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(BBC)   Drones can now refuel themselves. So why do they need humans?   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 55
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2012-10-09 08:59:28 AM
Orderly disposal of bodies?

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-09 09:02:04 AM
A drone I'd like to refuel

www.sherylfranklin.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 09:15:51 AM
They need us to reproduce. We need to invent a bio mechanical drone that can reproduce like a digger wasp.

www.myexistenz.com
 
2012-10-09 10:35:23 AM
Besides the solar drones, of course.
 
2012-10-09 12:31:54 PM
FTA The final analysis, however, indicated that 60% of the attempts would achieve contact,

So our drones are fueled with run off Sex Panther then?
 
2012-10-09 12:32:18 PM
We can scrath that spot behind their ears that they juuuuuuuuuust can't reach?
 
2012-10-09 12:32:54 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: We can scratch that spot behind their ears that they juuuuuuuuuust can't reach?


FTFM
 
2012-10-09 12:33:27 PM
Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.
 
2012-10-09 12:33:36 PM

lokis_mentor: FTA The final analysis, however, indicated that 60% of the attempts would achieve contact,

So our drones are fueled with run off Sex Panther then?


FTFM
 
2012-10-09 12:34:58 PM

Mugato: A drone I'd like to refuel

[www.sherylfranklin.com image 200x293]


You think THAT'S the fuel they run on?

My concept of how the Borg work has been...disrupted.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:53 PM

vpb: They need us to reproduce. We need to invent a bio mechanical drone that can reproduce like a digger wasp.

[www.myexistenz.com image 400x313]


No. No we do not.
 
2012-10-09 12:37:13 PM
Bet they still can't hookup with the Top Gun refueler.

/or land on that damned aircraft carrier.
 
2012-10-09 12:37:29 PM
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
 
2012-10-09 12:43:15 PM
I don't know, maybe reloading, general maintenance, giving them a mission. You don't want robots doing that last part.
 
2012-10-09 12:43:22 PM
I'm not worried until they get clown faces and start playing AC/DC music.
 
2012-10-09 12:54:05 PM
imageshack.us
Insert nozzle.
 
2012-10-09 12:55:32 PM

StrangeQ: Bet they still can't hookup with the Top Gun refueler.

/or land on that damned aircraft carrier.


Obama uses the power glove.
 
2012-10-09 01:01:16 PM
Humans, in parallel, would make a rockin' mainframe. Also, humans will always have a place teaching love to aliens, robots, and godlike entities.

/Matrix
//Batteries my ass
 
2012-10-09 01:02:29 PM
I won't worry until they start listening to Incubus.
 
2012-10-09 01:02:32 PM
Oh yeah! Let's see them find and make the fuel.
 
2012-10-09 01:07:57 PM
Without humans how will they know which civilians to murder?
 
2012-10-09 01:11:59 PM
During earlier tests this had only been possible with a pilot on board.

Really, really tiny pilots?
 
2012-10-09 01:12:27 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Oh yeah! Let's see them find and make the fuel.


Don't you get it? WE ARE ALL THE FUEL THEY WILL EVER NEED!!!
 
2012-10-09 01:14:31 PM
If you have two drones in the same area and one has fuel and the other doesn't why not just use the one that has the fuel? This makes no sense unless they have plans for a special refueling drone that can hold way more fuel.
 
2012-10-09 01:15:16 PM
Your job is to build and maintain those machines.
dawnofthedad2010.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-09 01:16:07 PM

Cymbal: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oh yeah! Let's see them find and make the fuel.

Don't you get it? WE ARE ALL THE FUEL THEY WILL EVER NEED!!!


bring it!
 
2012-10-09 01:19:17 PM

Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.


This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.
 
2012-10-09 01:23:11 PM
"Two unmanned drones were able to fly close enough together for an automated refuel to take place" != "Drones can now refuel themselves".

I mean, gratz and all on being able to fly two drones somewhat close to each other, but whoop de farking do.
 
2012-10-09 01:27:05 PM

vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.


Don't you get it? A SELF-PRESERVATION CHIP IS ALL THE DRONES NEED TO ENSLAVE US AND TURN OUR BODIES INTO A RELIABLE AND EFFICIENT ENERGY SOURCE!!!
 
2012-10-09 02:06:58 PM

vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-09 02:09:26 PM
Since most military aircraft are fly by wire, wouldn't this mean that high altitude automated refueling is now possible for all jets?

/and wouldn't this be relevant technology on the eve of them finally buying replacements for their half century old tanker fleet?
 
2012-10-09 02:22:03 PM
So Apple fanboys and Fandroids are not human?
 
2012-10-09 02:52:08 PM

StrangeQ: Bet they still can't hookup with the Top Gun refueler.

/or land on that damned aircraft carrier.


The Predator is designed to remain aloft for 24 hours at a time, and they have a stall speed of 62 mph, so I'm not sure either would actually be that big of a problem.
 
2012-10-09 02:52:18 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: So Apple fanboys and Fandroids are not human?


Just the Fandroids. They have no soul, just like all the Google products they use.
 
2012-10-09 02:53:59 PM
Great. Keep an eye on the Jigabachis.
 
2012-10-09 02:59:51 PM

vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.


This. I'm continually frustrated by the notion that artificial intelligence is somehow supposed to spontaneously combust as consciousness. I mean, that's the point of artifiicial intelligence, that it can be intelligent without all that consciousness baggage.
 
2012-10-09 03:09:06 PM

Arkanaut: StrangeQ: Bet they still can't hookup with the Top Gun refueler.

/or land on that damned aircraft carrier.

The Predator is designed to remain aloft for 24 hours at a time, and they have a stall speed of 62 mph, so I'm not sure either would actually be that big of a problem.


Exactly. The slower an airplane's approach speed the easier it is to land on a carrier, so for a Predator it should be a snap. In fact, I'd be surprised if it hasn't already been done. That said I have former C-5 squadron mates who fly drones for the AF, who tell me that the birds come and go with one enroute stop between CONUS and SWATO. Being able to eliminate that stop by using IFR would be a huge plus.
 
2012-10-09 03:14:07 PM

So why do they need humans?

www.cyberpunkreview.com
Batteries.


/It's cool, Coppertop.
 
2012-10-09 03:24:23 PM

way south: Since most military aircraft are fly by wire, wouldn't this mean that high altitude automated refueling is now possible for all jets?

It's already happened with probe/drogue.

way south: /and wouldn't this be relevant technology on the eve of them finally buying replacements for their half century old tanker fleet?

Yes and no. The replacements address the airframes' age, the capacity to refuel by wire is a completely separate issue (but is still relevant).

 
2012-10-09 03:42:23 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.

[t1.gstatic.com image 323x156]


Is that a MARK V?

My big box is coming from SJG in November.
 
2012-10-09 03:44:10 PM
why do they need humans?

Targets, silly.
 
2012-10-09 04:08:32 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.

[t1.gstatic.com image 323x156]


is that an ogre or a bolo?
 
2012-10-09 04:11:07 PM

Elfich: Is that a MARK V?My big box is coming from SJG in November.


must not order everything they make, wife would disapprove
 
2012-10-09 04:19:48 PM

Elfich: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.

[t1.gstatic.com image 323x156]

Is that a MARK V?

My big box is coming from SJG in November.


Supposedly a XXV.
 
2012-10-09 04:27:24 PM

Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.


ya, hello skynet. we are playing with fire.
 
2012-10-09 04:43:48 PM
"So why do they need humans?"

For breeding.
 
2012-10-09 04:45:13 PM
Remember, all the drones are to be built in metric or hex-cap, but the bolts on the maintenance bots are to be imperial or Torx. Maintenance bots are not to be equipped in imperial or Torx.
 
2012-10-09 05:27:03 PM
Obligatory:

Mirage: The Omnidroid 9000 is a top-secret military fighting robot. Artificial intelligence allows it to solve any problem it's presented with, and, unfortunately...
Mr. Incredible: Let me guess. It became smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders.
 
2012-10-09 05:56:17 PM

TheSilverKey: Humans, in parallel, would make a rockin' mainframe. Also, humans will always have a place teaching love to aliens, robots, and godlike entities.

/Matrix
//Batteries my ass


That was the original concept but the suits thought it was too "high brow", hence the battery thing.
 
2012-10-09 06:37:37 PM

TheSilverKey: teaching love to aliens, robots, and godlike entities.


...go on...
 
2012-10-09 07:10:35 PM

Weigard: Without humans how will they know which civilians to murder?


All of human kind? After all, machines are not biased or prejudiced.

BTW, without humans, there would be no civilians left to murder. 

/MDK
 
2012-10-09 07:52:47 PM

Nurglitch: vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.

This. I'm continually frustrated by the notion that artificial intelligence is somehow supposed to spontaneously combust as consciousness. I mean, that's the point of artifiicial intelligence, that it can be intelligent without all that consciousness baggage.


Presumably some Prometheus of AIs could "teach" "non-awakened" AIs to kill humans for any number of logical reasons.However, I think the scenario that would actually play out 99.99999999% of the time will be an AI error on the level of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, that the machines would kill us all trying to help us.
 
2012-10-09 08:55:38 PM

Fano: Nurglitch: vartian: Hack Patooey: Next up, reloading themselves. Then, they start getting cranky, and killing everyone, not just the 'bad' guys. I've seen this movie before.

This is the part every bad sci-fi writer farks up. A drone dosen't need to think about why it is a drone, or if its human creators / parents / Gods are worthy of their creation. It needs to be able to find / observe / kill its target. And it dosen't even need to do that, it is simply programmed to do so. It is a drone and it dosen't give a shiat about its place in the universe.

I am not saying that someone, at some point, won't try and create artificial intelligence equal or superior to that of humans. But it won't evolve from someone overengineering a vacuum cleaner.

This. I'm continually frustrated by the notion that artificial intelligence is somehow supposed to spontaneously combust as consciousness. I mean, that's the point of artifiicial intelligence, that it can be intelligent without all that consciousness baggage.

Presumably some Prometheus of AIs could "teach" "non-awakened" AIs to kill humans for any number of logical reasons.However, I think the scenario that would actually play out 99.99999999% of the time will be an AI error on the level of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, that the machines would kill us all trying to help us.


This is quite plausible.
Out of all the software and machinery I've handled, none of it ever gave a damn what it was really doing. Being "wrong" is something it takes a human to identify.

While we may never be able to prove if a machine is aware of its actions or just programmed to fabricate a convincing lie, it's far more certain that an AI could kill us all by accident.
It wouldn't know or care that its making a mistake. It's just doing math to reach a conclusion.
 
2012-10-10 12:39:47 AM

Makh: Besides the solar drones, of course.


Do any solar drones carry munitions?
 
2012-10-10 02:03:43 AM
My theory is that we are their parents and that the easiest emotion and motivation to program into an AI will be filial love and duty.

/Won't stop some of them from going all Romero brothers on us, though.
 
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