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(The New York Times)   Doctor in Georgia prescribes Adderall to kids suffering from: A) Attention Deficit Disorder B) Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder C) Being Poor   (nytimes.com) divider line 60
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2012-10-09 10:26:04 AM
6 votes:
Congratulations, you farking moron.

You've now been outed as abusing a Schedule II narcotic that is already hard as hell to get for legitimate adult ADHD patients, and will now be more so because you decided every little poor snowflake needed it to concentrate.

You should go to jail the same as the hydro script factory docs out there who defraud medicaid to support their patient's drug habits.
2012-10-09 10:32:31 AM
3 votes:
I like that these kids will have to sit through DARE classes learning about how drugs are terrible and will ruin their lives.
2012-10-09 10:29:01 AM
3 votes:
Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.
2012-10-09 12:39:31 PM
2 votes:

shortymac: If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids


Or it could be that kids don't get much in the way of creative outlets these days.
2012-10-09 12:23:31 PM
2 votes:

Ranger677: S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.

Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.


Which is a side effect of Adderall (same page).

As to why he takes adderall "So I can listen to my parents and be a good boy." (paraphrasing, same page)

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOUR KIDS!?!? WHY IS THE DOCTOR LETTING THEM!

Holy shiat, while my parents were FAR FROM not perfect they just smacked me when they were frustrated with me. They did not fark with my brain chemistry and we're willing to put the time in to help me succeed as a person.

Kids are a second full-time job for the rest of your life, if you cannot handle it get a cat and a vasectomy/tubes tied instead.
2012-10-09 11:40:38 AM
2 votes:
The school would be more than adequate if many weren't populated mostly by kids with dysfunctional families with formed out parenting skills. Blaming a lack of funding, the teachers, and crumbling infrastructure is just an efficient way to pretend like you actually give a shiat while ignoring the real problem.
2012-10-09 11:18:35 AM
2 votes:

ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.


All perscription drugs have side effects, using pyschotropics on adolescents is an almost gauranteed way to fark up thier brain chemistry during puberty and set them up for serious long-term chemical imbalances and brain disorders. This doctor is playing god and needs to have his license yanked, yesterday.

I say this as someone who has been informally diagnosed as ADHD all his life (and has two nephews with formal diagnoses) I had bad grades in elementary and HS, and would have ended up in special ed but for the fact that they always give an IQ test to justify that, and mine, in all modesty, usually tested off the scale (I have always had a knack for standardized tests, my PSATs SATs and LSATs were all 99th percentile).

If you have a brain like mine you need to learn how to make it work for you even if the academic world is basically set up in a way deliberately antagonistic to how you learn. Training yourself in coping mechanisms beats the fark out of becoming dependent on drugs. Especially because, while no one talks about ti, having an ADHD brain gives you huge congnitive ADVANTAGES when you learn to use it properly. Your pattern recognition skills, your ability to synthethize information from disparate sources quickly and your ability to "Think on your feet", to say nothing of your creativity, are all much higher than in "normal" kids.
2012-10-09 11:07:37 AM
2 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


They have.
2012-10-09 10:49:48 AM
2 votes:
I'd question these kids' diets as well. Bet you most of his patients are living on high sodium/sugar diets and a lack of fruits and veggies which affect mood and energy levels as well as concentration in children. Wonder how many of these parents he told to go to the produce department at Kroger before jumping to meds. I'm thinking... oh... none?
2012-10-09 10:46:46 AM
2 votes:
That family is crazy. Farking Stepford kids is what they want. This is scary. Why fix the broken system when we can just medicate the victims of it instead.
2012-10-09 10:23:50 AM
2 votes:
While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.
2012-10-10 08:19:52 AM
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: orbister: ParagonComplex: Piece of shiat inaccurate headline since a] and b] are the exact same things now.

Nope. ADD or ADHD-I is a subtype of ADHD, not a synonym for it.

No, they're the same thing. When was your 4000 series college leveled Learning and Behavoral Disorder psychology class? Mine was a couple semesters ago. ADHD is the new name for ADD.


There are three recognised subtypes of ADHD. Of those three, ADHD-(P)I - (Predominantly) Inattentive is what used to be called ADD. It's in DSM-IV. Perhaps you weren't paying attention?
2012-10-09 05:34:16 PM
1 votes:

puppetmaster745: shortymac: puppetmaster745: Let me get this straight, the snowflakes get good grades when the farking pay attention? How is this the school's fault again?

They don't have ANYTHING wrong with them, yet are being given drugs for people with ADD so they can "be a good boy".

There's something very sick and wrong with that line of thinking.

My point is that if adjusting variable A (the kids) solves the problem, the problem wasn't caused by variable B (the school).


Horrible, flawed logic.

Say there's a unstable fellow who camps out a stretch of road and shoots at everyone who drives by. This is well known, so I drive down a different road and, as a result, am not shot. Since I could adjust myself to solve the problem of getting shot.... you're saying the homicidal maniac had nothing to do with the problem?

Just because something is capable of adapting to an environment doesn't suggest the environment was without flaws. People can adapt to some crazy shiat.
2012-10-09 04:54:29 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.


Strangely enough I get weird looks when I filled some of my perscriptions too. Of course I'm taking blood thinners, at one point I had the 45 dollar single use needles of blood thinners for several months. Luckily I have excellent insurance at work, the 1350/month$ bill becomes 2$. Not 2$ per dose, 2$. I do wonder what I would do if I did not have that insurance, I am not taking the meds because my pinkies are swollen, I have blood clots all over my lungs so I would likely die with a major interruption to my supply. I guess I would have to take warfarin and hope for the best.
2012-10-09 04:54:05 PM
1 votes:

orbister: ParagonComplex: Piece of shiat inaccurate headline since a] and b] are the exact same things now.

Nope. ADD or ADHD-I is a subtype of ADHD, not a synonym for it.


Now days they skip the ADD and just use ADHD-I. Gots me one of those. Non-medicated.
2012-10-09 04:51:58 PM
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: Piece of shiat inaccurate headline since a] and b] are the exact same things now.


Nope. ADD or ADHD-I is a subtype of ADHD, not a synonym for it.
2012-10-09 04:04:27 PM
1 votes:

relcec: The school would be more than adequate if many weren't populated mostly by kids with dysfunctional families with formed out parenting skills. Blaming a lack of funding, the teachers, and crumbling infrastructure is just an efficient way to pretend like you actually give a shiat while ignoring the real problem.


THIS
2012-10-09 02:21:20 PM
1 votes:
Killer Cars: "That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere."

THIS. Quite a few times.
2012-10-09 02:17:09 PM
1 votes:
taurusowner: "And I think we're seeing that it's not working."

Based on what? Your squishy feeling about 'dumb' people based on your experiences at fast food registers?
I mean, it's clearly not based on overwhelming objective evidence. Because that consistently shows kids today are smarter than kids in any previous generation.
And that test scores aren't uniformly rising in America almost entirely due to socioeconomic problems (poor, no parental involvement or both) and our habit of sliding up the requirements of those tests as children become smarter.

The only thing demonstrably not working, are the critical thinking and science classes that clearly didn't impart good mental habits on former students.
Because we keep seeing citizens gravitate toward policy positions and world views prior to assembling any evidence and then remaining there in stubborn opposition to evidence.
2012-10-09 01:45:22 PM
1 votes:
Every once in a while, Fark makes me re-think stuff. Sitting here, reading this mess and re-reading what I wrote...it just hit me how truly gawd-awful I feel about this. It's really affecting everything. My poor family...last night I actually started hollering that it's not my job to tell people whether or not the graham crackers need to be put in a ziplock bag and please stop making me think for youuuuu..."

It's helpful I work in the benefits office...I'm making an appt today with a psychologist I just found that actually happens to treat kids and adults.

Thanks, all. :)
2012-10-09 01:44:56 PM
1 votes:
I am curious to see what the brain cancer rate will be one day for all of these kids who took speed and Prozac during their developmental years....
I'd say "Serves em right," but in the case of the kids, what happens won't REALLY be their fault.
2012-10-09 01:35:53 PM
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: Killer Cars: That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.

Yeah, that one is quite the eye opener. Though, I've got to give a runner up to "People who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them." That one kind of drives home that the kid as a human's been remove from the equation. At that point, they're just a score that we're trying to optimize.


That is jacked the hell up. I am (and always was) an "overachiever". I would (and still do, to a degree) kill myself to turn out perfection. I was the kid getting straight As, but shoving a towel under my door so my parents didn't see the light on because I was up re-doing assignments unil 4 am because I was so afraid of "slacking". My natural inclination is to do the work, think it looks alright and go do something else as quickly as possible, however...my dad would beat the crap out of me for a misplaced comma. I would have killed to have a way to function without the stress of forgotten details. Still would. Too bad I have one more thing to stress about...having my doctor believe that this isn't healthy.
2012-10-09 01:30:38 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.

All perscription drugs have side effects, using pyschotropics on adolescents is an almost gauranteed way to fark up thier brain chemistry during puberty and set them up for serious long-term chemical imbalances and brain disorders. This doctor is playing god and needs to have his license yanked, yesterday.

I say this as someone who has been informally diagnosed as ADHD all his life (and has two nephews with formal diagnoses) I had bad grades in elementary and HS, and would have ended up in special ed but for the fact that they always give an IQ test to justify that, and mine, in all modesty, usually tested off the scale (I have always had a knack for standardized tests, my PSATs SATs and LSATs were all 99th percentile).

If you have a brain like mine you need to learn how to make it work for you even if the academic world is basically set up in a way deliberately antagonistic to how you learn. Training yourself in coping mechanisms beats the fark out of becoming dependent on drugs. Especially because, while no one talks about ti, having an ADHD brain gives you huge congnitive ADVANTAGES when you learn to use it properly. Your pattern recognition skills, your ability to synthethize information from disparate sources quickly and your ability to "Think on your feet", to say nothing of your creativity, are all much higher than in "normal" kids.


My husband, who has it, has theorized that I have it as well. (All of my good friends do.)

I had good grades in school and worked hard so I joked that "I made it my biatch."

/fark yeah.
//no idea if I actually do or not.
2012-10-09 01:26:58 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.

Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.

Even better was, after I returned from China, my doctor was in another state and I could only bring 2 months worth of Vyvanse with me to China. Chinese doctors do not believe in nor do they prescribe anything for ADHD so I had to do without. Whatever, cost of living overseas.

I had a doctor here in Georgia flat out refuse to give me the medication because "You seem to have functioned fine without it for the past 8 months." Uh, no farkstick. I got everything done at the last freaking minute, my girlfriend had to literally FORCE me to go to teach some days and my apartment was an absolute dump of papers and beer bottles. I was still very much suffering from it even after exercising and meditating everyday. Its a miracle I didn't fark up enough to get fired. I have never had this much scrutiny over medication. Apparently ...


I know what you mean, brother. I was uninsured for almost 2 years and went into pretty much a cycle of farkery that when I got the position I have now (with benefits), I am still so stuck in the cycle of lastminuteomgstrrrrressssss that I ended up having a farking crying jag in my office not long ago after an insanely busy Fall semester finally wrapped (work at a uni). My doctor won't give me more than 15mg a day of Adderal, and that barely gets me out of bed. He gives my BF (we have the same doc) 60 mgs, as well as Lexapro (he just repeated what I told him, and he fills the scrip and turns them over to me) with barely a blink. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, but I shouldn't have to practice what I'm going to say when I go in so there's nothing he can misconstrue as me "sounding like a junkie". farker.
2012-10-09 01:22:12 PM
1 votes:

taurusowner: now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


That is one of the funniest sentences I've read in a long time.

As for TFA, that doc is doing what every other doc does when parents come in and describe a 10 year old acting like a 10 year old.

Say they're ADD and give'em meds.

/I'm shocked this surprises anyone
2012-10-09 01:02:50 PM
1 votes:

Killer Cars: That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.


Yeah, that one is quite the eye opener. Though, I've got to give a runner up to "People who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them." That one kind of drives home that the kid as a human's been remove from the equation. At that point, they're just a score that we're trying to optimize.
2012-10-09 12:54:55 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: shortymac: If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids

Or it could be that kids don't get much in the way of creative outlets these days.


That as well, I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't recommend this to the parent(s) but instead go directly to subscribing needless drugs (If the kids doesn't have ADD, don't give him ADD drugs!"
2012-10-09 12:32:00 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: shortymac: Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs?

Because there's nothing wrong with most of the kids.


If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids. The cheaper brands tend to be mostly favoring and corn syrup but many people don't realize that. Don't get me started on "kid food" and school lunches, which again is full of corn syrup, dyes, etc.

Couple that with lack of exercise you have a kid bouncing off the walls.

Kids with allergies to strawberries can exhibit hyperactive behavior as well. Also plopping the kid in front of the TV and watching cartoon can overstimulate them. My friends had to stop watching Xena and Hercules in front of their 3 year old because she would imitate the show and roughhouse way too much.
2012-10-09 12:24:08 PM
1 votes:

shortymac: Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs?


Because there's nothing wrong with most of the kids.
2012-10-09 12:08:16 PM
1 votes:
Dear Doctor,

Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs? WTF?

You are making everyone who legitimately has ADD look bad.

Drugs are one part of the solution for ADD, they will still need to watch their diets and learn study and organization skills that will help them with their unique issues.

/Hubby has ADD
//Pretty sure my Dad and Brother have it too
2012-10-09 12:07:08 PM
1 votes:

Ranger677: S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.

Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.


Of course, it is probably due to the Adderall, but they do not want him to stop taking that.
2012-10-09 12:01:04 PM
1 votes:

S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.


Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.
2012-10-09 12:00:00 PM
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: Zarquon's Flat Tire: tricycleracer: Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?

$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).

So let's assume $15 per to customers, and a daily dose being two pills. For a 30 day supply that's $1800 a month. Do that for a few years, use the money to pay for trade school *BAM* the doctored cured his poorness.

STREET PRICES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

A street price is what you'd pay without a prescription, which drives up the cost in a big way. The pharm I go to does 30 day supplies of Adderall for $62. Not $1800.


You can't buy without a script, so pharmacy costs only enter as an investment cost.

So you pay 62 for your scrip, flip it for 10-15 per pill, it adds up. I don't mean somehow take the money that would have gone to the meds and keep it. I'm saying that kid becomes a dealer.
2012-10-09 11:56:38 AM
1 votes:

MemeSlave: This kid has every problem BUT ADHD.


What you listed aren't problems.
2012-10-09 11:30:51 AM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Does Adderall cure poor?


Sell your prescription to pay for trade school and yes.
2012-10-09 11:28:10 AM
1 votes:

Chucklz: The real issue is the DEA quota system
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/03/adderall-drug-shortage- w ill-continue-in-2012-government-officials-say/


Yes... I am aware.. I have posted about it many times.
2012-10-09 11:21:21 AM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.

Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.


Even better was, after I returned from China, my doctor was in another state and I could only bring 2 months worth of Vyvanse with me to China. Chinese doctors do not believe in nor do they prescribe anything for ADHD so I had to do without. Whatever, cost of living overseas.

I had a doctor here in Georgia flat out refuse to give me the medication because "You seem to have functioned fine without it for the past 8 months." Uh, no farkstick. I got everything done at the last freaking minute, my girlfriend had to literally FORCE me to go to teach some days and my apartment was an absolute dump of papers and beer bottles. I was still very much suffering from it even after exercising and meditating everyday. Its a miracle I didn't fark up enough to get fired. I have never had this much scrutiny over medication. Apparently I am "suspicious" because I was diagnosed at 22 and go stretches without my medication. It is as you mentioned though, 50 bucks for the pills and 20-40 for the doctors visit (because the doctor HAS to see you every month to make sure you're not a tweaked out addict amirite?).

Don't even get me started on asking for an increase of dosage.
2012-10-09 11:19:00 AM
1 votes:
Wow. I cannot use cannabis to control my arthritis, bad knees, bad ankles, very bad back, manic depression, AAD (adjustment anxiety disorder, and it is bad... very bad), and general disgust with life. It is illegal. The reason it is illegal is listed above, since cannabis does a decent job of helping me control ALL of the above problems. ONE substance. (A substance that pretty much anyone can cultivate and grow for themselves without the middle man, ie: BigPharma). We cannot have that! I am supposed to make several CEOs of drug companies richer while barely being able to survive just so I can go out and be a 'productive member of society'. Which translates into 'go out and make some money so you can give it to us'. Yet, these kids get drugs just for not doing well in class???????

And some wonder why America is seen as completely nuts by the rest of the civilized world
2012-10-09 11:15:58 AM
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.


The real issue is the DEA quota system
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/03/adderall-drug-shortage- w ill-continue-in-2012-government-officials-say/

Basically, the branded company gobbles up quota for not only the branded product but their own generic. Then, they make as much branded as possible, so there is very little quota left for generics. Then you end up paying high prices for the brand because the generic firms don't have enough quota to buy/use the API.
2012-10-09 11:12:22 AM
1 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.


Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.
2012-10-09 11:03:38 AM
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

wat?

Christ.... I am paying $200-$250 a month for my dexedrine... generic.


Check your local Costco pharmacy if you have one. No membership required. If you do have a membership, they have a discount program for people without insurance.
2012-10-09 11:03:08 AM
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


Yes.
2012-10-09 10:59:30 AM
1 votes:

taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


And this is the issue of our age. Do we help those who don't have valuable skills and possibly find something for them to do of value, or do we ignore them and hope they go away.

//BTW are we the Morlocks or Eloi, I haven't figured that one out yet.
2012-10-09 10:55:44 AM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).


I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.
2012-10-09 10:55:16 AM
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That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.
2012-10-09 10:50:38 AM
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BronyMedic: Congratulations, you farking moron.

You've now been outed as abusing a Schedule II narcotic that is already hard as hell to get for legitimate adult ADHD patients, and will now be more so because you decided every little poor snowflake needed it to concentrate.

You should go to jail the same as the hydro script factory docs out there who defraud medicaid to support their patient's drug habits.


He outed himself and should lose his license to 'practice medicine'.Medicare should get up his ass for fraud as well.
I wonder if he gets kickbacks from the drug company?
2012-10-09 10:50:31 AM
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Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).


wat?

Christ.... I am paying $200-$250 a month for my dexedrine... generic.
2012-10-09 10:43:43 AM
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Although A.D.H.D is the diagnosis Dr. Anderson makes, he calls the disorder "made up" and "an excuse" to prescribe the pills to treat what he considers the children's true ill - poor academic performance in inadequate schools.

I wonder where this guy got his license.
2012-10-09 10:43:18 AM
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That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.
2012-10-09 10:37:19 AM
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Personally, I'd love to be back on ADD meds like when I was in high school. I got so much done, it was fantastic. Too bad it basically shut down my personality, though killing my sex drive wasn't a problem in high school.

//Didn't get laid till I was 23.
2012-10-09 10:34:21 AM
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Kid in the pic FTA looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.

/Good thing pot's still illegal
2012-10-09 10:32:21 AM
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And he calls the disorder "made up" which I find interesting having been diagnosed 4 years ago at age 38. So I guess this means I am lazy/stupid/crazy/just an asshole. Thanks doc.
2012-10-09 10:29:29 AM
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The problem is lack of parenting. And it's getting worse, not better.
2012-10-09 10:28:48 AM
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CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


Yes, we have.

Poor state or not, red state or not, education is horribly underfunded. Teachers cannot possibly do the 3000 jobs we ask of them with the necessary focus on individual needs that we've also assigned.
2012-10-09 10:28:39 AM
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cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC


I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.
2012-10-09 10:26:59 AM
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This asshole's license should be yanked and fast. He has just given the state board of medical examiners sufficient cause to do so. This is just unbelievable.
2012-10-09 10:25:17 AM
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Dr. Anderson is one of the more outspoken proponents of an idea that is gaining interest among some physicians. They are prescribing stimulants to struggling students in schools starved of extra money - not to treat A.D.H.D., necessarily, but to boost their academic performance.

Wow, that idea is gaining interest...
2012-10-09 10:24:44 AM
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"We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?
2012-10-09 10:23:37 AM
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2012-10-09 09:31:48 AM
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I was expecting worse from poor+drugs. Up here we had a couple who saw children as a way to get disability benefits and free drugs. One of their children was too normal, but they eventually managed to find a doctor to diagnose her and put her on medication. They drugged her to death, apparently for acting like a normal child and distracting them from non-parenting activities. Judging by contemporary media reports the family was an extreme case of a common problem.
 
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