skippy: Sandsnake: Evil Twin Skippy: Death by a .22?

Jesus... why not stab them with a spoon.

Ah yes, those terrible, non-lethal .22's....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x114] 

/hot like a muzzle
//kid is seriously broken. You have to HOPE there's a story there, otherwise...

To be fair, the .554 5.54 5.56 is the same diameter but with a hell of a lot more velocity. It sounds like this kid was shooting what I would be firing off in the backyard at paper targets.

FTFY

Is there a fark gun caliber meme I'm missing?


d'oh. I wish I could claim I meant to rotsky that, but it was an honest mistake.

/Although if you want to start a gun caliber meme, I fully support it
 
2012-10-09 03:08:21 PM

BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.


You have to figure that in the time between him killing and the police getting there you want to keep him as calm as possible and in one place. The kid just shot his family to death with no apparent motive. It might be a bit hasty to be anything but extremely polite until he's in custody. There's no telling if he might suddenly decide to pick the gun back up and take a stroll to the neighbors house or something.
 
2012-10-09 03:09:00 PM

Great Janitor: Try him as an adult, give him death.

There is a story below about how Sandusky was sentenced today for raping a bunch of little boys. This kid ended the lives of his sister and mother in cold blood, convict him as an adult and execute him.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-09 03:09:04 PM

ProfessorOhki: The Miranda rules are in place for when the cops would have nothing on you except for your own testimony. (Thus why the fifth amendment applies.) In this case, the accused was not speaking to a police officer, he was talking to a 911 dispatcher. And her testimony is still perfectly admissible because it can hardly be said she coerced him into confessing after HE called HER.

IANAL either, but I think it's done whenever someone's taken into custody. Doesn't have to be during interrogation specifically. Now, there's still the whole 'excited utterance' type thing. If you're shouting, "I killed them all," at the top of your lungs with the police arrive, you don't get to have it thrown out.

Think about it for a sec. If it was the way JohnCarter thinks, it would be hard to convict someone who turned themselves in. Walk into station, confess to crime, go "ahaha, didn't Mirandize me first" - doesn't work that way.


a miranda warning is required before a custodial interrogation. they must have you in custody and there must be an interrogation.

custody is difficult to define, but think of it this way, you feel like you can't leave the officers presence. interrogation is also difficult to define, but basically, are they seeking testimony?

so, say you're in the cop car, and no one is talking. obviously, you are in custody, but there's no interrogation. then you say, "man, i killed her. that girl really needed a killing."

probably admissible. but, then the cops should stop you and say, "whoa, here's you miranda rights," and then let you keep talking. this is the hear it first, mirandize after method. they should miranize before asking any questions, since they would then be seeking testimony.

compare with...

you're in the cop car, and the cop says, "well, I really hope we could find that gun... there's a school around here, and if some little girl finds that gun and kills herself, boy, that would be a shame..." Then you say, "There's the gun! save that little girl!"

although it wasn't a traditional interrogation, the cops were seeking testimonial evidence (the location of the murder weapon), so it should have required a miranda warning. without the warning, this should be inadmissible, as would the location of the gun (which would likely boot the gun out of evidence entirely, unless they would have found it regardless).
 
2012-10-09 03:10:56 PM

JohnCarter: Was his confession on 911 a brilliant ploy to get his case tossed on a technicality?


From what I've been told, Miranda happens when you get arrested. The cops can question you for hours and as long as you haven't been arrested, the cops don't have to tell you anything about your rights and everything you say is 100% admissible.
 
2012-10-09 03:11:12 PM

Cythraul: 99.998er: Wow...I am usually all for humor and stuff on Fark. I listened to the entire 25 minute call. I am so sad for everybody involved, and yes I am sad for Jake, too. That kid was so polite and nice on the phone it made me wonder what snapped in his brain. For all of the bloodlust people here who probably did not listen to audio, you should. You might just find that tiny fiber of compassion that most people are born with. His entire family is either dead or destroyed. Something horrible went on with this poor kid. I am not religious by any means, but even I said a little prayer for him. God I hope he finds the help he needs.

I have compassion for his family, of course. But why would I have compassion for him? He's a sociopath. He wouldn't even care if you have compassion for him.


I wouldn't say you should have compassion for him because no matter what he made a horrible choice and did a horrible thing. However, you might want to consider that there might be more going on than just a random kid deciding to shoot his mother and sister. For all you know his dad has been raping him and his sisters their entire lives, and his goal was to kill his mom for allowing it to go on and end his sisters suffering at his fathers hand. Or something else similarly horrible may have been going on. The point being to reserve final judgement in your mind until you have more information.
 
2012-10-09 03:11:16 PM

youmightberight: This is why you keep the death penalty. Because Jake is broken, he is beyond fixing.


You're angry, so someone must die. But it's Jake that's the unfixable sociopath. Good to know.
 
2012-10-09 03:11:40 PM

Eirik: BeatrixK: The 911 operator was awfully warm and fuzzy, given that the little shiat just murdered 20% of his family.

Listening to it now, but I think part of her job is to keep things calm. She doesn't know exactly what happened, if the kid is a prankster or serious or thinking about gunning down the officers that are coming in. She gains nothing by starting to call him every name in the book, even if she's thinking it. Also, by talking calmly and asking questions, she got his confession and explanation on tape rather than rile him up and get him all shooty again.


Very true: Just was surreal hearing him vocally flatline about murdering his mom and sister, and then the 911 operator calling him sweetie - but yeah - if you can make sure the cops can cuff him before anyone else gets hurt, that's what's gotta happen.
 
2012-10-09 03:12:19 PM

Cythraul: All kinds of crazy going on with this kid.


This.

Also, a .22? Christ man, shoulda used a way bigger gun.
 
2012-10-09 03:13:06 PM

author1701: blatz514: Straight to doom: Damnit. Why can't my state act mature for once.

If it wasn't for Texas, Arizona, and Florida, Fark wouldn't exist.

FTFM

/Arizonan
//I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.


I'm not really why I thought of this, but I'm gonna post it anyway.

"So, you boys are from Arkansas, huh? Well, I've been through there. Little Rock's a fine town."

/I have friends that live by Luke AFB. Glendale is alright.
 
2012-10-09 03:16:13 PM

blatz514: The teen also admitted that "this is really going to mess me up in the future."

In the future?????


Welcome to the future!
 
2012-10-09 03:17:15 PM

Yaxe: Cythraul: All kinds of crazy going on with this kid.

This.

Also, a .22? Christ man, shoulda used a way bigger gun.


What does Christ man need with a gun?
 
2012-10-09 03:19:31 PM

Mark Ratner: Should have used a bigger gun, you psycho nutjob.


Not needed. A .22 behind the ear and anlged up is how the mob does it (so I hear). Something about the bullet not having enough punch to exit so it just bounces around in the head.
 
2012-10-09 03:20:27 PM
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